User talk:Trijnstel

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Serious issue which needs your immediate attention[edit]

Hello Trijnstel,

Sometime prior to 17 November 2013, I deleted a number of images from Commons which was done at the request of one of the individuals in the photos. I will not name the files, nor will I state when I deleted them. I will state that the subject did not want photos with her in them on Commons for reasons of privacy. I deleted the files without question and did so quietly.

Today, I have been advised by JurgenNL that on 17 November 2013, you sent to him an email. The email had the subject line: "Foto's Moira", and the text was as follows:

In Dutch:

"Hoi Jurgen,

Hier heb je de verwijderde foto's. Bij de groepsfoto's staan ook alle namen van de mensen (gebruikersnamen wel te verstaan). Dat interview kan ik misschien maar beter niet delen, want dan weet je gelijk erg veel van Moira haar priveleven en dat moet ik niet doen.

Groetjes (your name removed)"

Translated roughly into English:

"Hi Jurgen,

Here are the deleted photos. At the group photos, the names of the people are written (the user names, to be exactly). Maybe it's better to keep the interview for myself, otherwise you will know too much about Moira's private life and I can't do that.

Greetings (your name removed)"

He also provided a screenshot of the email, which I am providing here (Link removed by Jcb (talk) 12:03, 2 December 2014 (UTC)) (with your real name blacked out). After I asked him to supply another screenshot with the "Details bekijken" visible, he did so straight away and here it is (Link removed by Jcb (talk) 12:03, 2 December 2014 (UTC)). Again, I have blacked out your real name, but have left the email addresses intact as they are publicly available via numerous posts to Wikimedia mailing lists. I have also removed from both screenshots the images which you attached to the email (which I will provide to the WMF if required). There is no doubt that this email was sent by yourself to JurgenNL.

JurgenNL did not become an admin on this project until January 2014, so he was unable to access them on Commons until well after the email was sent to him. In private conversation with JurgenNL, he told me that numerous things were being discussed, and that without being asked to, you accessed the deleted images and sent them to him on email. He also states that he was not aware of the existence of these photos until you provided them to him.

In October, both JurgenNL and TBloemink had their rights removed by the WMF for a gross violation of the Privacy Policy. JurgenNL then had his Commons rights re-instated and the removal was affirmed by the Commons community.

Knowing that the individual in question is concerned about her online privacy, it is an egregious abuse of your tools to be accessing deleted content and providing it to editors in the way that you have. Given the events surrounding the editor in question, you are as much complicit in the harassment as JurgenNL and TBloemink are at worse, or participated in its facilitation at best.

As a Check User on Commons, you are trusted by the Community to deal with sensitive information, and you are expected to deal with that information inline with various policies relating to accessing CU data. Although you haven't used your Check User tool in this instance, you have used your Administrator tools to access delete content, which you knew was deleted for reasons of privacy and distributed it to an editor who neither knew of their existence nor had access to them.

I believe that the community should have been informed of this during the RfC on JurgenNL and TBloemink as the community would have been very concerned as to your involvement. I expect that the community would have requested that your advanced permissions were also removed if it was aware at the time.

I sincerely hope there is some very good reasoning you might have which would explain your actions here, or that you will resign your advanced permissions if you can see that you have acted below community expectations so as to avoid another prolonged investigation.

Regards, russavia (talk) 18:10, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

I propose to AGF here and to be honest I see no need to reopen this case. Everybody trusted JurgenNL those days, which is clearly visible in the adminship request. Jcb (talk) 18:53, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
As the "victim" can only say Jcb is so right. No news to me that Trijnstel shared pics with a person we all those days had trained, helped and trusted as a colleague. What happens here is a vicious planned act by two persons only. Trust this awful privacy violation of private emails can be removed and oversighted here as soon as possible and the culprits held accountable here. MoiraMoira (talk) 18:58, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
MoiraMoira when you approached me to delete the images you made representations to me that you greatly value your privacy and that you did not want these images in which you were clearly identifiable on Commons because of privacy concerns. You also cited Dutch law which talks about people who are not in the public eye, to which I told you that it wasn't necessary to delete those images with that law in mind, the fact that you didn't want images of yourself on Commons was enough in my mind. It was a deletion that was made inline with the Wikimedia Foundation Resolution on Images of Identifiable people.
At the recent happenings over at Meta you also made similar representations in relation to your privacy. When I heard about this, I told you privately that I am sorry that this occurred to you, given that I had recently found out about a similar case of an editor gloating that they had all but stalked the home of my parents, and told you that if you have any issues in future to please feel free to contact me and I will try to help.
Whilst I appreciate your willingness to let Trijnstel off-the-hook here, given your friendship with her, we can not simply let this slide here on Commons. Trijnstel holds advanced permissions which require the utmost of trust. She was well aware of the reasons for the deletion of those images, and she should not have, under any circumstances, provided them to anyone, let alone an editor who was not an admin on this project. We expect advanced permission holders to abide by the various privacy policies that are required to be abided by, and her actions have shown a complete lack of judgement.
Trijnstel needs to provide sound reasoning for the release of those images to JurgenNL and how the release of those images were allowed for in the privacy policy and how doing so showed sound judgement on her part. Vindictive, retaliatory indefinite blocks, such as those imposed by Natuur12 on Dutch Wikipedia on both JurgenNL and myself after this issue was raised, will not make it go away. Nor will comments by you MoiraMoira defending your long-time friend here; as much as I respect you defending your friend, you have made comments and given representations elsewhere, which if we allow to affect this issue, it only goes to lessen your complaint on those other issues.
Jcb we are willing to AGF on this project, and I hope that Trijnstel's response will be forthcoming in a timely fashion; i.e. we aren't going to wait forever. I hope we will not require another OC investigation, but that she will resign the tools she holds if she can't provide valid and sound reasoning for what is a gross violation of the privacy policy and the trust that she was supposed to hold in the highest regard. Let's just wait a day or so for Trijnstel to respond here. russavia (talk) 03:57, 29 November 2014 (UTC)


Trijnstel, please see Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/User_problems#Abuse_of_trust_by_Trijnstel. russavia (talk) 13:02, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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Because there needs to be at least one message of comfort on your talk page in times like these :)

I appreciate your sincerity and willingness to express your feelings at the AN/U discussion.

I thought about participating in that discussion, but I knew right from the start that the stakes were lower than they appeared; no one -- not you, and not Russavia -- is going to be desysopped as a result of that discussion. That discussion won't result in any changes, so there isn't any point in me joining that discussion.

I'm sorry if you were expecting the discussion to result in justice rather than the continuation of the status quo, but it's hard to change anything at Commons.

Michaeldsuarez (talk) 21:15, 2 December 2014 (UTC)