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File:BSicon uKRZ+l.svg[edit]

Discussion is at User talk:Pic-Sou.

icons broken[edit]

Hi. You indicated here that the icon will be moved, but it isn't moved yet which leaves the page broken. I have therefore reverted this for now, please let me know here when it is indeed moved. It's better to first move and then quickly fix the embeddings (even better would be to leave a redirect from the old name as long as the link-fixing is not finished, as that wouldn't create broken pages). Thank you --Thogo (Disk.) 08:11, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Although it doesn't sound like a bad idea, there is the problem that a page move can be done in as short a time as three hours, or as long as three days. Also, by making the link changes first and then the page move, there are fewer (if any) unnecessary redirects created. (And, apparently, one is created for each language's Wiki, not just in Commons.) Useddenim (talk) 23:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
Hm, true. Moving without automatic redirect and manually adding a redirect only on Commons wouldn't work? --Thogo (Disk.) 19:47, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
Don't know, as I've never tried because I was unaware that it's possible to suppress the automatic redirect. Useddenim (talk) 20:24, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
Also, it turns out that some wikis won't allow editing of others' user pages. (Gee, I wonder why?) Useddenim (talk) 20:27, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


Just to let you know I added {{rename}} to   (muKBFa), which had slipped through the crack or something. Circeus (talk) 13:29, 20 August 2011 (UTC) ✓ Done

Autopatrol given[edit]

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Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I have granted autopatrol rights to your account; the reason for this is that I believe you are sufficiently trustworthy and experienced to have your contributions automatically sighted. This will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to help users watching Recent changes or Recent uploads to find unproductive edits amidst the productive ones. Thank you. Ben.MQ (talk) 11:33, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

names stuff[edit]

moved to Talk:BSicon/Renaming#names stuff

Diagonal interruptions[edit]

moved to Talk:BSicon/New icons and icon requests#Diagonal interruptions

Latest awful name[edit]

moved to Talk:BSicon/Renaming#Latest awful name

Duplicate names[edit]

moved to Talk:BSicon/Obsolete and deletions

Missing and wrong designs[edit]

moved to Talk:BSicon/Renaming#Missing and wrong designs


Please do not schedule BSicons at CommonsDelinker, he can't handle those! a×pdeHello! 22:18, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

What's the work-around? Manually accept move requests? Useddenim (talk) 22:41, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, "manually" ... guess how I made 676 edits on jawiki ;-) a×pdeHello! 22:55, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Exact means exact[edit] and refer to Commons:Deletion policy#Duplicates  — billinghurst sDrewth 01:02, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

File:BSicon uABZa.svg[edit]

Hi, please don't nominate redirects for speedy deletion before you replace all global usages. Jcb (talk) 16:08, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

  • I'm not Yann
  • There's still a lot of global usage, see here
  • One more repeat = block. Jcb (talk) 07:11, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
The only remaining use is on User: pages, or do you want me to commit the faux pas of messing with others' Sandboxes? Useddenim (talk) 13:28, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I deleted the redirect. Jcb (talk) 16:15, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
Excuse me, «One more repeat = block»? Is this for real? Obvious trolls and vandals get proverbial wrist slaps while <allrise>Useddenim</allrise> is “warned” in this bully-like manner for doing a routine icon-mantainance operation which the self-styled “voice of the wikipedia” failed to understand in the first place? (All those User pages are either abandoned sandbox tests or “catch all” tables and lists.) --Tuvalkin (talk) 00:25, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
No, at 07:11, 15 September 2011 it was in use in a lot of articles. I do understand the topic and the (now invisible for non-admins) page history of the redirect gave sufficient reason to tell more clear that this had to stop (after three speedy nominations). Jcb (talk) 07:12, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure why I confused Jcb's reversion with Yann's (possibly because he didn't notify me). And the only excuse I have for confusing Global Usage and What Links Here is working too late at night. Useddenim (talk) 12:00, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
You right about "global usage" vs. "what links here" — it is misleading. --Tuvalkin (talk) 13:48, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Um, only two delete requests, but Hey! the complete file history's gone now! so there's no way to prove who's wrong... Useddenim (talk) 12:33, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
There is a way, see here - Jcb (talk) 13:27, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Screenshot saved as a JPG? Sorry, Jcb, your madskillz do not pwn someone who creates SVGs in a text editor. --Tuvalkin (talk) 13:48, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Icons renaming[edit]

OK, excuse-me, I didn't know.

Sincerely --Pic-Sou (talk) 17:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Icons details[edit]

removed to Talk:BSicon#Icons details

Commons vs. en.WP[edit]

Although we discuss icon stuff here, I'd appreciate if you could ask about stuff that relates specifically to en: on my talk page there ^_^;; Circeus (talk) 19:20, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

which looks best?[edit]

moved to Talk:BSicon/Icon_geometry_and_SVG_code_neatness#which_looks_best.3F

{{PD-ineligible}} vs. {{PD-geometry}}[edit]

moved to Talk:BSicon/Icon_geometry_and_SVG_code_neatness#.7B.7BPD-ineligible.7D.7D_vs._.7B.7BPD-geometry.7D.7D

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Category:Brown circles[edit]

Hi Useddenim. OK. Best regards, --JMCC1 (talk) 00:53, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


moved to Talk:BSicon/New icons and icon requests#tLUECKEq

File:BSicon pHST.svg & File:BSicon epHST.svg[edit]

moved to BSicon/New icons and icon requests


Concerning this. Please bring your issues to the discussion page. -- Tuválkin 02:06, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

You're right[edit]

About this. -- Tuválkin 00:11, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

File:BSicon kSTRq+r.svg[edit]

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I've moved the file. As to your note "information copied in anticipation of file move", this should only be done when the file will be uploaded, and never when the file will be moved. A move is the procedure of renaming the entire page, with all its history, logs, etc. Cheers. Materialscientist (talk) 04:50, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

TRAIN -> BAHN[edit]

Hi. Why was it necessary to go into all language versions and change TRAIN on BAHN? People are used to it. This abbreviation is intuitive. --Туча (talk) 16:06, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

About two years ago a German editor decided to co-opt the name TRAIN as a redirect for BAHN. When the U.S. DoT rail transport icons were uploaded (the logical use for the name TRAIN) an administrator locked the page, so there is now the illogical situation of:
  (BAHN)   (exBAHN) international icon
  (TRAIN)   (exTRAIN) original DoT icon
  (TRAIN2)   (exTRAIN2) newer DoT icon
  (TRAIN3)   (TRAIN!) …!?
Once all of the non-American uses are changed, hopefully the naming will be rationalized. Useddenim (talk) 16:24, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
If it is a american locomotives, it can not simply be called TRAIN, because he is not an ordinary train, it is american! That is, it must be named ATRAIN (American train) or UTRAIN (Usa train). --Туча (talk) 21:34, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
BTW, I have found diagrams that use both TRAIN and BAHN! Useddenim (talk) 16:30, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Logical abbreviation use is to use one that is not currently in use. I think it is more correct to take another name. For example U.S. DoT rail icons may be named File:BSicon_USDT.svg. In addition picture TRAIN3 is just not very good unlike TRAIN2 and when small size it look like bad. may be necessary it adjusted size to conform to similar icons, or do something else. --Туча (talk) 17:22, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
TRAIN3/exTRAIN is same height as TRAIN2/exTRAIN2. And whether or not you like the design, the original design has been widely used throughout North America for decades. (However, I will try to modify the image so that it will render better at small sizes.) Useddenim (talk) 17:35, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
BSicon_TRAIN.svg still used on hundreds of pages around the world, and there were thousands, and many will be created in the future, and it is unlikely to meaningfully with this fight. And when you uploaded the new version all they was modified. --Туча (talk) 18:04, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
BSicon HELI.svgBSicon BOOT.svgBSicon FLUG.svgBSicon AETRAM.svgBSicon FUNI.svgBSicon LDER.svgBSicon TRAM.svgBSicon SUBWAY.svgBSicon MONO.svgBSicon TRAIN2.svgBSicon BAHN.svgBSicon TRAIN3.svg Do not you think that the last icon seems bigger any other and it is hard to understand? --Туча (talk) 19:00, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Michgrig proposes to reopen the discussion. --Туча (talk) 16:56, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: File:BSicon tENDEe-L.svg & File:BSicon tENDEe-R.svg[edit]

I have tried using BSicon_c.svg with your advice but it causes a slight shift to the right for all icons on its right hand side. I am thinking a way to solve this problem. If I can, I will add the icon BSicon_dtENDEe.svg and use it instead. Thanks for your advice.--Xeror (talk) 18:43, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Stations and stops interchange (BHF-X)[edit]

Could you please comment here? Thanks. YLSS (talk) 14:29, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Renaming "legende"[edit]

Hello! Can you please come and comment here? -- Tuválkin 09:52, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

File:BSicon WYEg+23.svg[edit]

Hi Useddenim,

you recently uploaded this file which is a duplicate of File:BSicon WYE23.svg. IMHO the old file looks better and bears the more reasonable name. May I delete the new one? a×pdeHello! 11:21, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, I guess so, but you really didn't wait very long before acting, as I see it was replaced in a fraction over an hour... Useddenim (talk) 13:58, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

LUECKE ochre[edit]

Hi, I've renamed "LUECKE ochre" uploaded by you to   (LSTR ochre), since Tuvalkin & me have recently started migrating them (cf. this). Hope that's cool? YLSS (talk) 00:46, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

No problem. (I should've picked up on that myself, but that's what happens when you're doing a quick cut'n'paste.) Useddenim (talk) 00:49, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Very good[edit]

This. -- Tuválkin 00:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

BSicon road transitions[edit]

Hello again. Check Category_talk:Icons_for_motorway_descriptions/generic#Straights, under "Transitions" and you can guess I don’t think the two icons you made,   (RP2a4) &   (RP4e2), are the way to go. Design differences don’t bother me much, but I cannot figure out the naming scheme you suggest from those two: What would   (RP2e4), f.i., look like, if not identical to   (RP4a2)? (Anyway, great work with the color gradient at   (WWECHSEL), which I totally stole for   (RD1yRP1) et c.!) -- Tuválkin 01:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

The naming was a carry-over from the doublings   (vRP2a4) et. al.), which came from   (vSTRa). I do see your point, though, but what does the "y" stand for in your namings? And as an aside, (IMHO) there's something about the dashing that makes   (RP2yRP4) look not nearly as smooth (sleek?) as   (RP2a4) even though the geometry of the road surface in nearly identical—only 2 pixels difference at 20px. How do you feel about deleting the latter and renaming the former? Useddenim (talk) 11:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
No problem with the exact geometry; I had these already done, offline, a while back, before I saw yours. The "Y" in the name suggests width change, just a placeholder for "becomes" oslt. The important matter is that a begin/end distinction is unnecessary, as it is already given by the order of the road type identifiers — not unlike   (RP2xRP4) v.s   (RP4xRP2). (Yes, this is different from the usual BSicon naming approach: I wanted to use these icons also as a laboratory for alternative naming conventions; besides, some of the needs of this set are specific and unlike the usual line icons’.) -- Tuválkin 18:57, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Upload of BSicon_uxKRZuy.svg[edit]

Hi, I wondered how you managed to upload   (uxKRZuy). When it is placed next to   (uKRZuy), the road looks different, so I downloaded BSicon_uxKRZuy, changed the colour of the water from light blue to blue, and attempted to upload it as a new version of BSicon_uKRZuy.svg. However, it says that it contains scripts which might be misinterpretted by a browser. Even if I tick "ignore warnings", it still refuses to upload it. Any thoughts? Bob1960evens (talk) 09:23, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't know where the problem came from, as I use a simple text editor to create my svg files. I know that Inkscape and Adobe introduce a lot of bloated code when the create files, so that may be the source of the problem. In any event, they should be compatible now, as I took my version of BSicon_uxKRZuy.svg and changed the canal colour, then re-uploaded it over the original BSicon_uKRZuy.svg. Useddenim (talk) 12:06, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. That was exactly what I did. I downloaded your file, changed the colour with a text editor, and hit the problem when I tried to upload it. I'll try again with the green one. Bob1960evens (talk) 14:06, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


Hi Useddenim! Got a couple of questions:

  • Shouldn't   (lhSTR) be rather   (lhLSTR)? Do I understand right that this is an overlay for elevated interruption? Amazing icon, if so ;)
Yup, you’re right.
  • I guess you missed   (uxtENDEa) vs.   (utENDExa) &   (uxtENDEe) vs.   (utENDExe)... YLSS (talk) 17:31, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Didn’t overlook them, just couldn’t decide which is the better name. (xa/xe seemed more correct to me, but the BSa# templates work better with ux/uex.) Useddenim (talk) 18:30, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
I think such cases merit the status of "Exceptional permanent redirect" ... YLSS (talk) 16:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
  •   (RP2w+1) +   (ÜWc2 grey) etc. - smart!  ;) YLSS (talk) 16:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Adding a box[edit]

Hi, re this edit: was the sole purpose to apply a background colour? If so, you don't need a table: there's a better way. There is already a <div style="...">...</div>, so you merely need to add the appropriate property to that, i.e. instead of these:

<table bgcolor="#ccffcc"><tr><td bgcolor="#ccffcc"><div style="font-size:85%;">

use these:

<div style="font-size:85%; background-color:#ccffcc;">

There's a slight visual change in that there is no green at the left and right of the enclosed tables, but that too is easily fixed, by adding padding:3px; to the same style="...". Here's the final effect (with the middle portion omitted for conciseness):

The prefix indicates the status of the infrastructure (partially in use, not used, disused, or not yet opened), and whether it is elevated or in tunnel:

Zero or more of these prefixes:
u f g e x m
U-Bahn / underground footpath green ehemals / erstwhile ex Mischbetrieb mit U-Bahn / mixed with metro
e.g. metro, light rail or canal footpath or hiking trail unwatered canal closed, under construction, or planned station/stop/etc.
Note that the BSe template requires e to come first.
closed, under construction, or planned track indicates that the icon contains both heavy and light rail in the same pictogram
(see below)

The standard order is

"u", "f", "g", "e", "x", "m" – all prefixes concerning the status of the track are first (for different BS-anleitung-templates),
"h"/"t" - prefixes concerning the elevation of the track are next (directly attached to BSicon-ID, and sometimes need to be used as a suffix as well).
"b"/"c"/"d"/"v" – prefixes concerning size of icon third,
root modifier last.

Hope I've been of assistance. --Redrose64 (talk; at English Wikipedia) 08:29, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes you have. That's what happens when you try to edit when you're tired. :) Useddenim (talk) 12:15, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Your decategorizing[edit]

Hi, with your change at BKV metro symbol.svg you removed not only part of the description, but you also uncategorized from [[Category:Manually coded Valid SVG]] and SVG simplified logos. To recategorize the file, I'll undo your change.
With your degarbaging from February, you changed some of the transparent background into white. I continued your work, it is the easiest method to draw the graphic but it is not correct. So I'll redraw it with transparent background.
Do you have any objections or suggestions? sarang사랑 11:13, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate your efforts and help, but I do have some observations:
  • The file was marked both W3C® Icon.svg Valid  and W3C® Icon.svg × Invalid ;
  • The background should be white;
  • Although smaller is better (from both a rendering and editing point of view), the code should not be compacted to the point that so much white-space has been removed that it is difficult to read.
Useddenim (talk) 23:30, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi, may I explain:

  • The file was marked "valid SVG", automatically by {{SimplSVG}}, with the link to browse the source code, and the proper categorizing.
  • Additional its description contained the remark that a former version had been invalid, with the link to browse that version as well but without wrong categorizing.
  • The first version was generated with all transparent background, but I do not know how it should be. At BKV hev symbol.svg I cared for the transparency, which led to larger and more complicated coding. If you think it is fine, I'll leave BKV metro symbol.svg as it is.
  • You are right that too much removing may result in more difficulties to read the source code. In some examples of very simple graphics I try to show how lean SVG code can be. The other possibility, making the code very visible, is shown in Structured SVG. <The best way should be in between these two extremes... sarang사랑 05:33, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

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mask → transparency Why? As far as I can see, this is the only file that you've reverted... And why such a strange masking at   (exhABZ+1)? I intended to re-upload   (uhSTR+4) (it has a faulty corner, apparently derived from Peterwhy's version of   (uSTR+4)), but should I restore the masking or not? P.S. I'm aware of this inconclusive discussion. YLSS (talk) 18:16, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

  (exhABZ+1) is easy to answer: When I created it (for it's single use) I wasn't aware of   (MASKm). Perhaps we need the full set of masks, for all the curves, and then all the hICONs can remain transparent. Useddenim (talk) 20:28, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
A possible solution... but quite a task, I suppose, especially since many projects (incl. ru.wp) use white background... For now, I hope you don't mind if I re-upload uhSTR+4 with masking? Solely for consistency with other elevated uw's. YLSS (talk) 20:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Go right ahead. I don't have any strong feelings one way or the other, and there's no overall consensus. Useddenim (talk) 23:35, 4 October 2013 (UTC)


There was one:   (ugBRÜCKE). Nevertheless, your version has clean code. YLSS (talk) 14:15, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

I missed it ’cause I looked in Category:Icons for railway descriptions/set g/bridges instead of the root category. Useddenim (talk) 20:48, 19 October 2013 (UTC)


Have I ever thanked you for making catalogues at en.wp auto-filling? Well, even if I did, I'm doing it once again. They indeed surpass categories in usefulness now. YLSS (talk) 22:35, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

No, I don’t think so, but thank you for the kudos. Useddenim (talk) 00:57, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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Stefan4 (talk) 19:03, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Curve + shift[edit]

I hope you do not mind that I nominated File:BSicon utvSTRr-SPLe.svg & co. for deletion. After all, Vunz's versions are older, so we should preserve them, even if we ultimately rename them to something shifty. YLSS (talk) 08:00, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

It doesn’t matter if I did, as it was already deleted by the time I saw your message. :) Useddenim (talk) 18:28, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Ah, but the pangs of conscience!.. YLSS (talk) 19:09, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to answers[edit]

Hello! I se that some of my questions from last august is still unanswered, if you have time, I welcome you back to the discussions. Category_talk:Icons_for_motorway_descriptions/generic. --Civilspanaren (talk) 18:12, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


Hey. I reverted your change, I don't know what your aim was, but I reverted the version of File:GO Transit logo.svg you uploaded because it increased in size, and the transparency between the shapes was lost. I guess try again? Cheers. --Natural RX 01:11, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Whaa? It’s 840 × 400 pixels, same as before, but only 595 Bytes, approximately 1/32nd the size of the 19 Kilobyte Inkscape version you uploaded. And it is supposed to be white—not transparent—between the green elements. (I guess you don’t remember the original Hawker cars and the GP40TCs.) So if you don’t mind reverting your undo… Useddenim (talk) 01:31, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


Hello! If you have the time, I'd be happy if you could help with making some more tunnel-icons. The first icons I think about is RP4-turns, like   (tRP2lf)  (tRP2lg)  (tRP2rf)  (tRP2rg) and some corners for the uw-tunnel icons you made some weeks ago. --Civilspanaren (talk) 16:57, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

I’ll take care of it in the next 36 hours. Useddenim (talk) 17:00, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
✓ Done. Useddenim (talk) 23:51, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Roads in tunnel[edit]

I dunno if you're aware of Category:BSicon/road/tunnel or not, but decided to notify you just in case... See also Talk:BSicon/Categorization#Category:BSicon/road/tunnel. YLSS (talk) 20:07, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

No I wasn’t. Should one be a redirect to the other? Useddenim (talk) 23:40, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
I suppose you should better consult Tuválkin (at that talk page). YLSS (talk) 06:22, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi! Well, I created Category:BSicon/road/tunnel to be the 1st of a general replacement of our whole category tree away from the misnamed Category:Icons for railway descriptions (and canals, et c.). I defend three main points:
  1. Having Category:BSicon as the main root our cat tree.
  2. Using shorter “breadcrumbs” — e.g. "stations" instead "stations and stops", "parallel" instead "parallel lines", et c.
  3. Using understandable “breadcrumb” words — e.g. "90°" instead "uw", "shift½" instead "krw", et c.
That move should be done sooner or later. Sooner seems better… ;-) -- Tuválkin 20:51, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Jumping in from nowhere. Point 3, ain't the uw-turns "45°" not "90°"? --Civilspanaren (talk) 17:03, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes, 45 not 90, of course! -- Tuválkin 02:52, 20 April 2014 (UTC)


Hi, I noticed you have set up User:MiszaBot to archive your talk page. Unfortunately, the bot has stopped working, and given how its operator is inactive, it is unclear when/if this will fixed. For the time being, I have volunteered to operate a MiszaBot clone (running the exact same code). With that said, your input would be appreciated at Commons:Bots/Requests/ArchiveBot 1. Regards, FASTILY 07:43, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

File:BSicon vABZg+l.svg[edit]

Just FYI: there is also Category:Icons for railway descriptions/parallel railways/junction+crossing/double curve, and I have also separated Category:Icons for railway descriptions/parallel lines/curve/double/junction. The older title fitted BjørnN's naming pattern pretty well; but I'm not saying which one is better, I had addressed the issue myself at Talk:BSicon/Renaming/Archive 5#With crossing. YLSS (talk) 05:56, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

File:BSicon dhRP4q.svg[edit]

Maybe you intended   (dhRP4q)? Cf.   (dhRP2q). Also, the latter was uploaded before this discussion, so probably they all should be "hd" — unless Tuvalkin has other rules in mind for roads? YLSS (talk) 19:08, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Current   (dhRP4h) should be   (dhRP4q), surely, it is not controversial in the least. I’m sure is a typo. -- Tuválkin 20:01, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
So...   (dhRP4q) or   (hdRP4q)? YLSS (talk) 21:00, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
  (dhRP4q). The h suffix was left over from   (dSKRZ-G4uh). Useddenim (talk) 03:37, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


Do you propose some alternative naming pattern with   (lvACC1) & co. or should they be   (lACCc1) etc., like   (lBHFc1)? Because that naming pattern was suggested by you... YLSS (talk) 10:36, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

✓ Fixed. Useddenim (talk) 12:23, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Also (lvHSTc#) → (lHSTc#). Useddenim (talk) 12:32, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

lINTACC-M icons[edit]

Nice work in creating   (lINTACC-M) and   (lINTACC-Mq)! Quick question. Shouldn't the inside backgrounds be white like   (lINT-M) and   (lINT-Mq) (and all the other INT icons)? Or is there a specific reason the insides are transparent? Lost on Belmont (talk) 02:37, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

The specific reason is that I forgot ’cause I was tired. (Will fix them tomorrow.) Useddenim (talk) 03:39, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

WASSER geometry[edit]

Just inquiring: where did you take that geometry from?   (WASSER) actually has a simpler one, and AFAIK the rest are derived from that one (at least I derived all parallel WASSERs from it). YLSS (talk) 14:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't honestly know. It was a version I had on my computer that I downloaded in March 2012. Useddenim (talk) 19:25, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


I hope you don't mind: COM:SPLIT#File:BSicon uvÜSTBl.svg → File:BSicon uvÜWBol+lr.svg, File:BSicon uvÜSTBr.svg → File:BSicon uvÜWBor+lr.svg. Although possibly we can find some better names, as discussed before. YLSS (talk) 19:08, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Not at all. In fact, as I was looking at these icons, I realized that they needed both an “l” and an “r” in the suffix because of the four lines. Now, can we put   (vÜSTBl),   (uvÜSTBl),   (vÜSTBr) &   (uvÜSTBr) up for deletion, as there are now topological equivalents? (  (uvÜSTB) and   (utvÜSTB) can go immediately as they are unused outside of the catalogue listing.) Useddenim (talk) 19:27, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't say that they we should delete them: they may be used with a slightly different implication that the tracks of bi-directional route separate and re-connect, while   (vÜWBol+lr) doesn't necessary imply this. Pretty much like   (utvJCTgol) &   (uvABZld). YLSS (talk) 20:00, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Mm... Was the switching of direction in   (vÜWBol+lr) intentional? YLSS (talk) 04:37, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Er, no. Just a minor brain fart on my part. Useddenim (talk) 18:38, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Diagrammatic London rail transit SVG map[edit]

As you know there is no diagrammatic (aka 'Beck' style) map of London rail transits on Commons yet. There was such SVG map but it appears to have been deleted under author's request. So I want to start a collaborated project of creating such map from scratch licensed under Creative Commons (3 or 4 are both fine). A seriously competitive good one. It will include Underground obviously, Overground, DLR and the upcoming Crossrail. It is possible to include National Rail too but I have the concern of the SVG rendering cap of 2048 px on Wikimedia so the map layout should be as compact as possible and never exceed that cap. Do you wanna join me? Or you have any idea in your mind already? -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 10:49, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Sure. Of course, due to the actual physical layout of the lines, there will be some resemblance to the official maps that have been published. Do you think that there will be copyright issues? Transport for London is very protective of its intellectual property. Useddenim (talk) 12:24, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I understand that concern. To my knowledge, the only things we can't copy are the relative positions of the lines and the turning points of line joint. These are the prime elements that would constitute as derivative work of the original. The "sticker" station label is simple geometry so wouldn't be a problem. Same goes for the "barbell" or "capsule" interchange symbol, but for irregularly shaped IC symbol, we must make sure it is shaped differently than the official version. You can check or even base upon the SVG doc format of my Overground map which not yet receives any complaint from TfL, one could argue it's not yet popular to get any attention though. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 13:32, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
To make our map even more different than the TfL version, we may consider using 37° and 53° instead of the traditional 45° for diagonal lines. These 2 angles are from the 3:4:5 right triangle which makes calculation of rounded line joint much easier and station layout more flexible than 45°. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 13:41, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Back in 2000 I created a vector version of the UndergrounD diagram in the style of Beck’s 1957 map. See UndergrounD 1957_2000.jpg, UndergrounD 1957_2000.pdf, UndergrounD 1957_2000.fha or UndergrounD 1957_2000.eps. Would this make a good starting point? Useddenim (talk) 15:17, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Looks like the links don't work properly... Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 15:32, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
OOps! Forgot to escape out the spaces (%20) in the file names. Useddenim (talk) 16:38, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I compared your map with TfL's and overall it's sufficiently different to avoid any trouble from TfL. Although it takes time, it's very straightforward to redo your map in plain SVG format. So we can start discussing how to refine our map. First, do you want to add or reserve space for accessibility symbol? I do know the ACC symbol for TfL maps has some political consideration to avoid unnecessary law suit from disabled communities. Obviously it's none of my concern but I wanna know your opinion on that. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 23:41, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Lose the ACC symbol–it just adds clutter and has nothing to do with the physical relationship of the lines. Is there any software that can convert Freehand, eps or pdf to svg? If so, it would save a lot of time. Useddenim (talk) 13:54, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Trust me, it would take more time to cleanup the SVG code than writing it from scratch. Because we still need to add Overground and Crossrail to the map, that can be lot of work to reposition the existing lines in your map. It is always better to have the XML layout that is readable to human brain than working on the codes that are randomly generated by software. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 22:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm now sketching the new map. Could you please point out in the official TfL map that where I should reserve some reasonable space for any likely extension plan? Thank you. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 02:05, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

See en:London Underground#Proposed improvements and expansions. Useddenim (talk) 02:21, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Your map doesn't include fare zones. Are most Londoners not bothered with calculating tube fare in your opinion? -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 10:22, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

It wasn’t included because TƒL didn’t add the zones until 2001. And AFAIK, it doesn’t make a difference (but does add further complication and clutter) because people are going to travel where they need or want to go.
When I took a look at your sketch, I couldn’t help but notice more than a passing similarity to this. Were you aware of it? Useddenim (talk) 03:00, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
I didn't know anything about, but it's quite interesting and I am tempted to steal the idea of placing the National Rail logo right inside the interchange ring instead of next to the station node or name tag. Either way I intend to stick to 37 and 53 degrees diagonal lines only instead of mixing any more gradient like did on the Central line. Also I won't bend the lines too much for adhering to their alignments in reality, although I understand the website did that for a good reason of better demonstrating unofficial OSIs like Paddington-Lancaster Gate. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 03:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

From the Crossrail official site, it's said that a new station and new pedestrian connection for H&C-Circle line will be built. Does that remove the necessity of OSI with other tube platforms? Otherwise I will use dash line to indicate OSI. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 04:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

My interpretation is that Crossrail will have a direct connection to (the unpaid area of) a new H&C station, which will in turn retain it’s fare-paid connection to the existing Circle/District station. Also, I don’t want you to think that I’m being aloof: I’m happy to provide general comments, but I just don’t think that you are far enough into the design stage that I should be making spefici edit suggestions yet. Useddenim (talk) 18:04, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Actually I have already begun working on the SVG file by preparing station nodes and name tags which will give me better motivation to begin aligning every needed elements of the map. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 22:05, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Here's the SVG file I'm working on. I would say it's about 40% complete by the time I leave this message. I don't upload to Wikimedia yet become I don't wanna waste its resource for generating PNG preview. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 11:07, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

An excellent start. Definitely recognizable as the London network, but with your own unique interpretation. However, I do have a few comments:
  • Gloucester Road: I think should also have an interchange symbol✓ Done
  • South Kensington–Knightsbridge: standard radius (as Crossrail does between Paddington and Bond Street)✓ Done
  • Euston–King's Cross: NOR/VIC & MET/CIR/H&C are co-linnear (but shouldn't be)
  • Finchley Road–Wembley Park: JUB/MET not co-linnear (but then how will you handle the West Hampstead interchange symbol?)
  • Camden Town: the City to Edgware & Charing † to Barnet routings are not apparent
  • Bond Street & Tottenham Ct Rd: INTs should be aligned to JUB/NOR lines, rather than perpendicular to CEN/Crossrail
  • Paddington–Edgware Road: kink in CIR/DIS/H&C lines? I think should be straight (Sameboat: CIR/DIS straightened. CIR/H&C still shifts in order to distance from the other pair at Paddington.)
  • Earl's Court: INT symbol encroaches on the curve (i.e. move it left 1/2 INT radius)✓ Done
Useddenim (talk) 21:13, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments. I think I will have some major rework to the interior ring because it's quite disproportionate to the eastern and western sectors. I don't think I will preserve the circular arc for the north-east section which makes Crossrail crooked at Farrington ridiculously.
  • Finchley Road–Wembley Park: I don't quite understand this because the official and your versions literally do the same to that section. So what do you expect that to look like?
  • Bond Street & Tottenham Ct Rd: I use the capsular INT for these 2 stations because I don't want to bend Crossrail just for avoiding Oxford Circus. Would that be solved If I place the capsules vertically or horizontally so they aren't perpendicular to either line?
-- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 00:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
P.S. I regularly upload the SVG to Google Drive for backup and double-check on mobile device. If you're in the mood, you can also open it in your mobile device and refresh the SVG to check any revision. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 13:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • After checking individual station articles I've realized that you mean interchange station with same/cross-platform interchange layout. TBH, the capsular INT icon is suggesting neither the platform layout nor track linearity. I use them just to make sure they cover all the lines which stop by the interchange. However, I did make some attempt to imply the layout at Euston (in the newest revision) which could be cluttering to someone. If the official version doesn't bother with that, neither do I. (The official version does imply that for Baker Street and Euston, but they're far too subtle for anyone without prior knowledge of the system.)
  • Even though Finchley Road and Finchley Road & Frognal are officially OSI, I'm surprised that the official map makes no attempt to indicate that but instead displays them far far away from each other. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk) 13:41, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

File:BSicon fdSHI2+r.svg[edit]

I suppose you intended 250×500? Also, do you have any intention on moving the classic (dX)s? YLSS (talk) 20:08, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes; and, wasn’t planning on it. (I seem to recall that that was suggested a couple of years back, and there was some push-back at the time.) Useddenim (talk) 21:39, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
I assume you meant (dX) → (dSHI2) (and (dW) → (dSHI2g)? Useddenim (talk) 21:57, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, precisely. I satisfied myself with renaming some confusing names – such as (vBS2) & (dBS2) – but not the more common (BS2), (KRW), (dX). But probably one day we should... YLSS (talk) 14:03, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

File:BSicon v3BRIDGE-.svg[edit]

I think it should be   (v3BRIDGEq-), no? Also, 50px?.. YLSS (talk) 13:51, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Your concerns[edit]

I saw from this comment, indicating you requested deletion of this image.

If you had used a {{speedy}} deletion tag, shouldn't I have automatically received a "heads-up" on my talk page that you had left that speedy deletion request? So, do you have any idea why I didn't receive a heads-up of your concerns?

I saw your other comments on my contributions on User talk:Fastily. In the interests of collegiality I encourage you to address your concerns to the contributor who you have a concern with first.

Google cache contained a copy of the information template. Checking it I can see that, In this particular instance I did make a mistake, it was not an image from the 1940s, but an image from the 1980s of a restored 1940s bus. Over the last 9 years I have made a large number of uploads, maybe over ten thousand, and I would be surprised if there were no errors in the other 9,999 uploads I made. But I do not believe I am more prone to human fallibility than any other contributor.

You didn't say why you thought my uploads, from flickr, or elsewhere, should trigger a concern that my contributions could be of particular problem. As per my suggestion above, if you have general or specific concerns about someone else's uploads I suggest the first person you should try voicing that concern to is the uploader. Geo Swan (talk) 00:06, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't have any idea why you didn't receive notification of the {{speedy}} request.
And yes, I probably should have raised the point directly with you. Unfortunately, I've seen instances in the past where individuals have indiscriminately siphoned images into Commons, and didn't stop until they were blocked. Apologies for lumping you into that group: I didn't take a close look at your uploads while searching for other JBC images. Useddenim (talk) 01:41, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the prompt reply.
Cheers Geo Swan (talk) 02:23, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


In   (vAKRZ) &   (uvAKRZ), was it intentional that the stripes interlace? Or should the road be completely below the rail – BSicon RAq.svgBSicon vSTR.svg  – like in   (SKRZ-G2) ? (Also, WRT the last one, I added the dashes – right?) YLSS (talk) 14:45, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

The interlacing was deliberate: after all, the tracks and the road surface are at the same level. WRT   (SKRZ-G2), I omitted the dashes on purpose, since passing is not allowed approaching a railway crossing (at least in North America). Useddenim (talk)15:51, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Hahah, that didn't even air to me ;) Yes, it's the same in Russia, but well, I don't think we need to accentuate that in the icons: first, there's the issue of scaling, and the part with restricted passing may well be contained within the shorts white stubs next to the rail track; and second,   (SKRZ-G2) if used alone (without   (RP2e) & similar) was not perceptible as such. Cool? YLSS (talk) 16:15, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Yah, we’re cool. Does the newer version look any better? Useddenim (talk) 21:52, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Pretty much the same. If I didn't know, I wouldn't notice any difference at 20px. YLSS (talk) 22:05, 29 October 2014 (UTC)