Commons:Help desk/Archive/2007/03

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Copyright issue[edit]

My friend CrimeThinc has uploaded an image (part of many images which are not uploaded yet) to use on Wikipedia. The image can be found at Rene Descartes. There was no copyright notice, license or any rights information within the card itself so therefore he put "I don't know which license". Could anyone please give some advice on whether to delete that or can it be kept on Wikimedia Commons? I am new here, but I am familiar with Wikipedia. Problem answered. The file has been automatically deleted by a user who explained the problem on the talk page. Feel free to give more advice about this issue. Thank you. FirefoxRocks 01:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Deleting an image[edit]

Assuming I am the original uploader of an image, can I delete it (especially if it is not being used on any articles)? How do I do that? --Doug Coldwell 14:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

If you sure that this image is useless or violate privacy or any other serious reason, just add {{Speedydelete|reason}} on image description page. --EugeneZelenko 15:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

One cropped version more out of focus than the other: Why?[edit]

Koeln-1531-holzschnitt-anton-von-worms 2-1200x680 (2).jpg
Koeln St. Johann Evangelist 1531 Holzschnitt Anton von Worms.jpg

Why does one picture seem more out of focus than the other? I actually wanted to have the upper picture deleted, but it seems the lower one is not as good quality... although both are cropped from the same original! Any ideas, and especially any ideas as to how to change this? Thanks, Ibn Battuta 20:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Does nobody answer because nobody knows, or does nobody answer because you don't see a difference on your monitors? --Ibn Battuta 18:45, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I can clearly see a difference on my monitor. Kjetil_r 22:19, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
The lower one is fuzzy because it's been resized, and by an unpleasant proportion like 80%. You can tell because elements from the top picture are smaller in the lower picture, and because more elements fit in the same width. This was not just a crop. Dcoetzee 03:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:Førerkort fremside.jpg[edit]

I came across the above image which is currently licenced under a CCBYSA-self licence. The image is a scan of a Norwegian driving licence and I would therefore suspect it comes under the copyright of the Norwegian government. I'm not sure what copyright the govt. of Norway use and whether the image should be changed to show fair use or public domain. Alexj2002 12:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

I am the owner of that image, and I am not sure about what the rules says, and I am not sure I would like it if the image was to be changed to a public domain image. Anyways, if there are some rules that come into play becouse this is a govt. document, then this would most likely go for Image:Førerkort bakside.jpg too. I'll see if I find the time and info to sendt someone official an email and ask. -- Atluxity 18:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I have sent a mail to The Norwegian Public Roads Administration, I will notify you if I get a response. -- Atluxity 23:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Video "Ogg" files[edit]

Can someone give me an actual list of "ogg" VIDEO files that are used in Wikipedia articles? Not interested in these files that are associated with any User, but in ACTUAL acticles so I can see some example usages of these type video files actually being used. I am suspicious there are very few (if any) such ACTUAL articles that incorporate these type files. Can someone give me say a few dozen actual examples of usage now from apparently some 400 such files that have been uploaded. I am NOT very sophisticated in this type of searching, so I am just looking for an actual list of such articles that I can just go look up. Please, someone help me!!! Thanks alot. --Doug Coldwell 00:05, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

That info isn't easy to find. Here's a list with videos on commons, by use on wikimedia wikis. I generated this by asking the toolserver database for all videos, and then running that list through CheckUsage. Note that the english wikipedia is missing because of technical difficulties. Even without en:wp, i count more than 400 uses (in the main namespace) of the about 550 videos we have.

About the structure of that file: It is a tab separated table with sections. There is a section for each wiki, and in each line, the first name is the name of an article on that wiki. After that is a list with videos used on that page.

HTH -- Duesentrieb 01:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

That is great! Thanks. I am looking at these videos now in my research of this pertaining to "ogg" video files. That was MOST useful. Sometime in the future, should you also get the English parts; please feel free to make a link and drop onto my Talk Page. I would appreciate that. Thanks again for this work as I realize it is NOT easy information to get. FYI: the reason I am doing this research is because I am having trouble with an editor that will NOT allow me to enter a couple of "ogg" videos into an article as an "edit" improvement. I have worded the entry as neutral as possible, however he will still not allow me to enter in videos. He says videos are "original research". However from these hundreds of videos you are able to show me, it looks like they are used on articles all the time. Thanks again for your work on this. --Doug Coldwell 15:52, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Would like to say I have looked over many of these videos. They are great! Should you get those missing English ones, please either put a link here so I can look at them -OR- put on my Talk Page. I am really interested in getting them also. Thanks again for your work on this!! Appreciate it. --Doug Coldwell 21:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

deleting image request[edit]

How do I delete my image? 16:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

See Commons:Help desk#Deleting an image. --EugeneZelenko 16:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Categorizing problem[edit]

I tried to catagorize my image

atomic energy levels

under the category Category:Atomic_physics but when I look at the list of images my image thumbnail is broken for some reason.

Is this just a problem with my own browser, or do others have this problem?

What can i do to fix this? Rozzychan 21:25, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes thumbnailing doesn't work right, and some times bad files get stuck in the cache. Sometimes doing a ?action=purge on the image page can help. Reuploading the image can usually unstick it. However, this image should probably be made into a SVG. --Gmaxwell 23:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Am I free to choose a free license?[edit]

I draw some coats of arms to illustrate the wikipedia pages about cities. I usually upload them with the GFDL/CC license. I found today that an other user replaced systematically the license, on every drawing of a coat of arms of Luxembourg, with one of his own creation specifically dedicated to Luxemburgish coats of arms. See for instance Bascharage, and my discussion with an other user here. Is it normal? What is the use to ask me to choose a license when I upload a picture of my own if somebody else can freely change this license? Bruno Vallette 22:31, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

If what you are doing is making a exact copy, or attempting to do so, of someone else's design (such as a coat of arms), you are not creating copyrightable content. Based on your recent contribution history, it looks to me that you've made SVG versions of various pre-existing Luxembourgish coats-of-arms; doing so does not give you any copyright interest and no say in the applicable license. The license under which the content may be used will be determined entirely by the relevant law applicable to Luxembourgish coats-of-arms (of which I am no expert, but there are others on Commons who are). Your efforts to create the SVGs are appreciated, but you do not thereby acquire droit d'auteur; you have no copyright interest in the resulting representation, and no authority to alter the conditions under which the image in question may be used. Kelly Martin 23:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer. Three remarks:
  • I am not making an exact copy of someone else's design, but generally making a drawing of my own from a mere description. Sometimes I have a model, but it is very rare I make an exact copy. Compare for instance Image:Blason_ville_lux_Lac-de-la-Haute-Sûre.svg and [1] and you will see I improved a lot the design of the pike.
  • If you did read the Luxembourgish law which they refer to, you probably found it is unrelevant to coats of arms of cities (it is only about national emblems).
  • I obviously did not claim any droit d'auteur since I chose a free license. I just do not understand what these free licenses mean if someone else can replace them by something else without my agreement.
Bruno Vallette 23:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
It looks to me that there is sufficient creative expression involved here that you probably are entitled to claim a copyright. If that is the case, then you are entitled to decide the licensing, and it was inappropriate for another editor to alter that. Kelly Martin 01:12, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
To clarify a common misunderstanding: copyright (droit d'auteur) is necessary for a free license; If you do not have the copyright, you can not specify a license. IN this case, that means:
  • If your work is creative, then you have the copyright automatically and, in the EU, permanently. You can then share this right, using a free license.
  • If you are creating mere reproductions, or a purly technical representation of something described by text, then there is no creativity involved, and you gain no copyright. In this case, you cannot apply any license, free or not. The images would be PD (if the original design is PD), and should be tagged as such.
So, AFAIK, you can claim copyright for making a graphical representation of an elaborate design, if you didn't reproduce/immitate an existing graphical representation. For very simple coats of arms (or a simple flag, like of Germany, for example), no copyright would apply. -- Duesentrieb 01:39, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
This is a fuzzy derivative work case. The original coat-of-arms is subject to whatever copyright terms apply to coats-of-arms, whereas your nontrivial original modifications are subject to your own choice of license. Some licenses restrict the license of derivative works, like copyleft ones. Do we have a template for derivative works specifying both licenses? Dcoetzee 02:56, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
The coats of arms in this case are probably in the public domain; if this is the case, he is free to choose whatever license he wants. In such cases, I normally indicate in a comment on the image that the included content is in the public domain for whatever reason, without using a template. We don't seem to have templates for indicating the copyright status of incorporated works. Kelly Martin 03:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again for all your answers.
The border between a creative work and a purely technical representation seems difficult to define clearly, since — at least — the shape of the shield, the tincture (azure is blue, but it can be all the panel of blue, from dark to light) and the precise dimensions of the different objects can be freely chosen by the drawer, in some measure.
Anyway, when I have good reasons to consider that the work is creative, how can I avoid that an other editor alter the license I chose? The most natural way should be to talk with this editor, but my experience of yesterday showed me that it is not always possible to discuss calmly with someone who is so sure of himself without anything serious to support his opinion. Bruno Vallette 11:15, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello, certainly drawing a coa from description does not involve sufficient creativity. In fact, CoAs are a very good example of far copyright goes: What may be protected is the essence of the CoA that is represented by the description. How to color it and how to draw the details is not creative, but mere design. It may require a lot of skill and labour, but mere skill and labour, as well as mere design, is not copyrightable. Your work may enjoy automatic design protection, such as granted in the EU for three years after publication, but CC-by-sa and GFDL are copyright licenses that are not applicable to design. Comepare this to the situation with typefaces. They are not copyrighted either, since they are mere design of existing symbols and letters. PS: "purely technical representation" can of course be copyrighted! Please abandon your myths about copyright. --Rtc 11:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Do we have to split this discussion over so many pages? See Commons talk:Licensing#coats of arms concerning Luxembourg. Lupo 08:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Please update my file[edit]

I prematurely uploaded a svg file before finishing optimizing it, so would someone mind replacing Image:PsychoactiveChart.svg with the content found at Image:Optizmied.svg. Thanks :) --Thoric 02:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

✓ Done. Image:Optizmied.svg removed as redundant file. NielsF talk/overleg/discussion/discussione 03:34, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Update image request[edit]

I have uploaded a new version of the image Image:Ribbentrop-Molotov.svg, but I cannot replace it (my account too new). Could someone replace it with Image:Ribbentrop-Molotov-update.svg please ?

--Miko3k 11:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

yeah just noticed this page is in chronological order so moved this down... and also provided wrong file name last time :-) accidents happen ... --Miko3k 16:30, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Image updated, and extra copy deleted. --Davepape 14:30, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

French speaking help, Please[edit]

Dear sir, I would like someone to give me information in French about how to upload pictures. I may be a bit slow to understand how to insert a new picture on a new page with the right key words and comments in order to find it again with a simple "Search". Because, I can retrieve my works with "my contributions list" but I cannot do it with the Search button. If the answer is reallay simple, feel free to give it in English. Cheers. --Brunodesacacias 11:41, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Des modifications récentes ne sont pas visible directement dans la recherche. If faut attendre quelque jours où une semaine avant les modifications sont visible dans la recherche. -- Bryan (talk to me) 11:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Merci pour cette aide précieuse. Thanks a lot for this fine help.--Brunodesacacias 12:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

images ©[edit]

I received a warning considering some of the images I uploaded. Partenheimer gave me permission (by email), how should i proceed ? Is there a form to fill in ? See


Please forward all communications you have had with the copyright holder to Please also identify in your email the URL of the image(s) on Wikimedia Commons to which the permissions grant applies. An OTRS volunteer will review the correspondence and make the appropriate determination. Kelly Martin 12:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

can you upadate my file please[edit]

I have improved my image Image:Ribbentrop-Molotov.svg, but I cannot replace it because my account new. Could someone replace it with Image:Ribbentrop-Molotov-update.svg please ? --Miko3k 15:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Done. --Davepape 15:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Image editing request[edit]

Thai Amulet fighting Demons (fully sized)

Hi commoners! Could somebody extract the right ghost from the pic and put it in a upright position (ca. 93°), please? Thanks a lot! Mattes 14:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Image editing request II[edit]

Suvarnabhumi International Airport Bangkok (full view)

Could someone please put this pic in an upright position?! Thanks a lot, -- Mattes 03:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

You can actually see something now!
I rotated and improved it a bit. Please do all your future cleanup requests using Commons:Images for cleanup. --Para 12:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow — that's great!!! Thanks a lot!
All the best, Mattes 16:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Wanted poster[edit]


I'm wondering about this file here ( There is an uploaded file of it currently at the Norwegian WP. Would it be possible to upload this to Commons? It's a poster that I guess UN would want to be circulated as much as possible. But I'm unsure of the license. --Babaroga 19:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

The UN may want it widely circulated, but they wouldn't necessarily want it used commercially or for derivative works to be made; unless these are allowed, it won't fit Commons' definition of "free" (libre). Copyright notices on other parts of the UN site (such as press photos) typically only allow non-commercial use. --Davepape 20:27, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Releasing images taken by family members with their consent but without revealing their details[edit]

I have uploaded a few images to Commons and/or Wikipedia under a free licence. So far, all photos have been taken by me. As I had taken the photos myself, I was able to release them either as {{PD-self}} or {{GFDL-self}}.

Supposing my husband or brother-in-law or father takes a photo for me, with my camera, and is happy for me to release it into the public domain. The upload page suggests that I have to name the author of the file, and e-mail the permission to Not everyone in my family uses a computer or has e-mail, and I think I'm the only one with a Wikipedia or Commons account, so I can't attribute it to their "usernames". I really don't want to give my full name or theirs, and yet I know that if I took the photo myself, it would suffice just to say that it was taken by ElinorD.

There are a few examples of photos that I'd like to upload, but that I wouldn't be physically able to take myself. For example, if I am kneading and folding bread dough, someone in the family would have to take the photo of the position of my hands.

How do I licence a genuinely-free, non-professional photo taken by a close family member (with the intention of releasing it into the public domain), without revealing his or her (or my) personal details? Thanks. ElinorD 23:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Well if the intent is to release it into the public domain, you might as well state that you took it. That may not be actually illegal (PD releases ALL rights including attribution) and I somehow doubt your relative will sue you for doing so. Alternatively you could argue that they were "working" for you and waived all their rights on the image to you; . That's a couple quick and dirty solutions, I'm sure more detailed and considered ones will follow. ;)--Nilfanion 00:31, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I think you are being a little picky (better picky than violator tough!). If my girlfriend takes a picture of my left foot it'll be the same if I use a tripod. It'll be the same if during a trip one of the pictures were taken by her. So, if a close relative takes a picture you can upload it as your own, we just should use our "Common" sense. Dantadd 00:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Ask for Deletion of a image[edit]

Please could you delet this image for me! Thanks a lot

✓ Done. prefer use Category:Other speedy deletions for this sort of request. Oxam Hartog 02:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Replace image[edit]

I wanted to replace USGS_world_oil_endowment.png with a smaller version (better compression, same quality) but my account is too new. I uploaded the new image as USGS_world_oil_endowment2.png --GMPotato 19:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

✓ Done --EugeneZelenko 16:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Where does one make or find a Category proposal?[edit]

Newbie here. I ran across the following: "It has been proposed that Category:Military people (U.S. Navy) be renamed and moved to Category:People of the United States Navy." I believe that this is a really bad idea and expressed my belief on a discussion page for the Category. But where did this proposal come from? How and where does one make such a proposal? Where do I find the proposal, and find who made the proposal, and find who is responsible for acting on the proposal? Why didn't the person who made the proposal initiate a discussion at the Category page; there is no information or prior discussion there, and I had to create the discussion page to express my point of view. So far it feels like I've undertaken a discussion with a phantom. I've looked everywhere in Commons I can think of, and have found nothing to enlighten me about any of this. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.

Oops, I just noticed "For policy, proposals and technical information, post on Commons:Village pump". I'll re-post this there.

Lorentzo 10:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Text and picture combinations[edit]

Hi commoners, would there be a problem uploading a combination of a small picture and a short text in a certain language? F.e. something like this, but as a whole image, and of course without any licence violation?

Schematicky atom.png

This User is against the use of Nuclear Plants

Thanks for answering. The most important thing is, whether such combinations would be deleted here. -- 10:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

It should not be deleted, but why would you want to do that? Why not just use a table as you did in your example? It is much more flexible especially since including words means it will basically only be useful for projects that speak that language. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 02:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I'm a long time user of wikipedia and I noticed the G20 image didnt have Saudi Arabia on it. I uploaded the file on to here as G20A.png, as my wikimedia commons account is too new to overwrite G20.png. Could someone please move G20A.png to G20.png please? Jamie C 15:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Help regarding public domain under Australian Government[edit]

Can somebody who understands public domain licensing by the Australian Government better than I take a look at the following page and give an opinion: w:Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Images to improve#West Leeming Primary School Logo? Nmajdan 18:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with them. I have never seen any suggestion that public school logos are public domain in Australia. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 02:43, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Text not appearing in SVG graphic[edit]

Hello all. I'm sure this is a basic SVG question, but I'm having a problem with the labels on my first SVG upload. When I created Image:Icosian_grid_labelled.svg and Image:Icosian_grid_labelled2.svg in InkScape 0.45, the 20 vertex labels looked just fine (in 20-point Times New Roman and Verdana, respectively). When I upload the graphics, there's just a blob in place of the first label, and nothing for the other 19. Any ideas?

Rupert Clayton 18:01, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

The text is "flowed" text. It should just be ordinary text. I'm looking to see if there's anything I can do to fix it. Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 18:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I've fixed the "2" version. Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 19:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
That's great! Thanks for the fix, and I'll try to fix it in future images. Rupert Clayton 08:54, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Upload problem[edit]

I've tried to upload a new entry, but I keep getting rejected that a .doc file can't be uploaded. How else do I do it?

You can't. Documents should be uploaded in the PDF format, if at all. Why do you want to upload a .doc?? --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 07:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

YANN FORGET, an administrator who doesn´t help[edit]

Please, consider the way this [[2]] behaves, since he just spends time blocking users' capabilities to upload files, deleting them without warning and not answering the kind questions of users like myself. In his discussion area, he deletes all my questions just leaving the "positive" postings. I thougth Wikipedia was free and responsible, but it seems so far just another niche for mean people to destroy somebody else's will to help providing information. The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk • contribs) at 13:27, 6 Mar 2007 (UTC)

I tried to look through Yann's talk page but could find out who we're supposed to help. Who are you? / Fred Chess 13:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I came to the same conclusion - someone blocked maybe (CU?) --Herby talk thyme 13:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

my images are almost deleted[edit]

During the past weeks I have been uploading images on Wiki Commons. See

Obviously I'm doing something wrong here. All the image are mine and I have the artists' agreement to publish the images (and his work) on Wiki commons. Can someone give me a good example how I should upload these images ?



It's looks like deletion request was closed and images must be kept. Just remove {{delete}} tags from images you uploaded. Please add reference to deletion request in edit comments. --EugeneZelenko 15:53, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


I noticed this article in a Wikipedia article, and thought it looked terribly familiar. In fact, it is very familiar to me, as it is on page 10 of the very old instructions for a lab I teach. I also believe I've seen it somewhere else (perhaps Knoll or Leo), so I am rather confused by HPaul's assertion that it is his own work. I'm not an active editor here, so I don't know the proper process for dealing with this sort of issue, and would greatly appreciate some guidance (I expect there is a tag to put on the page). --Constantine 22:40, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It seems to be a clear copyright violation. I have added a copyvio tag to it, and no doubt an admin will delete it soon. --MichaelMaggs 22:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. I believe I have enough data sitting on computers here to replace the image soon. --Constantine 23:01, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Help replacing borked *.svg file[edit]

I just uploaded Image:Overlapping realmode segments.svg, which I drew using Inkscape v0.45. All the text annotations look like solid black boxes, which is of no use. Since I just recently created the account, I can't go in and update a non-inkscape svg file. Can anyone help? Jkl 08:14, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

table in the description of a photo[edit]

In the image I have in the description added the texts written on the panels of the statue. I want to put these three pieces of text in a table of one row and three columns. I have tried the 'normal' syntax for a table within the description, but that did not work. How can I achieve this? If this info is already available somewhere in the Help, where should I have found it? Thanks, --Wouterhagens 09:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

It is hard because the {{information}} template is already in a table, so it doesn't like nested tables. I used a HTML table and it seems to have worked OK. if that's not what you meant, let me know. And AFAIK there is no help written anywhere else about this so you came to the right place. :) --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 09:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
That was exactly what I wanted. Thank you very much! --Wouterhagens 10:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

redirects to English WP? //[edit]

1. Is there a general redirect from all pages to the English Wikipedia? I've absentmindedly typed in: (German for "help"), which took me to some non-existing page of the English Wikipedia. It took me a while to understand what actually happened. Wouldn't it make more sense to limit redirects to actually existing pages??

2. Is there a way of finding out whether someone has sent an e-mail to I've asked at a website whether they would allow us to use two pictures (explaining all the license stuff and all); they responded we could, so I asked them (on Feb 27) to send you a permission e-mail. Now I haven't heard back anymore and wonder whether they've just changed their mind, or whether they've already sent it. (Next time I'll ask third parties to cc me in their "permission e-mail"... sorry.) Thanks,--Ibn Battuta 03:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

For 1: That is a MediaWiki software setting using interwikis. If you type in that *URL*, you'll get that behaviour. That doesn't happen when you type 'Wikipedia:Hilfe' in the search box, right??
For 2: Yes - ask someone with OTRS access to check what has happened. A partial list of people with access is at Template_talk:PermissionOTRS#Commons_people_with_access_to_OTRS.If you provide some more details, I or someone else can search and check. Probably we could do with a page like Commons:Requests to check an OTRS ticket. --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 08:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, you're right about the URL issue. And I'm going to ask the "OTRS" people though I'm afraid I wouldn't have understood the abreviation before you used it. :o) --Ibn Battuta 08:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Featured pictures candidates[edit]

I tried adding Image:Redheaded_child_mesmerized_2.jpg to the featured pictures candidates, but it didn't work and I can't figure out why. Help? Thanks. Steevven1 22:37, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Hello, you added the nomination page to the candidates list, but you still need to create the nomination page! Go here and follow the instructions and hit save, then do ctrl+refresh on the candidates list, and it should appear at the top. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 03:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Transparency fix for Wikipe-tan_sailor_fuku.png[edit]

I fixed a small transparency issue in Image:Wikipe-tan_sailor_fuku.png but I can't upload the file over top of it because I just got to making an account on this wikimedia site. Could someone add the fix over the image using the fix I uploaded to replace it Image:Wikipe-tan_sailor_fuku-fix.png. Dantman 04:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

✓ Done. --EugeneZelenko 16:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Where can I ask for a translator who speaks Italian and English?[edit]

Where can I get a translator who speaks Italian and English? Someone who speaks Italian well but is no good in English thinks that when I posted an {{Nsd}} tag on an image that he copied from the English Wikipedia that I was being a vandal, when I was posting about a problem that image has. The problem is that the image on the English Wikipedia, en:Image:Arableopard.PNG, has no source. Therefore, Image:Arableopard.png has no valid source. Could someone please go to my talk page and translate my response into Italian? Thanks. Jesse Viviano 16:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I find that the best place to look is at Commons:List of administrators by language. I can never remember that link, so first I go to COM:A, then go to the bottom of the alphabetized list, and click "Listing by language." It appears that User:Dantadd is the most active on the Italian-speaking administrators. S/he is also "en-3." (" to contribute with an advanced level of English.") --Iamunknown 06:12, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

odd license[edit]

Do you see a possibility to license en:Image:Scott-stadium.jpg and en:Image:Virginia-Cavalier-mascot.jpg satisfactorily for the Commons? If so, how? --Ibn Battuta 05:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Those contractual obligations would be very similar to {{Cc-by-2.5|Mike Ingalls for}}. I've asked [3] the uploader if s/he could contact Mr. Ingalls and ask if he agree to license the images under CC-BY-2.5. Until then, I'm not sure they should be uploaded to Commons. --Iamunknown 06:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
This is an acceptable license. It meets all the requirements of COM:L. -- Bryan (talk to me) 12:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Using images[edit]

Hi there, I am an employee of the National Aquarium of Ireland, and I am compiling a page on rare wildlife for our website. This page would act as a public research resource about rare Irish species.

I wanted to know if I could use photos from Wikipedia in this page legally. 
What are the copyright rules regarding this kind of thing? 

Eagerly awaiting an answer,

Emily Rondel

Atlantaquaria, National Aquarium of Ireland.
Hi, all images used on Wikimedia Commons are free in some way. Images from Wikipedia may or may not be free depending on whether the specific Wikipedia accepts fair use. The English Wikipedia for example accepts unfree material under the fair use clause.
Material on Wikimedia Commons is freely licensed. The license of the image is always indicated below the image on the image description page. It is a box that says "This image is licensed under ..." or "I, the author release this image under...". The most common licenses here are:
  • Public Domain, which is in fact not a license, but means that you can use the image freely for any purpose without any obligations.
  • Attribution only licenses, such as the Creative Commons Attribution, which means that you can use the image freely for any purpose if you credit the author.
  • Copyleft licenses, such as the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike and the GNU Free Documentation License. They can generally be freely used in collective work provided that you credit the author, and can be used in derivative work in case the derivate work is licensed under the same license as the original image.
All licenses have a link to the excact legal license text, which I recommend you read before using the images. You are never obligated to ask permission from the author if you use the image, but it is very kind if you do so.
If you have any general questions or specific questions about an image, feel free to ask here. -- Bryan (talk to me) 21:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
As the side note, I am not a lawyer, and Wikimedia Commons makes no guarantee of validity. We try to ensure that all the images on this repository are not violating copyright laws, but we cannot guarantee it. You are recommended to ask advice from a lawyer if you plan to use the images in publications etc. See also Commons:General disclaimer. -- Bryan (talk to me) 21:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Newest Images in Category[edit]

Hello, how can I find the most recently uploaded images in a category? The Special:Newimages page does not provide searching in categories, neither does the Special:Search page. -- , 22:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

You can't afaik, sorry. -- Bryan (talk to me) 22:40, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Thumbnail caching[edit]

How can I refresh them? See here — 44px and 204px thumbs display wrong version that doesn't show a glare correctly. — Kalan 05:19, 10 March 2007 (UTC) Oops, it was a problem with my browser... It's all OK now. — Kalan 05:21, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

what about the copyright for these foto's[edit]

hand positions

I would like to know how it is with the copyright of the following photo's I have taken myself. Both have been taken inside a wellknown theatre for tourists in Kochi, India. One shows the dancers, the second one is a photo that is taken from a large board in the hall to show what handpositions are used in the Kathakali dance. Wouterhagens 15:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

The dancers are totally copyrighted by you. The picture of the handpositions is however a derivative work, and because it is a faithfull reproduction of a 2d work, you can probably not even claim copyright on it. How old is that board approximately? -- Bryan (talk to me) 15:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the answer. I have no idea about the age of the board. May be 10 or 20 years. On I read "The actors express their ideas through the basic symbols proposed by Hastalakshanadeepika. These twenty four symbols are pathaka, mudrakhyam, ...... and kadakamukham.
What copyright-type comment should I add to the photo? Or is it better to delete the photo? --Wouterhagens 17:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Possible license issue[edit]

The image Image:West leeming primary school logo.svg was converted to SVG by the Graphics Lab. It was discussed over there and a Commons admin determined that the photo is a fair use image. Well, as you can see, it was converted to SVG anyway and given a PD-US license even though the school is an Australian school. I believe the image to be fair use but at the very least it is not PD-US. (See w:Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Images_to_improve#West Leeming Primary School Logo and w:Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Images to improve#WLPS Logo.)Nmajdan 20:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the image. It is a copyvio. -- Bryan (talk to me) 20:59, 10 March 2007 (UTC)


Could someone please undelete the west leeming primary school image which was located before deletion at [Image:West_leeming_primary_school_logo.svg] The image is fair use. On the w:Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Images_to_improve#West Leeming Primary School Logo page, all the concerns raised have been raised. The image is fair use, is in the public domain because it was created by the australian government over 50 years ago. It is not a copy vio --Symode09 00:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

No need to cross-post to four different pages. I've answered your question at the administrators' noticeboard where it is likely to get more attention. --Iamunknown 02:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
This image has never been uploaded to Commons, so we can't take any action upon your request. Maybe you could try the helpdesk of the English-language Wikipedia, located at w:en:WP:HD. They might be able to help you further. Cheers, NielsF talk/overleg/discussion/discussione 02:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)Sorry, the image/uploadlink had me fooled, my bad. See Iamunknowns statement. NielsF talk/overleg/discussion/discussione 02:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

SVG black rectangles[edit]

I created an SVG image with Inkscape: Image:JPEG process.svg but no matter what I do it keeps showing up a black rectangle in the top right part of the image. If I click on this image to view the full version in my browser (Opera) there is no problem, so the problem persists just with the MediaWiki renderer. Does anyone know how to fix this?--Konstable 00:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I thought I'd found the problem (something to do with flowed text, I thought), but I only added just 2 more unsuccesful versions to the list :-(. Major SVG-guru needed I guess. NielsF talk/overleg/discussion/discussione 02:34, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I fixed it by removing the following code:
             id="rect1967" /></flowRegion><flowPara
           id="flowPara1969">Quantization</flowPara></flowRoot>      <rect
         id="rect1971" />
If you are still seeing the black box, it might be because of some cache. Try following this link. -- Bryan (talk to me) 18:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Bryan, it had to do with the flowroot/flowed text thing, but it seems I didn't delete the right ones. NielsF talk/overleg/discussion/discussione 05:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

upload problem[edit]

tried to upload an SVG with rotating image. but i always get "This file contains HTML or script code that may be erroneously interpreted by a web browser.". what can i do ? --User:Hendrik Muus 02:32, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not quite up-to-date on scripted SVG files, but when I compared the form of your file to examples at the SVG Wiki [4] and IBM [5] and [6], I'm not confident that your file is correctly formed. That's all the help I can offer; other people feel free to add to this. --Iamunknown 01:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Request for file rename[edit]

I recently uploaded a file but had confused the source names. My account is too new to move the file. The file Dcdemo.png should be moved to Dcidemo.png Both of these files were uploaded by me. Imarcuso 19:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

The file system used on MediaWiki unfortunately does not support moving or renaming files. You should instead upload the image to the name Dcidemo.png and then tag Dcdemo.png with {{badname|Image:Dcidemo.png}} --Iamunknown 01:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Process to contact copyright owners regarding permission for images[edit]

I'm a bit confused about the process to contact copyright owners to request permission for images. To make matters more complicated, many of those images are already uploaded to Commons. The tricky situation is the vague permission statement: "Feel free to use [these] as you would like." I'm not sure how to word an e-mail to the owner. Would I ask for her/him to consider changing their notice to "Feel free to use these images as you would like including, but not limited to, commercial reuse and/or derivative works"? Or would I ask him/her to reply to me explicitly giving permission to use images from his/her site under a specific license? But if I do that, and then forward it to permission-commons AT wikimedia DOT org, how long will it take until I know that the images have been tagged? I could just list the category of images directly, and if you would like me to do that, please say so. I would like, however, to try it myself. Any comments would be sincerely appreciated. Thanks, Iamunknown 04:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll recommend to ask to license images under specific license for avoid any further confusions and request to put license notice on site. See also Commons:Email templates. --EugeneZelenko 14:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

a picture in public domain when its published before 1964[edit]

On this page [7] (in german) I read, that in the USA every picture who was published before 1964 is in the public domain. Is it right and I'm allowed to upload photos I found here to Commons? (When they weren't published in 1964 or later)--Ticketautomat 18:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

See [[8]] for more information. It depends on whether the website still has copyrights on its works, if it does then do not upload. Terence Ong 07:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


Hi there,

I uploaded a logo and didn't realise it was going to be available for everyone to use. Can this be undone? Can I remove the logo from your site?

It looks like you figured out how to create a deletion request. I have now deleted the image. Thanks for letting us know. --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 01:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Is photographing a book a copyright violation?[edit]

I photographed an Ace Double book in order to show this unusual binding. You can see the artwork in the photo, but since it's a photo, I find it hard to believe it's a copyvio. Does anyone know for sure? The file is Image:Acedouble.jpg /Entheta 03:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, as a derivative work, the image is a copyright violation. For more information, see Commons:Derivative works. I am not a lawyer. --Iamunknown 03:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok. How do I delete the file? Entheta 03:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
You should follow the link, edit the page, and type { { c o p y v i o | d e r i v a t i v e - w o r k } } without any of the extra spaces. --Iamunknown 03:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Such works violate the policy of Commons and therefore should be deleted asap. Its a copyvio, it may be allowed on English Wikipedia, but not here. Terence Ong 06:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


Hello, I hope you can help me. I found this picture [9]

[Here] stands that every picture is in the public domain, that anything published before March 1, 1989 with no copyright notice ("©", "Copyright" or "Copr.") plus the year of publication (may be omitted in some cases) plus the copyright owner (or pseudonym) is in the public domain.

Is this picture in public domain, because on the info page of this picture is the year of publication (1968), a pseudonym of the author ans no Copyright notice. In addition, this is the disclaimer of the florida photo collection--Ticketautomat 08:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

It should be in public domain. When was the image produced? I cannot see the image since the page you linked to says the connection timed out. Terence Ong 15:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
The picture was produced in 1968. The link should follow to an picture in this florida site, where you can see the both former florida senators and the governor who reigned to this time--Ticketautomat 09:09, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

How can I contact a user or contributor?[edit]


I would like to contact a user/contributor. I'm a new user. The contributor's name is Booshlack.

How do I do this? I've tried typing User talk: Booshlack into the search field and many other things but I could just be creating havoc.

All help greatly appreciated!


Galeleo The preceding unsigned comment was added by Galeleo (talk • contribs) at 04:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

You may follow this link: User talk:Booshlack --Iamunknown 04:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Nazi pictures are becoming scarce[edit]

The nazi picture currently present in the montage Image:WW2 TitlePicture For Wikipedia Article.jpg is now being questioned for deletion. I think the montage needs a nazi picture, but this is the third time (!) a nazi picture is requested to be deleted/replaced in this montage. Obviously, there are copyright issues regarding pictures from Nazi Germany, but I want to point out the following: I am having big troubles now finding a suitable nazi image for my montage. Sadly, I am seeing a future problem arising - a lack of images depicting this time in German history. Personally, I need a picture that can be used which depicts a nazi rally, i.e. marching or standing nazis with visible flags and symbols. Can anyone help? My regards, --Dennis Nilsson 06:37, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Update: I have replaced the previously questioned nazi pic with a new one, but my concern for the scarceness of nazi images still remains. Regards, --Dennis Nilsson 06:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I saw that image in passing a while ago and did notice that it included copyrighted images in the montage. I understand what you are saying, though. It took me forever to find a free image of Mussolini. I eventually cropped Image:Mussolini-portrait-crop.png from a larger photograph. I have looked everywhere for Mussolini photographs, and found none; the source was a free image already uploaded to Commons. I think that a few images may be public domain in the next few years, but until then, I'm not sure what to do. Sorry, I know this doesn't help, but I thought I would post my thoughts nonetheless. --Iamunknown 08:23, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


Why is this redirect not working: User talk:Haberlon? Is it not possible to redirect to Wikipedia from here? --Haberlon 11:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

You cannot redirect pages to another Wikimedia project, e.g. Commons to English Wikipedia or English Wikipedia to German Wikipedia. Terence Ong 12:48, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
ok, thx. --Haberlon 13:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)


i have a light that keeps blinking and i don't know what it is can you please tell me.


How to log-in or register


Can I link my website on my watertower to yours? Thanks.

great day i hope that you have a safer wa[edit]

Dear friends I hope that you are well my name is William gottke I live in ca I hope that all so day live in peace and that the people that are causeing us to to harm oneanother and that some how we can work together to help all the people live together with out thoose who would cause harm to the people us this world. I see that you have make great advances torwerds peace since we last spoke I hope that this brings greater peace to all people and that all good people of all nations will work together to stop those that are in our own ranks I am proud to say the the usa will always stand for peace and that together we can all live a better life. I my self am afraid of the bad guys but its not as bad as your great nation has it may I wish that you and yours will be safe I am just waiting for the day when I can feel safe in this world Please have a great day William gottke

quick favour..[edit]

though its stupidly minor and tedious. I require an admin to delete the old version of the image Deutscher Dom.jpg. Its just anoying see its been uploaded twice. As i said, minor and tedious.However, it would be very greatly appreciated. Fethroesforia 16:02, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I am unsure what an administrator will do, but I would say that, because the image is not vandalism and because the image is licensed into the GFDL, it must retain that first revision to comply with the GFDL license. --Iamunknown 19:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

user id[edit]

Dear Sir, Madam,

I wrote down the id that I always use at Wikipedia, but now all of a sudden I cannot use it anymore. What can I do?

Thanking you at forehand, With kind regards, 18:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

  • When you go to Special:Userlogin and type in your user name and password, does a specific message appear? --Iamunknown 19:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
  • You must create an account at Commons as well. The account at Wikipedia does not carry over here--at least not yet. Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 15:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


Am I the only one who can't see Image:Mayadeen.svg? I can't view it neither here nor at Wikipedia. --MKay 12:44, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe so, I can view the image. Think there's some software problem over at your side. Terence Ong 13:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
I, too, have no problem viewing it. --MichaelMaggs 20:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


en:Image:Virginia-Cavalier-mascot.jpg and en:Image:Scott-stadium.jpg have rather peculiar licences - is there a way of uploading the images to the Commons?--Ibn Battuta 21:31, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

The license permits commercial reuse and derivative works, and simply requires attribution in a certain manner. Those images are certainly appropriate to upload to Wikimedia Commons; just use Template:CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat, copy the terms, and upload. --Iamunknown 21:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Too new to overwrite...[edit]

Hi folks, I have currently uploaded the files Image:S-MAC.svg, Image:S-MAC2.svg, Image:S-MAC3.svg and Image:S-MAC4.svg. Due to faulty display of arrow tips I had to upload the same picture four times. Could you please delete the first three of them and move Image:S-MAC4.svg to the then empty position Image:S-MAC.svg? --Bitbert 14:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. --EugeneZelenko 15:10, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Captcha and {{Copyvio}}[edit]

Hi, the captcha feature is bothering unregistered users while inserting the {{copyvio}} template. (I guess because of the link to 01:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I got no intereference when trying to insert the template. Anyone else? --Iamunknown 01:32, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
Iamunknown: did you log out? To 87.179: I also noticed this, when I did some anonymous tagging. I will put a bug report in and see if the devs can make it so toolserver links are not counted as external. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 07:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I got on with a different internet browser that was not logged in, and got not interference. --Iamunknown 17:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

my account is too new[edit]

Could someone replace Image:Notes.png with Image:Notes_copy.png, and delete the second one? Thanks. the preceding unsigned comment is by Hoogli (talk • contribs)

Ok, done. NielsF talk/overleg/discussion/discussione 01:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

My account is too new to overwrite a previous file.[edit]

I just uploaded Image:Hyperbol.svg as an intended replacement for Image:Hyperbola.svg for the reason given in the summary. Please move it. the preceding unsigned comment is by Jesin (talk • contribs)

Ok, done. NielsF talk/overleg/discussion/discussione 01:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


I'm a newbie, ive never used the commons before, can someone please help me? how do I create images? 19:35, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by create images? Or do you mean upload? You need to register an account if you want to upload images. Terence Ong 08:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

move image[edit]

Could someone upload Image:ಈ-simple2.svg as new version of Image:ಈ-simple.svg? Thanks. 09:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

✓ Done. --EugeneZelenko 14:34, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

erase photo I uploaded[edit]

Image:Example.jpg How do I erase a photo I have uploaded by accident? Thanks! the preceding unsigned comment is by Oneswede (talk • contribs)

You can't, you would need to tag it as {{requested by author}} or {{badname}} or {{duplicate}} according to the situation. Please note that you need to have a valid reason for deleting your own picture, not just because you said so. Yonatan talk 00:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

interesting. I uploaded the first photo of myself for work just to see if I could. (not a great photo) I would like to remove the photo with the photo my work wants me to use but it appears that I can't. Is this correct?

There is some lee-way for new and inexperienced users especially who alert us to their wishes soon (eg, two weeks) after uploading a file. But in general the licenses that we accept are irrevocable, and we don't want to encourage people to think their material can be deleted on a whim. But if you were not properly informed, you cannot give proper consent, so we don't have proper permission => OK to delete. --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 06:55, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

help tagging photo for deletion[edit]

Media:Example.ogg Novic here. I uploaded a photo of myself as a test and would like to replace the photo with a more professional one. Why do I not have control over the page I created?

replace Image:100 2719.JPG with Image:sarah kahn turner.jpg the preceding unsigned comment is by Oneswede (talk • contribs)

No, you cannot delete photos yourself, you have to add {{reason for deletion}} to them and an admin such as myself will delete them. Nobody owns pages on a wiki project such as the commons, you can however own copyrights to the photos and then request their removal. Yonatan talk 00:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Yonatanh. Can you be more specific on how I add a "tag" for deletion request? the preceding unsigned comment is by Oneswede (talk • contribs)

Replied on user's talk page. Yonatan talk 01:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

St. Paul Island[edit]

I was trying to find information on St. Paul Island and your site came up. Can you tell me how to contact St. Paul regarding a visit there some time?? Does the Alaska State Ferry system go there?? Joe Carder at Thanks for your help.

You are really in the wrong place. You could try en:Wikipedia:Reference desk for such questions. --EugeneZelenko 14:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)