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Can I delete my own image contributions and how? the preceding unsigned comment was added by Lassepiirainen (talk • contribs)

Unfortunately, most free licenses (which are the only ones accepted here) are non-revocable. --Boricuæddie 00:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

But someone else licenced my picture contribution and now it's outthere without my permission. Is there any possibility of deleting this image? the preceding unsigned comment was added by Lassepiirainen (talk • contribs)

Do you mean that someone other than you uploaded the image to the Commons, or do you mean that someone used your Commons image without adhering to its license terms? Please remember that licenses acceptable on Commons do not require the user of an image to notify the author. --rimshottalk 11:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
You must be talking about Image:Janna 2.JPG, which was uploaded on December 6, 2007 by... Lassepiirainen (talk · contribs). Now today you come along as Lassepiirainen (talk · contribs) and try to revoke the PD-self license?[1] Huh? Lupo 11:50, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I tried to delete my own image contribution, cause I never gave permission to use it anywhere, and now want it to be deleted.

But you did. You clearly said {{PD-self}}.[2] Lupo 14:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I rather have the feeling that the revert war at fi:Janna Hurmerinta is the cause of your attempt to retract the image... but since I don't understand Suomi, I cannot know for sure. Lupo 14:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)


How may I crop my image, leaving my metadata alone? Any program suggestions? --staka 02:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

You could use JpegCrop or IrfanView. --rimshottalk 07:47, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. --staka 00:10, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Still struggling with category issues

I still can't figure out how to petition the bot to move a category. Specifically I'm interested in moving Category:Joueurs de l'ASSE to Category:AS Saint-Étienne players. Patstuart (talk) 21:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Is it reasonable to make a redirection of it? -- carol 22:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but there is a bot that will move the images over and make a redirection. It's not good to images in two different places. Patstuart (talk) 22:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Oh! I completely misunderstood the question -- I am very sorry and also still feeling like an idiot for making a misspelled category very recently. I think that it was Siebot who cleaned up a problem category that I had created and populated -- and the revision history makes it really seem as if GeorgHH was driving(terminology?) the bot. -- carol 00:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
Non-admins can request category moves here. --rimshottalk 07:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
✓ Done
As far as I know, CommonsDelinker can't make redirects. I've added {{move cat|Joueurs de l'ASSE|AS Saint-Étienne players}} to the bot page and redirected the old category after images was moved. --GeorgHHtalk   09:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Why can't I upload JPG

I've tried several times to upload a JGP image to commons and keep getting the error message that there is no acceptable extension (but there is!).

Also, am I right to assume an image is my own if it was taken by a doctor, given to me and edited by me?Floranerolia 04:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I would like the file IPTG (CBD).png to be copied over IPTG.png. The new file is a better ChemDraw version of what is already available with the proper stereochemistry.

Copyright status question

I'm sure this question has been asked many times before (and, if so, pointing me to the right place will be much appreciated), but what would the copyright status of a picture be in the following situation? Suppose I am a tourist in some exotic place taking pictures left and right and suddenly seeing something that I just have to have a picture of with me in the frame. So, naturally, I'm asking the first friendly stranger to take a picture, which s/he does, leaving me be after doing so. Problem is, who is the copyright holder of the picture? The picture is taken using my camera at my request, and it is highly unlikely that the stranger will recognize the picture s/he made even if they see it a couple days later. There is no way to find that person to make sure the picture can be released under GFDL, which is what I may want to do. So, from the copyright/licensing point of view, is there anything that can be done with this picture except filing it in my private photo album? I realize that in real life it is hardly an issue, and people treat such pictures as their own, but if one needs to be anal about a particular image, what is the right approach? Thanks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

That's an interesting question. My first thought is that the picture was taken under contract to you (even if no many changed hands) and thus belongs to you, much like work done for an employer belongs to the employer rather than the employee. But I don't know if that stands up legally. Powers 18:47, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
The photographer is always the copyright holder. This isn't a problem for personal use, but it does mean it cannot be published without their consent. Under US law, a work is only considered a work for hire if the photographer is a regular employee of the would-be copyright holder or acting under a written contract specifically stating that the outcome is a work for hire. Legislation in other jurisdictions will of course vary, but I doubt you'll find any jurisdiction that would allow anyone but the photographer to claim copyright over such an image. LX (talk, contribs) 19:31, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
But that's the problem—there is no way to track the photographer down even if one really, really wants to. Besides, what about proof? Even if a picture is released, say, into public domain, and (in a highly unlikely scenario) a person claiming to be the photographer shows up later and claims the rights to the picture, how are they going to prove their authorship? I am the only person possessing the negatives/original digital image, so doesn't it mean that the photographer has released all of the rights to me when they failed to keep an original? After all, if they were worried about the image copyright, they could have declined my request to take a picture in the first place, no?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
I understand that may a difficulty, but the law doesn't make exceptions simply to convenience those who wish to publish works by others. Material ownership of a copy, even if it is the only or original copy, has no bearing on immaterial authorship rights. It may, as you say, affect the ability to prove a case, but we don't violate copyright laws just because we think we can get away with it or because it's convenient. Agreeing to take a photograph does not imply a copyright waiver or a publishing licence; most probably, a person agreeing to take such a photo probably expects it to be kept for personal purposes only. LX (talk, contribs) 17:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, alright, based on this I may from now on want to start explicitly soliciting permission of picture-takers to re-release such images under a free license (and speaking of which, would a verbal confirmation be sufficient as far as uploading the image to Wikicommons is concerned?). Also, speaking of laws, can you tell me which specific one you based your answer on? Thanks much!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Looking for a hand for a video conversion

Hi there! I'd love to provide a 38-second QuickTime video for Wikipedia. For that, I've spent half an hour trying to figure out how to do that on my Linux system. Since neither tools nor the online platform worked for me, I'm wondering where I could get help on that. Or, might there be a use with a good video software which could do the thing within two minutes? If so, please do not hesitate to get in touch at bigbug21 at web dot de. I'd then send the 1.4 MB file. --Bigbug21 22:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad to report that after another hour of research, I was able to convert the file. --Bigbug21 19:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

How can I delete my own pictures?

Hello, I uploaded a picture but documented it wrong and at the wrong way and everything was wrong and it is a complete mess now. Help! I can nowhere see an option to delete this image myself! Where is it? the preceding unsigned comment was added by Rammiesheep (talk • contribs) 20:24, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

You cannot delete an image yourself. You can easily change the image description, though. Just click the "edit"-button, like on any other Wikipedia page. If you have uploaded an image with a wrong name, upload it again with the better name and add {{badname|better name}} to the badly named image. --rimshottalk 22:04, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
There is a workaround. Just upload a new picture with a new description and apply the {{badname}}
template to change
or change/delete the permission and it will be deleted. --Richard Bartz 23:46, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm guessing you refer to Image:Tsunade..jpg, a screenshot from a non-free television show. It was automatically tagged for deletion as a copyright violation when you added {{Non-free comic}} to the image description, because Commons cannot host images with reference to fair use provisions. See Commons:Licensing.
In general, useful free images are not deleted without a valid reason, which does not include the mere wishes of the uploader. See Commons:Deletion guidelines for valid reasons for deletion and the appropriate corresponding tags and procedures. LX (talk, contribs) 09:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

New Category

I have created the category Flora of Israel, and placed it in the parent category Plants of Israel. However, the new categry doesn't appear in the parent category's page. How come? Gidip 12:03, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

??? I see it in the parent category as first entry. -- Cecil 12:08, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
It appears for me, but there's something I wonder about: what's the difference supposed to be between Category:Flora of Israel, Category:Flowers of Israel and Category:Israel:Flowers? Surely one of those should suffice, no? --rimshottalk 12:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Well it doesn't appear for me... Flora and flowers are not the same. What you could argue is that "flora of Israel" is the same as "plants of Israel". Gidip 12:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Now it DOES appear! Gidip 12:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
What's the difference between "Flora of Israel" and "Plants of Israel", then? Forgive my ignorance when it comes to biology ;) --rimshottalk 13:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Connors/Vilas Image Use

I've tried to use the images of Jimmy Connors and Guillermo Vilas at Wikimedia Commons at their Wikipedia article pages. No go. What must I do? (can't find tilde symbol on my keyboard)

Welcome to Wikimedia Commons. Have you readen this article from Wikipedia help ? It should answer your questions. Regards --Richard Bartz 00:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

rename of Image:Oomura masujiro statue-new.jpg

Apparently my account is too new to do this: could an admin please replace Image:Oomura masujiro statue.jpg by Image:Oomura masujiro statue-new.jpg. Thanks. --Liyang 02:13, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Done ;-) --Richard Bartz 07:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, er... I'm slightly confused. I wanted to replace the original image (with a better photograph), but was told my account is too new to do this, hence the earlier request for admin intervention. However the original is now tagged with a badname template, which seems to imply that uses of the original image should be edited to point to the new one instead, which I was trying to avoid. Is it not possible to rename the -new.jpg to the original .jpg filename, overwriting it? --Liyang 22:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry that i misunderstood you ;-). I reuploaded the picture for you. --Richard Bartz 23:32, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Link to latest files

Where has the link to the latest files gone that used to be on the left under the navigation heading? Oxyman 19:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

For me, it's listed under "participate" in the navigation bar. --Matt314 20:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
OK I'm seeing it again now Oxyman 21:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Uploading caption from a Museum exhibit

I uploaded this image of an ancient tablet from a museum. Is it possible to upload the museum caption with original Greek text of the inscription, English translation and other useful infos?--Filos96 19:48, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion it would be better if you add this informations as text in the image description. If used in the different projects later then, this makes your picture much more valuable and efficient. I know that data preparation is exhausting :-)) Regards --Richard Bartz 00:28, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

How do i change the name on an image i just uploaded?

? i uplaoded Image:048.jpg|After the Marriage-proposal, c.1909, oil on canvas, (c) Prins Collections, Jerusalem by Benjamin L. Prins (Dutch, 1860-1934) yet there is another image 048.jpg which is taking the place of mine on the site i am connecting. please help. i think i would like to just remane my imagethe preceding unsigned comment was added by Drkup (talk • contribs)

Welcome. With a naming of 048.jpg this problem will occur over and over, even if you reupload your picture over the new version. To avoid this, please upload by using a explicit nomenclature and change the imagename in the article. Best regards --Richard Bartz 00:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
After you've uploaded it, you can upload another file with a different name, and mark the first one with the {{badname|Image:Newfilename.ext}}. Patstuart (talk) 23:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Mick Jagger August 6, 2006 - Dübendorf, ZH.jpg

Can one of you Admins go to this photo and just delete it ?

There's been a deletion notice on this photo since December 2006 !!!!!

What's going on ?

Tovojolo 18:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Drop a note at COM:AN. Patstuart (talk) 23:54, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Is it possible?

Is it possible to add/post an image that is a compilation of a free use image and your own work? Habaneroman 21:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, just make sure you give the source for each and every image in the compilation. Patstuart (talk) 23:52, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Possible problems with GFDL'd 1980s images

While dealing with an image on en-Wikipedia, I followed up on Image:JeanGenet-HansKoechler1983.jpg, and from that I found a series of pictures from the 1980s that are claimed to be GFDL, but I see no evidence provided that the uploader was the photographer (though I suppose it is possible). See Special:Contributions/Rp2511. Where should I report this? Carcharoth (Commons) 23:22, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Nominate it for deletion. Go the image, and check the text under the toolbox. Explain your reasoning in depth. Patstuart (talk) 23:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Done. Thanks. I had forgotten Commons has that tool. I tried to turn it into an umbrella nomination, but someone else will have to finish that for the other pictures, as I'm not sure what needs doing. Carcharoth (Commons) 00:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


I just uploaded Image:Elves-shoemaker.gif. When I click on the image so I'm opening it directly, it displays nicely, but when it's loaded in a wikimedia or wikipedia page, it looks awful. I'm not sure what's wrong with the file or how to fix it. Any advice? Thanks. - Themightyquill 15:58, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Problem solved. Whoever said MS Paint was useless software was... actually, they were mostly correct, but in this one case, it proved useful. - Themightyquill 03:07, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL) copyright and CC 3.0

  1. Is it okay to use a copyrighted image from RFE/RL? I saw several other images on Wikimedia Commons taken from RFE/RL website which are used on Wikipedia. Here is their reprint policy. And here is a picture I uploaded and hopefully marked correctly as copyrighted: . If it's a violation of Wiki Commons policy, please delete it. Just want to check before I use it in an article.
  2. Also, I'd like to use an image from website, particularly from this article. On the bottom of the page it says that they're using Creative Commons License 3.0. Is it compatible with Wikimedia Commons?

Thanks --Kimse 05:27, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

  1. No. "RFE/RL reserves the right to revoke permission for use of its content at any time." Commons only accepts content that is irrevocably free. If you have seen content from this site on Wikipedia, they are either policy violations, or they appear under fair use provisions in a language edition which permits that.
  2. The licence is appropriate for Commons, but it is only valid if they are the copyright holders to that image or they are authorised by the copyright holder to issue that licence for the image. LX (talk, contribs) 12:36, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Rapid Transport Maps

Hi, I've just joined commons and want to contribute some public transport maps, particularly ones of metro systems . Are there any templates or style guides on how to do stations, lines etc? Or is it entirely down to me? Also, what sort of size does the overall canvas need to be so it is suitable for an article. I'm using Inkscape. Kvj 13:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't know of any style guides or templates, but you can get a lot of inspiration at Category:Rapid transit maps. As for the canvas size: it does not really matter, as the images will be saled to suitable size. Just make sure you fill out the canvas. --rimshottalk 13:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

What means "no source added ?

If I have added to an uploaded image that I was the author what means than the mention: 'no source added'. the preceding unsigned comment was added by Willy Leenders (talk • contribs) 18:34, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Suggestion to use a structure such as in for example Image:Gent - Redemptoristen 1.jpg to upload images. "Me" is not an author: if someone reloads the same image over yours (for example after processing), who will be the "me" ? And the uploader is not necessarily the source of the work.

Your signature can be added to your talks by hitting the third icon from the right above the edition window: this inserts a --~~~~ sequence (dash-dash+four tildes) that is automatically expanded by the system to the authors name and the current date. --Foroa 22:12, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


Help help help. I have uploaded two images and this is proving far too complicated for words. I wanted to add them to a page that I found with images on it so I clicked 'upload file' Category:Border signs of French Departments However the files are not appearing on the page, why is this?? Can anyone help? Do they need linking to the page? If so how??? the preceding unsigned comment was added by Anthony1974 (talk • contribs) 22:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

See Commons:First steps, particularly Commons:First steps/Sorting. LX (talk, contribs) 22:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Better now ? Look at the differences in the history of your files. Indeed too complicated for words: just try or do it. --Foroa 22:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

How to replace an existing image with a corrected one?

I have corrected the exposure on the Image:Змей Горыныч.jpg image, but not sure how to upload the new version.--1mrg3105 08:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC) PS.Could the reply be to en:User:Mrg3105 in Wikipedia?--1mrg3105 09:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

There's a link "upload a new version" on the image page, it works just like a regular upload, but instead of an image description you must give an explanation of why you uploaded a new version. If you think that anyone could object to the new version, it is better to upload it under a new name. --rimshottalk 09:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the speedy reply! I hadn't noticed the feature--1mrg3105 10:12, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Lots of info, no help

As with a lot of the internet today, there is a lot of information here but little that helps me! I want to know how to upload a photo, in line with the copyright issues. I dont understand all this copyright stuff, even after reading the help contents (there's vast amounts of info on it).can some one confirm to me this is the process?

1. find photo
2. find copyright info
3. upload image onto wiki
4. enter copyright info found (is this called tagging?)

Many thanks δ² 15:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC) the preceding unsigned comment was added by Deltasquared (talk • contribs) 17:56, 12. Apr. 2008

Looks roughly right. Do note that the copyright information has to be of a particular nature for the image to be acceptable on Commons: we only accept works under a free license issued by the author and works in the public domain.
Have you tried reading our Commons:First steps guide? It's a good summary of the processes you need to know, and it's probably as concise as it can get. You also need to have at least a basic understanding of Commons:Licensing before uploading. Feel free to ask more if you have any specific questions. LX (talk, contribs) 23:27, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


Somehow I didn't mark Image:Grandavbusdep.JPG correctly as Public Domain Self, but the defect in the mark is not specified by the bot warhing. Where do I click to make the {{PD-self}}template effective so the bot won't delete it? Jim.henderson 17:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Klick edit on the image description page and replace the bot message {{no license|month=April|day=12|year=2008}} with the {{PD-self}} tag. Then klick save page - that's all. --GeorgHHtalk   18:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you kindly. I thought I did it that way, but must have been asleep or something. It worked on the second try. I guess there are a lot of copyviolators and you have to snarl fiercely at them. What a bore; much more fun to snap and upload our own pictures than steal someone else's. Jim.henderson 23:45, 12 April 2008 (UTC)


Who has deleted this image in the first days of the current month? Why has it been deleted? Why was me, the author, not informed?--Ulamm 12:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

As you can see from the deletion log, it was deleted by Zirland with "In category Copyright violations; no license" as the stated reason.
I can also see from the deleted revisions that it was tagged as a copyright violation on 3 April by Maihime, who also left the following additional comment: "obviously a recent commercial map was used for this map. There is no evidence at all that it is under a free license." Maihime ought to have notified you of this, but it appears that this unfortunately did not happen.
Commons:Undeletion requests is the place to request undeletion if you wish to do so. If you do, it would probably be helpful to include information on how the map was made and what aids were used in the process. LX (talk, contribs) 13:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

SS Dakota from the library of congress

Hi. Can I upload this image [3] on Commons or Wikipedia? More broadly, can I use any of the "Photographs from the Detroit Publishing Company, 1880-1920" (link at the top of that page I linked to)? Thanks. Ha! 22:48, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, you may. Most of the Detroit Publishing Company photos were published before 1923, making them PD in the U.S.[4] Use {{PD-US}} as the license tag, and {{LOC-image|digital ID}} for the source. BTW, the link you gave doesn't work; it's a temporary search result link only. Use the short link given at the bottom of each image page at the LOC to link to an image, e.g. The source tag for this image would then be {{LOC-image|det.4a30666}}. Lupo 08:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Woops. I should have checked the URL. Thank you for your help. Ha! 09:38, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Jeg har litt problemer med å laste opp bilder. Jeg har lastet opp ett bilde av Bente Lind.jpg som det settes spørsmålstegn ved opphavsretten. Jeg var Bente's manager og har skrevet alle melodiene til hennes plater på MANU. Gjennom mitt foto-studio "Star-Music" tok jeg alle bildene til platecovere og til PR-bruk. Jeg mener dette må være god nok dokumentasjon på min opphavsrett.

Forøvrig er der et bilde til artikkelen om The Dandy Girls som jeg tok i Japan. Jeg ser at Torill Bakken er oppgitt som kilde, og det er helt greit for meg. Men hun kan jo ikke ha tatt bildet idet hun selv er med på bildet. (Det ble ikke brukt selvutløser). Jeg kan jo laste opp bildene i Tif eller Bitmap om det skulle være ønskelig, men jpg er den enkleste å bruke i mail.

Jeg har ikke fått til å laste bildet av Bente opp til artikkelen om henne "Bente Lind". mvh Thor G. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thor G (talk • contribs) at 14:50, 14 Apr 2008 (UTC)

Screenshot licesne query

What license should a screenshot of the English Wiktionary being displayed in Internet Explorer 6 have? The screenshot shows only the category bar overlapping the general disclaimer bar. It does not show any of the scroll bars, page surround or window decorations, etc. Thryduulf 17:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Image from Otherwebsite

Hi, I wanted to use an Image form another website, but not aware of the copyright for that Image on that particular site. The problme here is that the image is very old (black and White) and is widely available as poster in India as it is a Phot/Portrait of an Author/Poet, who died in 1947 (more than 60 years ago). Not only available from various sources in Print media, but the same image is posted on various other websites as well. I doubt that there is no Copyright associated with this image now, but still wanted to be sure before uploading it to Commons, is there any way to find out? or else, if you want to know about the image, try searching with "ઝવેરચંદ મેઘાણી" on google, and you'll see number of images with a Turban on head or here. This is for the page on entitled gu:ઝવેરચંદ મેઘાણી... Any help will be greatly appreciated.--Dsvyas 10:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Will be good idea to try to find photographer name and date of death. --EugeneZelenko 14:57, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes. Would also be good to say now what should be done if that information is not available or not known. It is surprising how many cases there are where the photographer is not known. In that case, some other clause in the relevant copyright law usually applies, often, but not always, relating to the point of first publication. Carcharoth (Commons) 23:25, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi EugeneZelenko, Thanks for your reply, but it is impossible to find the name of Photographer, as its a way old image, probably it is not a photograph as in those days, there was not such a common tradition to take photographs in India, this might be a portrait (however it looks more like a photograph), and if so, impossible to get artist's name as well. When you say, date of Death, whose death? photographer's/srtis's or of the person whose phot/portrait is it? if it is about the person, then he died on 9th March 1947. Now tell me what can be done in this case?
Thanks Carcharoth, thats what exactly my point was, as I was sure from the begining that this information was not going to be there, would like to know what the copyright act says in such case where the creater is unknown? So far as I am aware, copyright act in India says 'copyrights are void after 60 years of publication', not I am not sure whether it even applies if the work is reprinted.--Dsvyas 09:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I just found on Indian Copyright law that the work becomes free in case of:
  • Anonymous/Pseudonymous/Posthumous works, Photographs, Movies, Sound recordings, - Sixty years from the beginning of the year following the year in which it was published.
Hence, in present case, as the person died 60 years ago, obviously the photograph was taken when he was alive, hence It has been definitely more than 60 years of Publication of the Image, and in that case this Image is now in Public Domain. Please let me know if this is not a correct interpretation.--Dsvyas 09:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
One problem. The image you linked seems to have a signature or date at bottom right. Does the image you want to upload have anything similar? Also, there is a distinction drawn between works that were anonymous at the time of publication, and that have become anonymous due to loss of information over time. Which is this? Carcharoth (Commons) 10:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes, what you can see on the bottom right corner is Date (as it seems to be), which I could read as 2.4.21. Reagrding second question Nothign can be commented, I would personally feel it as "loss of information over time", but possibility of its being "anonymous at the time of publication" can even not be ruled out. I have uploaded the image with tag PD-Ind as Image:zaverchandmeghani.jpg, have a look at it and suggest.--Dsvyas 13:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
It still needs a source to verify that it was first published before 1947. -- 13:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Please read my comment above posted at 09:43, 11 April 2008 and suggest...Dsvyas 16:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

delete image from my gallery

How can I delete images from my gallery in Commons? Zlerman 17:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Did you mean gallery page or image itself? --EugeneZelenko 14:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Public Domain

Can I change a public domain image license? Put it in CC, for example?

I want to upload the image [5], public domain, to Flickr. Mateus XD 19:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Public domain is the most free of all "licenses"; in fact, it is not really a license, as the copyright holder is waiving all rights and everyone is allowed to do whatever they want with the image, without any attribution etc. However, you can't claim a stricter license (lice CC or GNU-FDL) for an image which was released into the public domain by its copyright holder (in the case of the image in question: en:User:1dragon); such a claim would be invalid - the image remains in the public domain. Gestumblindi 01:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
The public domain license might be bogus in this case: the Pokemon cards are quite certainly copyrighted. One could argue that no single card is in the focus of the photograph, but I don't think the image would stay on Commons for very long. --rimshottalk 06:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Quite right; I'm going to bring it up at en.wikipedia. Powers 15:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Flickr upload

I'm probably posting this to the wrong board, so shoot me. But the process of uploading a Creative Commons photo from Flickr is way too complicated for me to understand, apparently. I've been reading Wikipedia rules on Fliflo and FlickrLickr and going from page to page of instructions, and I am getting nowhere. Here is the photo I want to upload:

Here is as far as I have gotten.

Help! — Walloon 14:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

You can try User:Flickr upload bot, which will probably make it easier. Specifically [6]. Patstuart (talk) 19:54, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

News Reporting Websites

I was looking through the topics and I still wasn't sure if we're allowed to use images from the AP or AFP or what not. If so, how exactly would we phrase the license or whatever? Fatla00 03:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Basically, images from AP, AFP and other news agencies aren't allowed on Commons. Samulili 05:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Unable to log in

I am unable to log in, even after using the temporary e-mailed password. My password is set to "remember on this computer". After attempting this three or four times today, as well as previously this month, I am here posting this. I understand that this is a separate server from WP, although it seems I have more success after logging in there first, then coming here to Commons(the passwords are same) Thankyou in advance, Marcia Wright

How I can upload a picture

Hi Marcia;

You might want to try asking the tech staff who are lurking in IRC (#wikimedia-tech). Geoff Plourde :D 03:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyright violation in a file comming from en.Wikipedia.

Gaianauta 09:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC) Hi, I got a copyright violation message in uploading the file PicassoGuernica.jpg, which I took from the english wikipedia. Can't the pictures from wikipedia be brought under the same rationale ('Fair use rationale') used there?

No, this is an image repository, not an encyclopedia, that is why fair use is not allowed here. See COM:FAIRUSE. --rimshottalk 09:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Proving ownership of images

First, I apologize if this isn't the right place to ask this sort of question.

I've been uploading some pictures that I took myself, with my own camera, a few years ago. I earlier submitted some of those photos to another photo-sharing website, with my name plainly attached to them. Now I'd like to use some of those photos on Wikipedia pages I've been working on. Another Commons user continues to tag my images as copyvios, citing that other site on which I had posted them. How can I indicate that I have the right to these photos, as I took them myself? Thanks for any help you might provide. QQQQQQ 15:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

The user seems to be concerned that the images have been copied from where it says that "the images either belong to Marc Welby or Mike Sells". Are you either of these two individuals? Hopefully we'll be able to get this sorted fairly easily. Regards. Adambro 16:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your comment. The images I posted are from the section of that site, where many different people have submitted images that they have taken, which the two individuals you mention host there on their site. QQQQQQ 16:20, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
So, if I presume you've only uploaded images which are credited to you, does that make you Bradley Gallagher? Adambro 17:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Ahh, I see that is what you've said on one of the images you've uploaded. So if I send an email to the address listed for you on that website you'll be able to respond to confirm your identity? Adambro 17:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Yes. QQQQQQ 17:37, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Email sent. Awaiting reply. Adambro 17:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm now satisfied that QQQQQQ is credited as the photographer of a number of image on the website and therefore any such images are not copyright violations. Thanks to QQQQQQ for their cooperation in resolving this issue. OTRS ticket number 2008041910009925 refers to these images and can be quoted if any more issues arise regarding them, an OTRS volunteer can then check this ticket to confirm the identity. Adambro 18:31, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


I'm not familiar with commons and don't know how to report something like this. This vandal inserted a pornographic shock image into a commons image that was on Today's Featured Article on Special:Contributions/Watergiven. If someone could block (and also point me in the direction of how to handle this in the future I would be much obliged). --JayHenry 20:32, 19 April 2008 (UTC) --JayHenry 20:32, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Blocked indefinitely, Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Vandalism is probably the best place to report such incidents. Regards. Adambro 23:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

In Good Faith, I do not understand why you keep deleting my files

identical categories?

I assume that Category:Wrangell-St. Elias National Park and Preserve and Category:Wrangell-St. Elias National Park are about the same Park. Where/How could I initiate a discussion about splicing them into one single category? --Ibn Battuta 18:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

See Commons:Categories for discussion. --EugeneZelenko 14:54, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I reported the issue there. Gestumblindi 01:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Not-quite duplicates

I tagged an image a while back with the duplicate tag because it was the same picture as another image, albeit a different size. It got deleted, but the log noted NOT an exact duplicate. is there a special tag for images which have the same picture but at different dimensions? -mattbuck (Talk) 14:42, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

A lower resolution version of the same image (at least to my understanding) gets deleted as the wiki software creates and stores different sizes as they are requested from this and other wiki. -- carol 08:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Galleries vs. categories

I think I remember seeing a poll about whether images should be organised into galleries or categories. Does anyone happen to know the link? Spellcast 07:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

What is the problem with having both? -- carol 08:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Commons:Images on normal pages or categories:Vote. There's a link to it from Commons:Categories#Categories in Wikimedia Commons. LX (talk, contribs) 09:23, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah yes that's the one. In an ideal world, there would be one system for consistency, but both are fine. I was just curious what the results were. I suspect there would be a similar result if the poll was done again. Spellcast 09:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
In Commons:Images_on_normal_pages_or_categories:Vote#Categories_and_Galleries:_two_different_things, I retried to explain the major differences. --Foroa 10:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

spelling and linking articles

So, i am a new user. I go to the article "rakaposhi" but (i think its the portal)#1. can i change anything in the portal, like off of wikimedia/commons? #2. i want to change the spellings to "Räkapoşi" or put a link to it, how do i do that?

Do you mean like this Räkapoşi or put a link under Räkapoşi? --Kanonkas 17:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


I need help with licensing my images on Joe Bianchi article. [email address removed]

Please post your image link here and I'll see what I can do --Kanonkas 17:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikimedia Commons. Please open a account and log in then i can help you. Regards --Richard Bartz 23:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Posting an image with an article

I submitted an aticle to Wikipedia in Nov. 2006. I want to post an image to coincide with the text. The article "Uqair" was published but the image I have submitted is not on the page of the same title - even though it has been submitted. Is it possible to post the image with the article?

You want to add a picture to a article, well look at this article is this correct? If so, then add the following

[Image:Some name here.jpg|thumb|right]

PS. You need two [[ on each sides. --Kanonkas 17:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


Dear all,

I was wondering if someone can help me out with the following problem.

I am a webmaster. I am trying to upload an image with the name above. This image is also on my website. I am the photographer too. I have used the licence tags CC and GNU.

Its been chosen for rapid deletion since the picture is on my web site. It seems that I can not upload any picture that I have on my website because of copyryght violations. How can I help this? Do I have to put something on my web so that is clear that the images are usable and copyright free?? How? What kind of text do I have to put on the website?

Thank you for helping.

It's a bit complicated to upload a simple image. I think I have to send an email somewhere to state that I am the owner of the picture. Can I have the link to the email template and clear example of what do I have to fill in?

OO Btw, you can find my email is on this page of my web site: under Contactos section.

Thank you again!--Arcillaroja 16:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Besides being the webmaster, are you the copyright owner of the site's content? If that is the case, can you prove it? Is the image published at that website under the mentioned free licenses (CC-* & GNU-*), so anyone can check it out? If not, have you sent the proper email template to the OTRS address? Regards. --Dodo 17:27, 21 April 2008 (UTC) PS. This is the second different image you have uploaded without answering these questions. Why?
Well that is why I'm asking for guidance. Please tell me how can I probe that the image published at my website is under CC-* & GNU-*.
Can someon explain me please which email template do I have to use for this and what exactly do I have to fill in the email to make clear that:
1 I am the photographer, and that I am also the copyright owner
2 I want this foto to be used freely and I don't want any copyright restrictions applied to the image.
Apart form the email. Do I need something else? It should not be that difficult! It is my picture, published on my site and I only want to share it with the wiki community.
Please I'm not copyright expert and I read I honestly don't understand what else could I do.
Please help :)--Arcillaroja 20:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi there! I sent the email template to OTRS. Do I have to wait till I receive an email back stating that my permision has been registered in order to upload the file or shall I just upload it and in the description state that I sent the email to OTRS?--Arcillaroja 18:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

quiero borrar una imagen/I want to erase a picture

hola.quiero borrar Image:Tierra-GL_581_d.jpg Tierra-GL 581 d.jpg y también Image:HAT-P-7b.JPG HAT-P-7b.JPG (pero no Image:HAT-P-7b.jpg HAT-P-7b.jpg, con jpg en minúsculas) de mi cuenta. ¿Debe hecerlo un administrador, o podría yo mismo? eso. gracias.

(I want to delete Image:Tierra-GL_581_d.jpg and Image:HAT-P-7b.JPG (but not Image:HAT-P-7b.jpg, whith the .jpg written on lower case) from my account. this most be done by an administrator, or cout do ir my self?Comu nacho 22:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Help needed for right license for Hylton Castle photo

I have uploaded a photo for Hylton Castle. It has been requested I provide the source of the photgraphic material used.

Being new to Wikkicommons I am not sure how to format the information you need other than to say I took and produced the image . Freely enter it into the public domain and need assistance to find the correct license and for editor to put the correct information in for FilBot. the preceding unsigned comment was added by Ian Snowball (talk • contribs)

It looks like you messed up the table, which I have fixed. If you took a photo yourself, and it is of something which could not claim to be copyright, use the upload section "entirely your own work" and publish under something like cc-by-sa-3.0. Also, please sign your messages on the help desk using four tildes (~~~~). Oh, and the image, for anyone else, is Image:HYLTON CASTLE.JPG. -mattbuck (Talk) 10:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

How to delete an image

How would I delete an image i uploaded? the preceding unsigned comment was added by Esthermkoo (talk • contribs) 18:40, 22. Apr. 2008

Hai there!

You can mark it your self to be deleted.

If you need guidance to this let me know.--Arcillaroja 18:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Argh! Forgot my password!

I forgot to enter my email address when registering too, so I can't just recover it that way... :( Is there any way that I can regain access to my account? I don't really want to register another one unless there's no other choice. Help would be much appreciated. Thanks. -- 18:22, 22 April 2008 (UTC)


I recently uploaded a duplicate image to the commons with the same name that is being used "locally" on a wikipedia article. My intention was for the article to use the image from the new location where it now resides in the commons. There are now however two files and two pages with the same image and the same name. Sorry for the novice blunder. Steve3849 23:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem, it that case put {{subst:ncd}} to the description page at wikipedia. --GeorgHHtalk   07:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Show Globe


I am trying to upload this file into the commons to put in the show globe article and having a terribel time. I thought the image was already in the commons. Please help me. I feel desperate. Zeusshadow 18:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)zeusshadow

The picture does exist on Commons, it's Image:Red Hanging Show Globe2.jpg. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 18:32, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:NewPpf small.png

The orginator of Image:NewPpf small.png kindly sent me by email an improved edited version. (He said that he had forgotten how to donwnlad -- it has been a while.) I do not know how to download the improved version. Where do I go to look for directions? Thanks. --Thomasmeeks 19:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I guess you mean upload ... in that case, there is a link "Upload a new version of this file" in the image description. The original uploader can do that as well, there really isn't a whole lot to forget, unless one forgets the password of course. --rimshottalk 21:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Right: Upload. Thx for link. I tried but failed: the "Save page" was selected, but the file I tried to upload did not upload, even though History tab registered a change. (I did choose the GNU Free Documentation License.) Any thing I should do next? Thank you. --Thomasmeeks 23:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
You did everything right, you even provided a good upload summary, which many people forget. I can see the updated image, but I guess that your browser still holds a cached version. Once you reload the page you should also see the new version. Maybe it was Commons' cache, and the problem solved itself overnight. --rimshottalk 07:29, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Thx for your patiemce. (I'm feeling my newbyness here.) I'm still getting the previous image. And it is not showing up at the 3 Wikipedia File links of the image (apparently automatically unlisted at the bottom of Image:NewPpf small.png, where minutes ago I could see them, including at Any additional suggestions would be welocme. Thank you. --Thomasmeeks 21:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


hi! please look at my uploaded pictures!! When i am uploading them, they were not shown in the picture frame. instead there is a little red cross in the corner of the frame. i am trying uploading jpg between 1 and 5 MB. where is the problem?--Seydelmann 13:07, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Your files seem to be corrupted and cannot be displayed properly. How were they created? Jastrow (Λέγετε) 18:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I got them from our designer, who retouched them with photoshop. some of them i changed with photoshop from tif tpo jpg. thanks for your help! --Seydelmann 11:33, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

They are in the CMYK color space. As far as I know, Wikimedia only supports RGB color space. When converting them from TIF to JPG, could you select RGB? --rimshottalk 11:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
If you want to upload images from the Maschinenfabrik Seydelmann KG, you also need to send us a formal release for your images from a e-mail address, e.g. from "sales". Image:KK 140-AC6.jpg is the same as the image shown here. Send your release to, stating clearly to which images it applies. Your release must clearly state under which license you provide these images. It must be a free license and it must not be restricted to Wikipedia-only use. If you really want to put these images in the public domain or license them freely, state so clearly in your e-mail. But be aware that once released under a free license, you cannot retract that release, and such a release would also allow the competitors of Seydelmann KG to use these images for whatever purpose. Without an explicit release from the Seydelmann company, these images will be deleted. Lupo 12:10, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyright in Cuba


I found a foto of Fidel Castro and N. Costa Mendez taken in Cuba in 1982 and published 1993 in the book "Malvinas, Esta es la historia", Nicanor Costa Mendez, Editorial Sudamericana, Buenos Aires, Argentina, 1993, ISBN 950-07-0837-X, (Author=Unknown).

Do you know about the copyright of the foto? Can I upload the photo? Under which license?

Thanks in Advance, --[[User:Createaccount|Antipatico]] 13:52, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I know nothing of the specifics of copyright in Cuba, but it is a member of the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works which for photographic works requires a minimum protection term of 25 years after the photography was created. If Cuba were applying this minimum term, the protection of the 1982 photograph in question would have recently expired in Cuba; however, I believe that the photograph still would be protected in the United States for a very long time (because it was protected in Cuba on January 1, 1996 - see Uruguay Round Agreements Act) and therefore you can't upload it; also, it seems rather unlikely to me that Cuba itself is applying only this minimum term required by the Berne Convention, as many countries rather use a term similar to literary works, e.g. 50 or 70 years after the author's death (post mortem auctoris). Therefore the probability that the photography in question can't be uploaded here is very high, in my personal opinion (I'm not an expert on legal matters) - there may be some intricacies of Cuban law not yet known to me allowing it (provided the photo wasn't protected in Cuba on January 1, 1996), but this seems unlikely. Gestumblindi 23:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
See User:Lupo/Hairy copyright#Cuba. For photographs, the Berne Convention allows shorter terms, and Cuba indeed has 25 years since publication (was 10 years until 1994). At en-WP, they have en:Template:PD-Cuba. I'm not sure it is correct. On the one hand, the situation may actually be slightly more favorable if the Cuban term extension in 1994 applied only to works still copyrighted then. On the other hand, the situation may be even worse, depending on the text of the 1903 treaty with the U.S. and whether that treaty is still in force. (There's two Google books links on the talk page at en-WP, but neither shows me any text. Dunno why.) Also, Cuba is a UCC member since 1957. But if that Argentinian publication were the first one, the image would be treated internationally as an Argentinian work anyway. Lupo 07:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

uploading pictures

hi! please look at my uploaded pictures!! When i am uploading them, they were not shown in the picture frame. instead there is a little red cross in the corner of the frame. i am trying uploading jpg between 1 and 5 MB. where is the problem? --Seydelmann 13:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Did you read the reply above? There's no need to ask questions twice. --rimshottalk 08:32, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

ups, im sorry! --Seydelmann 11:15, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

GPS map screenshots

I have created some maps using my GPS software (eg. Pelion_West_Map_GPS.jpg‎ for the article on Mount Pelion West)and wasn't sure what copyrigt tag to put on. I used the self|GFDL|cc-by-sa-all but as Ozhiker pointed out the maps are likely copyrighted. I have since established that they are and have contacted the producer of the maps and gained permission to use them in my Wikipedia articles. The wording was "Feel free to use images of the product we simply require you to state that the screen captures of maps are taken from DiscoverAus Streets and Track Topo Copyright PSMA and Next Destination Pty Ltd"

I am just not sure what tag to use because I find the whole copyright area confusing. Any assistance gladly received. PelionClimber 14:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Need someone to move uploaded image to final location

I recently created a higher resolution version of Image:AMS Euler sample.png. When I tried to upload it, I was told that my account was too new to upload an image where one already exists, to upload it under a different name, and then ask someone here to move it to its correct location. So, could someone here please move Image:AMS Euler sample tmp.png to Image:AMS Euler sample.png? Thank you so much. Kyle Barbour 09:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a begin square brackets after the equals sign? -mattbuck (Talk) 10:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
No — it's not a grouping symbol, it's an 'evaluate from a to b' symbol. I don't know what it's called. Now that you mention it, I don't even know how standard it is, but it's defined in my text (Stewart's Calculus, 5th ed., pp. 345-6) as such and I've seen it used frequently around my college. I don't have a copy of Spivak's Calculus on me for a more solid work, but you might check and see if it's there as well. Kyle Barbour 11:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, I was always taught to use another bracket to make sure people know WHAT is being evaluated. -mattbuck (Talk) 14:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I've wondered about that, but I've never seen it used that way - compare with piecewise brackets, which in their case lack a closing bracket. It's implicit that everything in the expression is being evaluated. Regardless, that's the way it is at Image:AMS Euler sample.png as well, the only difference is the resolution, so I don't think that would make it a bad idea to merge the two. Kyle Barbour 20:15, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, after four days I was able to do it myself, so this is no longer an issue. Kyle Barbour 08:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Renaming images

Is there a way to rename an image on Commons? I'm only wondering because I came across this image; the image displays one of many, many photos on Commons of Mrs. Nancy Reagan, and a more specific title name would be very helpful. Thanks, Happyme22 02:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

As for now, you need to re-upload images under new name and put {{bad name}} on old one. Hopefully, image renaming will work soon. --EugeneZelenko 15:15, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for your help! Best, Happyme22 23:41, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Jacopo del Sellaio page

I want to know how to establish if this image - - is free to upload onto the Jacopo del Sellaio page of wiki commons. And if so, how to do so. It comes from the page:


Jimpjougler 04:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

to delete a picture

hi, I am new here. I found my own picture on Wikipedia by address How can I delete this image? It comes from Thanks! --Arunas

I've tagged it as copyvio. --rimshottalk 07:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

rimshot, thank you! --Arunas

Deleted. -- Infrogmation 01:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

the fj in Toyoto fj

What do the letters fj stand for ? In other words where did this acronym originate and what does it mean ?

this is the commons help desk. ask something realting to Wikimedia Commons or else we can't answer it or for you. Try wikipedia's reference desk. They may be able to help you with this. Nothing444 14:48, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Category moving

For example "Category:Template in Rome" and then it gets requested to be moved to "Category:Template (Rome)" should it get moved to "Category:Template (Rome)"? --Kanonkas(talk) 19:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

not without a consensus reached. Nothing444 14:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Screenshot--copyright infringement or not?

Hi. I want to contribute to the 3D Criticisms section of Live Search Maps by adding an example of when the 3D map does a poor job showing the topography and overall appearance (specifically, a screenshot of the software displaying Mt. Rushmore head-on). Can I do this legally? Bob the Wikipedian 02:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Also...I found something else that would make for a good criticism screenshot, involving user-created buildings in St. Louis, including the Arch and the highways as well as some buildings. I'd like to know the legalities on this as well. The copyright for both images is 2008 Microsoft Corporation, Image Courtesy of USGS (copyright info for each view in Live Maps varies).

In the English Wikipedia, it is allowed to upload screenshots of copyrighted webpages as fair use "for identification and critical commentary relating to the website in question", see e.g. en:Image:Virtual Earth 3D.png for an image used in the article en:Live Search Maps, using the template {{Non-free web screenshot}}. See also en:Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline. So, such an upload with a clear purpose as you propose here would probably be fine in the English Wikipedia (you can do it there), but not here on Commons. Commons doesn't accept "fair use" uploads, for an explanation see Commons:FAQ#Why doesn't the Commons include fair use content?. Gestumblindi 23:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


I have been trying to upload a file that I created allowing free public access (i.e. no particular license). I always receive some obscure rejection. The file is called Metapsychiatry.pdf. I have no idea why it is being rejected. the preceding unsigned comment was added by Bkerievsky (talk • contribs) 03:04, 27 April 2008

You have successfully uploaded the file (see Media:Metapsychiatry.pdf, but you do have to add a copyright tag to the description page to place the file into the public domain or put it under a free licence.
Also note that the file is probably outside our project scope. We typically host media files that are of use to other Wikimedia projects. We typically do not host content that would be better represented as text with wiki markup. LX (talk, contribs) 09:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

bot leaving inappropriate messages

A bot gave me a message whilst I was writing the details for the image I had just uploaded. I was in the process of giving it a license tag. The message arrived about 1 minute after the image was uploaded and threatened with blocking. I feel that this is not appropriate to give such a message so soon after an upload. I do not know of any rule that says that the license tags can not be added after the upload. Snowmanradio 13:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Well their is a reason to put up a license before the upload. It's just trying to catch uploads without licenses. Just ignore the bot message, and add your license unless it's a copyvio. --Kanonkas(talk) 13:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Where is the rule saying that the license should be added prior to upload? Would it be better if the bot gave a more appropriate message and waited a little longer than one minute after an image is uploaded? Snowmanradio 14:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, is there a good reason to upload an image first and add a license tag (shortly) later instead of choosing the appropriate license tag right at the time of uploading? Your "two-step-approach" is more complicated for yourself, too, I think. Gestumblindi 18:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
This was another version cropped from an image on the commons to centre on the bird. In this case I had to follow the copyright of the image already on the commons. I copied all the details (including the licence) from the original image making small modifications to include details of the other version when it was already uploaded. This was the easiest way to do this, in my opinion. Snowmanradio 18:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
You could have simply copy'n'pasted the info into the upload summary too. But it's really no big deal if you add it after the upload (within a few minutes, of course). Just ignore the bot. Usually you get more time, but it seems we got a new bot doing this. I would talk to the creator if you really think it's an issue. Rocket000 19:54, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
It is a clone bot. I have mentioned it to its creator and someone who was running a clone of it. Snowmanradio 20:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Licence of image

Regarding Image:Unidentified Yellow and Green Bird 1316px.jpg which I found on the commons today: I have identified the parrot so it will need another name. I would be grateful if I could have a clarification of the meaning of the extensive text of the "permission" in the summary box. As the image has been released under a GFDL-1.2|cc-by-sa-2.5 licence, can all the permission section be simplified or deleted? Snowmanradio 18:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, all that's needed is the standard license template, however, I would leave the last two sections as a courtesy to the author (and it may benefit those looking for special permission). Rocket000 20:06, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I have edited it and just used the last two sections as you have indicated. I would like to change its name to something like "Image:Olive-headed Lorikeet (Trichoglossus euteles) -upper body.jpg", and then link the image on the en wiki. How is changing its name done? Snowmanradio 20:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, there's no easy way to rename images. You simply have reupload it under the new name. Once this is done, you can make the other one with {{badname}} to be deleted (any links to it will be redirected). Rocket000 07:03, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

mage:Decompression stop sample profile.PNG

I wanted to improve the image Image:Decompression stop sample profile.PNG that I created for the en wikipedia but it's on Commons and I'm not allowed to. I've uploaded the improved image to Image:Decompression stop sample profile new.PNG . Can someone replace the old with this better image.Mark.murphy 19:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

  • ✓ Done Rocket000 20:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

user talk

How do I delete mail from my user talk section? How do I send a message?

Greg Hemmings —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greghemmings (talk • contribs) 02:26, 29 Apr 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean the user talk page? That's pretty easy, for example click this and you've come to my user talk. Then +comment to make a new section. You shouldn't delete those messages, instead archive your talk page. --Kanonkas(talk) 05:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Changing public domain image

I needed a photo of country singer Tammy Wynette to use here. I found "Image:Jones wynette.jpg" on enWikipedia. It had been uploaded by User:Ultramontane on 9 Oct 2006 using a "pd-self" tag. The photo is black and white, and shows both Wynette and her then husband, George Jones, but I thought it would be satisfactory for my purpose with some modifications. I made the needed changes, and then uploaded the modified photo on 28 Apr 2008 at WikiCommons as "Image:Tammy wynette2.jpg". I, too, used a "pd-self" tag, carefully specifying the origin of the image. Very shortly thereafter I received a message from User:ABF indicating that my work had been faulty in terms of specifying source/creator and/or copyright tag. Communications with User:ABF have not helped me to determine what I should do to prevent the image from being deleted. I would appreciate assistance. Tim Ross (talk) 14:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

The image at English Wikipedia has been marked as copyright violation. This means that the uploader at Wikipedia did not have the right to release the image as PD, and that any derivative work is not PD either. In short: you didn't do anything wrong, but the license at Wikipedia was incorrect. --rimshottalk 15:06, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
(Edit conflict, the image at en-WP was so tagged by me.) The problem is that the image at the English Wikipedia en:Image:Jones wynette.jpg is a copyright violation. I've now tagged it appropriately, it'll be removed shortly. Photographer was Harry Langdon, a celebrity photographer who is still in business: [7]. Hence your crop isn't ok either. Sorry. It's not your fault... Lupo 15:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, sadly, that answers my question. Thank you very much for your prompt help. Now to see if I can find a substitute photo! Tim Ross (talk) 15:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

No License Tag

I got a message for my scanned picture Digin_Siranush.jpg it lacks a license tag. But it has the same source given (dating 1907) in preceding pictures I could upload without this error message. What's wrong with a license when the source is > 100 years old? User: Indra

You have to add an appropriate license tag. If the author is really unknown, the picture is most likely in the public domain everywhere: it seems it's anyway in the public domain in India according to what {{PD-India}} says (sixty years after publication) and this makes it in the public domain in the US as well, as it was PD in the source country on January 1, 1996. Therefore I think it is safe to add the license tags {{PD-India}} and {{PD-1996}}. The status of this image as "public domain" in India as well as in the US doesn't depend on the author; as India's copyright ends 60 years after publication, it doesn't matter should the author have died later than 1937 - it remains a pre-1923 publication without restored copyright in the US. There is a slight possibility that the image is still protected in outher countries, e.g. if an author can be found and she or he died after 1937, the heirs could claim copyright protection in many European countries like Germany. But as Commons accepts uploads that are public domain in the source country and in the US, this image seems to be fine. Gestumblindi 10:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Correction: I didn't read your upload description well enough and now notice that the picture has nothing to do with India at all, it was published in Constantinople, making it a Turkish publication. Turkey isn't mentioned at Commons:Copyright tags therefore I don't know which tag(s) would be really appropriate. Gestumblindi 10:21, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
But what does it finally mean: orphan & no license tag? --> The pictures were scanned by myself out of an Armenian almanac (yearbook) of 1907 published in Constantinople (nowadays: Turkey). What's the idea of orphan or no license tag with pictures that are older than 100 years? Aren't these pictures public domain? User: Indra
Orphan means that the image is not in a category or gallery. No license tag means that there is no copyright or licensing tag on the image description page. You have to edit the page and add an appropriate one. LX (talk, contribs) 21:37, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, now it's clear to me! :-) user:Indra

Mogelijke verwijdering bestand!

Zojuist heb ik een bestand geüpload naar Wikicommons zie hier bestand. Ik heb keurig vermeld dat dit bestand oorspronkelijk afkomstig is van gebruiker Wereon en dat ik het heb aangepast voor gebruik op de Nederlandstalige Wikipedia. Wereon heeft zijn bestand opgeslagen onder GNU Free Documentation Licence, dus dit houdt in dat ik het bestand mag overnemen en bewerken. En nu krijg ik ineens het bericht dat het bestand mogelijk wordt verwijderd. Ik verneem graag het hoe en waarom over deze actie, want ik snap hier werkelijk niets van.

English Translation:

Recently I've uploaded a file to Wikicommons see file. I've mentioned that this file is originally from user Wereon and that I've edited it so one can use it on the Dutch version of Wikipedia. Wereon has safed his file under the GNU Free Documentation Licence, so this means I'm allowed to edit the file. And now I get the message that the file might get deleted. I'd like to hear the motivation for this action, because I really don't understand anything of it.

Wobuzowatsj 07:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

The tag was added by an automated program (a bot). This bot does not recognize licenses given in text form, you need to add the corresponding template, like this: [8]. --rimshottalk 08:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)



Hi, Recently I uploaded this nice video, but for some reason the thumb is not created. What should I do to get a thumb? --Rosentod 17:41, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Figuring out if these images are public domain

I visited the M.D. Anderson Library, which is the University of Houston's main library recently. I went to the library's Special collection, and found some great images from the university archives that are a really great way to illustrate parts of the university's history. I told the library that I'd like to use these images on a Wikimedia project (namely Wikipedia), and asked if they were under public domain. The special collection librarian in charge of copyright assured me these images are free because they are owned by the University of Houston, a public, Texas institution. I also had to sign a form stating the intent of use for the images, and I stated that they would be used for Wikipedia. This is on file at the library.

I've been trying to find anything about this elsewhere, but I can't. The library has digitized the two images I'd like to use for me. One is from 1938, a preliminary drawing by the architect of the first building at the university. The second is from 1945, a view of the school's original library. Neither of the images have copyright notices attached to them, and I wasn't given any sort of copyright notice by the library when they were electronically delivered to me.

Here is the word for word statement that was in the e-mail:


Justin Hughes Digitization Technician Special Collections 114 University Libraries University of Houston Houston, TX 77204-2000

April 30, 2008

Dear Mr. Reading,

Please find attached the third and final batch of requested images from Special Collections, University of Houston.

When publishing these images in print, electronically, or on a website, please use the following citation:

Drawing of Roy G. Cullen Memorial Building, 1938, UH Photographs Collection. Courtesy of Special Collections, University of Houston Libraries.

Library, Roy G. Cullen Memorial Building, 1945, UH Photographs Collection. Courtesy of Special Collections, University of Houston Libraries.

Thank you for your patronage!

-J. Hughes

If there are any further questions, please contact:

Julie Grob Digital Projects and Instruction Librarian Special Collections 114 University Libraries University of Houston Houston, TX 77204-2000

(713) 743-9744”

Are these images in public domain? There are a few main issues I'd point at here. The images don't have a copyright notice on them, and were published prior to 1989. The library knew the purpose, and released them to me. They claimed they were free images. I just don't want to be posting things up that will be taken down.

-BrianReading 21:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)