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HABS

Hi. Could you explain the thinking behind your category changes of HABS-related images, because I'm not understanding them, and I'd like to do it correctly next time I edit an HABS image. Should the HABS category only go on the actual HABS image, and not on the category for the building? And why did your bot move HABS images in NYC into "Historic buildings in New York City"?

I guess you could say I'm confused, and I'd like to understand what's what. Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:39, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Ditto here. Who is it that prefers a giant, packed category such as "Historic buildings in Knoxville" as opposed to the narrower "Historic American Buildings Survey in Knoxville"? The term "historic building" is meaningless and subjective. Bms4880 (talk) 19:13, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for not finishing this. I got sidetracked. So at the moment we have three things combined:
  • The source of the image (HABS)
  • The topic of the image (historic buildings)
  • The copyright status of the image (PD-USgov)
Here at Commons we generally don't intersect topic categories (historic buildings) with source categories (HABS). I'm currently untangling this.
I'm doing this in preparation of Commons:Batch uploading/HABS.
So you might wonder why these kind of intersections are not useful: People are looking for a photo of a certain topic. The source is not really relevant. Intersecting the topic will the source actually makes it harder to find the images. I expect the tree to become much bigger (probably per county) when the bot really starts to upload a lot of images. Multichill (talk) 19:48, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
You realize people search for HABS photos specifically, right? All this will do is create one big over-populated category. What is a "historic building"? You can argue any building is "historic" and thus belongs in the category. Having been documented by HABS gives it a special status. Bms4880 (talk) 22:05, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
A agree with Bms4880. I think the problem is the perception that HABS is only a "source" category, when, in fact, it is both a source and a topic, given the survey's significance. I don't think that the re-categorization you're doing is all that helpful to the reader searching for HABS material. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:44, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Anyway, we need a category structure that can fit all historic and disappeared items that are not covered by Category:National Register of Historic Places. What status (and permanent) ID gets an item when in HABS, and how many organisations and libraries have similar related parallel classifications and projects ? And please don't forget that the first priority of people is to find a specific item, not where the image is coming from. --Foroa (talk) 10:44, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Bms4880 and Beyond My Ken, HABS is both a source and a topic category. Also, in U.S. building/history image categorization there is a precedent for intersecting topic and principle source categories, such as LOC, library-university Photography Collection, or NARA. Please see Commons:Categories for discussion — Category:Historic buildings in the United_States, a consensus may have been reached. Thank you—Look2See1 (talk) 16:23, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Kategorisierer

Hallo Multichill,

ich kategorisiere mehr schlecht als recht seit langer Zeit und habe zwei Fragen/Vorschläge:

1. Gibt es eine Abfragemöglichkeit, um User, die viele unkategorisierte Dateien hochgeladen haben zu finden; um die Dateien einfacher zu kategorisieren (meistens sind schon einige Dateien kategorisiert); z. B. [1]

2. Kann man auf commons die Gruppe der Kategorisierer einrichten, die sich gegenseitig Hinweise gibt und hilft. Ich verstehe z. B. bis heute nicht den Unterschied zwischen [[Category:| ]], [[Category:|+]] und [[Category:|*]]. Es gibt ja schon die Gruppen Patroller und Rollbacker.


(auch andere commons-aktive werde ich mit den Problemchen belästigen) Hystrix (talk) 14:21, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

William Cummings reunites with daughter

Hello,

I am not a computer person or even remotely know what I am doing, except that this is a picture of my husband and our son. While we have a daughter, the picture is of my husband reuniting with our third child. Since it is my family I just wanted to get the information corrected. Thank you so very much. Have a good day... Deedeecummings (talk) 19:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)DEE DEE 2/1/12

licence changes

Dear Maarten, your Bot changed the licence in a package of my images like this, then lacking the links to the licence legalcode. Please rechange them all into this one. you an reach that through {{subst:User:Martina Nolte/licence}}. Thanks. --Martina talk 14:51, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I didn't change the license, I replaced an awful template with a standard one. A link to legalcode is not required by the license. I'm not going to change anything. You shouldn't be using these horrible hacked up custom license templates. Multichill (talk) 14:56, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
The licence says clearly: Sie müssen dabei stets eine Kopie dieser Lizenz oder deren vollständige Internetadresse in Form des Uniform-Resource-Identifier (URI) beifügen. Could you please reset your changes? It would be a relativly easy bot action for you, but would cost me hours and hours to find out your bot changes. --Martina talk 15:10, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
The URI is "https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/de/" so the {{cc-by-sa-3.0-de}} is in full compliance. Multichill (talk) 16:00, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Please, Maarten, the licence text above doesn't let any room for interpretations. a copy of this licence or its full internet address. A link to the deed is not the full adress of the legalcode. You may like or not like my additional explanations, but I think the licence requirements are not discussable. I do no touch Commons' CC-templates as there is no consensus about changing them, but I think nobody should change correct licencing of my own pictures. --Martina talk 16:50, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
@Multichill, only a link to http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/de/legalcode is compliant with the terms of cc-by-sa-3.0-de. I am aware that our current license templates may not say this, but that doesn't matter. --Túrelio (talk) 16:56, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
This is exactly how Creative Commons implements it. Your interpretation is just wrong. Multichill (talk) 16:58, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Creative Commons gives some recommendations how authors might mark their content. You're free to use these signs for content created by yourself. But legally binding is only the licence itself. You changed licence informations of my work and I ask you to reset these changes, please. --Martina talk 19:11, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Just some evidence for my and Martinas claim:

  • Sie müssen dabei stets eine Kopie dieser Lizenz oder deren vollständige Internetadresse in Form des Uniform-Resource-Identifier (URI) beifügen.(sections 4a and 4b in [2])
  • Diese "Commons Deed" ist lediglich eine vereinfachte Zusammenfassung des rechtsverbindlichen Lizenzvertrages in allgemeinverständlicher Sprache.(header of [3])

Besides of this legal aspect, it's the more important as CC's deed does not correctly represent their own license term "communicate the license terms" (together with the credit), as the deed presents this only as a sort of footnote at the bottom of the deed page saying "Hinweis — Im Falle einer Verbreitung müssen Sie anderen alle Lizenzbedingungen mitteilen, die für dieses Werk gelten. Am einfachsten ist es, an entsprechender Stelle einen Link auf diese Seite einzubinden.", whereas in the binding legalcode this condition is presented even before the "author credit" term. I have contacted CC about this problem already more than a year ago and hope they will correct this in the CC 4 version. --Túrelio (talk) 08:36, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Dear Maarten, you can of course ignore my wish. And we both know that your reputation is much better here then mine so that I can do nothing to push you to do anything. Okay. I fixed my licence informations by hand. Please do not touch my images again. --Martina talk 21:32, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Actually asked my local Creative Commons friends for an explanation and they confirmed what I was saying is true. I'll ask them to leave a response here. Are you aware of Commons:OWN btw? Multichill (talk) 21:50, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I do like how you did the first part of {{User:Martina Nolte/licence}}. I was thinking about making the creative commons icon click through to the full legal code. That way we have the deed, the full legal code and the machine readable url. What would you think of that? Multichill (talk) 22:07, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
OWN is about content, not about licencing self-created content. ;-) Do you mean how I created User:Martina_Nolte/licence? Your idea sounds good. --Martina talk 23:25, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm two weeks off now. --Martina talk 23:22, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

bot adding incorrect categories especially Walton (Walton, Liverpool)

Do not start this again please. I have already questioned this a few months ago about images being put incorrectly in to Liverpool districts, including that of Walton in Surrey which is nothing to do with Walton in Liverpool. PLEASE STOP THIS MADNESS! Babydoll0409 (talk) 19:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

This query returns "Walton on the Hill". Category:Walton on the Hill redirects to Category:Walton, Liverpool and the bot follows that. Deleted the redirect. If you see similar problems check the "what links here" link to see what redirects to the category. Multichill (talk) 20:10, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Noticing your reply, thank you, but i don't understand. Nor should i have to understand. This is related to you please get control and stop peeing people off as i've noticed it is beyond the Liverpool area if i read your pageBabydoll0409 (talk) 21:05, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:PD-Art/sandbox

Is Template:PD-Art/sandbox ready for prime time? There is a request to add an extra parameter which can be passed to template in , allowing merging of templates like {{PD-Art}} and {{PD-old-auto|1900}}. This task would sure be easier with translatewiki messages. --Jarekt (talk) 03:27, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, ok. I'll comment over there. Multichill (talk) 17:42, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Commons:Batch uploading backlog

Is your batch upload bot open sourced? Bulwersator (talk) 10:33, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I have multiple, you can find the sources at https://fisheye.toolserver.org/browse/multichill . Multichill (talk) 19:14, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

You might be interested in Commons:Village pump#HotCat — Remove Template:Check categories

since you deal a lot with categories. -- Great work & thanks -- RE rillke questions? 20:06, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer. I left a note over there. Multichill (talk) 21:06, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

BOT adding incorrect county to Geograph images

Hi, can something be done to change the BOT to stop it adding incorrect county categories. For example this edit added both Category:Buildings in North Yorkshire and Category:Buildings in the East Riding of Yorkshire. Whitby is no where near the county boundary so should not be confused by which county to apply. In the last week I have removed about 400 of these type of double categorisations added by the BOT. Keith D (talk) 14:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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Léna (talk) 23:28, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

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Stefan4 (talk) 01:02, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

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Affected:

And also:

Yours sincerely Stefan4 (talk) 01:09, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Deletions

Hello,

Could please take care of Commons:Deletion requests/File:Female Buttock.jpg? These are duplicate of what you delete today, by a sock. Thanks a lot, Yann (talk) 18:37, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

TRYING TO FIND BETTER CATEGORIES

Can you please stop this daft bot from adding images to district pages of Liverpool as you have been questioned on this before. The specific places are Walton and West Derby. Please note that they do not represent the entire city and nor does Walton have anything to do with Walton in Surrey. This is just a FcUk in joke. Babydoll0409 (talk) 21:02, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

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Acather96 (talk) 14:13, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

translatewiki

FYI, there is a request for documentation of how does Commons localization through translatewiki works. Is there any documentation of that process? --Jarekt (talk) 12:56, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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Sreejith K (talk) 14:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

There is no time to be tired when there are things to do!

Boots in bed.jpg what ???? tired?? bad boy!!!
 ;-) AtelierMonpli (talk) 00:14, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

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Auntof6 (talk) 23:33, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

CH2

Hi Multichill, I think it is bad that you don't look at the answer to one of you post: User_talk:Jan_Luca#CommonsHelper2_again. Jan Luca (talk) 18:28, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

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Danmichaelo (talk) 22:16, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Message about BotMultichillT

Hi Multichill. Your bot stopped working on 17 February and therefore I missed lots of categories etc. Could you please take a look at it? Thanks in advance! Regards, Trijnstel (talk) 15:30, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

You might want to check out the user page here or at the Dutch Wikipedia. Multichill (talk) 17:34, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
My bad... sorry. Didn't see that notice. Thanks for informing me though. Trijnstel (talk) 20:16, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

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ro:Utilizator:Multichill/Unused_Monument_istoric

Hi Multichill. I was wondering if you could improve the bot to create a section for each monument, with the monument id as title. You page could be very useful for choosing the right image for the list, except it is very hard to find pictures lower in the page. Optionally, You can skip the TOC, as I will be linking to your page from another automatically-generated page. Thanks.--Strainu (talk) 10:00, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

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Danmichaelo (talk) 21:12, 29 February 2012 (UTC)