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Autopatrol given[edit]

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Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I have granted autopatrol rights to your account; the reason for this is that I believe you are sufficiently trustworthy and experienced to have your contributions automatically sighted. This will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to help users watching Recent changes or Recent uploads to find unproductive edits amidst the productive ones. Thank you. INeverCry 18:11, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the credit.
The DR of the Verwaltungsgliederung Deutschlands is now closed and the page is still around in the status quo. How does this effect the EE-Pigeon-List (when no gallery)? --PigeonIP (talk) 20:07, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
I just noticed this question now that you've asked it again on my talk. I do rights changes pretty often, so I don't put talk pages on my watchlist after leaving the above message. I wouldn't want you to think I'd ignored the question. I've answered on my talk. INeverCry 09:20, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I thought so. The question wasn't urgent at the time. No damage done. --PigeonIP (talk) 09:53, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Category:Doves in Christianity[edit]

Yes, there's no problem with that. For me it's the same, so do what you think it's better. Regards! Airelle (talk) 18:26, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Re:Category:Brothers and sisters[edit]

Hi, PigeonIP. Done the motion. Regards, Érico Wouters msg 17:33, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. --PigeonIP (talk) 17:34, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome[edit]

I think the 'inscriptions' parameter is cursed. Last week I spent hours trying to fathom why the parameter didn't work on my file, only to discover I'd used 2 'inscriptions' parameters, the second of which was empty… Jastrow (Λέγετε) 20:21, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Deletion requests[edit]

Hello,

You must notify the uploader when nominating an image for deletion. Thanks, Yann (talk) 11:22, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I thougt there is a bot running for it. In future I use
{{subst:copyvionote|Template:Copyvio}}--~~~~
--PigeonIP (talk) 12:46, 27 February 2013 (UTC)


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Hsarrazin (talk) 23:32, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Pigeons und HotCat[edit]

moved [quotation start]

Pigeons und HotCat[edit]

Hallo Roland, machst du deine HotCat Änderungen von Feral Pigeons und Pigeon Breeds wie hier und da bitte wieder rückgängig? Da steckte ein kategorieübergreifendes System dahinter, dass diese Kategorien nur mit einem Leerzeichen in den Kopf der Kategorie versetzt wurden. Danke, --PigeonIP (talk) 08:09, 22 March 2013 (UTC) [quotation end]

Hallo, leider (aufrichtig gemeint) verstehe ich das dahinterliegende System hier wirklich nicht, da ich ja lediglich die "Sortierung" (dh kein 'Leerzeichen') imho 'logischer' und den Commons-üblichen Usus entsprechend für gerade nur diese zwei länderspezifischen Kategorien vorgenommen habe, btw zwei von etwa 500 edits an diesem Abend ;-) Bitte nimm ungeniert dies dem von Dir erwähnten Schema entsprechend vor, wie Du es für richtig hälst; dazu braucht es keine 'Aufforderung' an mich ;-) lg, Roland 18:42, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Dann verstehe ich diese Änderung noch weniger. --PigeonIP (talk) 19:18, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Türkei und anderen[edit]

Ich danke Ihnen für die richtige Kategorie. Ich warf noch ein paar Bilder von Vögeln. Seien Sie höflich sie beobachten. Zwiadowca 21 17:33, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Gern geschehen. Wissen Sie welche Farben die Puten hatten, die Sie fotografiert haben, oder ob sie alle gleich groß waren? Waren es Schwarze Deutsche Puten und Bourbonputen,[1] oder waren sie gelb, rot, kupfer? [2] --PigeonIP (talk) 18:11, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Es gab drei Puten. Eine ganze rotbraun Deutsche Puten-002.JPG, das andere, wie hier: Deutsche Puten 003.JPG. Zwiadowca 21 19:26, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Anonymous people of Portugal[edit]

Did you read article 79 of the Portuguese "Civil Code"? (i bolded some parts):

"Article 79.º
(Right to image)
1. The portrait of a person is not allowed to be exhibited, reproduced or put in commerce without the person's consent; after death of the portrayed person, said consent rests in the persons designated on the Article 71(2), according to the order in said article.
2. It is not required the consent of the portrayed person when so justifies said person notoriety, the office that perfoms,police of justice demands, scientific, educational or cultural purposes, or when said reproduction is framed in public places, or framed in facts of public interest or have occurred publicly.
3. The portrait cannot, however, be reproduced, exhibited or put in commerce, if from said fact results prejudice to the honer, reputation or simple decorum of the portrayed person."

As you can see the Commons:Country specific consent requirements#Portugal is totally wrong about the need of consent to images taken of people in public spaces. Tm (talk) 20:46, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Coq 01, Sayada Tunisie mai 2013.jpg[edit]

Hallo Dyolf77, thanks for uploading.

Do you know the breed? Would be of interest. Greetings --PigeonIP (talk) 15:32, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi,
As a civil engineer Smile, I can't answer the question! but I will ask for that. Regards. --— D Y O L F 77Nuvola apps kmail.png[Talk] 16:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

File:Hermanos Grimm.png[edit]

Hallo PigeonIP, warum hast du das als copyvio markiert? --Túrelio (talk) 20:14, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

das ist doch nie und nimmer "self" sondern aus irgendeinem anderen Werk. möglicherweise PD. Für ein "falsch lizensiert" oder "copy-fraud" habe ich das richtige tag nicht gefunden. --PigeonIP (talk) 20:20, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
die Einbindung in es:Los cuentos de los hermanos Grimm (anime) lässt auf einen Zeichentrickfilm, also ein neueres Werk, schließen. --PigeonIP (talk) 20:27, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Category:Text_logos_Y[edit]

Commons-emblem-issue.svg Category:Text_logos_Y has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category.

In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!


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Jcb (talk) 12:05, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Kaninchen-Kategorien[edit]

Hallo PigeonIP, Du hast eine Kategorie namens "Category:Normal Fur Breeds" angelegt. Sie ist leer, bis auf die ebenfalls leere Kategorie "Category:Blanc de Bouscat.

Ich verstehe diese Kategorie nicht, die als Unterkategorie von "Category:Rabbit breeds by breed group" angelegt ist.
Was sind denn "Normal fur breeds" und wieso als Unterordnung von Kaninchen? Voller Spannung, --Kürschner (talk) 13:47, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Das sollte die Gruppen der Rasseneinteilungen widerspiegeln vgl. http://www.thebrc.org/standards.htm Ich bin aber schon bei der Zuordnung/Übersetzung/Übertragung der Rassen ins Deutsche gescheitert. Wenn man bei einigen Rassen die deutschen Beschreibung mit den vermutlich englischen Rassen vergleicht, kann man schon die ein oder andere Überraschung erleben. Ein erweiterter Schwierigkeitsgrad: UK und US scheinen sich da auch nicht wirklich grün (Kaninchen X in UK ist nicht Kaninchen X-US, das ist Z-US. X-US ist wieder eine ganz andere Rasse. Ich habe das dann lieber wieder sein gelassen. Habe mit den Tauben und Geflügel noch genug auf dem Tableau. Eine Übersetzung wurde mir aber schon angeboten, also wenn du Interesse hättest könnte ich dir vielleicht etwas vermitteln. Andererseits wäre ich dir aber auch nicht böse, wenn du einen LA stellst. Für mich ist das im Moment so gut wie nicht handhabbar. --PigeonIP (talk) 14:21, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
beim ZDRK sähe das übrigens so aus (6 Guppen, davon 3 Normalhaar). Ein Inhaltsverzeichnis vom EE-Standard sollte auch noch irgendwo auf meiner Platte liegen. --PigeonIP (talk) 14:25, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Irgendwieso hatte ich mir das gedacht. Nur "Category:Normal Fur Breeds" sagt eigentlich garnichts über Karnickel aus?! Ich suchte eigentlich eine Kategorie für Pelztierzüchter und bin deshalb darauf gestoßen. Ich will aber im Moment nicht wirklich eine anlegen, weil, was ist ein Pelztierzüchter? Einer der Pelztiere züchtet, oder jemand der Pelztiere für die Pelzgewinnung züchtet? Also lasse ich es lieber. Die Kategorie war nahe daran, allerdings nicht als Kaninchenunterkategorie. --Kürschner (talk) 16:08, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Wenn das so unklar ist/sein kann, sollte man vielleicht noch über einen Qualifikator nachdenken rabbits oder noch besser BRC oder British Rabbit Council, dann wäre auch klar nach wessen Gusto diese Einteilung vorgenommen wird (mein eigentliches Ziel war ja EE, wie bei den Tauben, aber so weit scheinen die Kaninchen noch nicht zu sein.) --PigeonIP (talk) 16:17, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Genau, das Wort rabbit sollte vorkommen, meiner Meinung nach in ausgeschriebener, auch für den Nichtfachmann verständlichen Form. Aber das streift mein Gebiet nur noch von fern. Schönen Abend! --Kürschner (talk) 17:50, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Hello. I was wondering if you know if i could upload a painting such as this one under the art license? I'm not sure if its old enough so i could use a {{PD-old}} license. I won't take if from Facebook, its found on many other websites, as well as: this, & this, & this, & this. Could you please answer in my talk page? Thank you--باسم (talk) 17:48, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Ok, Thank you :-)--باسم (talk) 08:47, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Category:Pigeonfeeding vs Category:Feeding pigeons[edit]

Hi there - I noticed you created both the above categories some time ago & I can't see what the difference is in them? I think that one was probably meant for pictures of people feeding pigeons - in which case I would suggest a rename to Category:People feeding pigeons, much like Category:People feeding swans if you don't mind?

Actually I'm a bit confused with the whole "feeding animals" category - perhaps a look is needed to rename them to clearer things like the "people feeding...". Do you have any opinion on it? Let me know, if we can't be BOLD :), I'll list it at categories for discussion and see what happens.

Thanks for your help. -- Deadstar (msg) 10:16, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Hallo @Deadstar:, sorry that I took some time to answer you. When I created these categories I was a little bit confused by all these "feeding animals" categories as well. I intended to create one category for all pictures, where "pigeon feeding" is shown. One easy general category, where uploaders would instinctively put their pictures into. Most pictures do show people actively feeding pigeons. So I did not intend to create a sub-category that I would have to fill manually by regularly cleaning the mother. So the pictures you shall find in Category:Pigeonfeeding (that may be should be Category:Pigeon feeding) may fit the line "People feeding pigeons". Two special subcategories where done to filter special situations, that are not so often uploaded:
  • show individual pigeons while feeding/eating bread or corn or something else.
  • places, where people do provide food for pigeons on a regular basis
Maybe I messed up with the names and it is all mixed now. Maybe there should have been three sub categories all along with a better description how they should be used...
  1. a mother, that fits all
    1. a subcategory with individial pigeons, that are eating
    2. a subcategory for places/objects, where food for pigeons is provided (regularly; on streets, squares, parks)
    3. a subcategory for people actively feeding pigeons (out of hand)
Any ideas? --PigeonIP (talk) 20:04, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
No worries about the delay - thanks for pinging me.
I had a closer look and actually found Category:Columbidae eating (didn't look that far last time obviously!). This could have pictures of all pigeons eating(1 above), categorised by type of pigeon if necessary (I wouldn't able to do that).
And then within that there could be Category:People feeding pigeons(3 above).
It will empty out your two categories, but they can be redirected. I can't seem to find a category related to spots where pigeon food (or bird food in general) is provided. Category:Birdfeeding facilities? Sounds a bit odd. -- Deadstar (msg) 09:44, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
@Deadstar: Most pictures in Category:Columbidae eating do picture feral pigeons. People uploading pictures, are locking for "pigeons". So it shall stay a subcategory of Category:Pigeons, that is for domesticated and feral pigeons (no-one is looking for a special species, if they did a picture of an ordinary pigeon in parks or streets).
It is easier to maintain the categories. It is easier to look for other species in the "pigeons-category", than to look for feral pigeons in the columba-category. People, that took a picture of a special species, are more careful with the categorisation.
Category:Columbidae eating Category:Pigeons (domestic forms) Category:People with animals
Category:Pigeons eating(1 above) Category:People with pigeons
Category: People feeding pigeons(3 above)
The third one:(2 above) could it be Category:Pigeon feeding site or Category:Pigeon feeding ground? That could also refer to squares/parks, that are known for the "pigeon feeding" there. --PigeonIP (talk) 13:06, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
There are only 5 pictures of non-feral-pigeons in Category:Columbidae eating and they should stay exposed as such one. They should not get lost in the shuffle of the mass of feral pigeons. --PigeonIP (talk) 13:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Agreed. I've undone some of the moves to Columbidae I did, and leave it up to experts to take them from "Pigeons eating". Category:Pigeon feeding sites is good, though would it be better to say "Bird feeding sites" to include other types of birds? -- Deadstar (msg) 15:44, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

___ ✓OK Category:Columbidae eating ✓OK Category:Pigeons eating ✓OK Category:People feeding pigeons ✓OK Category:Pigeon feeding sites ___

That leads to the question: what to do with Category:Birdfeeding, Category:Bird feeders and Category:Birdfeeders? --PigeonIP (talk) 19:24, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Category:Birds at feeder stations? Category:Birds at feeding sites? --PigeonIP (talk) 19:59, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Birdfeeding[edit]

<outdent>Regarding Category:Birdfeeding: I have a feeling that "birdfeeding" isn't actually a word in English - it should be "Bird feeding" (per en: wiki too). Category:Bird feeders should be ok, Category:Birdfeeders should be renamed to "Agricultural bird feeders" or something along those lines I reckon. En: wiki has no mention of the things that I could see. -- Deadstar (msg) 14:58, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Leads to the question: what is agricultural? Category:Poultry feeders? Is that a word? In German they are sometimes called "Futterautomat" (= automatic chucking machine) or "Futtertrog" (=manger, feed trough, feeding trough) --PigeonIP (talk) 16:10, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
feeder?
By the way is this -->> a feeder or a feeding site? --PigeonIP (talk) 16:29, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Feeder! Too small to be a site in my opinion :) Poultry feeders seems to be a valid thing, and we also need Category:Pheasant feeders - Google came back with a lot of similar things to what's in Category:Birdfeeders. -- Deadstar (msg) 16:38, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
heasants are wild fowl. partridge as well. Maybe Category:Birdfeeders should be moved to Category:Pheasant feeders or Category:Feeders for wild fowl/Category:Wild fowl feeders
Sorry: Category:Poultry and game feeders [3] (Pheasent feeders are Game feeders [4]) --PigeonIP (talk) 16:50, 10 February 2015 (UTC) or Category:Game bird feeders to be more precise. --PigeonIP (talk) 16:55, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
I think that we're close enough with "Pheasant feeder" for the moment - most images I put in there have it in the title. -- Deadstar (msg) 17:07, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Ok, so
Is Category:Bird feeding a category about what people doing to feed birds? If yes, how fits Category:Plucking posts? --PigeonIP (talk) 17:53, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Now I do understand the difference:

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Re: Plucking posts? No idea! You're right - I also don't think it belongs in Category:bird feeding. -- Deadstar (msg) 14:45, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Couple of comments from someone who can almost manage English ;-)
Bird feeding would be "correct" to me and I'd suggest that as that is what is used on en wp it is appropriate here too.
On categories with "and" in them I'm not sure I've seen many categories here that have that? I'd prefer separate individual categories I guess.
On the "on" or "at" a feeder to me both sound quite correct - certainly I do not see one of them as "wrong" in English. --Herby talk thyme 14:59, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Hallo Herby, thanks for helping us sorting this out.
  • "On" is like "on top" to me, that it not the case for every picture in that categories. But it is ok, no need for action ;)
  • "game and poultry feeders": some are possible for both, but we could put them in both categories (when necessary), as well. --PigeonIP (talk) 19:44, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Maybe Category:Bird feeders should be moved to Category:Garden feeders, so it is clear, that this are Bird feeders in gardens and designed landscapes, as a sustainable habitat support and an aesthetic feature --PigeonIP (talk) 20:40, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm trying to work out what the higher category is - to me Garden feeders is a sub cat of Bird feeders I think? --Herby talk thyme 11:52, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, it is. I am trying to work on that right know. Maybe it is possible to abondon "Bird feeder" and go with "Bird feeding" as highest category, but fits the pheasant feeder, the poultry feeder and the pigeon feeder still in it? or the one with the emus? --PigeonIP (talk) 13:44, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Pictogram voting info.svg Info I found a waterfowl feeder, so I did create Category:Game bird feeders --PigeonIP (talk) 21:33, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Pigeon housings[edit]

Only one answer at the moment: Nest boxes are interior of Pigeon housings (dovecotes, dovecotetowers and pigeon lofts), but they can be outside as well (but that is not that common anymore).--PigeonIP (talk) 15:50, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Birdhouses[edit]

  • Ok - I shouldn't have started really!! Category:Nest boxes and category:Birdhouses seem to refer to the same thing at the moment. There are a lot of pictures in Category:birdhouses that are of bird feeders (not nest boxes). I propose Category:Bird nest boxes for clarity and then sort through Nest boxes and Birdhouses for those that are of nest boxes and those that are not. Disambiguating Birdhouses to state "nest box" or "bird feeder". -- Deadstar (msg) 15:48, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
  • There are also nest boxes for bats
  • If "Birdhouses" is the same a "Vogelhaus" in German, than it refers to bird feeders, that are prepared during wintertime. The term can refer to both:
    • a litte house-like-thing to feed birds,
    • a nestbox to "life in" and raise your chicks,
    • maybe even an aviary.
category:Birdhouses shall definitely be disambiguated ;) --PigeonIP (talk) 16:24, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
To me "Birdhouses" is not really an English way of saying it. However the concept to me would be for somewhere that birds lives created by man (that would be related to an "Aviary" (what does that cat structure look like (yes I know I should check it - will do so next if nothing else crops up!). An Aviary is - sort of - an open air but secure - place where birds are kept. Within in there might well be bird boxes that the birds actually live in.
Very worthwhile discussion though and happy to help if I can. Thanks --Herby talk thyme 15:06, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
OK - quick look at category:Aviaries and I would not agree that they were solely in zoos.. --Herby talk thyme 15:08, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Herby :) -- Deadstar (msg) 15:48, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
I've created the Bird nest boxes category. For Category:Bird tables - not sure if that should include the ones that have a roof on them? (It does at the moment. I think they fit better in there than in Category:Bird feeders)
Bird table?
ps won't be around till next week -- Deadstar (msg) 17:14, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Agreed and I can see that small mammals might use a "nest box" too. Thanks for the work (& your en is better than 2!). --Herby talk thyme 11:54, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for looking at that - I think we're good so with the bird tables :) Should Category:Nesting boxes not just redirect to Category:Nest boxes? Or did you find these are two different things? -- Deadstar (msg) 09:55, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
A en:Whelping box (for dogs or bears) is something different from en:Nest boxes. But both are created by humans to help animals to grow their young... --PigeonIP (talk) 11:07, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Category:Whelping boxes surely? I think to have nesting boxes and nest boxes is just confusing... Other than that - I think we are getting through it? :) :) Thanks for all the research PigeonIP! -- Deadstar (msg) 11:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
"Whelping box" seems to be specific to dogs. "Cubbing pen" or "den" seems to be the term for other animals like ice bears and pandas [7] [8]. Created the categories - hope that's it sorted now :) -- Deadstar (msg) 09:53, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
OK. Where is the one for the icebear gone? --PigeonIP (talk) 15:25, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
File:Wurfbox Eisbär.jpg - Wilhelma Zoo and "Animal related equipment". I reckon (and I could be wrong here) it's not called "nesting" what an icebear does. -- Deadstar (msg) 15:34, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

where to go[edit]

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Hallo you two.

<--- This made my day today. So I'd like to share it with you. Face-grin.svg --PigeonIP (talk) 21:13, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Cool - Made me smile too :) -- Deadstar (msg) 11:28, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Feeding poultry? (Necrosyrtes monachus)[edit]

Die Fütterung der Geier (Necrosyrtes monachus) nach Category:Feeding poultry halte ich nicht für optimal. Ich würde eine eigene Kategorie vorschlagen, die Fütterung der Geier, ist dort als Touristenattraktion zu sehen. --Atamari (talk) 11:13, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Da kuckt man sich ein Bild mal nicht so genau an... Du hast natürlich recht. Ich habe sie für Perlhühner gehalten. Danke für's aufpassen. --PigeonIP (talk) 11:32, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Und... category:Necrosyrtes monachus feeding...? ( in category:Necrosyrtes monachus und feeding und Touristenattraktion)--Atamari (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Ich würde aufpassen nicht zu kleinteilig zu werden. Ich habe selber eine Tendenz dazu, ins Detail zu gehen, wenn ich kategorisiere, ärger mich dann aber wieder, wenn ich nix mehr finde, weil ich mich nur noch durch die Kategorien klicke und nicht dort ankomme, wo ich hin will... Meinst du es hat einer ein Interesse nach diesen Geiern bei einer Fütterung zu suchen? --PigeonIP (talk) 11:45, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Wenn es diese (Category:Feeding bees) Kategorie gibt... warum nicht? --Atamari (talk) 12:38, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Bienen sind halt auch domestiziert. Nutztiere, von denen man sich einen Nutzen erwartet und entsprechend pflegt... Die beobachtete Geierfütterung würde ich eher wie die Pinguin- oder Löwenfütterung einordnen. Sie ist eine Zoo- oder Touristenattraktion. Aber ich will dich auch nicht davon abhalten dieselbe einzurichten, falsch ist sie sicher nicht ;) --PigeonIP (talk) 13:36, 12 February 2015 (UTC)