Category talk:Alpine passes

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Use CatScan to get most of the Alpine Passes with single action. --Herzi Pinki (talk) 21:10, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Category:Alpine passes in Italy and Category:Mountain passes of Italy‎[edit]

As far as I can see the Alpine passes in Italy is not clearly differentiated from its related Mountain passes of Italy‎. To the best of my understanding, the former cat is a subcat of Mountain passes by mountain range‎ and thus categorized by topography (ranges), whereas the latter is a child cat of Mountain passes by country‎ and thus sorted by administrative units (countries, states, regions).

However, at the level of Alpine passes in Italy, a certain overlap sneaks in, with some of its subcategories now following the administrative scheme (e.g. Mountain passes of Lombardy‎, of Piedmont‎, of Trentino‎, of Veneto‎). In my view, the subcategories should rather follow the line of Mountain passes in the Ortler Alps, in the Zillertal Alps, in the Stubai Alps etc. So, should we remove those administrative categories and replace them with topographical ones based on ranges instead? Gun Powder Ma (talk) 10:38, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Full support. As discussed here, a distinction between topographic and administrative categories seems to be a reasonable approach. --Mai-Sachme (talk) 11:10, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I included Mountain passes of Aosta Valley or Mountain passes of Lombardy in Alpine passes in Italy because the only moutain range in these italian-subdivision is Alps. I'm agree with you that it's optimal, we have subcategories administrative and geological in the same tree. So, I'm ok to make two trees : one for geological subcategorie and an other with administrative subcategorie. Ludo (talk) 11:13, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm very unhappy about that general structure as it is now, especially for passes. Other than mountains, which can clearly be assigned to a single subrange of the Alps (in cases where range definition is clear and non-overlapping), prominent mountain passes separate in many cases two ranges of a top level mountain range like the Alps. And there are only few compared to number of mountains. My original intent was to have Category:Alpine passes aka Category:Mountain passes in the Alps without any subdivision into countries, regions, provinces, municipalities, villages, … But everytime I fill an almost empty cat, somebody else comes and creates a lot of subcats, by country, by province (especially important when claiming), the like. I would prefer to have a parent category Category:Mountain passes by mountain range with only flat subcats, having mountain range in the set of the top level mountain ranges (Alps, Andes, Rocky Mountains, Himalaya, Jura, Pyrenees, Skanden) not something locally important like Ötztal Alps or Texelgroup. Besides that it would be useful to have a category tree rooted Category:Mountain passes by country which contains country specific, but mountain range agnostic categories. In there you can put Category:Mountain passes of Italy (will contain Alpine passes, Apennines passes, Sicily passes), which could be subdivided as usual into Category:Mountain passes of South Tyrol, Category:Mountain passes in Trentino - Alto Adige or what ever your bias prefers. And I would like to ask to keep the flat categories Category:Alpine passes with traffic route and Category:Alpine passes without traffic route. So this will result in:

The intersection of geographical and political units like Alpine passes in Italy should be deleted. --Herzi Pinki (talk) 15:52, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Let me point out that the Alps of <country> branch has become something of a free radical not only in Italy-related categories, but basically for all Alpine states. Category:Alps of Austria, for example, also includes categories from the administrative tree like Alps of Vorarlberg‎ or Mountains of Styria which is confusing. I agree with Herzi Pinki that Alpine passes in Italy et al. should be removed for the reason alone that we would end up in many Alpine countries (Austria, Switzerland, Slovenia), where Alpine passes constitute (almost) all mountain passes, with virtually identical categories. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 17:15, 14 November 2011 (UTC)