Category talk:Castellers

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Renaming proposal[edit]

I propose to rename category to "castells", since it's content is about towers ("castells"), the activity of making them. "Castellers" are just the people making them.

In Catalan Wikipedia, the related category can't be named "castells" because this name is already used for category about castles, but in English "castells" doesn't mean anything else.--Pere prlpz (talk) 17:14, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

I understand your logic, but casteller seems more universal in the area of origin as can be seen in ca:Casteller, es:Casteller, eu:Casteller, gl:Casteller, oc:Castellers and pt:Casteller. It avoids confusion with the roughly 80 castell cats as can be seen in Special:Search/intitle:Category:Castell. Moreover, there is good chance that some people mix up with (or try) to rename to castle. --Foroa (talk) 17:30, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Both "Castells" and "Castellers" can be good names for this category. However, the word "casteller/s" clearly applies only to the persons who make human castles, while "castell/s" can be used both for human castles and stone castles. Therefore I would leave it as we have it now. --Jordiferrer (talk) 12:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
May be Category:Castells would be better, despite in Catalan the word "castells" can refer to the human castles and stone castles. But, in fact, the current one is good for me. --Catalaalatac (talk) 14:35, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
I've think about it again and I believe "Category:Castells" would be a better name for this category. --Catalaalatac (talk) 15:07, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Category names are in English. In English "castell" doesn't mean stone castle, so no confusion is possible. Confusion is only possible in catalan Viquipèdia, not in Commons or in any language other than catalan. And in catalan the activity is named "Castells", except in categories in catalan wikipedia to avoid ambiguity.--Pere prlpz (talk) 17:12, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
That's theory. We used to use Category:Castell and we found in it plenty of Castells from non-English speaking contributors and related to the Castell city. Why we changed which solved at least this problem. --Foroa (talk) 17:55, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't suggest to use Category:Castell. I suggest to use Category:Castells, since the activity is usually refered in plural form. Does your objection work for "Castells"?--Pere prlpz (talk) 18:46, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

(Reset indent) As if the plural would make any difference: people just take the ones that pop up first. As they used the singular in the past. There are already Special:Search/intitle:Category:Castell 97 and 145 candidates here Special:Search/intitle:Category:Castel. --Foroa (talk) 20:28, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Més categories[edit]

Proposo crear més categories que poden tenir molt d'interès pel món casteller en general:

  • "Category:Castells fent llenya"
  • "Category:Fotografies de castells en blanc i negre"
  • "Category:Fotografies de castells fora de Catalunya", sé que és molt catalanocentrista però seria interessantíssim tenir una categoria que recollís imatges de castells fets fora de Catalunya (n'he trobat de França, Anglaterra, Itàlia, el Vaticà, etc...)
  • Category:Pinya (vegeu-la, de fet ja he començat a omplir-la)
  • Etcètera... Afegiu-ne més si ho creieu convenient i si creieu que s'haurien d'anomenar diferent. Ah! és veritat. Suposo que s'haurien d'anomenar en anglès, no? Algú m'hi podria donar un cop de mà? Gràcies!! --Catalaalatac (talk) 14:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
The number of casteller photos will sure grow in the future, so I agree it makes sense to create many categories to classify them. Names can be...
El nombre de fotos creixerà en el futur, i té sentit tenir diverses categories per anar-les classificant. Respecte les que proposes, els noms podrien ser...
    • "Category:Collapsing casteller towers"
    • "Category:Black and white photographs of castellers"
    • "Category:Castellers in Asia", "in Europe", "in France", "in America" etc, all of them inside the current "Castellers by venue"
    • "Pinya" and "pom de dalt" can be subcategories of a new "Category:Parts of a casteller tower"
    • We could even create "Castellers by year" with subcategories such as "Castellers in 2010" etc--Jordiferrer (talk) 14:55, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree. But I would change the names of the categories: "Category:Collapsing castells", "Category:Black and white photographs of castells", "Castells by year", "Category:Parts of a castell", etc... Do you agree? Seems an artificial translation. And the main category now I think it should be {{move}}d to Category:Castells, despite is the Catalan word for "castles". --Catalaalatac (talk) 15:06, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
If we use "Castells" we can have people who understand "stone castle". For instance, "castells by year" can be understood as year that the stone castle was built. "Collapsing castells" can be understood as "stone castles destroyed". "black and white..." same thing. This is why "casteller" or "castellers" is much better to avoid confusion.--Jordiferrer (talk) 15:14, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
"Castells fora de Catalunya" és catalanocetrista. Com que aquí no apliquen la norma dels cinc articles, crec que és millor fer categories de "Castells a Itàlia", "Castells a Amèrica", etc.--Pere prlpz (talk) 17:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Més categories per crear són: "Categoria:Colles castelleres" (categoria bàsica, que jo anomenaria tal qual: "Colles castelleres", dir-ne "teams" no em sembla correcte ja que no són equips), "Categoria:Colles universitàries", "Categoria:Colles de Barcelona" (que n'hi ha moltes i al meu parer es mereix una categoria pròpia), etc. Per cert, hi ha llocs com Category:Castellers logos, on es barregen els castells amb l'esport, i que jo sàpiga no es considera un esport. S'haurien de recategoritzar. --Catalaalatac (talk) 22:44, 2 May 2011 (UTC). ok done!--Jordiferrer (talk) 22:53, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Before we create "Category:Colles castelleres" or "Category:Casteller teams" I would like the hear the opinion from some native english speakers.--Jordiferrer (talk) 22:49, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Acabo de crear la Category:Castellers by color. --Catalaalatac (talk) 16:57, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
I am not native English, but precisely because of that, I am more sensitive for the multi-language aspects (and confusions). If you think that you will only have Spanish colles, you can use "Category:Colles castelleres". If you want to try to get info about "teams" around the world, you are better of with "Category:Casteller teams" provided that all colles operate always as one team, meaning that there are no colles that have inside multiple teams. If there can be several teams in one colles (juniors, seniors, a or b teams), one might better use "casteller clubs". --Foroa (talk) 07:19, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Trobaríeu oportú crear la Category:Colles castelleres? De fet a la categoria "Castellers" actual ja hi són. No sé si m'hi he de posar o no. Què en penseu? --Catalaalatac (talk) 18:51, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Si, es pot crear. L'unic que suggeriria es no crear subcategories com "colles del baix llobregat" "colles de barcelona" etc. Crec que es millor poder veure totes les 50 o 60 colles juntes en una unica pagina.--Jordiferrer (talk) 23:11, 1 July 2011 (UTC)