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Old manual pump in Fetonte Place Crespino, province of Rovigo [add]



The Charinsert extension is installed but I can't find its management in the Gadgets. In Wikipedia and Wikisource, I added a row of "User" characters and strings but here it doesn't seem to work. User:Ineuw/common.js -- 01:28, 21 June 2014 User:Ineuw

image annotations broken[edit]

I noticed that adding annotations does not work correct. The Gadget-ImageAnnotator always adds |h=undefined| (h = height) so that there is no box but only a 0 or 1 px horizontal line for annotations, eg. see [1] how it happens. Can someone fix this please? Holger1959 (talk) 13:58, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Schau mal hier. -- Maxxl² - talk 14:04, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Auwei, that looks bad (lot of users know the problem for several days already). So if Krinkle is not active who else can help? Must be someone who understands this gadget. Maybe a developer?
I think we need help with finding all images with this sort of broken annotations. Holger1959 (talk) 15:33, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Only those edited recently show the fault. As it is obvious to the editor immediately after implementation I guess there is no need for such an action. -- Maxxl² - talk 15:45, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Any Commons sysop could do it. As already mentioned in the relevant talk page, they could begin by correcting the line 645 in the page MediaWiki:Gadget-ImageAnnotator.js. It is just one letter to remove to fix the typo in the line. I really don't know if that will fix the problem, but it can't hurt to fix that broken line anyway. Hopefully, it will be enough to repair the gadget. If not, they could just revert the whole thing to the state where it was before Krinkle broke it. Krinkle seems to believe that his code is cooler or whatever, but from the point of view of users it just not useful to have pretty code if the tool doesn't work. It's better to have the good old code and a tool that works. -- Asclepias (talk) 16:48, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Addendum: Jmabel just fixed it [2]. Thank you! -- Asclepias (talk) 16:53, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
thank you all for the comments and Jmabel for fixing! Holger1959 (talk) 17:13, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
@Asclepias: Just to clarify a few things. I have no interest in "cool" code. Applications require maintenance to keep up with changes in the industry. In our case there are three factors relevant that drove me to update the gadget: 1) Browsers change, 2) jQuery changes, 3) MediaWiki changes. Keeping the old code as it is will not work forever! One of these days the entire gadget is going to be broken without having changed a single thing because it is relying on obsolete functionality that will change in web browsers, in jQuery, or MediaWiki. It'll do you no good to have a gadget that once worked on MediaWiki 1.16 in Firefox 4 when all your users have upgraded to Firefox 32 on a wiki now running MediaWiki 1.24. These kind of changes are generally a good thing, as they improve things (simpler, faster, better language support, compatible with newer browsers, etc.). And they're announced months ahead of time (on wikitech-l, mediawiki-l and wikitech-ambassadors mailing lists). Usage of deprecated features is also detected in the browser developers' console. Commons is one of few wikis with the luxury of various users experienced in javascript dedicated to keeping gadgets up to date. However there are still certain "large" gadgets that developers tend to avoid because they're so large and complex. ImageAnnotator is one of those. While updating it to accommodate for changes in the environment, I updated the coding style along the way because it makes a big difference in maintainability and readability to have consistently formatted code. It's like a dialect or accent in spoken language. One could learn any dialect, but it's much more productive to convert it to a dialect known by the developers active in the community today (incl. myself). The majority of our scripts and gadgets here on Commons are already written this way. The original maintainer(s) are no longer available to maintain it, so keeping it in that "dialect" only makes it harder others to work on it. So yes, I took it upon myself to try and update it before it's too late. In doing so I kept testing it to ensure it works properly and in the end made a stupid typo and typed 'sh' instead of 's' in an identifier string. I didn't revert it when I heard it was broken, I instead installed the old version as a separate gadget and disabled the new v3 gadget so that we can continue to work further on the new version. –Krinkletalk 17:10, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
@Krinkle: Of course, the words from Asclepias (to this changes) were a bit amateurish, but it was also unprofessional not to correct the obvious detected fault immediately. (PS: I found another small fault in one of your scripts, which I'll tell you later over a different way) User: Perhelion (Commons: = crap?)23:57, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Filtering Latest files[edit]

Hello, is there any way to filter Special:NewFiles? Every once in a while, we have experienced users uploading huge amounts of images that don't really require checking. Hiding them would make patrolling new uploads much more convenient. I vaguely remember that there was something like "recent uploads by new users" but all I can find is Special:Contributions/newbies, which doesn't have thumbnails. --El Grafo (talk) 09:28, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

It isn't updated in real time, but I think you're looking for User:OgreBot/Uploads by new users. darkweasel94 10:01, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
I always use -- Rillke(q?) 10:02, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
added a bit for now :) --Steinsplitter (talk) 19:39, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
right now on special:listfiles, we have filter out bots button. Maybe we should also have filter out autopatrol (as a rough marker of who is "new"). Bawolff (talk) 19:38, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
That would be truly helpful for Commons. Though, on Special:ListFiles, I can't discover a bot-filter; only on Special:NewFiles. -- Rillke(q?) 08:03, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh dear, I had completely forgotten about this. Thanks for the answers! --El Grafo (talk) 14:01, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Category:Featured pictures on Wikipedia, Malaysian[edit]

Does this belong at Category:Featured pictures on Wikipedia, Malay? --Auntof6 (talk) 21:13, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd say so, since the Malay Wikipedia is Malaysian (the Indonesian Wikipedia is also a variant of Malay). --ghouston (talk) 23:18, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Fixed, it was a template issue. --ghouston (talk) 03:50, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Funding for expenses needed, estimated $30 for 100,000 high quality files to be released on Commons[edit]

Could someone like to suggest the best way to get a quick funding commitment to pay postage expenses of an estimated £20 or £30? It looks like to get 100,000 high resolution images uploaded I will need to post 2 small USB hard disks from the UK to WMF operations in the US. To get a grant from the WMF would probably mean using meta:Grants:IEG, which appears takes months. For reasons out of my control I am not a member of Wikimedia UK, my local chapter, and the chapter will only give grants to members. I have asked the GLAM supplying the images but this seems a bit lost in their systems for small expenses like this.

I'm planning to post off the first disk on Monday (28th), and can keep the receipt to claim it back later, so at this stage I just would like some authoritative commitment that the expenses will be covered and I'm not rich enough to just write these sorts of cost off. The deadline I'm aiming for to get the project under way on Commons is around 4th August, so we can 'officially' launch this at Wikimania. As you might expect from an experienced batch uploader, in the background categorization and other issues are being sorted out.

By the way, I have no doubt that the WMF would like to cover these sorts of teeny initiatives that create bags of high quality project content in return, but I'm not aware of any existing process that makes this easy to sort out that would not demand more of my time on bureaucracy than I will spend sorting out the disk and posting it off (copying the data, packaging, going to the post office, might take 2 hours of my time).

PS I'm going to be at Wikimania, so a really cheap way of paying me expenses would be to do so in cash, in person. For an organization like the WMF, transferring money around might cost as much as the amount in expenses I would like to claim. -- (talk) 16:43, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

, what's the subject? Every now and again, I run across someone who is willing to pay for things out of their own pockets, if it's in their favorite subject areas. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:25, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
The history of medicine. Smile fasdfdsfoiueire.svg I don't really want to officially announce it yet, but anyone interested in the nitty-gritty can look at the bugzilla ticket or have a look at the early test uploads.
It would be nice if this were to set an example of how those of us active on global Commons projects could get small expenses paid for, so my preference would be if a Wikimedia group could work out how to cover this. Failing that, yes a kind individual sending me some money through Paypal might be the way to get stuff done. -- (talk) 17:48, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
I agree that figuring out a standard way for small projects like this would be good. For this particular task, you already mention transferring the reimbursement funding at Wikimania, why not instead just bring the device itself and hand it off? DMacks (talk) 19:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
I suggest you bring the volumes to Wikimania and throw them on a sysadmin of your trust perhaps even someone from OPS will be there. I also agree that there should be a venue to get reimbursement for such small expenses with less hassle and bureaucracy. Did you already ask Janice Tud? If someone knows how to, she will! -- Rillke(q?) 21:12, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Actually, we have arranged for me to get the first disk back at Wikimania, so postage is only for UK→US with it coming back informally by hand. The idea is to get the uploads underway (or done, though probably with categorization improvements needed) before Wikimania, so that it can both be "announced" plus be used as a significant batch upload case study to discuss. -- (talk) 21:30, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Perfect, . Give me a day or two, but plan to be mailing that ASAP. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:15, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Sure will fund. Will hand you cash at Wikimania. James Heilman, MD (talk) 21:35, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Kushti, thanks James. This is the second offer to cover costs Smile fasdfdsfoiueire.svg, so there's plenty of happy interest in my little volunteer project. It may be that the WMF or the GLAM in question will want to cover expenses by the time we reach Wikimania (which is a more repeatable process for other Commons projects), but I'll keep receipts and shamelessly tap you for a score or a bertie at Wikimania if the bigger boys do not pull through by then. -- (talk) 21:55, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Update Disk posted off today, see bugzilla:67477. Royal Mail charged me £9.75. I'm discussing the potential next disk. -- (talk) 16:45, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

July 26[edit]


If I have pictures I've taken myself that I want to upload to both Commons and Flickr, is there a "best practice" for how to do this? Should I upload to Flickr first, and then use Flickr2Commons to transfer my files to Commons, just as if I was transferring someone else's images from Flickr? Or should I just upload my images directly to both Flickr and Commons, without using the tool? What if I have images I've already uploaded to Commons, and then later I want to upload them to Flickr, too? Is there a template for "this image is also on Flickr" that I should use? (Which would be similar to, but different than, the "transferred from Flickr" templates.) Thanks! --Ppelleti (talk) 21:40, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

If they are your images and within scope, then you can upload them in any manner you wish as long as you sort out the licensing. If you upload your own images to Flickr first, make sure you use a free license like CC-BY-2.0, so they can then be transferred to Commons without problems. If you upload to Commons first, it won't matter where you upload it afterwards but preferably you should use the same license. One very effective way to ensure minimal problems is to put links at both your Flickr and Commons accounts to confirm they are operated by the same person. That avoids a lot of uncertainty. Green Giant (talk) 23:24, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Right, I'm using the Flickr userbox on my user page. --Ppelleti (talk) 20:14, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
I basically upload to Flickr first, use Flickr2Commons to transfer my files to Commons, then make some small, systematic edits to broaden the licensing and make it clear that I'm the same person as on Commons. See history of File:Bon Odori Seattle 2014 - 118A (14742957753).jpg for an example of what I do by way of edits on Commons. - Jmabel ! talk 01:38, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
I assume you use the regex replace feature of VisualFileChange? Would you be willing to share your regex, so that I can avoid reinventing the wheel? --Ppelleti (talk) 20:14, 27 July 2014 (UTC) Perhaps even add it to Help:VisualFileChange.js/samples? --Ppelleti (talk) 20:31, 27 July 2014 (UTC) Also, is there a reason you change the https to http in the Flickr URL? --Ppelleti (talk) 07:10, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

July 27[edit]

Photos not PD in the US[edit]

About the images with URAA problems and the discussion generated about this issue, my question is: was there a decission about the latest files uploaded not in the PD in the US? For example, this photo (1975) and recently uploaded is in the PD in Argentina but not in the US.

Would be the correct procedure to nominate this image for deletion? I suppose so, but I have to be sure first. Thanks, Fma12 (talk) 02:56, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I think that the file has some issues that warrant a full DR, firstly it lacks full details of when it was published in Argentina so it can't be shown to actually be PD in the source (it is only PD if both 25 years old and published over 20 years ago). If it was first published after 1989 it will be in copyright in the US, likewise if it was published between 1975 and 1989 and it has a copyright notice on the rear of the postcard, even if the publication did not have a notice the URAA would have restored the copyright if the image was not published in the US within 30 days of publication in Argentina which seems unlikely for a postcard image. As for URAA, as per this the URAA can be a reason for deletion, if after the status of the file has been carefully evaluated there remain significant doubt about the freedom of the image under US law it must be deleted. LGA talkedits 04:30, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Using precision parameter in location template[edit]

For the 200,000+ images in my Historic American Buildings Survey uploads, most have geolocation available and I am putting those in {{location dec}}. It appears that accuracy of those location points is a little naff, though still of use, perhaps at around 200 meters accuracy. I can add the precision parameter "prec = 200m" to the location dec template, but playing around with it, it appears to do nothing, it does not even change the zoom level in the link to Google maps that it generates. So, for the moment, this looks unused.

Any opinions on whether using the "prec" parameter is a worthwhile change? Though I can wrap this in pending new images (perhaps another 100,000 to come), to be consistent this might also mean making around 100,000 additional changes to already uploaded files. -- (talk) 11:56, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

I think it can be useful. In fact, it can be useful even in Wikipedias to geolocate articles. Anyway the key point is how we and reusers are using it.--Pere prlpz (talk) 12:44, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Using the number of digits written down is a good way to indicate precision, usually. -- Rillke(q?) 13:01, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Very often it indicates false precision. I work with NRHP sources that give coords to D.xxxxxx that someone converted arithmetically from D|M|S, thus claiming highly spurious precision. Even where this isn't the cause, coords are often two or three streets off, when their indicated precision is a fraction of the street width. I have not been adding the |prec:x| parameter when correcting these; merely using the "digits written" method; perhaps that ought to change. Jim.henderson (talk) 14:58, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Based on views here, I'll add the 'prec' parameter set to '200m'. I'll also have a look at trimming the lat/lon numbers where they have "9999..." added on, it's an obvious false precision and seems a common problem. -- (talk) 16:28, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh, and I forgot to mention that almost all outsiders who do coords for building pictures, only try to give the building location rather than the camera. Thus, it should be Template:Object location or its dec version. Apart from pictures from GPS cameras, most camera locations are handiwork and only provided for those few pictures that attract individual attention. Jim.henderson (talk) 17:31, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Good point, swapping to using Object location too. -- (talk) 18:38, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
I think it is a very good idea to add the prec parameter (in general). I did not even know such an option existed!
It is not mentioned in Commons:Geocoding#Parameters as far as I can see, nor mentioned in the massive en:Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates. It is so more natural to specify a precision in meters than by truncating decimals in the most likely latitude/longitude coordinates (and you actually losse information by doing so). Moreover, it is really complex to understand how the precision leads to truncation of decimals. Especially, for the longitude as it depends on the lattitude how many decimals to truncate for a precision of x meters. There is a looong complicated formula for it on the aforementioned Wikipedia page, and by truncating decimals you only get a precision within a factor of 10. That is, you cannot state a nuance if the precision is 60 m or 100 m. A detail which may be important. : where is the prec parameter specified? It would be nice if documentation for its use could be added to the aforementioned pages, but that of course requires knowledge about how it works. For instance: are other units than m allowed? I have often missed such a parameter, for instance for plants I have photographed in Greenland, far away from known infrastructure. Here I have only known the location approximately, but I have not known of any natural way to specify that. Another important case is for threatened plant species where you deliberately want to offset the specified location from the actual location, as the exact location should be kept secret to avoid the plants are removed by plant collectors. In those cases one may want to specify a imprecise precision like 3 km.
Finally, it would be really nice if the Swizz army knife of location templates could be updated such that it would be possible to indicate a precision as well, when creating a geocoding template. I will direct the maintainer of this tool to this discussion en:User talk:Teslaton/Tools/GeoLocator. --Slaunger (talk) 19:23, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Prec is included in the parameter definition of {{Location}} and {{Object location}}. -- (talk) 19:36, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the pointer. I have asked Jarekt, who added this parameter in April to flesh out the documentation for the parameter out a bit more in these templates, as it is not very clear (for me at least) how to specify a unit and which unit(s) are allowed. --Slaunger (talk) 20:16, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
I’ve been adding/keeping/correcting a lot of geolocation. I found that often both {{Object location}} and {{Location}} (or {{Location dec}}) add good information to a file page; in categories (about landmarks) only {{Object location}} makes sense, of course. It is also very common that instead of a specific exact location a generic “main square” or “townhall” lat+long is provided, which is useless for us: Most of the times we do have non-numeric categories for cities/towns, and even for individual streets, no need to convey such low grain information by means of (bogus) geolocation. -- Tuválkin 20:09, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

July 28[edit]

Geo notice[edit]

  • Is it possible to get a geonotice for a meeting invitation placed on Commons like on English Wikipedia? --Pine 23:42, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
MediaWiki:WatchlistNotice? --Steinsplitter (talk) 23:50, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
@Pine: With limitations (IP v.6), yes. Just create one. Are you missing a feature? -- Rillke(q?) 09:05, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

July 29[edit]

A little help - mobile version[edit]

I don't know what's going on, I tried to modification one page including "mobileshowonly", but this piece of... is not working! If do not put "display:none" the mobile thing appears in the "desktop" page, but if I put, is not appearing in the mobile version.

Could pleas help me here?

This is the page: Commons:Esplanada/cabeçalho Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton (talk) 01:38, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia Drifting to the Right?[edit]

I have noticed what seems like a right wing bias in a number of articles lately. For example, in 'Indonesian Invasion of East Timor' it says '100–180,000 soldiers and civilians are estimated to have been killed or starved'. That's misleading, to say the least. The 2,500 page UN report estimates 183,000 civilians killed, not 'soldiers and civilians'. The article also says 'the military procured new advanced weaponry from the United States, Australia, and other countries'. Again, misleading (lying). Minimizing US role by including 'Australia and other countries'. From the National Security Archive: 'Ford Administration officials knew from the start that Indonesia launched its invasion of East Timor 'almost entirely with U.S. equipment, and that the use of this equipment was illegal'. Almost entirely U.S. equipment. What's up? Why the falsehoods and obfuscation? Any idea? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 00:27, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

This is the Wikimedia Commons. You should ask this question at the English Wikipedia's Village Pump. — SMUconlaw (talk) 17:00, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

July 30[edit]

Is it possible to remove the watermark?[edit]

 * File:Kigali_Terminal.jpg
 * File:Qatar_Airways_Airbus_A320.jpg
 * File:RwandAir_B737s.JPG
 * File:Kenya_Airways_ERJ170.JPG

These images were watermarked by their uploader. They are apparently licensed as CC BY-SA 3.0. I'm wondering if the watermark can be unilaterally removed, as it is distracting. 01:59, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for highlighting these photos. The watermark indicates that the images are copyright protected. They appear to be from and together with other similar ones, they have been uploaded by two separate accounts without any evidence of Commons-compatile licenses. Green Giant (talk) 02:35, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Green Giant (talk) 13:47, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

July 31[edit]

Filtering of GLAMWikiToolkit images from Latest Files[edit]

Is there a way to filter items uploaded with GLAMWikiToolkit from Latest Files, and if there isn't do you think that there would be any interest in having one be developed. I love that so many images are being uploaded with it, but it does really make it difficult to search for copyvios being uploaded as they sort of overwhelm the Latest Files page. Zellfaze (talk) 01:26, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Decade-related categories added by templates[edit]

I've been working on resolving redlinked categories. I've noticed quite a few of them which are related to decades and are added by templates. In many cases, there are no decade-related categories defined at all for the topic. Some examples are:

Template:InstrumentProductionYear also adds quite a few redlinked "see also" categories (see Category:1980 instrument productions for an example).

There are many others for places by year (similar to Template:South Yorkshire year). Of the templates I've spot-checked, many but not all were created earlier this year (but not all by the same user). I'm wondering if we want to create all those decade-related redlinked categories, change the templates so that they don't add them, or neither. It seems to me that the decade categories aren't necessary in all cases. Comments? --Auntof6 (talk) 06:42, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Ford Explorer Eddie Bauer 1999-2001 Engine Technical Specifications and Model[edit]

I own a Ford Explorer eddie bauer model 1999. I need to acquire some spares. How do I describe the engine size and model? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 15:33, 31 July 2014‎ (UTC)

Your question has little to do with a free image repository, which is what Wikimedia Commkns is supposed to be, but because I'm a nice person, you might find some useful information in the English Wikipedia article about the Ford Explorer. Green Giant (talk) 17:31, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Image (re-)naming[edit]

Could File:Disney's California Adventure IMG 4021.jpg be renamed File:Mickey's Fun Wheel.jpg?

And could this become File:Paradise Pier.jpg?

Thanks. 18:29, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

X mark.svg No, see our filemoving criteria and files can only have one name.    FDMS  4    04:44, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
So the 'original' (uncropped) image is effectively lost? 11:56, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
You can request a split at Commons:History merging and splitting/Requests. darkweasel94 12:17, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I have reverted the image to the original version for now. The cropped version should be re-uploaded under a new name. --Sebari (talk) 15:16, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

August 01[edit]


Hello. Can anyone create a flag with blue, white, yellow, black and red? Something like File:600px Giallo rosso blu su sfondo bianco.png or File:Giallo rosso blu su sfondo bianco.svg. Xaris333 (talk) 00:25, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Here you are: File:Flag-Blue-White-Yellow-Black-Red.svg --Magnus (talk) 06:31, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Thx!! Xaris333 (talk) 12:33, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Copyright question[edit]

Are the images in Category:Joe Ledbetter actually released into public domain? User:G. Van Houten claimed they are their own work but there is no evidence of this. Some of the images even have copyright marks on them. 09:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for highlighting these images. On the face of it, these images don't appear to be in the public domain based on his website which states "All artwork © 2014 J.Led, LLC. All rights reserved." The default situation is always to assume that images are not PD unless there is an explicit license or clear wording to that effect. I have tagged all of the images in the category for either copyvio or no permission. Green Giant (talk) 11:26, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Mostly deleted as copyvios. Green Giant (talk) 13:14, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response :) 13:35, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Checkmark This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Green Giant (talk) 13:14, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


Hi. w:Fotopedia is shutting down on August 10, 2014 (in 9 days). They host photos, some of which are under free licenses (CC). Could those photos be retrived to Commons? --Rinaku (t · c) 14:04, 1 August 2014 (UTC)