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Contents 1 Template talk:Move cat 2 Wonderful! 3 Moving category 4 CommonsDelinker suggestion 5 Major mistake

[edit] Template talk:Move cat

Hi Siebrand. I made a suggestion to update the above template. -- User:Docu

[edit] Wonderful!

Hi Siebrand! I just saw the Commons Delinker working; great Bot! Thanks for creating this software! Greetings from Bonn, germany --Sir James (talk) 20:15, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliments. They are also extended to Bryan and Multichill. Siebrand 00:07, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Moving category

This and this moves are against rules, there was no clear consensus! Please move it back. Thank you. --Ragimiri (talk) 01:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Please talk to User:Foroa, as the edits were made by a bot based on this edit. Siebrand 11:01, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] CommonsDelinker suggestion

Hi Siebrand; If one is not alert when moving files, it is possible to overlook the need to edit the new filename into the line to be pasted into User:CommonsDelinker/commands.[1] The result is that CommonsDelinker replaces instances of the old file name with "File:New image.ext". The instructions could be improved, but I wonder if CommonsDelinker might ignore and flag commands to replace filenames with "File:New image.ext". [2] [3] Thank you, Walter Siegmund (talk) 00:38, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

I concur; this would help avoid idiot noob sysop mistakes (: Stifle (talk) 09:15, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Major mistake

Hi, I think that [4] is a major mistake, probably made worse by the fact that SieBot don't use a cooldown period anymore on category redirects since a couple of weeks. --Foroa (talk) 18:30, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

It seems to wait sometimes, but not always. It's rare that it's a problem though. -- User:Docu at 18:36, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

It is not a real problem when unknown; once it is known, with a couple of well chosen redirects, massive merges/uncategorisations can be done into one single category. I did not manage to find the delay logic, but as it is standing now, anyone can merge/move categories in a couple of minutes/hours without any sort of control. So, it certainly needs some cooldown period unless we have a bot that can easily undo such moves. I think that we need a central category move logging. As it is working now, too many bots are moving categories without any sort of overall view. --Foroa (talk) 19:01, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

To avoid any problem, can you block Siebot? After all it's Russbot and not Siebot that does the redirects. -- User:Docu at 19:20, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

 Comment: I blocked the bot to prevent more such mistakes. Please unblock it when it's fixed. --The Evil IP address (talk) 19:48, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm working on cleaning it up. -- User:Docu at 19:53, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

 Comment: Of course, this is only my opnion, but I consider it very dangerous that the bot automatically moves category redirects. If some vandal would decide to replace Category:Commons-en with a {{category redirect}}, then the bot would log in as "Siebrand" and "move" the Main Page to the "correct" category. --The Evil IP address (talk) 20:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Foroa asked be to comment here. To fix or at least contain this problem:

1. Slap around and revert the user who destroyed Category:Subnational entities and Category:Maps by country subdivision (and maybe more categories)
2. Restore cooldown period, why was it ever removed?!?! Using {{Category redirect}} for moves is Bad

Multichill (talk) 20:47, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

The cooldown period works with RussBot. Not sure why SieBot attempts to do these moves too. -- User:Docu at 21:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

There are several bots doing those moves. I fail to see why {{Category redirect}} is bad (apart from loosing a little bit of history information). It is suggested in the category rename guide and is by far the procedure that needs the least work (for non-disputable moves). --Foroa (talk) 17:21, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok. Siebrand disabled the category redirect for now so I unblocked the bot. I looked into the code and i'm afraid someone broke the code the get the last edit. This will also break the cooldown code. Multichill (talk) 14:53, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. The version russbot is using seems to work (User:RussBot/category redirect log). -- User:Docu at 15:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

To fix the rare problem Foroa mentions, "imagemap" needs to be defined in the "exceptionRegexes" (around line 4103 in wikipedia.py) and then added where "def removeCategoryLinks", "def replaceCategoryInPlace" (and possibly some others) call replaceExcept. -- User:Docu at 15:43, 28 November 2009 (UTC)