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(poor english) I have asked for aid to User:Cookie because I cannot understand exactly what you say to me. I speak Galician, Spanish and Portuguese, but I have difficulties with the English.

I have tried to improve the image, but I spoil the edges of the hands.

You can download a trial version of Photoshop lightroom 3 here. greetings--Lmbuga (talk) 09:10, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

If you want, I can upload the new version of the image with diferent name--Lmbuga (talk) 09:11, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
I have received the translation. I don't have Adobe Photoshop (In order to speak with me, I request to you that you use simple orations whenever you can).
The edges of the hands are bad (File:Palkinnot - retouched.jpg). If the image were RAW possibly did not pass that. When giving luminosity, the shades of the left hand have noise. I have tried it of several ways, but I do not like the result--Lmbuga (talk) 10:57, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks a lot :) Pitke (talk) 11:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

I think that your image is better than mine. Greetings--Lmbuga (talk) 12:42, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

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for categorising lots of files. I don´t know if you have seen: there is no Category:Chestnut horses yet. Best regards, --4028mdk09 (talk) 08:45, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your thanks :) Yes, I'm aware the category doesn't exist... yet. I've been wanting to rename Category:Chestnut (coat) for a long time now. Pitke (talk) 16:45, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Category redirects

Hi! Just so you know all category redirects should use {{category redirect}}, which is a soft redirect too. Using this template allows a bot to routinely recategorize any files put in the redirected category. Also, when someone tries to add that category with HotCat, it will automatically resolve to the correct category name when saving. Rocket000 (talk) 06:48, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

If you're referring to Category:Brown horses, which I believe you are, not allowing a bot to move the files (or HotCat to automatically change the cat name) is a needed function. Brown is unfortunately both a more or less esoteric jargon term for a specific type of horse colouration (see en:Seal brown (horse) and especially en:Seal_brown_(horse)#Seal_browns_on_paper for futher details), and a very commonplace colour name (see Category talk:Seal brown horses for some discussion and a gallery on genetically and name-wise different horse colourations that all could be described as "brown"). User:Pitke/Brown holds my record of "brown" horses miscategorized most probably in the Brown horses category and recatted automatically into the Seal brown horses cat. These hits are only those found and recatted by me. The whole "colour term vs colour term" and "what should this category be called to not attract an assload of miscats by unknowing people" mess is a big one... If it was for me, the Brown horses category would hold all brown horse related cats (quite similarly to Category:Brown animals) and collect those unavoidable miscats until a more knowledgeable person could subcat them. It would not include the Seal brown horses cat, either. Another possible (but not too elegant) solution might be redirecting "Brown horses" to a new "Brown horses (appearance)", and a new, mostly HotCat-oriented category "Brown horses (Seal brown)" would redirect to "Seal brown horses"... Pitke (talk) 16:08, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
What about making it a disambig page where you can explain all that? Rocket000 (talk) 18:09, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Are category disambigs possible? Pitke (talk) 18:10, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Sure. Just tag it with {{disambig}}. Rocket000 (talk) 18:12, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Oh, and sorry, I didn't say why exactly I want the category Brown horses non-automatic. It's because it's easier to recat files ending up there than going through all the pictures in Seal brown horses when I do my regular maintenance checks. Pitke (talk) 18:10, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Understood. Rocket000 (talk) 18:12, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I use Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:Seal_brown_horses for inspectiong some difficult categories. --Foroa (talk) 11:09, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Gee, thanks, it's a new toy for me :D Pitke (talk) 15:58, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Please, no!!

Those silly junk categories like 'black and white birds' . . . they're worthless, don't spam them into lots of species categories! Thanks! MPF (talk) 21:39, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

It's way better than to cat every black-and-white species file separately. As to if these cats are worth anything, I'd suggest you start a bigger discussion at the Village Pump. Pitke (talk) 12:53, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Nisäkkäiden luokittelu

Hei! Olit kumonnut muutaman Animals-luokasta Mammals-luokkaan tekemäni siirron sillä perusteella, että Mammals-luokat on varattu villieläimille. Missä tällainen linjaus on tehty? Ainakaan juuriluokissa Category:Mammalia, Category:Mammals tai Category:Mammals by country ei tällaisesta mainita mitään. --Apalsola tc 23:45, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Olen itse saanut sellaista palautetta joskus. Joku kumosi omat muokkaukseni sillä perusteella ilmeisimmin. Lisäksi esim. luokassa Category:Cattle ja Category:Horses on erillisiä lajeja tai alalajeja ja käsittääkseni kaikki kotieläimet ja lemmikit joilla on luokka arkinimellään Category:Animals by common named groups kuuluvat itsessään vastaaviin taksoluokkiin. Oikeasti en tiedä virallista linjausta, mutta minulla ei olisi kyllä mitään sitä vastaan, että jatkossa luokiteltaisiin "common name" -luokat (kuten Category:Black sheep) sekä vastaavaan taksoluokkaan että luokkaan Category:Black domestic animals. Mites tämä? Pitke (talk) 03:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Kun taas tapauksissa esim. Horses of Finland ei ole järkeä luokitella luokkaan Mammals of Finland (pikemminkin pitäisi olla domestic animals of Finland tms tai Animal husbandry in Finland) koska hevonen ei luonnonvaraisena siellä esiinny. Tämä systeemi on vakiintuneempi (arvelisin) kuin ylläolevan kaltaiset tapaukset, joten en lähtisi muuttamaan. Pitke (talk) 03:31, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
Jos asiasta on vakiintunut käytäntö, niin ei varmaankaan ole tarpeellista muuttaa. (Ja en ole biologi, joten kovin syvällisesti en taksonomiaan ym. edes osaa ottaa kantaa.) Olisi kuitenkin hyvä, jos vallitsevat käytännöt olisi kirjattu johonkin, jotta ei tulisi niin helposti tahattomia virheitä. (Tämä ei tietenkään ole pelkästään eläinluokkien ongelma; ylipäätään Commonsissa ei aina tiedä, mitä johonkin luokkaan lopulta on tarkoitettu luokiteltavan.)
Menee jo vähän asian viereen, mutta ylipäätään maakohtaiset eläinluokat (esim. Category:Animals of Finland) ovat mielestäni siinä mielessä ongelmallisia, että luokan nimen voi ymmärtää myös niin, että luokkaan pitäisi luokitella kaikkien ko. maassa esiintyvien lajien luokat (ja jotkut ovat näin tehneetkin). Jonkin laajalle levinneen lajin kohdalla tämä johtaisi todella pahaan yliluokitteluun. Näkisin niin, että esim. Category:Animals of Finland -luokkaan ja sen alaluokkiin luokitellaan vain kuvia, jotka on otettu Suomessa. Poikkeuksena ovat sellaiset lajit, joita esiintyy vain yhdessä maassa (esim. saimaannorppa). Tällaisten lajien luokat voidaan minusta hyvin luokitella ko. maan maakohtaiseen luokkaan. Onko sinulla mielipidettä tästä? --Apalsola tc 08:11, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
On mahdollista tehdä luokkia tyyliin "Ursus arctos in Finland". Ne sitten laji- ja maaluokkiin edelleen. 88.192.238.197 03:57, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

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Breed ID

Hello Pitke, May I ask your expert opinion? Would you know which is the breed of those horses: File:Chevaux estive Pyrenees.jpg? Here is another view of the same herd. I've asked if they might be "pottoka" on fr:WP; I was answered that probably not, according to the French standard for the breed (furthermore the view wasn't taken in the Basque Country). Thank you in advance for your kind attention, --Myrabella (talk) 13:28, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

I cannot claim to be any kind of expert when it comes to the numerous French horse breeds; I came up with two likely breeds, the Merens (which are more or less always black), and the Pottoka, which seems to be excluded from speculations. The horses in the two photos seem quite heavy. Sorry, but I don't think I can be of help here, the WPEQ project in en.wikipedia will probably be better prepared. Pitke (talk) 19:09, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Thank you anyway! I should ask someone from es:WP, as these horses may be of a Spanish breed, according to my interlocutor on fr:WP... --Myrabella (talk) 07:07, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I may have an answer to Myrabella's question about the breed of the horses photographed. Their breed is most probably Breton - free-grazing herds of this French draught are kept in the Pyrenees for meat production.

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Hello, thanks for lots of excellent work. But I can´t understand your edit here. It was surely a male horse. Cordially, --4028mdk09 (talk) 15:00, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes I know, I think my brain was farting something like "he's so curled up you couldn't ever tell" but now that I think of it more thoroughly, it doesn't matter - it will still illustrate a stallion. Thanks for the reminder, I categorise pictures constantly and find myself sometimes thinking in really weird patterns. Pitke (talk) 18:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. :-) --4028mdk09 (talk) 22:24, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

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Horse breeds

Now I get what you meant. The categories are named after the breed not the horses of that breed. Category:Horse breeds is messy. What determines if something is capitalized or not? I'll do some renames if you can help me out. Rocket000 (talk) 05:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Personally I'd love to see breed cats named in the style of "Comtois horse" pro "Comtois (horse)", as the latter style might make a person think it's about a horse individual. Capitalisations of "horse" and "pony" has vague logic about whether the word is part of the horse breed's official name (As in "American Quarter Horse" (cat seems misnamed btw)), or a clarifying prefix for the category name. It's somewhat of a mess. KWPN should logically be spelled out, but the abbrevation is far more known than the full name of the breed group... English articles should be checked with every rename in any case. Category:Caballo Castellano and Category:Cheval Castillonnais should be merged as Category:Castillonnais horse. Pitke (talk) 06:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
I made the renames you suggested. For anything else just tag it with {{move}} and I'll do it. Rocket000 (talk) 06:36, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! Pitke (talk) 08:25, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
If it helps, the consensus at en.wikipedia's WikiProject Equine is to name the breeds with the following priority: "XYZ" (if no confusion with other things of that name) then "XYZ horse" (lower case) if there IS a possibility of confusion (notably with the warmblood breeds named after geographical regions, Westphalian, Hanoverian, Holsteiner, etc...), except, as in Pitke's example above, when "Horse" (capitalized) is part of the breed's formal name. We reserve "XYZ (horse)" for specific named animals or other non-breed horse articles that need disambiguation. So if the English entries here want to follow that, it would at least have the elegance of simplicity (we don't have this 100% consistent at WPEQ, there's only what, 300 or 400 breed article over there... :-P) But whatever you guys want to do. Just FYIMontanabw (talk) 04:26, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

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Horse cat:s

Thanks for note. There doesn't appear to any logical policy stated anywhere as such. Do you want to take it to the Village Pump? (and only 2 reverts, actually) Man vyi (talk) 07:12, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

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Hi Pitke, you might want to check out WHO the uploader of an image is before you mess with their edits-- I took the freakin' photo! LOL! Here's some more photos of the boy: One more of mine, clearly showing eyes and muzzle: File:MaclintockV.jpg and his owner's official version here with more photos: [2]. (noogies) Montanabw (talk) 04:16, 29 October 2010 (UTC)


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Category:Horse rears

Hey Pitke, saw Category:Horse rears. Given that "rears" also refers to horses when then stand up on their hind legs, may I suggest changing the category name to something like "horse hindquarters"? Just a thought, I'm too lazy to do this myself...  :-D Montanabw (talk) 00:37, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

My dear Montee, I assure you that no person who has spent more than a little time on the Commons will think that "Horse rears" stands for a subjective and a predicative, as all "action" categories are either "gerund", "gerund subjective", or "subjective gerund". Thus "Horse rears" as in the action would be incredibly incorrectly named, and I would have already renamed it as "Category:Rearing horses". A standard Commons-user of course has no way of knowing this, but they again can ask in their heart whether rearing horses have enough to do with "horse anatomy", "animal tails" and "rear views of horses" as to be categorised under these themes. Thirdly, a standard Commons-goer hardly is aware of the depth of the subcategory tree of "Horses", and would be surprised to know categories for separate horse body parts even exist. However, if you insist that "Horse rears" be renamed, I would like to suggest these names: "Horse posteriors", "Horse hineys" or "North ends of horses going south". Your friend, Pitke. Pitke (talk) 06:40, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
"Rear" is also a little crude. Sort of like "ass." "North end going south" amuses me. "Hindquarters" is the term of art. I didn't feel like fixing it because it's a judgement call, but it's best to use the mainstream terms when they exist.  ;-) Montanabw (talk) 23:08, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Happy appies and stuff

I won't go in and change everything (yet), but there is really no such thing as a "near" leopard. Everything you have in that category would be classified as "leopard" by the ApHC. Maybe the Knabstruppers do something different, but I have never come across the "near leopard" thing, which is not a classification that's supported by literature (at least, I didn't see it in Sponenberg, the ApHC doesn't use it, Appy breeders don't use it, and none of the genetic research on PATN suggests it) Some horses might have a blanket and leopard spotting, but that is called a horse with a blanket and leopard spotting! LOL! I'm willing to argue about this a bit and look at sources, but it IS definitely non-standard terminology, and when people are looking for "leopard" horses, some of the nicest ones are lumped into this category where no one will find them  ;-) JMO. Montanabw (talk) 16:24, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Breed associations again. These are closely related to the guys who insist breeding palominos as a breed, remember? I gather I learnt years ago that "near-leopard" is a horse with an extensive spotted blanket and looks mostly white with spots, although having more or less solid colour in the head and the forelegs -- no idea whether the term is still used or anything. I have no trouble believing you in that some association would categorise a chestnut as black. Agh, the Lp thing still evades me... as far as I know there's:
  • Spotting. Makes spots of "permafix" all over the horse's body. Can be itty bitty or large. Permafix spots are soluble by non-LpComplex spotting and grey, non-soluble by LPComplex washing agents.
All over spots are leopard, both horses would be classified as such. If the horse, like your second example, is mostly white and just a few spots, then it's a "fewspot" leopard. -- MTBW

Is shy and cannot be detected unless Varnish or Blanket comes out to play with him.

No clue without seeing the whole horse, but my guess is the horse is probably a varnish roan, a lot of them have spotting as well as roaning. -- MTBW
  • Varnish. Makes the horse roan out and turn whiter a bit like the grey, but leaves colour on bony parts. Also does not turn the colour darker or steel grey in the process.
Basically, yes, except that they don't progressively lighten forever. They kind of roan out then stop, though getting a little lighter in the winter and darker in the summer. That pattern of dark hairs on the bony parts of the face is the real distinctive part that distinguishes varnish from anything else. --MTBW
  • Blanket. Solid white pattern that grows from the horse's croup. Can be as small as a few white sprinkles on the butt, or extend to cover most of the horse.
Yes, though they now add several versions to distinguish a blanket that is mostly a blanket versus a spotty blanket. --MTBW
The appy stuff that keeps confusing me:
  • Leopard. Permafix spots all over, otherwise the horse is white. Homozygous(?) horse is nearly white, might have a few spots with pigment here and there. Is this separate from Blanket or a form of Blanket? What decides if the spots get to be tiny or huge?
Yes, leopard and fewspot leopard. It is theorized that the homozygous horses are the ones with more white, but as they've only recently located the gene, it's going to take some time and more animals sampled to be sure. -- MTBW
  • Snowflake. Little white spots all over the horse, not just on the butt. Is it Blanket gone nuts? Is it Varnish gone anal? Is it something else?
They don't know yet, but it's probably not varnish. I suspect that if they every figure out the theorized PATN ("pattern") gene or genes, this will most likely be linked to the same mechanism as blankets.
Locus PATN, with alleles "+", "Snowflake", "Blanket", and "Leopard blanket" (and maybe a bunch more) could be but *shrug* Pitke (talk) 20:10, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
That's a good question! I can't think of an underlying base coat or any dilution that creates two different shades like that. Leopard spotting, but definitely weird! Montanabw (talk) 20:00, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
The terminology has actually changed even within the last 10 years as people have put more time into figuring out what seems to be genetically significant and what is not. What appears to be known is that there is an "Lp" mutation that creates the tendency to spot, along with the white sclera and striped hooves that go along with it. What makes the various patterns from leopard to varnish is not yet known, but proposed to be a separate "pattern" allele (called PATN until they figure out something better) that dictates the distribution of spotting. It appears that homozygous leopards have more white than heterozygous ones, and horses heterozygous for Lp are more likely to have blankets and such, but they'll need more research to be sure. As for breed associations, the ApHC has deliberately chosen to keep their head up their butt about the link between Lp and blindness, but other than that, they are quite dedicated to figuring out the genetics of spots because, of course, they want more horses with spots because they sell for more. FYI, for the latest, we are trying to get Appaloosa up to FA standard and did a bunch of updatingon the genetics stuff and created a table of images that corresponded to the stuff we found in Sponenberg's 2006 book, so yo may want to look over the sources cited there: [3] I haven't completely updated leopard complex, but did add in some of the new stuff. Montanabw (talk) 20:00, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Harness racing

Hello Pitke, Would you know how to say trot monté in English? Harness racing under saddle? Here is an image. Thanks and regards, --Myrabella (talk) 00:19, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I created Category:Monté racing to accommodate both trotters and pacers. A very nice pic btw. Pitke (talk) 09:09, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much. --Myrabella (talk) 10:10, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Speaking of another fascinating and regionally unique horse sport... "monté' translates to "mounted", so "mounted trotting race" might be close, but we don't have them, so there is no standard English phrase as fall as I know. "harness" is not accurate, though, because the harness is a type of tack used to pull the sulkies. ;-) Montanabw (talk) 05:24, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
I agree, but the en:WP article about Harness racing begins with: "Harness racing is a form of horse racing in which the horses race at a specific gait (a trot or a pace). They usually pull two-wheeled carts called sulkies, although racing under saddle (trot monté in French) is also conducted in Europe."... --Myrabella (talk) 12:27, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Fancy that monté riders are in Finland called "monté drivers" (the word used literally means someone who controls the horse by the reins, but it's never used for riders)... And because of cultural differences, we're prone to call horse racing (as in gallop racing) "competitive galloping", because horse racing for us is first and foremost "competitive driving" and "trotting". Jockeys get to be riders however. Pitke (talk) 00:45, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Make it 33

Hope it won't upset J.W. in any way ;) Since you've done horse categories recently, could you take a look at category:Horses by activity and category:Use of horses. Shouldn't they be blended together? Category:Plowing with horses is about using them, but it is also an activity - or not ?? NVO (talk) 13:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

...33? JW? Anyways, I created Horses by activity to help finding horses that are doing a specific thing, i.e. to gather all those "horses doing this and that" cats. I think a link to Use of horses would be constructive. Pitke (talk) 14:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

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Congrats! Cheers, --4028mdk09 (talk) 01:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Super :D Thanks guys. I'll serve you well *bow* Pitke (talk) 04:56, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

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Is this useful?. I ask because it took me a couple of weeks to learn about the first and I just learned about the second today.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 11:42, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Looks very nice, thanks a bunch! Pitke (talk) 12:39, 17 April 2011 (UTC)


Hi Pitke,
as you are an admin now, would you mind to add the admin-"bit" to the babel-box on your userpage or the template {{user admin}}? Thanks. --Túrelio (talk) 21:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Whoah, had no idea those things existed. Pitke (talk) 16:59, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

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Hallo Pitke, I suggest this mare being a Noriker. What do you think about? Cheers, --4028mdk09 (talk) 11:23, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Good find. IMHO the mare shows typical type of the breed, and the foal has the typical huge Lp spots although his blanket pattern is something I haven't seen in Norikers before. Pitke (talk) 16:03, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. About the foal: I do not know if the stallion was a Noriker. Perhaps he maybe not. Cheers, --4028mdk09 (talk) 18:39, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Edited the Commons/Licensing/Finland/Works of art

Hey! I discovered that you added a section (or subsection) "Works of art" to the Finnish section of the Licensing page. [4] Because your text was unfortunately far too easy to read for most people and since the Finnish government has graciously provided us with a translation of the whole Act, I thought that copy-pasting from the translation would serve a dual purpose: to minimize the factual errors in the text and to spare us from the hideous work of trying to translate laws and statutes to another language ourselves. --Pxos (talk) 17:15, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem, an official translation is ideal. I'm just happy we have one. Pitke (talk) 21:03, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Grey ?

Hello Pitke, May I ask you whether the horse one can see in that image is "dappled grey" or simply "grey" ? Kind regards, --Myrabella (talk) 21:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

It isn't dappled. Regular grey although the dispigmentation in the face is interesting. Pitke (talk) 01:37, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
You know, I don't think it's a gray at all. I'm betting a roaned-out leopard complex. Look at the eye and the solid chestnut bits on the hind legs. Grays CAN get that depigmentation thing, but I'm betting there is something else going on there beyond simple graying. JMO. Montanabw (talk) 18:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your interest. Pitke had kindly added a cat, maybe to be affined? I would ask a further layperson's question: is it similar to this other horse (classified as a 'Sabino horse')? --Myrabella (talk) 21:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Nope, except that there you have another mystery "WTF is THAT?" horse with multiple color pattern stuff going on, (grin) looks like sabino overlaying roan, but the light color also makes a case for gray, except that the head darker than the body argues for roan. Montanabw (talk) 03:36, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh god of categories

Been out and about with the camera, but I suck at categorizing images in commons. Can you peek at what I've contributed in July and see if I have everything in the best places? I was particularly flummoxed with how to narrow down the mountain ranges categories, as nothing handy popped up in the suggestion box. Every image was taken somewhere in Montana. Thanks. Montanabw (talk) 18:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

… breeds originating in …

Hi Pitke, I noted that you moved Category:Cattle breeds of Finland (I wasn't aware of Category:Breeds by country and subcategories when I created it) to Category:Cattle breeds originating in Finland. Good idea! This makes the "difference between country and country" (photo location vs. general origin) even more clear, and I guess I can use this sort of naming ("originating in") in other cases too :-) --:bdk: 13:46, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Glad to hear :) Pitke (talk) 15:32, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

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Art cats?

Hi Pitke, you are the guru of commons categories, could you peek at the stuff I uploaded at Charles Marion Russell and related files to see if I put them in all the proper cats? Or, to be more specific, I know I could add more, but don't know them well enough to do so in an efficient manner. Thanks! Montanabw (talk) 16:42, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I'll chip away during the next few days. Pitke (talk) 20:58, 12 December 2011 (UTC)