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Distributed environment

Is the central repository the ONLY repository, or does the system support distributed development (proxy repositories?) Thanks!

As I understand it the system support a distributed environment on the server side. The best place to find out more about the engine that commons uses is at the website. J.smith (talk) 21:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Erroneously created page/how to fix?

It seems my experience in creating and CFDing pages at does not help me here. I created this page in an effort to get all Pentastar-related images to show up when "pentastar" is typed into the search field. It didn't work, and I am requesting assistance getting rid of (or fixing) the page I created, and properly doing what I set out to do. Thanks. —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 17:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Already ✓ Done not by -- Deadstar (msg) 13:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Additional question by user asked on my talkpage regarding images not showing up in the search. I do not know the answer. Can someone with more technical knowledge please help. -- Deadstar (msg) 12:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
To elaborate: I've found that when I put in "Pentastar" and click "search" it'll come up saying "showing images 1-5 of 5" and only shows 4 images. Seems there is no easy answer as there was no further reaction. -- Deadstar (msg) 08:37, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Picutres of Lakes uplaoded on 2nd Novemebr 2008

I uploaded a number of photos of Lakes of 2nd November 2008 from Flickr which were under common license use under the categories India,Bangalore, Mysore and Punjab. They were all successfully upoladed as per the tikcer seen after each uploading. I am unable to find any of them in my gallery or under the gallery of Lakes of India or other places. Please let me know under what category I can find the photos now. --Nvvchar (talk) 08:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

  • You can see what you've done by clicking on the "my contributions" link near the top of the screen. J.smith (talk) 15:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
    • I have had a look and you have done almost everything correct. But you need to take a little more care with the names of the categories. You added two images to Category:Punjab India- this category does not exist. At the bottom of the image you will see that the link is displayed in red. Before you use a category- type the name you propose to use in the search box to the left. If it exists you will see the name come up there. I corrected one by renaming it Category:Punjab.Category:Mysore,Category:Bangalore are good.
    • I have found your old man in Category:Lakes of India the common mistake here is to search in Category:Lakes in India which doesn't exist- in most cases (manufactured items) the preposition in in used for categories- but for geographic features it is of. So, go to the link given by J.smith, and look at each of your images- and check whether you have a blue link (OK) or a red link (bad)when you need to try another category. Keep smiling.-ClemRutter (talk) 18:38, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
      • Thanks for the clarification and the tutorial. I hope I will upload the pictures properly the next time. --Nvvchar (talk) 16:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Obsolete files

I regularly update my own pictures by replacing them with pictures with a better quality. I use the option: "Upload a newer version of this file". When I use that option the old version is indeed replaced by the new version, but the old version is kept intact in the file history. As far as I am concerned, the older version is obsolete and can be deleted. Is there a way to delete my own obsolete versions or is this against policy? Wikifrits (talk) 21:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

It is possible to delete older versions, but this only makes them invisible to the normal user. They are not removed from the server, to allow for their undeletion. This means that it is possible to delete older versions, but it doesn't really make much of a difference. --rimshottalk 22:03, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Bald Eagle

I took a picture this summer of an eagle that I beleive to be a bald eagle. There was a nest in a tree situated on a lot near my home. The picture is not very clear, but I think that it is a bald eagle. How can I submit the picture to have it identified, then add it to the list of pictures of bald eagles? Thank you.

Commons:Upload is a good place to start if you want to upload a picture of the bald eagle. The Wikipedia:Reference_desk is a great place to ask all sorts of questions. --J.smith (talk) 03:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

cannot show a thumbnail

I uploaded Image:Constudproc.gif from wikibooks. But I cannot show a thumbnail of this image. Would anyone tell me how to upload correctly?--Choms (talk) 09:55, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Your image is fine; you can check it by clicking the "full resolution link". It's most probably a server problem. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 10:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your speedy response. I hope I can use this image in wikipedia soon.--Choms (talk) 00:56, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


Why can't I find more than one picture when I make this query ? I thought all pictures tagged with Template:PD-India should appear. Google finds 738 pages. Teofilo (talk) 23:32, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Umm not sure... The best way to see what pages are using a template is the " Special:WhatLinksHere" page. --J.smith (talk) 07:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes but I wanted to refine my search by adding additional keywords. Special:Whatlinkshere is fine to find all pages including the template, but this can't be refined to "includes the template + refining keyword"...
Anyway I don't need this search anymore, and if I need it again, I will use Google. Thank you for your help. Teofilo (talk) 10:28, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Looks like it's not including the transcluded text in the search. Sorry. On image:Brooklands Coonoor.jpg it looks like the template was substed.\
Yes, google is a good tool. Another concept (depending on what you looking for) would be to to use the built in text-search feature in your browser. Ctrl+F most of the time. Good luck! --J.smith (talk) 08:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

SVG font missing?

Ptakim Mek.svg

the image was perfect in my inkscape but on the server instead of Hebrew letters i see black squares. Hidro (talk) 15:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Did you use the save option "normal SVG" instead of "Inkscape-SVG"? -- Хрюша ?? 17:31, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
now it's "plain SVG" and there is no difference. Hidro (talk) 17:46, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
You will probably have to convert the text to a path inside your drawing program. I don't think Mediawiki can render Hebrew characters embedded in an SVG. Powers (talk) 17:51, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry Hidro, I tried two ways. Powers' proposal was successful. -- Хрюша ?? 18:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Apogee (PSF)-he.svg
it's not right, Mediawiki (by Imagemagick) hes rendered Hebrew in the past, look. Hidro (talk) 18:53, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I was probably wrong. Hebrew characters can be rendered if the font used is on this list. Though there may still be problems with the right-to-left sequencing: compare the image thumbnail at right to the rendered SVG. Powers (talk) 20:30, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
i used DejaVu Serif which is in the font list. the rendered SVG RLM bug is locale at your browser. Hidro (talk) 20:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
Common's SVG support is less then perfect. :( It's a new technology and with time it will mature. J.smith (talk) 08:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm using my own image from Wikipedia Japan, but "Links" says "There are no pages that link to this file." Why?

Hello. I'm using the image,, in the page, But, the page,, says "There are no pages that link to this file." Please tell me the reason. Nikm (talk) 03:25, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, "What links here" only works locally. You will only see links from Wikimedia Commons there. To see the usage in other Wikimedia projects, like, use the link "check usage". The result will be something like this. --rimshottalk 06:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your help!--Nikm (talk) 12:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Category:Pictures by xxx (erl.)

Ich habe, angelehnt an bestehende Beispiele, die Kategorie Category:Pictures by Chriusha erstellt. Die wenigsten kategorisieren ihre eigenen Bilder dann mit [[Category:Pictures by xxx]] und trotzdem werden die Bilder gelistet. Bei mir gähnt grosse Leere. Was mache ich falsch, resp. was habe ich noch vergessen? -- Хрюша ?? 08:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Similar to many examples in the Category:Pictures by author I created Category:Pictures by Chriusha. Almost all users do not categorise their pictures with [[Category:Pictures by xxx]]. Anyway the picture files are listed. What is wrong in my category configuration or what need I additionaly do to get listed my picture files (without adding this category to all of them)? -- Хрюша ?? 08:40, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

You (or a bot) would need to add the category to all of them if you wanted all of them to be included. Personally, I created a template called {{User:J.smith/image info}} that includes the category Category:Files by Justin Smith. --J.smith (talk) 18:52, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I see that you already do that... I'm not sure I understand your question. :( --J.smith (talk) 19:04, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Quicktime to OGV with ffmpeg2theora

Has anyone had success converting Quicktime MOV files to OGV? I tried ffmpeg2theora (per Help:CV) but the result is at Image:Piazza San Marco.ogv - sounds like crap and the video basically doesn't play. I'm running Windows so apparently tovid is not an option for me. Any help is appreciated since I have several videos I'd like to upload. Thanks. —Wknight94 (talk) 03:01, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

i use OggConvert (on Linux) and don't have any problem. Hidro (talk) 23:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I used that to create another .ogv file and it works quite well through the VLC media player! However, it still won't play here. Can anyone else play it here successfully? —Wknight94 (talk) 16:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
When checking that file above I get a rather laggy .ogv file playing, I think something is wrong with the converting. --Kanonkas(talk) 16:36, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Interesting. Maybe it's the one .MOV file I had. I converted Image:Basilica di San Marco courtyard.ogv the same way and it appears to be fine. —Wknight94 (talk) 18:45, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
I decreased the video quality in oggconvert to 1 and now the video seems okay. The audio is more important in that first one anyway. Thanks! —Wknight94 (talk) 19:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


Can you upload a picture from amazon and other sites because I want to upload some Book Cover Art. I wanted to ask first.--Vjingo (talk) 20:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Vote for Larry, Gospel according to Larry...--Vjingo (talk) 20:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
No, that would only be usable under "Fair use" and commons can't accept fair-use images. But... some of the Wikipedia projects can accept fair-use (such as English Wikipedia) so you can upload the images directly there. --J.smith (talk) 20:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
To add to that, if the book was published long enough ago or if the book cover is too simple to be protected by copyright then it might be ok. Both of those books look to new and are not simple enough to be PD, so we are stuck. --J.smith (talk) 20:32, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank You 4 the advice.--Vjingo (talk) 22:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Thumbnails don't update

Help! I updated a picture, but the thumbnails aren't updating. This isn't a local cache issue: I've checked on another computer. I've even tried the purge function recommended on Wikipedia. The image is: Image:Samesex marriage in USA.svg. You will notice that California is not updated in the thumb, but it is on the full scale image. Magog the Ogre (talk) 00:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

If you are having image thumbnail problems...

I spoke with a Dev on IRC and found out that they are aware of the issue and have resolved the problem. If you still experiencing problems click on the "purge" link at the top of the page and clear your local cache. Most of the time you can do that by holding down SHIFT and then pressing the reload button in your browser. --J.smith (talk) 01:18, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

License d'un acte de naissance français / Copyright for a French birth certificate


Français : (missing text)

J'ai à disposition un acte de naissance établi en 1911 en France, qui, selon l'article L213-2 du code du patrimoine Français (cf. Legifrance) est une archive publique communicables de plein droit, car il date de plus de 75 ans (le délai était auparavant de 100 ans, mais a été raccourci par la LOI n° 2008-696 du 15 juillet 2008 relative aux archives article 17). Question : est-ce que "archive publique communicables de plein droit" signifie domaine public, et quel modèle de licence dois-je alors utiliser ? Merci Kipmaster (talk) 20:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I have a birth certificate established in 1911 which is, according to article L213-2 of the French "code du patrimoine" a public archive transmissible by rights, because it was established more than 75 years ago (it was previously 100 years, but a recent law shortened the delay). The question is: does this mean "public domain", and which license template should I use in this case? Thanks Kipmaster (talk) 20:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

  • The certificate is probably {{pd-ineligible}} or {{pd-old}}, as it is not a creative work and it is a government-produced work more than 70 years old. You could use both tags together if you like. -Nard the Bard 14:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Upload Image

I am creating a page for the Independent Regulatory Review Commission. Their official webpage contains a logo. The Executive Director has given me permission to use this logo on the IRRC Wikipedia page. I am not sure what license this falls under. I also do not know how to describe the file. Can someone help me? Thank you.

Spinal Snap (talk) 15:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

See Commons:Licensing for list of accepted images. Please use Commons:Email templates for permission. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:52, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Basically, if all he gives you permission to do is use the image on Wikipedia, that's not enough for commons. You could probably use the image under "fair use" on Wikipedia, but you would need to upload it directly there in that case. J.smith (talk) 19:20, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Problem uploading new version of an image

I just uploaded a slightly altered new version of "Image:Crossroads Baker Target Ship Map.gif" and it did not fully take. To see the new version, I have to click on Full Resolution. The new version does not appear on the Wikimedia Commons page or in the thumbnail. Most importantly, the Wikipedia article I am working on does not call up the new version. I have the article posted temporarily at

HowardMorland (talk) 18:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Your upload log tell me that you've uploaded a new version of Crossroads Able Target Ship Map.gif which is already available.
If you wanted to update Crossroads Baker Target Ship Map.gif try it again. Maybe Commons or whatever has quit before the image was uploaded.
--D-Kuru (talk) 22:25, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm having problems uploading images too, specifically from those I took of various Long Island Rail Road stations. Here's what I'm trying to move;

The commons helper function does not help me. ----DanTD (talk) 16:34, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Dear Sir

Dear sir I am a new member of this site and its fortunate that i ve registered here . Because i was having a question which when i get answer it will be very helpful to me and my friends ,

I want to ask, How Can i download "wikipedia" on my Personal Computer ?

Thank you.

I don't think you can download the whole wikipedia. Than whe are talking about 300gb maybe more. Or do you mean something else?
Cheers, Sterkebaktalk 13:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
You can download the "wikipedia for schools" here: Thats the most recent "wikipedia on cd" project. It contains a small selection of core topics designed for school use. --J.smith (talk) 18:59, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
go to . Hidro (talk) 11:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Question by

I'm a Univ. Professor wanting to use a copy of Da Vinci's "Vitruvian Man" (found in low resolution on Wikipedia) as a small illustration in a book. Its resolution on Wikipedia is fine for this particular publication. Do I need a special licensing agreement from Wikipedia or another source to use this image? 16:40, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Depends on which one you want to use.
  • Da Vinci Vitruve Luc Viatour.jpg is {{PD-art}} which is some kind of {{PD-old}}. You can do whatever you want with that image without any restrictions
  • Vitruvian Man Measurements.png is a derevativ from the first image. However, Unitfreak released it into Public Domain -> You can do whatever you want with that image without any restrictions
  • is licenced under {{Money-EU}} "This design is copyrighted by the ECB, and its use is permitted by ECB, "as long as reproductions in advertising or illustrations cannot be mistaken for genuine banknotes" and [for coins] "for photographs, drawings, paintings, films, images, and generally reproductions in flat format (without relief) provided they are in faithful likeness and are used in ways which do not damage or detract from the image of the euro"
  • Skylab2-Patch.png is in the Public Domain. You can do whatever you want with that image without any restrictions
I hope I included the information you asked for
--D-Kuru (talk) 19:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Not a requirement, but commons would appreciate being given credit for providing the image. :) --J.smith (talk) 19:54, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Help Removing a Duplicate Image

Hi. I uploaded an image of a 1914 oil painting by Raymonds Beal (titled - Echo Bay) and saved it under the name EchoBay.jpg. I wanted to add the image to a wikipedia article on 'Echo Bay' however there was already an image on Wikipedia with the same name (but entirely different content). I re-uploaded the image using a slightly different name (EchoBayNR.jpg) and thought the new upload would replace the original one. I was wrong and now there is a duplicate file. Can you help me delete the original image I wanted to replace? The name is EchoBay.jpg. Thank You--JGMetrics (talk) 13:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

If you place the template {{duplicate|image:oldimagename.jpg}} on the image page for the newest upload, an admin will be along shortly to take care of it. --J.smith (talk) 17:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

How to remove picture?

How can I remove a picture I uploaded a couple of months ago from Wikimedia Commons?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Hdul (talk • contribs) 18:41, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Hdul, I suppose you are talking about Image:The Fallen Empires.jpg. You cannot remove it unless you have a good reason. Why do you want to remove it? Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 18:57, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Tagging a empty badly named category for deletion

Remind me please, I have recatted five files in a wrongly named category. It is empty, it is an orphan- what tag do I use to request the deletion of this Bad name cat. -ClemRutter (talk) 12:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

You can use {{speedy|Badname category}} but the best option is just nominate for deletion. {{Delete}}. I think that is the best way to go. Sterkebaktalk 12:59, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
{{Badname|Right name category}} and {{speedy|Badname category}} are the light weight (and quick) procedures. {{Delete|Reason}} are the full procedures such as for the image deletes. --Foroa (talk) 13:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I knew it was difficult! But where is the documentation for the tag? -ClemRutter (talk) 16:30, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Just click the links given by Foroa. This will take you right to the template itself and the documentation. Regards -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 20:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks ChrisiPK. That isn't quite the point I was trying to make. As a editor venturing into new territory (or one with a lousy memory), I click on the left panel Help. At the bottom of the blue panel I find Deletion requests. I click. Now I am on page Commons:Deletion requests. Where on this page is the link to {{delete}}- I have been sucked into a black hole.
So lets examine the documentation {{delete}}, it perfectly documents what {{delete}} does- but only if you understand the history. I don't want to know what a subpage is, just how to set up a category deletion request and how to use a subpage if I do need one. Remember my goal is to zap an empty category. If I could find the information I was looking for I would write a quick howto- which is what is needed. -ClemRutter (talk) 11:01, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
To me, this is a long unncessary workaround. All wikiobjects should simply have a delete (and move) tab and in function of the type of user and object, the available options (and documentation) should be presented. --Foroa (talk) 11:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
IMHO a simple guide „What to delete how“ would do, as adding even more buttons to the standard interface for all users just makes it even more complicated for unexperienced users. Logged in users can check Quick Delete on the Preferences/Gadgets page to get a link which opens a deletion request next to every image. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 17:58, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Was that an offer? :-) -ClemRutter (talk) 20:12, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

dolphin 24 sailboat

Hi I am the webmaster ( for a classic sailboat (loosely a boat owners association)for the Dolphin 24, a sailboat designed by Sparkman & Stephens in 1958. We would like to get a page that would be in the 'keelboats' category in "classes of keelboats". This would include description, history, technical specs and a link to our website

I thought an easy way to do this was use the existing similar page "Pearson Triton" as a template, edit the necessary changes, new title, etc. Is this feasible?

Hi Ron, Wikimedia Commons is only for hosting images. IF you have some images of sailboats that you own the rights to that you would like to contribute to the project then we would love to have them! What your talking about sounds like an article on wikipedia. You can read about how to go forward with making your own article here: Wikipedia:Getting_started. The only caviot is that wikipedia may delete your artile if the subject has not been covered in a well-known newspaper(or similar) previously. Good luck, --J.smith (talk) 08:09, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Please replace Image:Knee_diagram.svg with Image:Knee_diagram1.svg

My account is too new so I was unable to overwrite this file. The new image validates with the w3c validation service. --GICodeWarrior (talk) 06:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

You could use this tag: {{duplicate|image:oldimagename.jpg}} - those two images are identical in how they display. Oh, please fix the authorship information. user:Mysid created the original and should be given credit. --J.smith (talk) 08:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

✓ Done, I transferred the new image to the old name. Marking the original image as duplicate is not really a good option, since it is used on a lot of projects and it breaks the file history. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 14:18, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

FP Nomination


I have submitted a nomination for a featured picture: Image:Mount Rainier panorama.jpg. Unfortunately, many people did not like it, and I am wondering if there's any formal way where I can temporarily suspend the nominations while my picture goes through extensive editing.


Deathgleaner (talk) 03:24, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

P.S.: If someone could move Image:Mount Rainier panorama 2.jpg to Image:Mount Rainier panorama after nominations are suspended, that would be very helpful. 03:25, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Modifying preferences?

I want to add a couple of gadgets in "My preferences". But after I select them and click "Save", I get "Incorrect password or confirmation code entered. Please try again." I prefer not to change my password. Is there no way to add gadgets without also changing my password? --Sanfranman59 (talk) 23:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Your browser may have "remembered" your old password, and wrote it in the field "Old password". You just have to make sure that field is empty before you start changing your preferences. - Erik Baas (talk) 23:28, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
DOH! Thanks, that did the trick. --Sanfranman59 (talk) 23:32, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


What will the license be if is a clip art image? -- 00:36, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

This depends mainly on the creator of the image as he is the only one who can choose to publish his image under a free license. If it is an image, you just found on the web without permission to use it under a free license, please do not upload it here as we cannot use it. The only exception are images which consist of simple geometric shapes. If they are really simple, they are ineligible for copyright and can be used on this project. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 03:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Brazilian maps from governmental websites

I am currently writing some articles in danish about Brazil and I am looking for some maps. I found one map: Image:Bacia_hidro.jpg which is taken from the website of the brazilian ministry of public transport with the copyright tag: "Copyrighted free use", does this mean that all maps from this website is "free use" ? And if so does it then mean that picture files from all brazilian ministries would have the same copyright ? HenrikKbh (talk) 12:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I need to correct an image

I ask for any administrator help. If you see , there is a gross mistake in it. Spanish victims are represented with part of dictatorship's flag. Since they were in the opposite side, that is a total lack of respect for their memory. Indeed, the most correct flag, the flag that could represent all Spanish victims, would be the Republican flag. However, I assumed that "Standard" Spanish flag, without dictatorship's shield, would be a better election in order to be more recognizable by the majority of International users of wikipedia.

My user is quite new. I create it for correct this image. Wikimedia announced me that I cannot change an image yet and I need to contact with any administrator. So, I demand help in order to exchange prior Gusen-chart.PNG for Gusen-chart-corrected.

Thank you in advance

P.S.: In fact, I find all the chart outraging. German and Italian victims are represented with the flag of their murderers and betrayers. I would appreciate to see that flags changed but, as a Spaniard, I feel myself only able to demand a change of the Spanish flag used in the chart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poliorcetes (talk • contribs) 15:33, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Poliorcetes, please remember to sign your talk page contributions with --~~~~. Regarding the image: The flags are the official flags of the countries at that time. It is possible, that the surviving victims could probably not identify with these flags, but they were citizens of the countries which used these flags. Thus changing the flag would be a misrepresentation of history, even though the survivors might probably like it. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 15:57, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your answer. ChrisiPK, your argument is formally correct, and a flag is a internationally acknowledged symbol of a country. During the operation years of Gusen, these were the flags of the countries, with one exception: Spain.
As you surely know, Spanish Civil War was just ended when WW2 began and KL started to operate. During these years, and some years after, there were no international unanimity in recognizing Dictatorship as legitimate government of Spain. Spanish Republic maintain a government in exile, and it could be safely said that this situation ended when Spain was finally admitted in UN. Keeping this in mind, I can defend the deleting of dictatorship's shield off the Spanish national banner, in order to surpass the problem of representing the prisoners. Indeed, German or Italian prisoners couldn't be represented by any other flag at that time, but this is not the case of Spaniards.
Anyways, we can simplify this question a lot. Besides correctness of national representation, there is a quite important question about the real people represented with this chart. Just imagine a German, Italian or Spanish prisoner consulting wikipedia, reading Gusen article and looking at himself represented by the symbol of their betrayers or torturers. The problem can be solved easily: just return to a neutral palette of colours (the palette of OpenOffice, for instance), and any moral problems would be avoided. If you contrast these moral problems with the benefits of render national flags of that moment in the chart, cost-benefit relationship is quite clear.
Thanks in advance —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poliorcetes (talk • contribs) 09:27, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Poliorcetes, feel free to correct the image as you like. However, I am afraid that not all users will agree on this change, so you should upload your own version with another name. The projects can then decide on their own which version to use. If you really feel the urgent need to overwrite the old image with your own version, you should be able to do this 4 days after you have registered. I would, however, recommend discussing this on the projects on which the image is used. Regards, -- ChrisiPK (Talk|Contribs) 18:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, ChrisiPK. As surely you have guessed, I am a novice as a wikimedia contributor and I need to understand the basics of wikimedia netetiquette. I really would choose to discuss the issue with other contributors instead of try (in vain, I assume) to impose my point of view. Would it be correct to discuss it in media discussion page or in the wikipedia discussion page or in both?


Hello, i was looking at the article on the USS S-28 (a diesel sub from WWII that went down near Pearl Harbor). My father was a crew member on that ship and was released from duty to go to another station 3 July 1944, just hours before the ship went down. i have a picture of the crew and a pic of the memorial that my Dad was asked to accept on behalf of his fellow crewmembers "on eternal patrol". please tell me how to post these pics in the article about this ship. thank you. User:Pamelapeck

  • Semper fi. What rate was your dad? As a submariner myself I always am sad to read about such tragedies. Assuming the picture was taken by a sailor on active duty, the picture should be public domain as an official product of the US government. You can use the {{PD-USGov-Military-Navy}} license to show this. First click "Upload a file" in the left hand of your screen and follow the various prompts. Be as specific as possible where it asks for information, because Commons is very strict on copyright compliance. Where it asks for "Source" if you put "my dad" this is not good. If you put what you wrote above that it was a gift from the crew, that is better. Next, go to Wikipedia, and edit the page you want to put the image in. en:Wikipedia:Picture tutorial provides a good guide for the syntax required to place an image in an article. -Nard the Bard 01:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Australian map locations

I want to upload a screenshot of a map to show the location of a town in Australia. The town, Julia Creek, AU-QLD, was mentioned in the article [1], which linked to a Google map [2], which is interactive. I zoomed in and centred it so that the edges show Port Moresby, PG-NCD, Brisbane, AU-QLD, the AU-WA & AU-NT border, and Darwin, AU-NT. I took a screenshot and cropped it to retain the entire image and heading of "Julia Creek, 4823" and saved it as Julia_Creek,_AU-QLD.png. As such, the image contains the text, "Powered by Google", in logo form in the lower left and the text, "Map data ©2008 GBRMPA, MapData Sciences Pty Ltd, PSMA, AND - Terms of Use" in the lower right. I've looked up the company in the left and the four in the right and found websites for all five, [3], [4], [5], [6], and [[7] but I find it really difficult to work out the full copyright status. The terms of use link to [8]. As an alternative, I went to [9] and found a map but the image contains the text, "WhereIs® © 2008 legals" in logo form and links to [10]. Ultimately, I just want to show a map that showcases Julia Creek, AU-QLD in relation to the nearest capital cities on the article for that town. If I have to I might just mark an "X" on a CIA World Factbook map of Australia or something. Please help me sort through this legalese. :)--Thecurran (talk) 07:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I think will be good idea to base your map on en:NASA World Wind ({{PD-NASA}}) or ({{cc-by-sa-2.0}}). --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


Oi eu recentimente coloquei uma foto do site na wiki e depois tiraram mas sem nuhum argumento,por favor alguém pode colocar denovo a foto que eu coloquei???--Vitor mazuco (talk) 18:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Linking problem

How can I link a image to a internal page of the wiki encyclopedia??

Like this - [[:en:Article Name]] --J.smith (talk) 07:57, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Rename pictures?

Hi! I don't know if this is the right place, but i do need help so I hope someone will notice. When i uploaded two pictures of ??the swedish authors Moa Elf Karlén and Johanna Plamström I mixed their names up so this picture is of Moa Elf Karlén and this is Johanna Plamström. Could somebody please help me to switch the names of this two pictures? (one of the few pictures i've found on internet with only Moa Elf Karlén to prove my misstake...). Thanks! Suz (talk) 10:37, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

✓ Done Added a {{rename}} template. They will be renamed with the next run of the MediaMoveBot. -- Deadstar (msg) 15:19, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you! :) Suz (talk) 09:51, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Account problem

I have a wikipedia user account, and I created a Wiki Commons account (and confirmed my email) but when I try to log in to Wiki Commons, it tells me my password is incorrect. When I tried creating the account again, it tells me the user name is already taken. Help! -- 19:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Please see m:Help:Unified login for why you don’t have to create a new account.
If you decide to still use your new account (presuming it has a different user name) instead of the old one, there is a button which e-mails you to change your password.
--AVRS (talk) 21:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Link references for pictures in Commons

Hello, I edited a wikipedia article ( and added a picture. I uploaded the picture to Wikimedia Commons and it shows up in the article. Everything looks OK. When i click on the picture in Wikipedia it states a reference to the article ( and it mentions that the information comes from the Wikimedia Commons and it also states that the picture is used in the article. However when i go to the Commons ( it states: "There are no pages that link to this file". I find this odd as there is a linking page/article. Do I need to add this link myself in the commons? regards, --Butch (talk) 14:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Commons is a medium server for hundreds of projects, and potentially any project in the world. The links in the image refer only to its use inside commons. To have an idea of its use in other wikipedia projects, click on the "Check Usage" tab above the image. --Foroa (talk) 15:15, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Canada Department of Defense Images ?

Can I upload these images ? Which license should I use ?

I'd like to upload images from the following web site.

Canada Flag Folding images

The copyright information is here.

Can I upload these images ? Which license should I use ?

More info ? Crown copyright
I think I found the answer...

All copyrighted material on Commons must be licensed under a free license that allows anyone to use the material for any purpose. In particular, the license must meet the following conditions:

   * Republication and distribution must be allowed.
   * Publication of derivative work must be allowed.
   * Commercial use of the work must be allowed.
   * Acknowledgment of all authors/contributors of a work may be required.
   * Publication of derivative work under the same license may be required.
   * For digital distribution, use of open file formats free of digital restrictions management may be required.

Since these images are NOT available for Commercial use, I cannot upload them.
Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

I believe your right. Most governments hold copyright - the US government (and a few others) are the exception. --J.smith (talk) 19:18, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Requesting image

I'd like to request an image of a portrait by Peter Paul Rubens of William Lamport a.k.a. "Guillén Lombardo". Anyone have a good image in an art book? -- Yekrats (talk) 18:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Is this the one? If it is, you can upload it using {{PD-art}}. Pruneautalk 18:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Changing image file name

Hi. I was wondering if it was possible to change an image file name after it has been uploaded. If so, how do I do this? The file name of one of my images is very ambiguous and I would like to make it more concise. Thank you! Heysuk (talk) 14:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC) I just saw that someone posted a similar question. Do I put a 'rename' template on the image?Heysuk (talk) 15:03, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, we still can't rename images. Just re-upload image under new name and put {{bad name}} on old one. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:15, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I have a related question. Many images on commons have no description, and an unenlightening file name that was generated by a digital camera or software. If I add a description, is it also worthwhile to change the file name? The example I have in mind is Image:67094765 c4oS6pkX IMG 3665s.jpg. --Amble (talk) 17:04, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, if you add a description and/or category, you can also request a namechange by adding {{rename|new name.ext}}. An admin will review and it'll get changed. -- Deadstar (msg) 21:43, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I know it's possible, but what I'm really wondering is whether the admins will consider such name changes worthwhile, or an annoyance. --Amble (talk) 00:38, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
No, I doubt they'll be annoyed :-) It's part of their job, so they don't mind at all. How do you turn this on (talk) 01:37, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I have requested renames for several images. Unfortunately, there seem to be extra hoops for a user to jump through before such requests actually have any effect. --Amble (talk) 00:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
✓ Done -- Lycaon (talk) 00:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll apply for the "trusted" list if I happen to hit the 200 edit minimum at some future date. --Amble (talk) 16:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Linking JPG to wikipedia page

Have uploaded a JPG to my gallery... now how do I insert this picture to wikipedia pages? Thanks for the help!

The same way as usual - this is the format: [[image:example.jpg]] That will insert the picture (full size) into the page. This insturctions manual has the full scoop: meta:Help:Images_and_other_uploaded_files#Embedding_internal_files --J.smith (talk) 03:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


Is Image:RecruitWomensLandArmyWW1.jpg covered by en:Crown Copyright in the UK, or do we treat it as the work of Henry George Gawthorn (died 1941)? Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:14, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Renewal and multiple copyright holders

I've come across a problem on enwiki that I'd like to refer to the experts here. A Feb. 1926 issue of National Geographic contains an article by Bella Woolf on pearl fishing. In this article there's a photograph which is marked as "Photo by Plate Ltd". Plate Ltd appears to have been a quite large and upmarket photography company in colonial Ceylon, modern Sri Lanka. The NGS, efficient bastards, renewed the copyright for the periodical, so that's still in copyright. But did this renewal automatically include the photograph by another party? That's the US, but I have another thought. What's the situation as regards duration of copyright in Sri Lanka? Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, it would depend on the particular agreement they had with NG. If National Geographic purchased the copyright (unlikely) then it would count as being renewed. If NG only purchased a license to use that image for thier publication (much more likely) then the copyright of the image would have been up to Plate Ltd to renew. It's my understanding that in Shi Lanka, a photograph falls under Public Domain "25 years from the making of the work".[11] --J.smith (talk) 23:41, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Some Help

  • Hello, I kinda screwed-up. I was trying to upload this image [12] which is BY-SHA ALIKE but accidentally selected the wrong image locally and ended up uploading an image which is BY-ND (No Derivatives). Could someone delete it so I can upload the correct version. -- GateKeeperX (talk) 21:01, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
  • BTW this is the Image I uploaded >>> Image:NBA Store.jpg
  • Also could someone tell me why BY-ND isn't allowed even over at the regular wiki? -- GateKeeperX (talk) 21:08, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
  • ✓ Done Ok, it's been deleted. We can't accept images with a "ND" restriction because it keeps us from making changes to the image. Our software automatically creates what might be considered by some as derivative works in the process of resizing and re-compressing. In addition, part of our goal here is to provide a free-image repository... if the image is restricted in that way, it is considered to be not free enough for us. --J.smith (talk) 23:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


I saw that's it is not possible to upload OpenOffice file on Commons. I don't understand why, but I anyway, I want to know if there is a way that I can put a OpenOffice's file on Commons. I am a user from a project on WP and we need to keep some information in .ods in a place in Wikipedia to keep this information for the futur. (Is Commons will know if I only change the extension?). Thank, --Riba-- (talk) 04:56, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

We can't currently allow OpenOffice files since we can't verify their contents appropriately. This is being worked on, but may be a while coming. You can instead perhaps upload a PDF if is it in scope.  — Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 05:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

esoteric proportions

I was listening to one of my favorite songs and there is a claim made in it "that there is in fact more earth than sea"'. Is that "in fact" true?

Also, does commons accept images which might have the "poetic license" applied due to natural laws? -- carol (talk) 05:18, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

It's neither "good" nor "bad, the crux however is not about reproduction with a license similar to this one, but in legal control over "Those who reproduce the work must attribute it in the manner specified by ?" The path forwards already starts to make the sounds of a bumpy ride, if that's an answer Mion (talk) 17:13, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

how to create our page????

am unable 2 upload or add a file related 2 my company how should i do dat

This is not a good place to advertise your business. We tend to delete images if they do not fit within our scope as an educational resource. --J.smith (talk) 08:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Using Images


I work for Card Aid, we print and sell charity Christmas cards. We'd like to use an image found on Wikimedia Commons to print several hundreds of packs of cards to sell on. I don't understand the information on licensing- are we free to use it? I couldn't seem to find contact details for the photographer, in order to seek permission.

The image is Regent Street Christmas Lights- Dec 2006.jpg. The user is diliff.

Thank you

Lucy Horitz
020 7433 3636

Hello, can you link us to the image you want, so we can tell you its terms of use basing on its license? Diti the penguin 15:37, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry- wasn't sure how to reply.
The image is
This image is licensed under {{cc-by-2.5}} so you need only to credit author and mention license. See also Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 16:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, you have several ways to do that, but credit to the author must appear somewhere (we'll chose the second license the author decided to use, CC-by 2.5). No need to link to the license the legal text states the contrary: it is a permissive license (I use it too) which permits you to include his photos on commercial projects without having to link to the license provided that you attribute the author and mention the license (CC-by 2.5). Putting this text on your card will be enough:
Photo © David Iliff, — CC-by 2.5
(If you can, link to too; the legal text asks for it)
Feel free to remove the word “Photo” if there is no ambiguity about the authorship (like, if the text is immediately below the photo). If you don't like the “”, a solution is to email him, so you can talk about a potential non-free use of his photos (maybe paid). As soon as the license terms are honored, you are allowed to use it without contacting the author, unless you want to. :) Diti the penguin 16:13, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

file upload

Can I upload an mp3 file for an article on wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark bosch (talk • contribs) 03:44, November 27, 2008 (UTC)

No, MP3 files are not allowed on Commons and Wikipedia. You have to convert it into OGG, and also your file must be within the public domain or under a free license. Commercial songs aren't allowed allowed either. Diti the penguin 12:26, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Change Username?

As per the title, I'd like to change my username, how can I go about this? Thanks in advance.Scancoaches (talk) 16:55, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

>>Found it myself, thanks anyway!Scancoaches (talk) 17:03, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

I managed to find a logo of Store Mosse National Park in Sweden. Does anyone know if I can upload this image here? What are the rules for Swedish governmental (I hope that is the case) images etc? Thanks for any help. Lukasz Lukomski (talk) 16:12, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

According to Public_domain#Sweden, "Governmental laws and ordinances, decisions and statements published by Swedish authorities, and official translations thereof, are not copyright protected. " I don't think the logo falls under that. However, if you were to take a picture of the logo as it is displayed in a public location then it should be find under the liberal freedom of panorama exceptions. --J.smith (talk) 16:39, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

I would like to post a logo for an organization

Hello, I'm a newbie here, I created this article List of Syrian cartoonists as it should show the logo of the organization, I need to post the logo of FECO which is free logo type and it could be found randomly on the web pages who describe or give general information about it. Anyone can follow the references mentioned in the article and can see the logo. In case I wrongfully violated some copyrights standards, would anybody please guide me how to make it legally published?

can I create a category for listing Syrian people then a sub one to sort Syrian cartoonists, artists, leaders, musicians ..etc.?

Anyone can help please?

Many thanks. SAM

You could ask permission to publish logo under free license. See Commons:Email templates.
Of course you could improve categorization related to Syrian people. See other similar categories as example to naming conventions.
EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:54, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Organising my uploads into a gallery

Is it allowed to organise one's own contributions as a 'gallery' like those of featured photographers?

If it is, is there a tool to do do that?

Thanks and regards,

Shreehari Marathe

You could create galleries manually. For automatic tools see gallery tab on your user/user talk pages. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Answer button at "My talk"

I want to answer a post in my In box (talk page). Can't find a button though, perhaps there is none? Must I really edit the whole page to append it with an answer?

and if I use the edit option, does the poster get any notification that I answered?

thx, Er.We

If you want to edit e section you can click on the "edit" button on the right side of every headline. Even you edit only a part the whole page gets saved.
You may want to include {{Information}} into your images. Please have a look at the page so that your sure how to use it. Tell me if you've some more questions
--D-Kuru (talk) 12:24, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I got a message after login about there being a message. But for the life of me I cannot locate any email like features on any button. You could send me a message, but of course I would not receive it.

Could you please put a link on wikimedia commons or on my page so that I can read my messages???

can't find message center!

I got a message after login about there being a message. But for the life of me I cannot locate any email like features on any button. You could send me a message, but of course I would not receive it.

Could you please put a link on wikimedia commons or on my page so that I can read my messages???

The message you get has a link to your "Talk Page". Either click on that or click on the "My Talk" link at the top of your screen. --J.smith (talk) 16:36, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


I typed in a comment and it didn't appear (so I thought). I then backed up to the page for editing the comment and added a title. Then when I did 'Save page' it appeared at the bottom of the commons page. But if you look you will find that my previous title-less comment is FUSED to the previous comment!! Also, I got no warning message that I was missing a Subject/headline.

This is obviously a bug.

I'm typing this without a Subject/headline to see if I can fuse this message to my previous one.

This is not a bug - it's working as intended. It might have disadvantages, but it has it's advantages in other situations. J.smith (talk) 16:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


Yup, I can fuse my message to the last message on the Commons board merely by not having a Subject/headline!!!


Bug in Editing Commons ... continued

Answer button at "My talk"

JD: if you look closely to the posting named above, at the bottom you will see my message. I didn't intend it to be attached to the bottom of someone else's message. Still looks like a bug to me.

(Sometimes I get a 'conflict' apparently due to my not having the Subject/headline and my posting conflicting with someone else who is posting at the same time.)

No, it's not a bug. It's working as the designers intended it to work. In the future, please do not use the helpdesk to do test-edits. You can use your own talk page or the Commons:Sandbox. --J.smith (talk) 16:55, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
About the edit conflicts: Please read the error messages. this is explained fully on that page. That means between the time you started to edit the page, someone else edited the page and saved it. --J.smith (talk) 16:57, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

J Smith, thanks for the quick response. I looked at my talk and maybe I see the problem.

I'm a newbee and apparently the system sent me two messages First steps tutorial and Getting help. They don't have dates (!!) and so I thought they are not messages. In fact I'm still not sure they are messages. Those have a light yellow/red background. there are two others with blue. Are any of these actual messages??

(merged the sections) Yes, those were put on your talk page by one of our helpful robots! Any time your talk page is edited it will show the "You have new messages" bar at the top of the screen. Oh, BTW, if you want to add your signiture (helps other people know who left the message, etc) just put 4 tildes (~~~~) at the end of your message. Also, if you want to reply to a message start you message off with ":::". That will indent your message. Just use one more ":" then the person above you. --J.smith (talk) 17:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
J. smith - thanks very much for your quick response. That's a help. Obviously it's the usual newbee effect

where unstated things are 'obvious' - but not really. I'm not sure how this would be fixed. let's see if the sig works ... Informationtheory (talk) 17:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem! We are all newbies once. J.smith (talk) 18:50, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Pictures of Characters from Samurai Warriors

There is an article on Wikipedia called "List of characters from Samurai Warriors," and on the official website (courtesy of Koei Games, Inc.) there are copiable and saveable pictures of them. I would wish to add those pictures to the article, but I can not tell licenses apart. I am guessing that the ability to copy them and save them does not mean anything when identifying a picture's licensing. They are probably not GFDL, but they do not have a warning saying to not distribute these pictures to anywhere but in a My Pictures folder on a computer. Leave messages on my Wikipedia talk page, please. Thank you. -BlueCaper (talk) 01:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

From source website: All rights reserved, so images is not free as in freedom. You could upload them on English Wikipedia as fair use images. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:50, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, Eugene. BlueCaper (talk) 23:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

OTIS template

User:Tomfriedel appears to be uploading photographs from his own website. He is a new user and has been uploading some interesting photographs. I think that an OTIS template is required, and I will be grateful if the appropriate people would contact him to establish that these templates can be added to the images that he is uploading. Snowmanradio (talk) 22:06, 30 November 2008 (UTC)