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File:Bearded man smoking pipe-3013924.jpg, featured[edit]

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Bearded man smoking pipe
  • Category: Commons:Featured pictures/People
  •  Info created by ThuyHaBich, uploaded and nominated by Yann (talk) 07:16, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Support -- Yann (talk) 07:16, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Question Can you explain your objective and the value to Commons in uploading someone else's images of these unknown people? Charles (talk) 07:47, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Do I need an objective? Sorry, but I don't understand your question. Being a good portrait under a free license should be sufficient, isn't? Regards, Yann (talk) 07:58, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Charles, I think your comment about "uploading someone else's images" is rude and you should strike it. Have you not noticed, in all these years, that some nominators, like Yann, nominate other people's photos? The vast majority of photos on Commons were not in fact taken by a Commoner, but uploaded from elsewhere because they had a free licence and were judged to have some value for an educational purpose. While the notability of a subject is a plus factor in terms of educational value, it is perfectly possible for a portrait of an "unknown" person to have educational value and be of high quality. Yann, those two attributes are not totally sufficient -- we do place some merit on educational value (though not, encyclopaedic value). -- Colin (talk) 09:59, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • While educational and ecyclopedic values are very often given as reasons for promoting a photo at FPC, it says in Featured picture candidates#Featured picture candidate policy General rules sect. 7 that "the goal of the Wikimedia Commons project is to provide a central repository for free images to be used by all Wikimedia projects, including possible future projects". We don't know what future projects might be. Someone may for example want illustrations for an article on "Pipe smoking in the 21th century" and in that case this photo may become relevant. (The only photo FP we have at the moment of someone smoking a pipe is this.) The photo below of the woman would be great in an article about "Glamour photography, old school version". Only your imagination sets the limits. All good photos are welcome. --Cart (talk) 10:38, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, I have often argued that FP votes on Commons do not take enough value as a criteria. But then we would need to define value. To me, portraits have more educative value that pictures of rarely seen bugs and random places. The variety of face expressions are quite amazing to me, and that itself is a good reason to nominate a picture. Regards, Yann (talk) 11:41, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well this is the essence of the difference between educational and encyclopaedic, and why the latter is not Commons' purpose -- that's for Wikipedia FP. But Commons has moved on beyond its original mission (to illustrate Wikimedia projects) and is a repository of educational images for anyone to use. Educational is more than "illustration of". -- Colin (talk) 12:49, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"But then we would need to define value." this is not true, and never has been. We don't have a full and complete and yet finite set of criteria for judging images. It is up to you and me and the others to determine the educational value just as we determine "wow" or whether the exposure, sharpness and composition are satisfactory. Is the only rule on composition the "rule of thirds", which bizarrely gets a mention on this page? No, we all bring our own ideas to the table. -- Colin (talk) 12:49, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed results:
Result: 10 support, 0 oppose, 0 neutral → featured. /Basile Morin (talk) 14:38, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This image will be added to the FP gallery: People
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