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Contents 1 Who I was 2 Links : 3 Wikimedia should hire this guys, and buy these stuffs 4 Commons 2.0 5 mapmaking standards 6 Gone! 7 Hi & Bye 8 www.edu.tw copyright? 9 Re: Restore template Template:GunnMap 10 Thanks 11 Your camera questions 12 Commons:CJK characters curses/fr 13 Things to do in Summer 2008 14 needs a diacritic 15 Re : Map standards 16 TUSC token d88ecbf0eac23f611eda335ea4d11be8 17 French Arachnidae 18 Appt 19 CJK Stroke Order Project 20 Map of East Asia 21 Please respect maps 22 Couleurs Image Colibri 23 SVGTranslate 24 Image:Noia 64 apps emacs.svg 25 Image:Yug3.png 26 Bandeau Atelier graphique 27 Vi withdrawal 28 Valued Image Promotion 29 Image Tagging Image:French_peasans_in_their_biotop.jpg 30 Source for map? 31 Image rename 32 Image:Canada location map.svg 33 Re: 34 Image:Tutorial-cartography_(basic).svg 35 Here's your requested map 36 User:Micheletb/Test 37 radio 38 Thank you 39 Image:Adoptfirefox.jpg 40 Greater China, Chinese characters, and Mongolia 41 Chinese character sources 42 silk-like icons 43 Image:China-Historic macro areas.svg 44 Chinese Calligraphy Schemes 45 Corrections made 46 fr:Wikipédia:Atelier graphique/Images à améliorer/Archives/Janvier 2009 47 Still looking for help?? 48 File:Horizontale Presse wiki hsm.png 49 Move of File:占-order.gif 50 Welcome back 51 Please link images 52 Frequency order list 53 COM:SOP To do 54 Unidentified Insects 55 About the stroke project 56 Cartes 57 Your opinion and Critique for Image 58 Commons:Rename Image 59 Great Work! 60 File:Markakol map-ru.svg 61 Maps template-ru.svg 62 Template:Full 63 RE: Swine flu 64 File:Swine influenza symptoms on swine-num.svg 65 Derivation Of Katakana Characters Pictures 66 OGG 67 Chinese_calligraphy_scheme_03-en.svg 68 Beta 69 File:Space bodies which may host life.svg 70 File:Satellites in the habitable zone.svg 71 Taiwan insects 72 ello 73 File:Asilidae member (AU)-left 01.jpg 74 File:Asilidae member (AU)-right 01.jpg 75 About File:Map-BD Comics Manga.png 76 File:Table katakana.jpg 77 Please help replace this outdated license

[edit] Who I was

I'm here knew as Yug on several wikipedias and Commons (ex-admin on fr and commons / my wikiclic), a 23 years old french student in History and Chinese studies.
In April 2007, for my serious work in the department of Chinese studies of Bordeaux 3, I obtained a scholarship to study Chinese in Taipei, from September 2007 to may 2008.

Below is explain my previous involvements and skills helpful for wikimedia :
I was deeply involve in both Graphic organization, Chinese characters graphism, and Chinese language dictionary creation. Respectively by :
_the Graphic Labs on wikipedia.fr in 2005, wikipedia-en in 2006 and on commons in 2007. I created them, started them, and organized them widely. Since 2005, they cleaned up or created more than 1.000 images. I was also the leading contributor to set up a mapmaking standards for all Wikimeda projects. All this was part of the Commons 2.0 project, the next step planned, the idea of an active community of wikigraphists and audio-files creators on commons, which will improve and create files.
_the CJK stroke order project (CJK = China Japan Korea) is a wide project which made and provide about 1.500 free files useful to learn Chinese and CJK characters. I created this project, organized standards, and I staid 3 years the overviewer contributor. I can say the same for the Ancient Chinese character sister-project, in which a Chinese-French team provide hundreds of old Chinese characters.
_CFDICT , a free Chinese French Dictionary underconstruction since December 2006, with the help of the Deutsch HanDeDict Team ( www.chdw.de , 90.000 entries in 8 months ). I, my brother, and the chdw.de team plan to open the CFDICT website this summer. This website and my relations with french teachers of Chinese language and with wikipedians will allow us to set up promptly a good and free Chinese-French dictionary.

In addition to the disapointment of the Wikimania 2007, I leave wikipedia for several reasons, the biggest being that make an efficient work on wikipedia become every day more difficult because of the inevitable presence of people with strong will to edit, but clear lack of knowledge and mediation abilities. One other good reasons is the clear and coward lack of political aims of Wikipedia/Wikimedia. Wikipedia is now a world wide community, with clever and generous members, with millions of readers, we have and we can now act on the world, especially on unacceptable things such the American health system, tax system, and hundred other things. It is time for me to stop my involment here since I clearly want involve my energy and leadership ability in more efficient places, in real tasks, to improve the world around me.

[edit] Links :

• Planned projects (involvment cancelled) :
  • Move toward Commons 2.0 !
  • Mapmaking efficient standards
  • Commons:Graphic Lab (starting)
  • CFDICT Presentation Chinese French Dictionary based on http://www.chdw.de
• Successful projects :
  • English Graphic Lab(since 2006)
  • Ancient Chinese characters (since 2006)
  • Category:Graphics abilities (since 2005)
  • CJK Stroke order project (since 2005)
  • French Graphic Lab (since 2005 ; 2007's summary)

[edit] Wikimedia should hire this guys, and buy these stuffs

1. en:Everaldo Coelho & his graphist team - to set up a free graphic set of images showing clear concept (eat, swimming, etc.).
2. A professional cartographer (who?) - to supervise professionally the creation of maps on Wikipedia
3. A profesional macro-photographer (Fir0002 - * - others ?) and a profesionnal graphist. To take thousand of insect's pictures in one museum (male - female - child ? - egg? in one shoot), with the good latin name and the scale ; and to clean up the pics' bacground before to uplaod them on commons.
4. en:Bill Clinton - to rise money toward Wikipedia.
5. de:HanDeDict website's team - which made a dictionary of 100.000 Chinese-Deutsch entries within 8 months.
6. An Encoder & en:Archivist man - hire and paid to buy Audio CD of every old artists (death before 1937, musics free of use), and who encode scientifically each of this audio CD into .ogg, and send this to commons.

All such works are too heavy to be done by one/some Wikipedian, amatory in the job, in its/their free time. According to this fact, we have to hire some professionals to do the best job possible, and to paid them.

An other solution is to buy already existing standardized materials, such :

1. Set of Animal's Images cleaned up - such professional photographies will be use in hundreds and hundreds articles in each Wikipedia
2. A graphic set of images showing clear concept (eat, swimming, a watch, etc.) - need to teach languages, to children or adults. Many children's books have 500 hundred of such pics (I have one in my hand). Buy the copyrights of such stuffs would be really interesting (3000 US$ for 500 pics ? We should buy it immediately !)

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[edit] Commons 2.0

Hi Yug,

I'm sorry, but I really don't have the time to take on all the work you have been doing. I think it would be better to ask someone already involved with your projects. But whoever you find to do it, please tell them to get in contact with me, because I think they are great projects and I want to stay up-to-date with them.

thanks, and all the best -- pfctdayelise (说什么?) 15:07, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] mapmaking standards

Hi Yug. I think you have started a very good initiative which is very much needed on wikipedia. While i would have been very happy to lead this project, if it was a year ago, presently i no longer have the spare time that i used to have to devote to maps and for wikipedia. I myself did mostly base maps and hoped that others would improve upon it since i did not have the time to do everything by myself. Considering that you are looking to have the guidelines in place by december, i feel it will be impossible for me to lead such an effort. Really sorry --Planemad 13:26, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gone!

I'm sorry you had to leave. Lycaon 12:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

• Me too. --Digon3 ^talk 15:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
• Trop bête :-( J'espère que tu changeras d'avis un jour et que tu reviendras. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 08:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi & Bye

Hi Yug,

We haven't met, but I just got the message that you left me on my talkpage. I'm fairly new to commons, and was planning to help out with the map-making stuff. I think that I'll take you up on the offer to try and organize the project...we'll see if I have the skills and time that it takes.

There seems to be a bit of a rebellion/exodus from Wikipedia projects now. Its a shame that a lot of great editors are leaving the project. I can tell that you care about WP and have put in a lot of time and effort. It's a shame that we'll be loosing your skill.

If you ever decide to return, you'll have at least 1 supporter (me). In the meantime, good luck with whatever you plan on pursuing. Reuvenk 13:13, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] www.edu.tw copyright?

Could you please try to find out if I can mirror the stroke order scans from www.edu.tw. The connection reliability is awful. Thanks! --Infofarmer 10:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Restore template Template:GunnMap

This map was generated by a piece of sofware called GunnMap. GunnMap was created by Arthur Gunn (Aaaarg) and is available, free, at http://gunn.co.nz/map Please attribute by linking to http://gunn.co.nz/map

{| {{CC-Layout}}
| [[Image:GunnMap_Icon.svg|90px|Public domain]]
| <div class="description en">
This map was generated by a piece of sofware called GunnMap.<br/>
GunnMap was created by Arthur Gunn ([[User:Aaaarg|Aaaarg]]) and is available, free, at http://gunn.co.nz/map<br/>
Please attribute by linking to http://gunn.co.nz/map
</div>
|}
<includeonly>[[Category:Images generated by GunnMap]]</includeonly>

--MZMcBride 22:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Great ! I made a new icons, I will have to contact arthur when the maps conventions will be finished :] Yug (talk) 05:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your support. :-) Justinmorris 19:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your camera questions

I moved the answer to User talk:Yug/Camera. I am not exactly sure which Talk page you use!

[edit] Commons:CJK characters curses/fr

. Yug (talk) 00:46, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Things to do in Summer 2008

1.  Done Tutorial-cartography.svg : finish + ask English review
2. Cartographic Template:Maplegend : build new templates, assist Sting ;
3. User talk:Yug/Camera : to finish ;

yug

[edit] needs a diacritic

Hi,

Your equivalence png for zhuyin by similarities needs a diacritic over the E for the vowel sound of 也。 It should not be "e" but "ê". If that is a problem for you I can fix the png with my png editor. Patrick Edwin Moran (talk) 18:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re : Map standards

Hello Sting, I will have time to involve myself again on the Map standards creation. Yesterday, I improved the overview table (I still have some ideas). Today evening, I made some clean up to the page using the "{{Summarization}}" box.

I personnaly plan to focus my effort on some points only :

1. continue to rethink the map division on wikimedia to improve the overview table ;
2. continue the page clean up using the {Summarization} box (one more evening) ;
3. make some proposal for colored area (translucent layers to show an area)
4. create some tools (templates) ;

About the overview table, I added the German position maps to show what we can finally get, but I don't clearly understand what is the place of German maps, since thay don't use Orange.

I want also notice :

• as predictable, Commons being a "satellite wiki", I think the page is not enough active, only some non-french have voice their opinions ;
• most people seems to wait a fully finished ;
• Pro-English seems support brighter colors and the Planemad style ; in opposition with German who adopted your new proposal's soft colors and skip the orange !

...this trouble or lack of participation ead me to think that we should take a stronger leadership.

To take a stronger leadership :

1. we should more clearly state that your new global proposal is waiting comments and approval. We still can change some aspects. But silence will means approval.
2. we should now expand your proposal quickly and by ourselves, I will quickly voice some proposals.
3. we should make quickly arbitrary choices, we can't satisfy everyone [EN / DE&FR] in such so close proposals, we have to choice quickly to progress continously and keep everybody active.

PS: As I said before, I'm a little "out of the game", so please say me quickly if I misunderstood something. Yug (talk) 21:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC) Happy to be back to finish the work !

Hi Yug, really glad to see you´re back among us !!

I think we shouldn´t go too fast. I mean, let´s see how rolls the section about the general style and also now the one about the locator and location (geo-location) maps before initiate a discussion about thematic maps (historical, gradient, bio-diversity, etc.). If there´s not enough feedback on these first, no need to waste more energy here on other maps types.

For the German color scheme, take a look here.

Yes, there´s until now not much feedback here on Commons from the local WPs´ actors, specifically the WP-en one, turning it as a «satellite» page, as you wrote. It´s a pity as there´re almost only the -de, -en and -fr which are active in map creation. The WP-en continue slowly their discussion there, the contacts I had on WP-pt seem inactive... but all WPs with a Graphic Workshop where contacted...

I´m not sure forcing the acceptance of color schemes can be the solution on this page because if the local actors don´t voice their opinion here they will continue their business in their local WP without any consideration to these pages. Also, I´m not sure wanting to take any leadership in a semi-dictatorial decision about a standard, specially when I see the low rate of participation here: yes, I initiated the discussion here with a proposal, but as the end each one makes his maps the way he wants, regarding the energy it requires to establish a color scheme that could pretend turn a common standard and knowing how many other thematic schemes have still to be set, I´m loosing my faith.

One month now since that proposal was made, and very low results: the Germans gave feedback but took already inspiration of the -fr standard before; the English stay in their local WP; we don´t even speak about the other ones... I´m almost ready (I gave myself one month) to close the discussions here and continue it maybe (maybe not ?) on WP-fr. Too much energy put (wasted ?) trying to set standards and too few maps created and articles written... Maybe Sémhur´s proposition to use the «snowball effect» with WP-fr as core is the best way to handle this. The Franco-German bound seems also to carry high potential. That´s good, at least.

À bientôt. Sting (talk) 23:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, you are the boss :], I answered there, I was thinking about this issue the four last days, and I'm happy to see that we share the same opinion: the German idea is good, and the German team make a really constructive work, both helpfull and full of initiative ! Great. I'm surprised/astonished by their goodwill, map abilities, and initiatives, we will have to increase collaboration with them.

For the future of the project, I agree that we will need a "snowball effect", that's what my strong initiative policy proposal aimed to start : first say to people that we choice THAT (mid-dictatorial way), then they will react voicing their opinions, and we can and have to listen them. That's when I started to show support to the German style that Seav, and 2(?) other English graphist came to voice their opinions.

Anyway, personally, I have ideas for historical maps, (et je trépigne d'impatience !), but you are right : « First learn to walk, after only try to run. ». Accordingly, I will follow your advices and correct my involvement: I already made some little corrections to concentrate the talks on the general, locator, and geolocation maps styles, I will continue.

God ! I love this kind of talks ! ^__^y 62.147.248.245 14:21, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not sure you understood well what I was trying to say: I'm starting to be really tired of all of this because of the low participation and think strongly to disconnect myself from these discussions here. After closing properly the case on WP-fr, I'll simply continue to make maps the way I like. It's as simple as that. Sting (talk) 16:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Oui, le projet Greenspun me fait aussi doucement rigoler, même si je trouve ça bien triste. J'imagine la tête que doit faire ce mécène...

Une bonne nouvelle tout de même pour les didacticiels puisque en:User:JaneVannin a décidé de les traduire en anglais. Pour l'instant, un seul d'entre eux est terminé. J'espère qu'elle aura le courage de tous les faire.

À bientôt. Sting (talk) 20:34, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

If you want input from more users, why not use MediaWiki:Watchlist-details? I'm not sure it works on Commons, but on English Wikipedia it was quite useful to gather a lot of users when a standardization of templates was discussed.

[edit] TUSC token d88ecbf0eac23f611eda335ea4d11be8

Hello world. (Factice edit to get an TUSC account). Yug (talk) 14:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] French Arachnidae

See also google image.

• hogna radiata VS Lycosa narbonensis-top
• Agelena_labyrinthica right
• Tegenaria gigantea-top, left

[edit] Appt

Description rapide			Détails et autres frais					Contact	Autres
rue	€ loyer (+charges)	m² (total)	n. de chambres + surface des pièces	énergie	frigo (y/n)	internet (y/n)	meublée ?	phone/e-mail
rue St Catherine,	810€ (+90 €) = 450/p.	95m²	2 ch. +?+?	gaz individuel	?	?	non	05-5681-9371	entrée = 1+1 mois ; semble sécurisée.
Barrière de Toulouse	?€ loyer (+charges)	m²	3. ch. (11-11-12) 1salon (35) 1cuis. 1sdb.	?	?	?	non	05-??	bon état (cf photos), 1er étage, coté arr. cour.
Centre ville	1095€€ = 365/p.	t4 110m²	3ch. 2 sdb. 1cuis. +...	?	?	?	?	06-0714-4847

[edit] CJK Stroke Order Project

Hi Yug,

I've been trying to make sense of the COM:SOP and was wondering if you could shed some light on it. I know that you've left the project, but I'd really appreciate it if you could help me understand where the project stood when you left.

How up to date is Commons:CJK stroke order:Strategy?	(unclear. Not yet answered)
It asks users not to contribute to the kanji since there are still issues under discussion. Did that discussion come to a conclusion and where did it take place?	(unclear. Not yet answered)
Did that discussion center/touch on the issue of where Japanese users should upload their images to without sources to verify the simplified Chinese form?	(question not understood.)
SVG conversion: What is the status on the vector images and animations? I found Commons:CJK stroke order/SVG and the Category:Animated SVG but I'm still not sure about the details of the work already done.	Closed. 1. Health trouble: I planed to create 214 SVG radicals in Automn 2007. But my girlfirend get health trouble, which -combine to my studies and personnal situation-, all these combined pressure then also cause me some health trouble in November 2007. I tryed hard to keep this project in mind and moving, but my situation was really bad, and, eventually, my situation becoming worse, I had to withdrawed from many [all?] my free projects. 2. Wenlin were faster, better: I also discovered that the famous Wenlin institute had, actually, already the idea and made the ~40 strokes ->> 214 radicals ->> 50.000 characters (!!!!) in such good SVG, easy to animate, and easy to update since using fully SVG function such as embedding the strokes to create a radical, embedding the radicals to create a characters : you change the shape of a stroke, the change immediatly appear on all characters ! 3. No more free time: if all was fine, I had enough free time in Automn 2007. But all was far to be fine. Now, I don't have time to relaunch myself in a such time-consuming project, knowing that professionals (wenlin) already did it, and this project remembering to me that bad time, I haven't anymore the will to restart this task. 4. Currently: closed. Currently, the Commons:CJK stroke order/SVG is close because no one is working on it. I made the ~40 strokes, and some radicals (about 10), but no more, and don't plan to do more soon.

I understand that you may not have the time to answer these questions. I do appreciate the enormous amount of time and effort you've already put into this.

Sincerely, --Swift (talk) 06:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Regarding the kanji issue: The project currently doesn't support users who wants to upload a stroke order image for a Japanese character very well. Unless they have access to information about the simplified and/or traditional Chinese characters they can upload them to the Japanese variant filename, but that risks duplicating work. It seems we need some sort of infrastructure to organise which stroke orders have been validated for various things. There is a page on the simplified Chinese, but its scope doesn't extend to Japanese.

I'm going to think about this some more. I mentioned one idea to Wikic. We should probably move discussion to the project talk page. --Swift (talk) 05:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Map of East Asia

Phgysic Maps of East Asia

	Source	East Asia topographic map-fr.png New merge with mountains, rivers and Sea names !	East Asia satelite map.jpg Satelite view of the same area
East Asia topographic map-fr.png Shema.

Maps centered on China

Background...	Source.	Region New SVG version.	Source.
China ethnolinguistic 1967.svg New SVG version.	Source.	China agricultural 1986.svg New SVG version.	Source.
Source.	Source.

Because it was the first time I made such a big map, it took too much time. Here you are :) --KSiOM(Talk) 05:13, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your big thanks! :) Let me answer your questions, generating map was quite difficult to me. I learned from here and many other websites. I spent 1~2 hours generating the map, but shorter time is needed when making small map such as Korean Peninsula.(10 mins?) I still have not .xcf but .ai(for adobe illustrator) file. if you want to download it, let me know your e-mail address.:) --KSiOM(Talk) 21:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please respect maps

Do not remove the appropriate maps from the Costa Rica atlas again. Thank you. Rarelibra (talk) 12:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Does regional and sub-nationals maps should be include in NATIONAL atlas ? Make this clean up is a personnal opinion which I sincerely think better, include regional map is also according to an opinion. There is no disrespect, wiki is build edit after edit, talk after talk. For the moment, nothing show that your solution is better than mine. Regards, Yug (talk) 14:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I have contributed greatly to the atlas. The atlas was not set up for someone like you to make arbitrary "personal opinion" decisions as to editing the content. Look at other country entries and you'll see regional, etc maps - Costa Rica doesn't have as many because of the limited amount of entries (so far). So again - I am telling you NOT to remove maps from the atlas (or bring it up on the talk page). Thank you. Rarelibra (talk) 14:40, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

You are not "telling you NOT to remove maps from the atlas", you are explaining me, simply and for the first time, the way to work. = Accepted.

Yug (talk) 14:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't care how you look at it - don't start going around doing "your own thing" according to your "personal opinion" and not expect to have someone tell you NOT to do it. Cheers. Rarelibra (talk) 14:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you are free to don't care how I look at that, and free to send orders to other wiki volunteers. Other volunteers will react and request missing explanations (like I did), and you will lost time. Yes, that's your freedom, and that's my freedom to react and ask explanations.

Or you can care about, and send a 3 lines notifications like you finally did in your 2nd post. This will end the talk within 2 mins.

Do as you want for next cases. For our it's finish.

Regards,

Yug (talk) 15:33, 18 August 2008 (UTC) (PS: a/ "personal opinion [which I sincerely think better]" = en:Wikipedia:Be bold. b/ Your explanation = ok, I accept your revert.)

[edit] Couleurs Image Colibri

Salut,

Merci pour ta correction, je vais sûrement en apporter d'autres prochainement sur les couleurs (un petit filet de dégradés pour rendre le tout plus réaliste) dès que le demandeur aura donné son avis sur l'avancement actuel du travail. Karta24 (talk) 07:33, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Merci pour tes compliments et pour ta proposition de participation au projet Greenspun, qui me tente vraiment. Mais j'ai un peu du mal à m'y retrouver dans le projet et beaucoup de questions me traversent l'esprit: Qui peut prendre en charge des illustrations (n'importe qui? un contributeur quelconque, un professionnel de l'image? quel est le niveau de compétences nécessaire?)? Comment proposer sa participation et comment participer? Je te serais très reconnaissant de m'éclairer sur le sujet, même si je sais que tes contributions se font plus rares. A bientôt j'espère... Karta24 (talk) 14:48, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Qui: Tout le monde peu prendre une requete en charge.

Niv.: avoir le niveau de faire du bon travail, voir ton instincteur et la Category:Philip Greenspun illustration project, tous bien construit, mais qui ne sont pas nécéssairement hallucinant. Sting, walké, Sémhur, et quelques autres ont déjà fait chacun quelques images de ce niveau.

Prendre une requetes:

1. sur jira, choisir une requetes unassigned (facile...),

2. se creer un account sur Jira (LadyOfHats à posée la meme question, et on lui a indiqué cette page : https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/JIRA/Creating_an_account ).

3. signaler que tu souhaites prendre la requete en charge.

4. Brianna Laugher te l'a confie.

5. tu charge l'image sur commons et tu signales ton travail pour qu'il soit commenté ou accepté.

6. accepté = recompense associée.

Voilà tout ce que je sais.

Yug (talk) 22:29, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

J'ai finalement aussi répondu sur fr:Discussion_Wikipédia:Atelier_graphique/Images_à_améliorer#Greenspun_project_:_ca_tourne. Yug (talk) 22:47, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SVGTranslate

Hi Yug,

I noticed when you added it to the template, and yes, it did gave it increasing visibility and usage. Thank you :)

I have in my mind various upgrades already, however I can't really tell when will anything get done.

1. Automatic upload is something I have in mind, and I will see to have it done eventually. Thanks for pointing me to Luxo's tools, if possible, I will use his code.

2. Memory: Having a translation memory is easy on my part, however it would require that translators specify the target language beforehand, which some people may not like to do. 3. Correction of a SVG is already possible, as when you translate, you can "translate" to the same language. Simply change the word, save the SVG and you have the corrected SVG.

(By the way, when you don't type in a word, the original word remains used; is it obvious, or should I add that somewhere? Should perhaps SVGTranslate have documentation somewhere on Commons?)

For the rest:

Better design is fine, but what I'd really like to add is the ability to view SVG in one half of your screen while you are editing it in the other half.

Keeping score is only possible after the automatic upload. If you're interested, I could get you usage statistics until now. If you want to check if a specific file is translated with it, you can try opening the file and looking at its source - SVGTranslate adds a signature at the end.

I gave a speak about this topic at this year's Wikimania. You may be interested in seeing the video and the presentation. Nikola (talk) 18:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Ok for your projects ! (Automatic upload, Memory, Correction = GREAT !)

Design is just a small issue (a style), the idea of an instant preview is interesting. The "signature" in the end of the SVG may also be helpful for later.

New idea: submit propostions of SVG to translate: if you still have the list of all SVG already translate, it may be interesting to publish them to notify "HERE A TRANSLATABLE SVG". Even better : when a user make a EN->ES translation, you may submit him the names of SVGs which were already translate from EN->FR (and not into spanish).

Conventions: I also encourage you to propose the suffixes *-en.svg , *-de.svg, etc to your users. So yes, a little documentation on commons should be welcome. Notice me if you start a page.

Statistic to get support: I encourage you to share/publish your statistic of usage. In my personal opinion, the boss(s) of wikimedia underestimate the graphic issue, and the possibilities of development, especially for SVG , map conventions , tutorials creation and translations. So yes: publish your statistics to show them how your tool is use... when such initiative get a correct support and visibility.

Yug (talk) 20:19, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Image

Wikisation_of_images.pdf

O.O !!!! GENIAL !!!!!! AMAZING !!!!!

1. Do you have support from wikimedia's boss ? programmers ?

2. En encourage you to notice : Need_of_SVG_programmers_to_make_a_SVG_think_tank. Now, my conclusion is that Luxo, Arthur (see this http://gunn.co.nz/map/ !!! arthur @ gunn.co.nz) and you should set up a team, with "official" support from the leaders and the leading programmers.

I hope the way will be easy, and I hope that this will be possible.

Yug (talk) 21:56, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

There is support, Brion was on the presentation, and he liked the idea :) Nikola (talk) 06:30, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

And, here are the statistics:

     97 /Jan/
     84 /Feb/
    110 /Mar/
     34 /Apr/
     19 /May/
    171 /Jun/
    229 /Jul/
    266 /Aug/
    the 29 may : I added more visibility.

These are the numbers of times when someone clicked on "Submit Translation", but I can not know if a translation was actually uploaded somewhere. Nikola (talk) 06:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Noia 64 apps emacs.svg

Salut,

Deux problèmes à signaler sur cette image que tu as modifiée:
> Blanc de l'œil décalé sur le svg affiché par Firefox
> Yeux, bouche et nez disparus sur le png de 30px (cfr ce modèle)

Cordialement,

Karta24 (talk) 14:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Salut Karta ! Je rame, je n'aurais peut etre pas du uploadé mon travail. En SVG c'est améliorable et pas trop mal, mais le rendu sur wikimedia est vraiment .... décevant. T'aurais pas des idées ? d'où vient cette disparition bizarre de certaines parties ? Yug (talk) 15:24, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Yug3.png

Be careful, Image:Yug3.png was truncated. Try reuploading it. Platonides (talk) 00:31, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but it seems good right now. ;) Yug (talk) 00:34, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bandeau Atelier graphique

Salut,

Ce n'est qu'un petit détail, mais j'ai remarqué que sur mon template, tu avais remplacé le bandeau {{Graphic Lab|fr}} par l'ancien {{Atelier graphique}}, je pensais qu'il fallait utiliser le premier pour uniformiser les templates des différents graphic labs des wikis... non? Karta24 (talk) 09:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
PS: Oups, je viens seulement de voir ta réponse à Image:Noia 64 apps emacs.svg (je passe assez rarement sur mes pages de Commons), je vais y jeter un œil dès que possible ;)

J'aurais mieux fait de remarquer que tout s'affichait correctement avant d'écrire ça, désolé Karta24 (talk) 09:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah oui aussi, si tu as un peu de temps et surtout l'envie de t'y lancer, est-ce que tu pourrais donner ton avis sur la discussion que j'ai avec Dereckson sur l'upload par dessus l'original des images retouchées? Merci beaucoup. Karta24 (talk) 09:27, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

J'ai plutôt lancé la discussion sur la page de discussion de l'Atelier ;) Karta24 (talk) 09:58, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vi withdrawal

Hi Yug,

First of all welcome as a nominator at COM:VIC. I hope you will enjoy nominating images there.

Secondly; you do not have to do this when withdrawing a nomination. Just let it stay there, as there is a procedure for closure to be followed, which properly removes the candidate in a correct closed state, all assisted by VICbot. I will undo the edit now. This is just to tell you why I do that. Cheers, -- Slaunger (talk) 12:18, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Valued Image Promotion

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[edit] Source for map?

First of all, thanks for alerting me about the graphics lab! The pictures look great. Now for something I must bother you about:

Recently someone added this map to the article on Tang Dynasty. I noticed on the page for this image that there is not a proper source listed as to where these boundaries were discerned, i.e. a scholarly book or journal, preferably published by a university press. Do you remember exactly which source you used to create these borders in the map? Thanks.--PericlesofAthens (talk) 18:36, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Really simple : the Cambridge history of China, vol 6(?), Chap "Tang Taizong: The consolidator". I will add this information and [maybe] recreate the map in a better SVG version in the next months. Regards. Yug (talk) 18:39, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image rename

Sorry that I hadn't yet seen your latest comments on my talk page when I added my latest comments to Village Pump; however, user talk-page comments are not instantaneously-received real-time communication -- and your edits to my Village Pump comments were still "sunbstantive", and I still would have objected to them... AnonMoos (talk) 15:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Canada location map.svg

Je viens de me rendre compte que tu as beaucoup dégradé la carte (couleur de bordure ; contour). Cordialement STyx (talk) 23:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

Hi Yug

I didn't understood well your purposes. I'm intersted mainly to write articles about our life project in italian Wikipedia and I think that pictures and diagrams are very important for give help to users. But I'm a bad photographer. I enjoy painting with Gimp and Inkscape so, when I cannot take a photo I try to draw an image to improve contents of my articles. I'm very busy in it.wiki project because I'm a writer and sysop, so I can offer very small time in Commons. If I can help for something I try to do my part but it's too hard in that moment. Greetings --gian_d (talk) 00:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

About SVGs, I think it's very important choosing light colors as green and yellow, which are not hard to read. But it isn't easy choose a good color in foreground to get an enough contrast: red lines are not good because they aren't in contrast with yellow and green, black or dark blue are better but there is the problem that they confuse with drawing lines in the pictures.

Your macro scale is a good idea, so I think to use it in the future: p.a., yesterdays I've loaded a drawing of Image:Bocydium globulare.jpg, a small treehopper very curious. Drawing and macros are not useful without a scale: people can think that this treehopper are big insect, but it's very small and it isn't longer than 4 mm!

Another idea could be to load also original works in GIMP format structured with layers: see the difference between the Image:Bocydium globulare.jpg and Image:Bocydium globulare.xcf. The first is the final work, resized and with some filter applied, but it isn't good to improve it. The second is not a good file because has a bad layout and it is not supported by Web browsers, but other users can begin from it to improve the draw. Are you agree? greetings --gian_d (talk) 17:34, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

.xcf VS .jpg with history : I technically agree, but encourage user to work in xcf and to upload both .jpg and .xcf will not work. People contribute mainly to see their work quickly available. The old layout is not interesting for them, they will not waste time to provide them. Keep an xcf duplicata is not convenient enough. The best would be that Wikipedia (ImageMagic) understand .xcf, that's not the case.

SVG: yeap, I'm aware of this color issue. I think the best way is to pick up colors from previous good SVG, by example those from user:LadyofHats.

Macro: yeap, the scale is need. If you make some try, say me is it difficult for you to print an SVG ? should I provide a PDF instead of the current SVG ? are the dots soft enough ? etc. Each comments is helpful.

After, my opinion is that we have enough "free photographies" (free view, natural background) on wikipedia. But we also should have some technical photography => neutral white/black background + good view + scale , which them can allow accurate descriptions/recognition.

NB: I can add the scale myself to an image if you state the body's size of a pictured insect.

So, yeap, I agree, but we are limited in our technological tools. Afterwhat, I will try to do my best to provide helpful tutorial and "SVG tool boxes". We will see that in the next 6 months ;) Yug (talk) 19:19, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Tutorial-cartography_(basic).svg

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[edit] Here's your requested map

--KSiOM(Talk) 14:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Micheletb/Test

You're welcome :-) Platonides (talk) 20:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] radio

1. http://hichannel.hinet.net/
2. http://www.bcc.com.tw/prmcast.asp#
3. http://hitoradio.im.tv/showtime/onair_2.php#

[edit] Thank you

Thank you, of course it is nothing compared to your beautiful works.   ■ MMXX^talk  05:18, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Adoptfirefox.jpg

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[edit] Greater China, Chinese characters, and Mongolia

Hi, I removed Mongolia from two maps you created, Image:Map-Chinese Characters.png and Image:Map-Chinese World.png.

The reason in the case of the character map is that it is simply factually inaccurate - usage of Chinese characters for writing Mongolian was no more than marginal, by no means as significant as in Vietnam. There may exist some documents of Mongolian language written in Chinese characters (I personally know only of the Secret History of the Mongols, whose transcription into Chinese characters was most likely only done during the compilation of the official history of the Yuan Dynasty, i.e. after 1368), but the usual system for writing Mongolian has always been the so-called Uighur script, which is not related to Chinese characters.

My motive with that Greater China Map is more NPOV. I am aware that there may be no really clear-cut definition, but certainly at least most Mongolians would react quite strongly to being included in a "Chinese World". Also I wonder what is the basis for including Mongolia, but not, say, Nepal or Laos or Burma or countries with a large population of overseas Chinese like Malaysia or Indonesia. Yaan (talk) 16:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chinese character sources

Hi Yug,

Sorry to bother you again about the COM:SOP. I was just going through the sources pages and looking what was available. Apart from the stuff on Commons:CJK stroke order:Sources there are a few user pages of yours that also contain links and information. These are User:Yug/Sources, User:Yug/Stroke order according to national rules and User:Yug/Stroke order2.

I'd be interested in localising the information so that they'd be more easily updated. Are these links that you'd specifically like to have in their current form on your user sub-pages? I'm going to copy those that I reckon might be useful to the sources page, but wanted to ask you if you wanted to were interested in having a hand in the process and even replace the links on your sub-pages with a reference to the SOP sources page, rather than having duplicate reference pages in several places.

Thanks, --Swift (talk) 06:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey Yug,

I noticed you had User:Yug/Sources deleted. I found a few of the many links on that page interesting, though not necessarily of all that much value for this project. Was the content on this page really redundant? Might it be worth while to ask an admin to temporarily restore the page or just send me the page contents? --Swift (talk) 17:34, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

No redundant, simply not reliable. The reliable sources are already on Commons:Stroke Order Project/Sources

1. the Taiwanese ministery website ; 2. no need website for japan, since the rule is "follow logic and for unclear cases do as you want" ; 3. the Mainland order is widely display on the web, I though that the Commons:Stroke Order Project/Sources page already have its favorite mainland source.

The page have been delete by Túrelio , you are free to ask him to restore the page, and to move the page to your user space. Yug (talk) 17:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] silk-like icons

Category:Silk-like icons user:Newresid

[edit] Image:China-Historic macro areas.svg

Spelling: "Manchuria", "SoutherN", "margINS", "had widely copIED and adaptED Chinese" (not "Chineses").

Also, "Heart" should be "heartland",and the word "seized" can have negative connotations... AnonMoos (talk)

Noticed, thanks for your kind corrections. --Yug (talk) 12:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chinese Calligraphy Schemes

Hi Yug, sorry that my French is not good enough to write to you in that language; i have also my troubles in English, but I want to tell you: You made really fine svg-pictures of Chinese calligraphy; they would be even better if you correct 2 small items.

At Image:Chinese calligraphy scheme 03-en.svg it might be better to write "beginner" instead of "begginer" - it is wrong that way twice.

At Image:Chinese calligraphy scheme 02-en.svg the looking of the seal image (at the foot of the seal) should be seen as from a mirror. This may be a lot of work to do in SVG. Much easier will be to write "foot" instead of "feet", if you agree that this is more correct.

Good luck with your further work & images! Sarang (talk) 17:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

They are, indeed very nice. Further text suggestions on Image:Chinese calligraphy scheme 03-en.svg:

"gridded for beginners"

"Traditionally, Chinese calligraphy is written in columns from left to right"

"The main text is in one particular style, while the stamp area often uses an ancient style (such as Xiaozhuan) with writing in smaller characters."

"A red signature stamp appears at the end of the page."

"Stamp area: author's name, the date and signature stamp

I'm personally no big fan of Camel Caps such as in Image:Chinese calligraphy scheme 02-en.svg, but both images are really good enough for these comments to be unnecessary. They do an excellent job of illustrating their point. Thanks again for your hard work. --Swift (talk) 06:36, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. ;) -- Yug (talk) 16:53, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Corrections made

Chinese calligraphy scheme 02-en.svg

=> The seal foot should be seen as from a mirror. :  Done

2. feet => "foot" :  Done (declined or explain more, since "one feet, 2 foot" if I remember my English teachers' words.)

Oh no, it is just the contrary, believe wiktionary: singular is foot, and plural is feet. Sarang (talk) 13:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh... O.ó ... Damn... I will correct it soon. Yug (talk) 15:50, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Done, thanks for your corrections. -- Yug (talk) 11:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Chinese calligraphy scheme 03-en.svg  

 Done

All done, except one (declined, see below).

=> "gridded for beginners"

=> "Traditionally, Chinese calligraphy is written in columns from left to right"

=> "The main text is in one particular style, while the stamp area often uses an ancient style (such as Xiaozhuan) with writing in smaller characters."

=> "A red signature stamp appears at the end of the page." =>> DECLINED, I had kept "A red stamp end the page", since : 1. I'm limited in space ; 2. the "stamp=signature" is explain in the "Stamp area" notice.

Hi Yug, if you write "A red stamp ends the page", it will fit into the space and will follow the English rule that requires an "s" in that case for verbs in 3rd person. It means the same as e.g. "A red stamp is ending the page" but fits better into your space.

As I just see, "Each character fits within a virtual square." is the same case with missing "s". --Sarang (talk) 11:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

=> "Stamp area: author's name, the date and signature stamp"

All is fixed, thanks for your corrections. -- Yug (talk) 11:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

China-Historic macro areas.svg 

 Done

=> "Manchuria",

=> "SoutherN",

=> "margINS",

=> "had widely copIED and adaptED Chinese"

"Heart" => "heartland"

"seized" (negative) => conquest

I added "never firmly control" All is fixed, thanks for your corrections. -- Yug (talk) 11:06, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] fr:Wikipédia:Atelier graphique/Images à améliorer/Archives/Janvier 2009

Salut,
Comme tu n'as pas donné de nouvelles sur l'Atelier graphique pour l'importation, j'ai uploadé l'image modifiée sous le nom "Dorcus parallelipipedus 6views", j'espère que ça te convient, sinon fais-moi signe ;) Ah oui, et si tu pouvais peut-être étoffer la description du fichier (licence sinon suppression, légende, catégories, etc...) ce serait cool, merci :) Karta24 (talk) 17:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Still looking for help??

Yug, mon ami, I have been away from Wikipedia for many months, and I see that you posted a request on my Talk page: User_talk:MapMaster#Historical_map_review_need. Do you still need help?

My apologies for the slow response. MapMaster (talk) 22:07, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Horizontale Presse wiki hsm.png

Hm, since I didn't upload that file (but instead had already tagged it myself!), I wonder why you notified me... which tool did you use for the notification? Lupo 12:39, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey, no problem. I just wondered if we had some JS tool somewhere that by mistake would notify the last person who edited the page, instead of the last uploader. Lupo 15:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Move of File:占-order.gif

Hi Yug,

User:Multichill told me you asked for this file to be moved from File:占-jorder.gif. None of the traditional/simplified Chinese lists links to any of File:占-order.gif^links File:占-bw.png^links Category:占^links while the Japanese do. Is it also a Chinese character? Is the it correct as a Chinese stroke order? --Swift (talk) 07:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

占占 [zhan1] /divine/

The former structure was to put every thing in -order.gif (including character which are only found in Japan, Vietnam, etc), and then duplicata with a 2nd specific stroke order in their need place : -torder.gif, or -jorder.gif .

If you have change this strategy, big sorry, I was not aware.

Some check point statements:

• I stopped to work on the SO project also because we have NOT the tools to manage a such database : 1. renaming, uploading, deletion stay frankly difficult and time consuming (and that got worse with time -___- ); 2. a protected table write by an identifiable 'expert' is need to confirm or deny the existence of a specific stroke order, 3. and this table should also state the existence/absence of all need files on commons.
• The Wenlin institute have done, in SVG format, the cuting of 50.000 characters, since assisted by specially coded programs helping to do so. This SVG may easely produce ALL the stroke order project just by some few scripts. In sum: they are Gods, and we are a bunch courageous cuty Cockroach ;__;
• Just, for fun, I still plan/hope to work on the SVG project, for the radicals... but nothing is sure, since It's a complex work to be done in a strickly coded style, by one trustable user alone,... and that I'm frankly tired -___-

Sorry for the bad news. Yug (talk) 10:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I just noticed Commons talk:Stroke Order Project/Roadmap‎ by yourself (Swift) and Tauwasser. So much enthusiasm encourage me to restart my SVG work. I will set a new SVG tuto this sunday ! See you. Yug (talk) 00:28, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Great! :-D I'll put up a link to direct any potential collaborators your way. --Swift (talk) 03:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

After some input from the Village Pump I decided to change the setup a bit, putting all variants up at their own name or a redirect to a shared character. As long as the character has that simplified stroke order, there's no problem.

I had already become aware of the limitations of managing a wiki based database of these images (thank god Commons:Rename is coming soon to an admin near you). I'd actually considered constructing an off-Commons interface to handle these. For now, I'm just trying to organise the existing content. For verification, I was inspired by the stroke order code in the Kangxi radical progress lists. None of it is guaranteed, but this is a wiki after all.

I had also found mentions of the Wenlin software, but it doesn't run natively on Linux so I haven't actually seen their images. I also assume that they don't have the Japanese styles. Would you recommend officially retiring or freezing part of the project?

The project still has useful content (you guys did some really great work). The kana have complete sets of BW images and the bopomofo are nearly complete in both BW and red gradients. I started my work here largely for the sake of the b:Japanese wikibook. It is still very basic so there is no need for a complete set of characters. Confirming which of the existing characters have proper Japanese orders should provide us with a nice starter set. Editing images with slight variations shouldn't be too difficult, either. --Swift (talk) 03:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Interest: Yes, sure, the commons PNG-gif SO project stay interesting for wikipedia, but is definitively limited (no tools->no time ; + no trustable).

Limiting the scope: I would recommend to limit the work on the radicals ONLY (bw;order;red) [+ then the 1000 most used characters ONLY (bw)].

Afterwhat->SVG?: Afterwhat, to make an infinitively expandable database, no way: we have to switch to SVG, embeded SVG technology, protected table databases, and leave commons to work on our own PC (files easy to edit & rename, not vandalisable work).

If I remember well, the only way to make a good/perfect work is ONE USER ALONE converting the full set of radicals into strokes based SVG. But I will rethink this SVG project Sunday [=I have free time sunday]: a clear tutorial may [maybe] allow a collaboration with other trusted users.

Bye~ Yug (talk) 13:10, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

"Trustable": Do you have concerns about this beyond how dependable wikis are?

Limiting the scope: I'll pass this on. Is there a reason for the 1000 character cutoff? Is that just an arbitrary number to limit the scope to something manageable?

"Afterwhat, to make an infinitively expandable database, no way": Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean.

SVG: Right now, I'm currently just interested in organisation and accessibility of the available content (largely for the wikibook). I do, however, fully support the push for SVGs. About two and a half years back when I was playing around with SVGs, I looked into making stroke order graphics, but got sidetracked before getting anywhere. I was especially interested in the idea of creating a semi-automatic system to generate these graphics files.

What is it about the work that makes it a single-contributor task? I would think that with SVGs it should be even less of a problem than with the bitmapped formats. For better or worse, I doubt there will be too many demanding to share the burden.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you after Sunday. Have a good weekend. --Swift (talk) 14:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Reliable: Yeap, the reliable issue is a concern for me. (I have wiki-grow up :] )

1.000 ?: the radicals say almost EVERY THINGS on stroke order. But, in case, lets go for the 1000 first too (M4RC0 already done 1.300, there are just some holes)

English: "Afterwhat, to make an infinitively expandable database, [we have] no [other] way [that] to go on other technologies (SVG....)"

SVG alone: ALL the SVGs will have to be correctly coded to allow later script convertions. This ask that only trustable users work on this project, with an leader to check one by one the code of the files. Previously, I was the only one able + wishing to do so. Moreover, collaboration may request more time consuming talks that the help that will provide. -> I will likely have to work alone.

SVG database : I will also think about an new database, probably such as :

沾 [D-D-T-S-H-S-HZ-H] {aaabbccc} (a) \bc\
Hanzi [stroke decomposition] {radical decomposition} (ethimologic part) \phonetic part\

But I have to think about en:brain fuck cases such 我，識，成 (the H is a merge of 2 ancient H, and sementically belong to 2 radicals 手 AND 戈)

Anyway ! I have to sleep and I will talk about this sunday ! See you Yug (talk) 16:08, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome back

It is nice to see you back to this family. I have not been active as I used to be since I would have to work hard to get a seat of bachelor's degree. However, I would like to give you assistance if you request any. Just send me email if you want. Do put it down and relax if you think it makes you suffocate. Best wishes, Chanueting (talk) 14:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I would like you to give some advice on the missing radicals on Commons_talk:Ancient_Chinese_characters/214_radicals. Thank you. Chanueting (talk) 09:51, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

You are right, you could notice that I am not as active as I used to be. I do want to put down our projects on Commons. However, I still could not find one to continue our works. Well, relax! Do what you like, put effort on some wiki projects if and only if you are out of work. We should spend more time outdoor instead of sitting in front of the stupid machines. Get out of time killing wiki works! There are many beautiful things at our sides. Happy Lunar New Year. Chanueting (talk) 14:19, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Please link images

BotMultichillT 06:27, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

• Image:卩-black.svg is uncategorized since 25 January 2009. BotMultichillT 06:27, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
• Image:China-1900-en.svg is uncategorized since 12 February 2009. BotMultichillT 06:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
• Image:Yugtest.svg is uncategorized since 22 February 2009. BotMultichillT 06:38, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
• Image:父師善誘法 p.26 to 29.png is uncategorized since 8 March 2009. BotMultichillT 06:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
• Image:Swine influenza symptoms on swine-fr.svg is uncategorized since 2 May 2009.
• Image:Swine influenza symptoms on swine-en.svg is uncategorized since 2 May 2009.
• Image:Transition from Sui to Tang family tree.svg was uncategorized on 6 September 2009.
• Image:火-b.png was uncategorized on 6 September 2009.
• Image:Scim kcontrol with Kubuntu 8.10.png was uncategorized on 6 September 2009.
• Image:Queue de rat.png was uncategorized on 6 September 2009.
• Image:Yug 2004's tour.png was uncategorized on 6 September 2009.
• Image:ACC SVG tutorial.png was uncategorized on 6 September 2009.
• Image:SVG Stroke order-01.svg was uncategorized on 6 September 2009.
• Image:Guadeloupe-CIA WFB Map.svg was uncategorized on 6 September 2009.
• Image:Kubunto 7.04 install mount partitions.jpg was uncategorized on 6 September 2009.
• Image:Map-BD Comics Manga.png was uncategorized on 6 September 2009.
• Image:China-Grand canal, Sui and Tang.svg was uncategorized on 6 September 2009.
• Image:Yug mail.png was uncategorized on 6 September 2009.

I have read the site you have shown me. However, the site seems not to be release copyright as CC licenses instead of a questionnaire. I would like to send the official a mail to inquire the license the department is using. Chanueting (talk) 16:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Frequency order list

Hi again, Yug. I was just wondering if you had any recollection (or even a link to) where you found the frequency list that Commons:Stroke Order Project/Simplified Chinese progress (see the page history for previous names) is based on? --Swift (talk) 04:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

You can select the 6 first and look for in google ;)

I copied this list there, BUT, I noticed that this list seems wrong compare other list, my list miss 8 character every 35 characters. --Yug (talk) 07:38, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

You mean, select the six most commonly used characters in the Chinese language and google them? Really? Neither this nor that gave me much better results.

Sorry for bothering you with seemingly trivial questions. Given how much work you put into this project, I figured you might have weighed a few different options when deciding on which source to use for the list. Positively identifying the source would be difficult as lists may contain errors and aren't static. Rather than waste time duplicating your work, I thought it best to ask you first. No worries. It's not a big deal. --Swift (talk) 08:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

This actually gives some results, but this is hardly high enough on my to-do list to look into that now. --Swift (talk) 08:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking to this, I was unclear, sorry. But this list being corrupted, I need to look for a better source. Yug (talk) 16:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] COM:SOP To do

I noticed the to-do list you added to the project talk page. Do you have a particular reason why you placed it there rather than add it to the Commons:Stroke Order Project/Roadmap?

My preference for the roadmap is that it has its own talk page for discussion about specific items. Simple to-do lists tend to be terse and useful only for those who know what they are about. As there are a lot of things to be done on this project, I feel they deserve a full page onto themselves.

I've added a few items that you mentioned on the road-map. I left out:

• Gamy's images: They will get deleted in due course.
• Updating SOlicense: Might as well go on Template:SOlicense.

Take care. Nice to see you back on the project. Looking forward to hearing from you on the SVG front. --Swift (talk) 08:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

This page aim to list the "maintenance task" we have to do, and, also, show that the SO project need an admin. See you Yug (talk) 10:25, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I see. Do you have a particular reason why maintenance tasks are better placed there than the road-map, for example? --Swift (talk) 11:01, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

That's not the project progression, so that can be separate. But that can be together too. I no more the main user on the SO project, so feel free to do what you think best. Moreover, I often edit too quickly, without being aware of new pages you create. i.e., for this case, I was aware of the roadmap page, but had never read it completely. Looking at it again, I notice that you already have include such "maintenance/correction" tasks. Sorry for my mistake. don't hesitate to revert me.

I still think a todo list should appear in the project main talkpage. It may be interesting to divide the road maps into "Important key points and <noinclude>all other points</noinclude>", which will allow to use the road map page as a todo template to display in the main talk page.

Don't hesitate to revers me directly when you notice a misleading edit I did.

Regards, Yug (talk) 11:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Unidentified Insects

I hope these insects weren't already identified, but...

• File:Yug?1.jpg is a Robber fly, most likely, though hard to identify, is Proctacanthus brevipennis.
• File:Yug?1.svg is a field cricket, Gryllus campestris, I bred this species myself.
• File:Yug?2.jpg & File:Yug?3.jpg are eaither house flies or face flies.
• File:Yug4.jpg might be Campiglossa genalis, but I can't tell for sure.
• file:Yug5.jpg is a Wolf Spider (Hogna carolinensis).

If you want to that me, do so on my talk from my wikipedia page, bugboy52.4,

Bugboy52.4 (talk) 19:50, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] About the stroke project

Actually it wasn't hanja I wanted to contribute to, but actually Hangeul characters. I was wanting to do some animated images showing the stroke order. As far as Hanja, I assume it's the same stroke order as traditional(old style) Chinese no? I'm half Korean btw, not full but I've been here in Korea studying. My project is at http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki/ and I figured I could contribute to the stroke order project as well, as long as I feel I can make the images as good as the other people.

By the way I saw some of the images you posted and they look awesome. Bluesoju (talk) 02:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I replied to you on my discussion page Bluesoju (talk) 06:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Cartes

Merci pour le lien ! Mon problème est résolu, mais je sens que je vais bientôt avoir de nouveau besoin des spécialistes. Pruneau^talk 12:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Your opinion and Critique for Image

Hey Yug, I made an image for a Korean character, but it's probably not up to the Stroke Order Project standards yet, so I was hoping you could let me know how to better improve it so that I might submit some characters in the future. http://www.koreanwikiproject.com/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Giuk_stroke.gif

Please reply on my page. I have already asked Swift to do the same.

Thanks Bluesoju (talk) 15:51, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

That's nice for a start ! note that :

• you can still improve a little, for this, look slowly at Micheletb work, and talk with him.
• file should be name : ㄱ-order.gif
• you can use images from en:Hangeul#Stroke_order to help you, or create ㄱ-bw.png images as well

Cheer,

Yug (talk) 17:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I am currently talking to Micheletb right now and trying to get some advice from him on how to make mine better and more suitable for the project. It's pretty sad two sections for images for Hiragana and Katakana are done, yet theirs only 1 character done for Hangeul. Somebody's gotta do it right? So I guess that's another reason why i'd like to contribute once I get my images looking better.

Also about the reply from the professor, this week was finals week for them, so I should get a reply in the next few days hopefully. I'll keep you up to date. Bluesoju (talk) 09:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Commons:Rename Image

Hi. What was wrong with Commons:Rename rather than Commons:Rename Image? I would note that the feature isn't merely for moving images so simply calling the page Commons:Rename (or similar) would seem preferable. Adambro (talk) 11:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Do as you want. We are on wiki. The function is, If I'm correct, name "Rename Image". Yug (talk) 16:55, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Great Work!

Hi Yug I think what you're doing is really great. It can be very useful to know a foriegn language, even if you only know a tiny bit. Keep up the good work Fireandearth (talk) 20:13, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the support... I still try to get some collaborators: I fill pretty lonely on this project.~ You encouragements are welcome ! Yug (talk) 20:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Markakol map-ru.svg

What do you means by "spacing" issue ? Yug (talk) 13:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Please compare PNG (rendered with Inkscape) and SVG version. Just below big lake in center, there is a mountain range - хребет Азутау. Letter spacing is different in PNG (as in Inkscape) and SVG (in Firefox there is not letter spacing, also this text is not rendered in preview in commons). Thank you --Mikhail2009 (talk) 20:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Maps template-ru.svg

Thank you for fixing its size, I have no idea why Illustrator makes it so huge. As you noticed I've also reorganised and added several other symbols (Channels and mountain passes). Though there might be a little problem here now, the words are broken into separate letters, and it'll be impossible to drag and edit them later. And in general the whole file is just a complete frustration for me, I can't figure out why while I am using the same fonts, they actually turn out different (Pacific ocean and Тихий океан). Several symbols just won't stay in their places and jump around (city marks, Jewish buildings symbol). --Ahnode (talk) 18:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Full

Hello, you created Template:Full. What's this template good for? --Slomox (talk) 15:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Swine flu

Thank you, I'll proceed to update the translation... I was wondering how a pig will feel nausea :P Kindly, Linfocito B | Greetings from Colombia! 23:40, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Swine influenza symptoms on swine-num.svg

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[edit] Derivation Of Katakana Characters Pictures

Hi,

From the original:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/Katakana_origine.png

to

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Katakana_origine.svg

I noticed a few mistakes:

The last (bottom) stroke in the top radical in the kana for "sa" in the svg is highlighted red. That is incorrect

"te" also has a problem: the length of the descending left stroke between the horizontal strokes are highlighted red. This is also incorrect. Can you amend the svg, upload, replace, delete the links to the files in the corresponding articles (wikipedia and anywhere else), and copypasta? Thanks.174.3.103.39 04:58, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] OGG

• http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/Gallery.php?wikifam=commons.wikimedia.org&img_user_text=Stlemur

[edit] Chinese_calligraphy_scheme_03-en.svg

The image Chinese_calligraphy_scheme_03-en.svg contains an error. It says that characters are written in columns from left to right. It should be right to left. Asoer (talk) 04:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Correction done, not yet upload. --Yug (talk) 17:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Oops. I didn't see this. I made some corrections and uploaded a new version already. Feel free to revert. Asoer (talk) 00:45, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Somehow it's not appearing right. I assume you'll take care of it with your upload. Asoer (talk) 22:23, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Beta

Help (silk icon 16 px)

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Proposal (svg 22px)

Format-ulist.svg	Format-ulist.svg	Format-big.svg	Format-small.svg

Size: 22px ;

Do also: increase, decrease size. Yug (talk) 17:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Space bodies which may host life.svg

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[edit] File:Satellites in the habitable zone.svg

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--GabrielVelasquez (talk) 20:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Taiwan insects

• Hunchong tujian >1400 especes / photos / nom en latin / description chinoise
• http://www.tesri.gov.tw/english/E_species.asp
• http://www.gio.gov.tw/info/ecology/English/bow_e/butterfly_e/butterfly_e.htm
• http://taiwanflora.sinica.edu.tw/en/en_1.htm
• http://www.camacdonald.com/birding/asiataiwan.htm
• http://digiarch.sinica.edu.tw/en_index.jsp
• http://gaga.jes.mlc.edu.tw/9701bx/in94.htm lplus petits insectes / nom et leur classification (parfois douteuse)

• http://taibnet.sinica.edu.tw/
• http://gaga.jes.mlc.edu.tw/new23/cp021.htm
• http://freebsd.tspes.tpc.edu.tw/~afu/

[edit] ello

I noticed that you are progressing animations, vector animations and that these are preferred. I have GIMP but am only a novice user. I am wanting to create animations for Tibetan letters and ligatures and maybe words. I would appreciate any advice you may give me because I am flying blind.
Cheers
B9 hummingbird hovering (talk) 08:31, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Asilidae member (AU)-left 01.jpg

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[edit] File:Asilidae member (AU)-right 01.jpg

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[edit] About File:Map-BD Comics Manga.png

BD is only in France and Belgium I think. In Italy they are fumetto, Germany has its own comic-culture too (I think), but its not that important. I don't know whats the Situation in Spain. Maybe you should only tag France, Belgium and Italy. Greetings --Don-kun (talk) 10:17, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] File:Table katakana.jpg

Hi! There are two incorrect stroke orders in the image. メ and ヲ. The correct stroke order is [1] and [2]. It would be grateful if you could upload an image with correct strokes. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 06:25, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, forget about my request. The image was fixed. See this. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 14:20, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Please help replace this outdated license

Hello!

Thank you for donating images to the Wikimedia Commons. You have uploaded some images in the past with the license {{PD}}. While this was a license acceptable in the early days of Wikimedia, since January 2006, this license has been deprecated and since October 2008 no new uploads with this license was allowed.

The license on older images should be replaced with a better and more specific license/permissions and you can help by checking the images and adding {{PD-self}} if you are the author or one of the other templates that you can see in the template on the image page.

Thank you for your help. If you need help feel free to ask at Commons talk:Licensing or contact User:Zscout370.

The images we would like you to check are:

• File:Danger.png

BotMultichillT 21:25, 8 January 2010 (UTC)