User talk:Moxfyre

artist credit for one of your photos

Hi, I'm planning to use one of your public domain photos in a commercial product I'm releasing later this year, and am contacting you to find out if you'd like to be credited by name. Could you contact me at Freeman@PearlCards.com? Thanks.

Re: File:Polish vowel chart.svg

Hey, hey! Not exactly, look at the source code of my SVG, there's no linking to any png whatsoever. Hołek ҉ 08:37, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

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File:AliasingSines.svg

Thanks for uploading this image. Since it's based on en:File:Aliasing-plot.png, a GFDL image, it can only be released under the GFDL, and the disclaimers on it must be preserved. I have removed the CC-BY-SA tag accordingly. Stifle (talk) 11:22, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. I was unsure whether it would be a derived work of the PNG version... since I didn't actually *use* the PNG at all in creating it. I just looked at the PNG and then made a similar-looking graph. Does that still count? Moxfyre (talk) 13:37, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Probably; same way as if you looked at a Disney movie and made a drawing of Mickey Mouse. Stifle (talk) 18:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

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Hello, Moxfyre!

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

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Vowel charts

Hello! Could you tell me how exactly do you make these vowel charts? Is there a tutorial somewhere? Also, how come you use Bitstream Vera – I think in its original form it doesn't have the IPA signs? Can the font you're using be DejaVu actually? How do I send you an image of Danish vowels so that you can make a chart for them?

Hi, I start with the template/example vowel chart which I made: File:IPA_vowel_trapezium.svg. Then I edit that with Inkscape, and copy the symbols around as needed, and edit the text. Good catch on the font... it is actually DejaVu Sans, not Bitstream Sans. And yes, it'd be great to make a chart of Danish vowels as well. Do you have an article/book reference for the source? Moxfyre (talk) 00:40, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Hello! Here it is: http://www.cphling.dk/~ng/papers/take_danish_2003.pdf , on the first page. Symbols you'll need: ɛ, œ, œ̞, ø, æ, ɶ, ɒ, ʌ, ɔ, ɑ.

File:Processor families in TOP500 supercomputers.svg

Would you be willing to generate a new image? The current one is two years out of date now. Foxyshadis^talk 04:32, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Catalan-Valencian-Balearic Vowel charts

Inaccurate Catalan vowel chart

Hi Moxfyre, sorry for intruding on your talk page. I just wanted to ask you whether you could help me to make some V charts for the main standards of Catalan. We could also fix the current Catalan chart, as it looks a bit inaccurate (it indicates a (stressed) mid central vowel phoneme that exists only in Balearic).

Catalan-Valencian-Balearic, a pluricentric language, can have 3 (even more) vowels diagrams according to phonetic studies done by Daniel Recasens (Fonética descriptiva del català, pp. 59-153, 1991).

Most Catalan dialects have a common (roughly similar) 7-vowel system, except for Balearic (only Majorcan & Minorcan) where an 8th (stressed) vowel phoneme exists. Algherese and Northern Catalan, in turn, have 5 vowels (roughly the same as Castilian, Aragonese and Sardinian); that is, in these dialects close/open-mid V merge into mid realisations.

Phonetic divergences between Central, Valencian and Balearic Catalan:

• /a/ is central [ɐ / ä] in Central Catalan. In Algherese, some Central Catatan dialects and NW Catalan, /a/ is further retracted than in Castilian (and CCa). The same vowel, is slightly fronted/closed in Valencian [ä ~ ɐ], while it is further fronted/open (towards [æ / a]) in Majorcan & Minorcan.
• /e/ and /o/ are slightly lower (a bit towards mid vowels) in Valencian, Majorcan and Minorcan than in Central Catalan.
• /ɛ/ and /ɔ/ are lower (i.e. near-open vowels, [æ] and [ɔ̞ / ɒ], respectively) in Valencian, Majorcan and Minorcan.
• Stressed schwa /ə/ only occurs in Balearic dialects (e.g. Majorcan).

Galician vowel chart

The Galician close-mid /e, o/ and open-mid vowels /ɛ, ɔ/ are pronounced somewhat like in Valencian & Balearic, except than open-mid vowels are slightly lower in Valencian/Balearic (i.e. near open vowels) and close-mid are just a bit higher than in Galician.

How many vowel diagrams could we have?

2 vowel charts (ignoring dialectal phonetic realizations; thus still inaccurate)

Central/Valencian (7 Vs) and Balearic (8 Vs)

3 vowel charts (ignoring minor varieties -Algherese/Northern Catalan-)

Central (7 Vs), Valencian (7 Vs) and Balearic (8 Vs)

4/5/6 vowel charts

Central/Barcelonan (7 Vs), Valencian (7 Vs), Balearic (8 Vs) and Algherese/Northern Catalan (5 Vs)

Perhaps you could help me? :P Best regard. —Jaume87 (talk) 00:53, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jaume87! Yeah, I could definitely fix the Catalan vowel chart and add versions for the different dialects. Do you have any source showing quadrilateral vowel diagrams for the three dialects you mentioned above? If not, I could try to estimate the vowel positions based on the descriptions you gave above. Do those come from the source you cited? (Fonética descriptiva del català) Moxfyre (talk) 15:51, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Hey, I didn't notice you answer back :P Yes, all this info comes from Fonètica descriptiva del català. Yes, it includes several vowel charts, but they are quite inaccurate, so we can't use them.. Nevertheless, the source explains quite well all relevant (phonetic) features of Catalan dialects.

Better summary of Recasen's phonetic descriptions:

• Acoustic data of Central Catalan (CCa) vowels:
  • /i/: F1 250-300 Hz, F2 2000-2300 Hz, F3 2500-3000 Hz.
  • /e/: F1 350-400 Hz, F2 1800-2200 Hz, F3 2500-2800 Hz.
  • /ɛ/: F1 550 Hz, F2 1700-2000 Hz, F3 2400-2700 Hz.
  • /a/: F1 650-900 Hz, F2 1300-1450 Hz, 2350-2600 Hz.
  • [ə] (unstressed V): F1 500 Hz, F2 1400-1500 Hz, F3 2500 Hz. (should schwa go in parentheses in CCa?)
  • /u/: F1 250-350 Hz, F2 600-1000 Hz, F3 2200-2700 Hz.
  • /o/: F1 400-500 Hz, F2 700-1100 Hz, F3 2350-2700 Hz.
  • /ɔ/: F1 600-650 Hz, F2 800-1150 Hz, F3 2300-2700 Hz.

• Vowel shifts:
  • /ɛ/ → [æ] (Valencian, Majorcan). According to source it is further lowered than in CCa.
  • /ɔ/ → [ɔ̞] (i.e. closer to [ɒ]) (Valencian, Majorcan). Further low than in Cca.
  • /e/ → towards [e̞] (Valencian, Majorcan). More open than CCa /e/.
  • /o/ → towards [o̞] (Valencian, Majorcan). More open than CCa /o/.
  • /e, ɛ/ → [e̞] (Northern Catalan, Algherese). According to Recasens, both /ɛ/ and /e/ approach to [e̞] in traditional Algherese, while they merge into [e̞] in Northern, modern Algherese and some Castilian and Catalan (& Aragonese and Catalan) border dialects.
  • /o, ɔ/ → [o̞] (Northern Catalan, Algherese). In traditional Algherese, both /ɔ/ and /o/ approach to [o̞], while they merge into [o̞] in Northern, modern Algherese, and some Castilian and Catalan (& Aragonese and Catalan) border dialects.
  • Unstressed [ə] → [ɐ] (Barcelonan). Further open than in standard CCa.
  • /a/ (phon. [ä ~ ɐ]) →

1) [ä ~ ɑ], is lower and more rectracted than the Castilian /a/ ([ä]) (some Central Catalan Varieties, Lleidan and Algherese)

2) [ä ~ ɐ], higher and more fronted than (1) (Valencian & La Franja Catalan)

3) [a ~ æ], further closed (higher) and fronted than (2) (Majorcan and Minorcan). (It doesn't merge with /ɛ/).

• Dialectal phonemes:
  • /œ/: phon. a mid vowel [ø̞] (Northern Catalan). Only found in loanwords and interferences.
  • /y/ (Northern Catalan). Only found in loanwords and interferences.
• Charts:

	Central (exc. BCN)			Majorcan			Valencian			Northern			Algherese			Barcelonan			NW (exc. Arag)			Notes
Vowel	Front	Central	Back	Front	Central	Back	Front	Central	Back	Front	Central	Back	Front	Central	Back	Front	Central	Back	Front	Central	Back
High	/i/		/u/	/i/		/u/	/i/		/u/	/i/·[y]		/u/	/i/		/u/	/i/		/u/	/i/		/u/
Near-high
High-mid	/e/		/o/	/e/		/o/	/e/		/o/	/E/· [œ]		/O/	/E/		/O/	/e/		/o/	/e/		/o/
Mid		[ə]			/ə/						[ə]						[ə]
Low-mid	/ɛ/		/ɔ/	/ɛ/             /a/		/ɔ/	/ɛ/		/ɔ/							/ɛ/		/ɔ/	/ɛ/		/ɔ/
Near-low		/a/						/a/			/a/			/a/
Low																	/a/			/a/

Notes:

1) Sounds in brackets [ ] are either unstressed vowels (e.g. [ə]) or marginal phonemes (e.g. /y/, /œ/).

Proposals:

• Use the current vowel diagram (File:Catalan_vowel_chart.svg) for standard Central Catalan ([ə] could go in parentheses).
• Make either 2 or more vowel diagrams, for Valencian and Majorcan. I would like 6, but I think it would be too much. 2 are enough, I think :P

Feel free to do this at any time whenever you feel like, there is no rush :)

Many thanks!! Yours, Jaume87 (talk) 19:41, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

BTW, Spanish doesn't have yet a proper vowel digram. Is it possible to convert File:Spanish vowels.png (or File:Spanish Vowel Formants Quilis&Esgueva1983.png) into a quadrilateral v chart? Jaume87 (talk) 19:41, 15 December 2011 (UTC)