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I recently uploaded File:Ciara Fifth Annual Hip Hop Summit.jpg and plan to upload a cropped version, but I'm not sure about licensing. Would the cropped image have to go through a review again? If not, what steps do I take? DiverseMentality 20:30, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

When it's confirmed that it's licensed under Creative Commons Attribution 2.0, you can freely make derivative works as long as you attribute the original author and publish it under the same license. --Yerpo (talk) 20:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

By the way, how does one edit an image?

Thanks, Sherlock4000 (talk) 09:29, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

You download it to your computer and use image editing software. If the edit is minor, such as color correction or straightening, you then overwrite the existing image with your version, otherwise (if you do something significant with it, such as cropping one person out of the crowd) it's better to upload it as a new image. --Yerpo (talk) 10:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

File:Change summary.png

File:Change summary.png It's a screenshot of the edit summary field, except it says Change because it's from and for the Simple English Wikipedia. I copied some of the info from File:Edit Summary-2.png. I'd like to confirm the author and license are correct. If they're or anything else isn't, feel free to edit it and please let me know too. Toliar (talk) 16:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

It's my opinion that nothing in the screen shot would qualify for copyright protection. {{pd-ineligible}}. J.smith (talk) 06:46, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Is it necessary or recommended that I change the license to pd-ineligible, or just an option? I agree with your opinion, but would prefer not to have the image deleted because something was out of order. Toliar (talk) 13:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

New category

How to create a new category? Midhir (talk) 22:44, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I have found yet. Midhir (talk) 22:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Categories are one of the less obvious features of the MediaWiki software that runs Wikimedia Commons. For the direct answer to the question as you asked it, see m:Help:Category#Creating a category page. However, knowing how to create a category is not the same as knowing whether you should create a particular category. See COM:EIC#Cat for lots of information about categories on Wikimedia Commons. --Teratornis (talk) 00:29, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
A better question to ask is: "How can I find categories suitable for these images I (i.e., you) just uploaded?"
See Commons:First steps/Sorting. Since your images all depict particular location(s) on planet Earth, you can find the most specific geographic category (or categories) for them. At least one image mentions Wielkopolska National Park in the description. So that would be a natural category, if we have one. Category:Wielkopolska National Park does not appear to exist yet, but it might exist under a different spelling. We can start at Category:Poland and drill down through subcategories:
That last one appears to be an alternate spelling of the same park, but I am not sure. If that is the same park where you took your photos, you could categorize them there.
--Teratornis (talk) 00:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Requesting a file overwrite

Hi, I just uploaded the file (, which is intended to replace the US_map-South_Modern.png map. However, since I just registered for the commons today (I've been at wikipedia for years), I am not allowed to overwrite. The consensus (both on Wikipedia and in the academic literature) is that Oklahoma is included in the South most of the time, not just "sometimes", so the color has been changed to reflect that. Can someone please update the US_map-South_Modern.png file? Thanks. Clark3934 (talk) 02:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Uploading various album covers to ilustrate a music compilation at wikipedia

What is the correct license for the album covers?

"Fair use" - but we don't accept fair use artwork here on commons. You'll need to upload them directly to Wikipedia. J.smith (talk) 06:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Please see COM:CB#Album covers. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 09:12, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I am having some difficulties about the usage and limitations of {{PD-textlogo}}. I often browse video game related media, and I noticed these logos : File:Metal Gear Solid logo.png, File:MGS2 logo.jpg, File:Metal Gear Solid 3 logo.png, File:MGS4 white.jpg, File:MGS PO.jpg and File:Silent hill 4 logo.jpg.

Could someone look at these files and confirm that fall under PD-textlogo, and maybe give me a few extra explanations about this ? Thanks in advance, Jean-Frédéric (talk) 18:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I may add File:Resident evil outbreak logo.jpg, File:Resident evil 2 logo.jpg and File:Resident evil 2 logo.jpg. Thank you. Jean-Frédéric (talk) 21:00, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
To determine whether a logo is simple enough to be in PD, open Inkscape, and try, without looking at the original logo, to recreate it. If you cannot, it is not a simple realization because the artist spent a lot of time on it. Diti the penguin 21:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure that rule of thumb would work for text logos, which are considered uncopyrightable here on Commons but still may be unreproducible if one does not have an appropriate font available. Powers (talk) 22:22, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Humm... That sounds a bit weird to me.. I mean, to me something like File:Metal Gear Solid logo.png would be copyrightable ; but because some guy made a font out of it (possibly after hours and hours of work), it is ineligible for copyright ?
More generally, do you imply that every single text logo is ineligible ? To me, some artist quite worked on something like File:Resident evil outbreak 2 logo.jpg, though it is in fine text. Jean-Frédéric (talk) 23:02, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
It seems to me there's a big difference between text in a standard writing font, such as you would encounter in a newspaper heading, and text that has been creatively transformed only in the specific context of the logo - for example where the rendition depends on the placement of the character in the logo or is rendered differently from the same letter elsewhere in the logo. Although I'd like to claim them as PD, I really don't think the case can be made for logos like these. In an extreme case, take a look at the Microsoft logo: it has a small notch in one letter, pretty much specifically put there so that they could claim copyright on it (although we still classify it as PD-textlogo apparently). The above logos are considerably more creative. Dcoetzee (talk) 23:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Well, some of them at least. File:MGS PO.jpg seems like a textbook {{PD-text}}. Powers (talk) 23:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Many of these Resident Evil logos are made of stamp-like fonts [1], [2], [3], [4]. So I can't see orignality in them. Of course I don't think textlogos are all non-original like this one. But those ones are quite simple compared to some and have their fonts for free use. Mizunoryu 大熊猫❤小熊猫 (talk) 15:01, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

B-25 Mitchell

i don't know if i'm in the right area, but i'll ask my qestion regardless.........please , point me in the right direction.....where would i look for action photos of the b 25 bomber in the pacific.......thanks, so much for any advice or help.........dg — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Try the search box to the left, which finds B-25 Mitchell and Category:B-25 Mitchell. Also look at the w:B-25 Mitchell article on the w:English Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 00:50, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
How's this for action: File:B-25s in New Guinea.jpg. --Teratornis (talk) 00:52, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Problem playing ogg-file after uploading new version

Hi, can anybody help me with this problem? Since I uploaded a new version of File:Felix Mendelssohn - symphony no. 4 in a major 'italian', op. 90 - iv. saltarello.ogg, it seems not to load completely nor does it start to play. What I did was switching this file with File:Felix Mendelssohn - symphony no. 4 in a major 'italian', op. 90 - iii. con moto moderato.ogg because the names were reversed. While the "new" 3rd movement plays fine now, and my local copy of the 4th movement likewise (even after re-downloading it from commons), the 4th movement does not play on commons directly. Any ideas, what might have caused the problem? --FordPrefect42 (talk) 12:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Seems to be settled now. Maybe a caching problem after all. --FordPrefect42 (talk) 13:14, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Cropping (cont.)

Hello! Is it possible to use only a portion of an existing image in an article? ( use some sort of code which only shows part of the image, eg. [[Image:whatever|thumb|40%horizontal|20%vertical]] or something along those lines?) or would you have to crop the image and upload it as a separate file? Thanx! BigSteve (talk) 15:15, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately cropping is not available in MediaWiki. You should upload cropped version and please don't forget to refer to source/author. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Requesting that faces be pixellated

Hi. This picture: File:Allys_a_rubbin_(1421413596).jpg includes identifiable people whose faces should, I believe, be pixellated for privacy. Is there a procedure to follow to request that it be done? I don't know either the Commons protocol nor the photo-editing technique required. Thanks, Clayoquot (talk) 07:29, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Just a stupid question, but What is the point of pixelating it if the source does not do it? Esby (talk) 08:17, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Not a stupid question :) The source is the photographer, not the subjects of the photo. It's the subjects' privacy that I'm concerned about. I've seen no indication that either the subjects or the photographer are even aware that the picture is being used on Wikipedia. P.S. I removed the picture from two articles on the English Wikipedia yesterday, until the privacy concerns are addressed. Clayoquot (talk) 15:38, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion there is no privacy concern here. If you are in a situation where there is no expectation of privacy then you don't have a right to privacy. There are personality rights here, but Commons is not in infringement and it would be up to our downstream users to decide if their particular use requires a release or not. Ours does not. J.smith (talk) 16:19, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Was this taken in a place where the subjects have a reasonable expectation of privacy? If so, you can nominate the image for deletion if you wish as a violation of the policy COM:PEOPLE. --MichaelMaggs (talk) 17:56, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
OK. Thanks everyone! Clayoquot (talk) 03:56, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


Hope that somebody can help me:

Hello Fanoftheworld!

Thank you for providing images to Wikimedia Commons. Commons images are used by editors on many projects in many languages. Each image is put into categories. This helps other editors find them. Please add categories to each image you upload.

For further information on categories read Commons:Categories.

The CommonSense Tool often helps you find the best category for your image.

BotMultichillT 05:49, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

This image is of a magazine for law students and young laywers. I can't find a category for magazines.
This image is of a lecture by a danish laywer. I don't know in which category/categories I can put this image.
I hope that someone will help with the 2 images. Thanks. --Fanoftheworld (talk) 21:43, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
(Note to other helpers: the above text comes from User talk:Fanoftheworld#Please link images.) The category structure on Commons is not too difficult to figure out; did you read the friendly manual? You mention "a danish lawyer". Commons has categories for most if not all countries, with many subcategories under each one. For example:
There is also a Category:Education in Denmark. I see that The European Law Students' Association article on the English Wikipedia has no photo currently (and should that article title begin with the word "The"? Well, that's someone else's problem). Searching Commons for "European Law Students' Association" finds no Category:European Law Students' Association, but it does find another image: File:Elsa logo.gif which has some problems also (no description, etc.). Your question does not make clear whether you are only asking for category suggestions, or whether you also need help to put the images in some categories. If you are new to Commons and new to the MediaWiki software in general, categories can be one of the more confusing features. Let us know if my answer is too brief for you to understand what to do. --Teratornis (talk) 01:04, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I've used the category "Lawyers from Denmark", that you suggested, and the category "Magazines". --Fanoftheworld (talk) 05:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Help with image license

Britannica has a picture here of mathematician Norbert Wiener. The picture is credited to the United States Library of Congress. Does this count as a public domain work by the federal government? Thanks, RayAYang (talk) 02:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

We cannot be too surprised that Encyclopædia Britannica does not clarify the image reuse policy on the page you linked. The best I can guess is to look at images in Category:Library of Congress and see how other Commons users have shown their license information. Note that the Library of Congress has the world's largest collection of copyrighted material, as well as a large amount of public domain material. Good luck figuring out which is which. A photo such as File:VirginiaDavis.jpg is "from" the Library of Congress, but it originated with a U.S. Federal Government agency, and thus is in the public domain. See: Help:Public domain#Published in the United States. Maybe you could find the source of the Norbert Wiener photo on a Library of Congress Web site; or failing that, you could contact the Library of Congress and ask about the copyright status of the photo. --Teratornis (talk) 04:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I suppose it was too much to hope this would be easy. And it's a shame we don't have a "Britannica uses it without further attribution, why can't we" license RayAYang (talk) 05:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Copyright law is so complicated, it makes you wonder why humans continue to hit themselves in the head with this particular hammer. Imagine how much faster human progress could occur if all information was free. See COM:EIC#Copy for more light reading on the subject as it now stands. I think it's easier to look only at images that are already under suitably free licenses; you can find dozens of interesting things to upload to Commons in the time it takes to resolve the copyright status of one image that isn't already under a free license. But that means you start with images and find Wikipedia articles to put them in, rather than start with Wikipedia articles and go hunting for images. It's easier to insert a needle into a haystack than to find a needle in a haystack. --Teratornis (talk) 09:19, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
I should add that Britannica quite logically views Wikipedia as competition (because it is), so Britannica has incentive not to go out of their way to facilitate reuse of their material. You probably know there is a {{PD-Britannica}} and a corresponding Category:PD Britannica for material that came from the 12th edition or earlier, for which copyrights have expired. --Teratornis (talk) 08:36, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Categorizing images


I have just started to write in the norwegian part of Wikipedia

I have published two pics on the page about Gulstad

Now you tell me to categorize these

Image:Gulwin.jpg is uncategorized since 2 March 2009. BotMultichillT 05:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC) Image:Dddddddddddddddd.jpg is uncategorized since 2 March 2009. BotMultichillT 05:35, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I read and search but do not understand what to do

So please help me

Best regards Frode Holdhus Norway — Preceding unsigned comment added by 089fh (talk • contribs) 09:47, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

See COM:EIC#Cat, Commons:Categories, and Commons:First steps/Sorting. Commons has categories for most geographic regions of the world. In developed countries such as Norway we have categories down to small geographic divisions. See for example Category:Vesterålen, Category:Nordland, and Category:Municipalities of Nordland. Note that categories can be a difficult MediaWiki feature for new users to understand. You should read Wikipedia: The Missing Manual to learn much necessary background material and avoid common beginner mistakes. --Teratornis (talk) 22:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Deleting your own submission

How do I delete my own submission without going thru the whole community review process? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 16:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

How do you mean? If you mean like deleting your own images without having to start a deletion request? If you want your own images deleted you have to start a deletion request and come with some good reasons because when you have uploaded your material you have agreed to place them under a free license, and that can't be revoked. But if you start a deletion request and there are good reasons that your image can be deleted. Abigor talk 16:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
See COM:EIC#Delete to learn all about deletion on Commons. There are some cases where the person who uploads an image can request a speedy deletion, for example if you accidentally upload an image under the wrong name. If no articles on any language Wikipedia or other Wikimedia Foundation project wiki are currently using an image, deleting it might be acceptable. --Teratornis (talk) 22:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)


Why is so difficult to upload a file to your system. I am reasonable intelligent and can follow direction very well, but trying to upload a file on wikipedia is one of the most difficult things I have had to do so far this week. And still I have not being able to do it. Please help! PLEASE!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Celebritypinkjeans (talk • contribs) {{{2}}} (UTC)

Is there something specific on the upload page that is confusing you? Powers (talk) 20:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
I am sure you have done many things this week that are more difficult than uploading a file to Commons (or to Wikipedia - I'm not sure why you're asking here about how to upload to Wikipedia, instead of using the Wikipedia Help desk, which should have been easier to get to from there). But first, what do you mean by "a file"? Wikipedia only accepts the upload of a limited number of file types. You cannot upload many types of common files such as PDFs or Word .doc files. As to why it is so difficult, that's because it is complex and unfamiliar. You do difficult things every day, but most of them probably seem easy to you because you have been practicing them for years. Typing your question (in English) probably seemed easy, but imagine typing it in Chinese. Think back to when you were a child and you were first learning how to write. You probably have forgotten your painful struggles. Most adults spend most of their lives staying within a comfortable routine, rarely forcing themselves to learn really new skills. When was the last time you learned to speak a new language, or to play a new musical instrument, or you switched careers? Did you manage by reading and studying on your own, without anyone to teach you? Learning to edit on Wikipedia is about as complex as learning to play a musical instrument without a teacher. Many people can do it, but nobody can do it instantly. I recommend that you read the book Wikipedia: The Missing Manual (full text is online for free reading), because Wikipedia is probably very different than anything you have used before. Many things on Wikipedia don't work the way you expect. You will be less frustrated and confused if you read through an orderly introduction of all the basic concepts before you dive in. Dealing with file uploads is one of the more advanced skills on Wikipedia, which the book leaves until chapter 15. A good deal of the complication is not Wikipedia's fault, it's the nightmare of copyright law which hampers what we are doing here. --Teratornis (talk) 21:54, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
You cannot upload many types of common files such as PDFs... Someone forgot to tell the uploaders of Category:Pdf files. ;) I think the transition from the "Image:" namespace to "File:" was a logical one. 08:11, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for correcting my error. To set the record straight, the permitted file types on Commons and the English Wikipedia are: png, gif, jpg, jpeg, xcf, pdf, mid, ogg, ogv, svg, djvu. (I was correct about the .doc files, at least.) I'm glad that PDF uploads are so rare that I haven't had the misfortune to run across enough of them yet to push them into my awareness. Of the permitted file types, PDFs might be the most unwiki. Imagine if new users on the English Wikipedia figure out that instead of having to learn wikitext markup, they can write articles in Word and upload them to Wikipedia as PDFs. In the two years I've been active on the Help desk on the English Wikipedia, I can't recall seeing such a case come up. Let's hope it stays that way. --Teratornis (talk) 00:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
UnWikipedialike, yes. UnCommonslike, maybe. Unwikilike, no. Check out Wikisource sometime. BTW, your name made me think of something. In a way, Commons allows you to upload video games (!) Check out this. Hopefully, you got Firefox 3 or a SVG-intelligent browser. 06:30, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
If Celebritypinkjeans was trying to upload an image to enwiki, he would have failed at the time the message was posted, because he was not autoconfirmed. Stifle (talk) 16:00, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
It's a shame that compulsory education does not teach students How to Ask Questions the Smart Way. In an increasingly computerized world, what skill can be more necessary than knowing how to ask for help, in a way that facilitates getting useful answers? Unfortunately, I doubt that most teachers know how to ask for help, either. With the first step being to describe the problem clearly enough, for example by linking to the page where the problem occurred, and by transcribing the exact text of the error message that appeared (if any). --Teratornis (talk) 00:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Not sure how to choose the license for my software screenshot image

I am a software author of "eSobi," and I'd like to upload a screenshot of my software, which I did yesterday but got removed earlier today. If I would like to upload the screenshot to Wikimedia Commons, which license should I choose so it won't get deleted? Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andafly (talk • contribs) 04:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

According to w:eSobi, the program is not Free software. According to Commons:Screenshots:
  • Computer screenshots are subject to the copyright of the displayed program. Thus, screenshots must not be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons unless all software and data shown in them are under some free license.
Unless you will release your software under some free license, I'm afraid Wikimedia Commons will not accept screenshots of it. Sorry. Personally, I think the law in this instance borders on absurdity, but we are bound by law. --Teratornis (talk) 06:12, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I guess unless I change my software into a freeware there is no way to upload a screenshot here. Thanks for help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andafly (talk • contribs) 07:36, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, if you own the rights to your software, you can license the screenshot however you'd like. But make it clear the software isn't freely licensed. OTRS will probably be needed. Please sign your posts with ~~~~. Cheers, 08:01, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Also note that any artistic elements of the program contained in such a screen shot would be usable by someone else under that license. J.smith (talk) 17:27, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I could make a plug for releasing software under free licenses. If not eSobi, then perhaps other software the author might write. The Wikimedia Foundation's Web sites constitute the fifth-most valuable Web property in the world now, and we can document free software far more effectively than non-free software. Thus if the author is looking for publicity, releasing work under free software licenses can facilitate this. Although in theory Wikipedia does not exist for advertising - but practically speaking, lots of people turn to Wikipedia when they want to find a software package to address a specific need. The problem, of course, is finding a business model that lets the software developer make some money while giving away software. --Teratornis (talk) 01:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Commons:Screenshots obliquely mentions this special case, but only as a negation:
  • Thus, if the programmers do not agree to publish the program under a free license, and they do not explicitly license the screenshot (or all screenshots) under a free license, the screenshot is not free.
It would be nice to add a new section to Commons:Screenshots explaining step-by-step how the copyright holder of a nonfree program could upload or permit a free screenshot. I'll summarize the above material on Commons talk:Screenshots for review by other editors. --Teratornis (talk) 06:26, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah? 07:21, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
That at least clarifies this scenario. The page still needs step-by-step instructions potentially understandable by a copyright holder of a nonfree program who knows nothing (yet) about the licensing and uploading rituals of Commons. --Teratornis (talk) 07:42, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
It's enough for the somewhat copyright-knowledgeable users. A whole step-by-step thing takes more energy than I have right now—maybe I'll get around to it if no one else does. 08:04, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Creating a category for a new product

Moved from Commons talk:Help desk by Teratornis (talk) 22:19, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

How do I create a page for a new product that defines a new category? We are a private company launching a new product concept that bridges the gap between video games & musical instruments. It is a full fledged musical instrument that can also be used with video game consoles. We get lots of questions and I'd love to be able to post on Wikipedia to educate the public. Please help. Thanks, JR — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 04:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

There are several problems with your request. Please read the book Wikipedia: The Missing Manual so you understand what Wikipedia is for and how to use it. See w:WP:BFAQ. Note that you posted to Wikimedia Commons, which is a file repository for the various wiki projects of the Wikimedia Foundation, including the various language Wikipedias. If you need help with editing on the English Wikipedia, use the Help desk over there. --Teratornis (talk) 22:26, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Contacting a photographer


je voudrais poser une question à Shako, une photographe russe qui a inséré une photographie de Sophocle sur le site. Est-ce possible ? Merci pour votre attention,

Nicolas Faron e-mail address removed to prevent SPAM— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 01:53, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

If you will tell us the photograph you refer to, we can tell you how to contact the photographer. There are several possibilities, depending on whether the photographer is also the person who uploaded the file, and whether that person uploaded the file directly to Commons, so we need to see the photograph to tell you the method that should work. Do you see the photograph in Category:Sophocles? I do not see a User:Shako, so I am not sure whether you refer to a user on Wikimedia Commons. You can contact any user on Commons by leaving a note on their talk page. See Commons:Talk page guidelines. (Please forgive my response in English. This is the only language I can write coherently. Here is a Google translation for your convenience.) --Teratornis (talk) 04:09, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

New York City government image allowed?

I notice there's a federal government license option, but nothing for US state or city governments. Are there different copyright restrictions for works created by state and city governments? The image in particular I'm talking about is from the NYC Department of City Planning. This map shows a section of Brooklyn, Manhattan and Queens with streets and neighborhood names. The map is part of the DCP citywide neighborhood map. Tried searching help pages and discussions for "state government" and "city government", but haven't gotten any results. Thanks Seanherman (talk) 15:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Most state and local governments in the US do not release their work into the public domain. Unless you can find something at that states otherwise, we'll have to assume those works are copyrighted. -Andrew c (talk) 15:55, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

GNU Free Documentation License

Hello, I wish to use images posted in Wikipedia and Wikipedia Commons that are subject to the "GNU Free Documentation License version 1.2 or later." It is my understanding that I need to give credit to the producer of the image. The images are intended to be used in broadcast television. My question is how do I find out the name of the photographer or artist so credit can be given? 15:42, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

See Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia#GNU Free Documentation License. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Broadcast TV... you might want to ask the owner of the image for special license. GFDL wouldn't really work too well for TV I think. J.smith (talk) 16:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

what is...

What and where is the four millionth file uploaded?

Deathgleaner (talk) 00:59, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Commons:Village pump#Almost 4 million.21.21 has some discussion about this. It's hard to determine exactly what "the four millionth file uploaded" would mean, given that Commons deletes a lot of uploaded files, usually some time after they were uploaded. Some earlier uploads might get deleted "out from under" the current four millionth file, moving it down in the upload count. --Teratornis (talk) 01:35, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
A similarly difficult question would be to identify the world's seven billionth person, when he or she is born. Because multiple births and deaths occur around the world every minute, it would be very difficult to pinpoint one person as having been the youngest person alive at the first instance when the population was exactly seven billion. Of course that would be even harder than identifying the four millionth file on Commons, because at least on Commons the software registers a precise time for each upload and deletion. While we are congratulating ourselves on the four millionth upload, note that Flickr boasted three billion uploaded photos late last year. --Teratornis (talk) 22:33, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
I think our accomplishment is notable since every (or almost every) image of those 4 million are free, categorized and on a basic level filtered for quality. J.smith (talk) 01:35, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I would not equate one photo on Flickr to one photo on Commons, since Flickr has a lot of shovelware. But Flickr also attracts many uploaders who contribute photos of quality that are easily good enough for Commons. Millions of those photos are under free licenses, enough to make them worth harvesting for Commons. This raises the question: why are so many of those uploaders using Flickr rather than Commons (or not also Commons)? We seem to be far behind other photo sharing sites in the competition for uploaders. This is not to reflect negatively on the excellent work of the Commons community thus far, but to show the scope for the vast expansion which is surely possible. A billion photos here would be well within the range of what other sites are doing. But that would require improving our usability to the standard being set by the more popular photo sharing sites. --Teratornis (talk) 04:20, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
It would also require us to expand our scope. J.smith (talk) 16:10, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Another possibility might be to set up another photo-sharing site which would act as a feeder site for Commons (like a photo sandbox site), allowing Commons to keep its existing scope. Imagine a site which gives every person on Earth free access to the sum of human photos. If the Wikimedia Foundation ran its own site which worked something like Flickr, with consumer-grade interface and rules simple enough for humans, we could screen and import content from it to Commons much more efficiently because we would control the Flickr-like project and have access to its internals. As it stands now, importing content from the real Flickr to Commons is rather awkward. One area of concern is the discouraging effect of the numerous persnickety restrictions on Commons - how many potential contributors do we drive away by deleting their early questionable uploads? They might go to a friendlier site like Flickr, where they can upload with far more confidence. As they continue to upload more, their skills improve and their work goes to the friendlier site like Flickr rather than back here. --Teratornis (talk) 20:28, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
I could also add that surely it must be possible to improve the usability of Commons while keeping the current project scope. For example, consider how simple Commons would be if it came equipped with a human expert who understands all the stupefying arcana of our rules. Then even my mother could figure out how to contribute content with no hassles: simply show some photos to the expert, who would recognize what to do with them. At the moment, nobody knows how to implement in code what a billion years of evolution implemented in the brain of the human expert, but it cannot be infinitely difficult to figure out. We will be chipping away at that for next several decades, I think, trying to embed progressively more expertise in the code itself. We can do a fair amount even with simple tools; see for example the Editor's index to Commons, which can make navigating the rules somewhat simpler (although not simple enough for a novice yet). I think the first step is to insure we have enough tools to make answering questions on the Help desk nearly effortless for skilled users. Then we can refine the tools until they are usable by motivated novices. Becoming friendly to casual novices is more difficult; we probably need something like artificial intelligence to power a system that interacts with the user in a conversational way, like a trained human expert advisor would. (Where "artificial intelligence" means "fancy programming we don't know how to do yet.") --Teratornis (talk) 21:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Linking to image

Hello there, I've got an issue with linking to an image from Wikipedia. The reason is that there are two different files on wikipedia and wikicommons and both have got the same name. So I want to make sure, I link to the one at commons, not at wikipedia. How do I do that? Thanks. --Ahnode (talk) 12:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

From the FAQ: Unfortunately at this time, the only options are to have the local file deleted, or re-upload the Commons image under another name. Can you tell me the file name and what local wikipedia you are talking about (English?) -Andrew c (talk) 14:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
I was taking about Russian wikipedia. Someone made a request at the Russian Graphic Lab to retouche several photos (removed website name) and upload them to WikiCommons. So i did, I guess now we need to delete source photos from Russian wikipedia. Thank you Andrew. --Ahnode (talk) 12:33, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Flickr upload bot issues

I log in in order to upload an image, but when I tried that with Flickr bot, I get redirected to the Commons with my status logged out and the file is attributed to my IP address instead. I click on the link in the image template to complete the upload, but I get a "time out" error, and the image never uploads. I would provide a link to the file, but since the intended image never uploaded it was deleted. It is also my first time uploading an image. --Whip it! Now whip it good! 02:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm trying to collect all the information I can find about Flickr as it relates to Commons, under COM:EIC#Flickr. If you are following some instructions I haven't linked to from the Editor's index, feel free to add any more links you have. I've uploaded some photos from Flickr to Commons, but not by the method you describe. I've only (successfully) used Flinfo. I tried the Upload Flickr images tool back in January, but it only worked on one out of the several images I tried to upload with it, so I went back to using Flinfo. If nobody else has a better idea, you could use the Flinfo method. I can give you exact instructions if you tell me the Flickr ID of the photo you want to upload. Or you can figure it out by reading User:Flominator/Flinfo. (Every now and then Flinfo stops working too, but just now it seems to be awake and ready to serve you.) --Teratornis (talk) 04:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Viewing an Image from another Wikimedia Project

Moved from Commons talk:Help desk by --Teratornis (talk) 04:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

How can I view and use an image in Wikimedia Commons from another Wikimedia Project, such as Wikipedia. I have saw some useful images in English Wikipedia, which are not in Wikimedia Commons, such as this Image:Internet Explorer 7 Logo.png. Please help me.

--Amit Gomes(talk) 12:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons accepts only free (as in freedom) content (see Commons:Project scope#Must be freely licensed or public domain). The Internet Explorer logo is not free, and therefore cannot be put to Commons. Only free images can be copied to Commons from Wikipedias. --AVRS (talk) 15:26, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
See also Commons:Screenshots. --Teratornis (talk) 04:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

How to License a file

Moved from Commons talk:Help desk by --Teratornis (talk) 04:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

How I can license a file?

--Amit Gomes (talk) 16:02, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

See Commons:Licensing and everything else under COM:EIC#Copyright. If you can be more specific about the file you have in mind, we can provide more specific advice. There are many different rules depending on what the file contains, for example is it a photograph you took yourself, and did you photograph any objects or people for which there may be legal restrictions, and so on. --Teratornis (talk) 04:29, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Brazilian association of Odontologia

Moved from Commons talk:Help desk by --Teratornis (talk) 05:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


I am with much difficulty in creating a sub-category. How I make pra you make it? they help me please already I tried of all the possible forms.

Since already I am thankful, Newton Mattogrossense Maiewski.

Newton Mattogrossense Maiewski 15:14, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

There is a Category:Health in Brazil which is not very crowded. You could categorize your files into that. To learn about categories, see COM:EIC#Cat and w:Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Building a Stronger Encyclopedia/Categorizing Articles. --Teratornis (talk) 06:02, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Image:Star Trek Archer.jpg and Image:Excelsior07.jpg

Moved from Commons talk:Help desk by --Teratornis (talk) 05:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello. I want to ask how these images are copyright violation when they are already in use in other language wikis? Vlad72

These images are used at the English Wikipedia using Fair Use. Fair Use images are not allowed on Commons and are thus marked as copyright violation here. See Licensing for details. If you want to use these images for another Wikipedia project other than the English Wikipedia you need to find out if the project allows fair use. If it does you can upload the images there locally. --Matt314 21:16, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

image from Esperanto wikipedia

Moved from Commons talk:Help desk by --Teratornis (talk) 05:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

This image on the Esperanto Wikipedia of Edmond Privat would be nice to have on the English Wikipedia article. How can I get it there? How would I license it? None of the pull down menu selections apply. It appears to be in the public domain.Mikereichold 21:42, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

The image page is eo:Dosiero:1925-8-9-revesp-p152-privat.jpg, which indicates the image is in the public domain. Therefore you should move it to Commons by using CommonsHelper. --Teratornis (talk) 05:57, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Where is my image?

Moved from Commons talk:Help desk by --Teratornis (talk) 05:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I've just tried to upload my 1st image and it seemed to go OK. But now Mayflower cannot find it? Can someone pse help? The image is entitled:-

Mers el Kebir Memorial at Toulon, France.jpg

Comments appreciated ...


It's here. Mayflower search is quite out of date, it will not find recently uploaded images. Secondly, there could be a copyright problem with the image: there is no freedom of panorama in France, so if the plaque is copyrighted, you cannot publish an image of it. Finally, did you read the big text at the top of this page? You are supposed to ask at Commons:Help desk, this talk page is only for questions about the help desk itself. --rimshottalk 15:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
OK thanks for the guidance. The image is one which I took myself so there's no problem over copyright. Mikeo1938
You did not make the plaque yourself. That might be a problem. --rimshottalk 07:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Query about deleted image

Moved from Commons talk:Help desk by --Teratornis (talk) 05:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering if it is possible to obtain the user who uploaded an image (ABCI.jpg) after it was waiting a reply within a time frame. I thought I had uploaded a picture of this name, but cannot find it online now. So was wondering if it was my pic if I need to go out and rephotograph the high school, or if someone can peek at the deleted image history and just re-upload it if it was my upload. My last query to this page about this was deleted, if I am to post somewhere else contact me and please don't delete my message or I cannot learn the process please. SriMesh | talk 00:39, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

From the top of this page: This talk page is for discussion about the Help desk, for example the best way to answer questions. Any questions about using the Commons should go on the Help desk itself by clicking the link above.
Your question has (hopefully) been answered at Commons:Help desk#Deleted image user upload query. LX (talk, contribs) 00:46, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you!! I understand my error now. Very sorry SriMesh | talk 02:46, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Deleting my User Page

Moved from Commons talk:Help desk by --Teratornis (talk) 05:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC) As soon as I appeared to start life in Commons, I was attacked by an Admin who blanked my user page. This is very aggressive. If this is the sort of welcome new users receive in Commons, then count me out. Review the deleted page and you can see how many wikis welcome my contributions, so I absolutely no need to stay in one who starts off my trying to execute me. Wjhonson (talk) 07:17, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Sadly this user seems to wish to post in as many places as possible. I have answered them on their talk page & placed links in a number of other places. --Herby talk thyme 07:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Of course. You fight a fire by lighting another fire.Wjhonson (talk) 07:31, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

How to refer to a picture correctly?

Moved from Commons talk:Help desk by --Teratornis (talk) 05:37, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Hello dear commons team! We are a non profit organization and are giving out a magazine (Paracelsus magazine) about health and healing (800 examples). I like using pictures published in Wiki. I always write to the author of the picture and ask for permission. If he tells me yes, but to use the license I am not sure if my reference to the source is correct like this:

e.g. the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 3.0 :

poto: Name /;

Could I abbreviate this naming? It would be such a relief if you could answer me this question! Thank you so much and merry christmas and a happy new year! Paracelsus.magazine (talk) 11:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The way I ask for my CC-BY-SA images be credited is as follows: "Photo By: Justin Smith, Wikimedia Commons, CC-BY-SA 3.0 (". I would ask the photographer of the image if that byline is acceptable first. I'm not a lawyer so I can't offer legal advice, but if the photographer says it's ok, your bases should be covered. --J.smith (talk) 16:37, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

can i please insert a picture

Moved from Talk:Main Page by --Teratornis (talk) 05:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

hello i am new in wiki and i would like to know if you would accept to insert in your pages some computer-made paintings that i create. I am beginner in using computer and web so i don't know how to show you my work.I must say that the only way i know for sending a picture is to insert it in a e-mail; so if you give me an e-mail adress , i can do it. my last work is a computer painting made in less than a hour which illustrates, as i can consider it, the way someone can make something in a way that is in the same time minimal and complete enough. I would be glad if you contact me. Good bye.--Francisdenis (talk) 00:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

See Commons:Project scope and Commons:First steps. It is best if your artworks can illustrate some encyclopedia article. The various language Wikipedias have an immense need for illustrations; see for example Commons:Meet our illustrators. If there is some Wikipedia article about the type of art you create, and you are willing to license your work freely, then you could upload your artwork to illustrate that article. As a new wiki user you should read: Wikipedia: The Missing Manual for basic concepts on how a wiki such as Wikimedia Commons works. --Teratornis (talk) 05:48, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Copyright status of a mosaic on public display

May somebody explain us what in such simple text, text type or style of golden letters on a kind of blue marble in simple rectangle shape in a public area can be copyrighted? -- Хрюша ?? 12:15, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Copyright law differs in every jurisdiction. In what country is this mosaic you describe? For general advice see the links under COM:EIC#Copyright. The age of the mosaic may also matter, and whether the original artist is dead, and for how long. Also how do you intend to photograph this mosaic? If it will merely be a trivial background element in a larger scene, Commons:De minimis and/or COM:FOP may apply. For a definitive answer, you may need to consult an attorney who knows the local laws. --Teratornis (talk) 19:24, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


Hello, I have to conduct some research about the main problems that wikipedia is facing; those being inaccuracy and vandalisim. I have a questionaire which I've attached below. I would appriciate it if anyone who is experienced with these problems were to answer it. You would be of great help.

I do realise that there are a fair amount of questions, thefore please fell free to address only those question that to fell are necessary. Furthermore if you do not have the time to do so, a paragraph describing your opinion of the content on Wikipedia and a vaible method to address the issues of realability and vandalism would be great too

Thanks and regards Dhruv

1) What is your name, your profession and designation? 2) How often do you engage in research and for what purpose? 3) Are you concerned about the authenticity of what you read? If yes why? 4) What form of research do you prefer using the most (books, magazines, journals, internet etc)? 5) Have you ever used a free web-based encyclopedia such as Wikipedia before? 6) If yes a. could you elaborate on the process with which use it to search for information b. Do you use articles from Wikipedia as a source for your citations? c. Please elaborate on your reasons for doing/not-doing so d. Are you aware Wikipedia is a free- to -edit encyclopedia? e. Have you ever edited an article on Wikipedia? f. If yes do you follow the norms suggested by Wikipedia for doing so? g. Do you double check what you learn at Wikipedia? h. If yes, then why do you use Wikipedia in the first place? i. Have you ever come across anomalous/incorrect information on Wikipedia? j. If yes, have you ever thought about doing any thing about it? 7) If no a. Do you have any particular reason for not doing so? Is it linked with the questionable reliability of the articles?

8) In light of the above questions, I’m sure you have come to be aware of some of the flaws that using websites such as Wikipedia entails. Therefore what changes would you recommend to be made on such websites? 9) Further elaborating on the above point, how would you recommend the increase in factuality of the articles on Wikipedia? 10) Would you recommend Wikipedia as a primary source of information to your colleagues? Please specify with a reason?

PS Please leave a name an e-mail address if possible ( for citation purposes) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 18:46, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

You might want to read w:WP:CHEAT so you can at least get your list items to format as a list. Where did you get the idea that the Wikimedia Commons Help desk is a good place to post a survey about Wikipedia (presumably the w:English Wikipedia)? The instructions at the top of this page do say "Feel free to ask any question in any language you like." However, questions that are actually about using Wikimedia Commons are more likely to get direct replies. If you "have to" research Wikipedia, you should see the links under w:WP:EIW#Research. Researching Wikipedia is kind of an industry now. You should study what other people have done before trying to reinvent wheels. Something about that phrase "I have to conduct some research" smells oddly like homework, which makes me wonder what sort of teacher would assign such an odd task, without preparing the students to pursue it, and whether similar surveys are going to start popping up in bunches. --Teratornis (talk) 03:53, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Copyright for Universities


Can someone explain to me why File:UCincinnatiCategory.png had to be deleted for copyright when I basically copied the copyright explanation for File:Pittbanner Heinz.png which was where I got the idea in the first place? Is the image I took the idea from also a copyright violation, or did I do something wrong in the one that I created?

Any help is much appreciated. TheGunn (talk) 19:39, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

If you created all portions of the image yourself, there was no reason to delete it. The deleting admin probably thought it was an official logo of the university. I see that you have contacted the admin who deleted the image. He or she will certainly read your comment and give you an answer. --rimshottalk 21:27, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

UK government images

Could someone advise on the use of UK government works such as The UK Border Agency logo? My first thought is that it would be subject to similar copyright as would a US federal government work, but I'm unsure and not the type to just upload it and see if it flies. Thanks! :) fr33kman -s- 22:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

See w:Crown copyright#United Kingdom. See Category:UK Government images for some examples of files that are out of copyright. --Teratornis (talk) 23:40, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
So I take it that this means I can upload the image, as it's out of copyright; having never been exerted? fr33kman -s- 00:08, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
That logo is already on the English Wikipedia under a fair use rationale: en:File:Home logo.gif which if correct would mean the image is not free enough to upload to Commons. See w:UK Border Agency which says the agency came into existence in 2008, which is much less time than: "Published Crown copyright material has protection for 50 years from date of publication" mentioned in w:Crown copyright#United Kingdom. I'm not an attorney so I have no idea. Information may want to be free but evidently not where Her Majesty is concerned. --Teratornis (talk) 01:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm an admin at simple.wikipedia and am trying to find an image that I can use to illustrate the logo of this agency. I personally believe that the work of a crown employee should be public property; but ... I think I'm going to have to go to an airport and take a photo personally and upload it to commons. I'm soon going to propose non-free use upload at simpleWP because I've come up against these issues many times. Thanks for your help!! All the best :) fr33kman -s- 01:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Not to rain on your parade or anything, but taking a faithful photographic reproduction of a 2-dimensional artwork doesn't get around copyright, according to Commons:Image casebook#2D art (paintings etc.). I wouldn't get frustrated over the logo issue. In fact I would suggest creating a template to display in place of an image you cannot display due to copyright restrictions. Let the millions of Wikipedia readers be fully aware of exactly who is degrading their encyclopedia experience. In the meantime we should focus on collecting and displaying all the free content we can find. As Wikipedia grows in popularity, eventually more people will recognize they are only hurting themselves by hampering our ability to document their organizations. --Teratornis (talk) 02:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
And see Commons:Licensing#United Kingdom. --Teratornis (talk) 04:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Map legend

I am trying to use a commons map ICCPR-members.PNG in a wikibook and I am interested in either getting assistance or an explanation of how to maintain the color coded legend. in wikipedia it looks like

{{legend|#008000|signed and ratified}} {{legend|#00ff00|signed but not ratified}} {{legend|#b9b9b9|neither signed nor ratified}}

--Paul james (talk) 23:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Evidently you refer to the use of this image in w:International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. The legend lines come from w:Template:Legend and have nothing to do with the image, other than that you have to specify the right color in the Legend template to match with what's in the map image you plan to use. This means your challenge, should you choose to accept it, is to port the w:Template:Legend to Wikibooks as: b:Template:Legend (which is not there yet). Porting templates can be difficult. You have to copy the wikitext of the template, and possibly of other templates that the template transcludes (this can turn into a recursive nightmare if those templates transclude further templates, and so on). To add to the fun, if the template uses intricate features of MediaWiki syntax, sometimes it doesn't work on the target wiki. You might have to copy style classes from MediaWiki:Common.css, and make sure any needed extensions show up in Special:Version as installed on the target wiki. However, w:Template:Legend looks pretty simple, so you shouldn't have much difficulty if you want to port it to Wikibooks. If what I wrote does not make sense to you, then you probably need to get some help on Wikibooks from someone who has read all the friendly manual pages about templates. This difficulty of porting templates is one reason why the smaller Wikimedia Foundation projects have difficulty luring users off the larger Wikipedias, where the much larger user communities mean the relative minorities of technically inclined users who write templates are large enough to relieve the other users of the need to fiddle with templates. Going to a smaller wiki forces the pioneers to be more self-reliant. --Teratornis (talk) 00:02, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Bild wiederfinden

Als Neuling habe ich erstmals ein Bild hochgeladen und weiß nicht wie und wo ich die Datei finde, um eine Kategorie anzugeben oder diese in einen Artikel einzubinden. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wichmann (talk • contribs) 11:02, 10 March 2009 (UTC) (UTC)

Z.B. über den Link "Meine Beiträge" ganz oben rechts auf allen Seiten. Die Datei ist File:Sewastopol St Wladimir Kathedrale-2.JPG. Einbinden in einen Artikel geht mittels Einfügen von [[File:Sewastopol St Wladimir Kathedrale-2.JPG|thumb|Beschreibung]] im entsprechenden Artikel. Lupo 11:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Featured file

How long does a file that was promoted to featured status (for example, today) take to show up on the main commons page? I see the voting page and shows 2007 or 2006 in time stamps when it's just up today (for the first time?). 22:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea but it looks like some comments on Commons talk:Picture of the day might determine the answer if I did more than skim them. If careful reading doesn't clear it up, and nobody chimes in with the answer here, you could try asking again there. --Teratornis (talk) 00:16, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Alrighty. 21:25, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

First, second, and third Bulgarian kingdoms (?)


• Кан Аспарух Дуло/680-705/ • Кан Тервел Дуло/699-718/ • Кан Кормесий Дуло/706-733/ • Кан Севар Дуло/724-738/ • Кан Кормисош Вокил/739-755/ • Кан Винех Укил/755-762/ • Кан Телец Угаин/762-764/ • Кан Сабин/764/ • Кан Паган/764-765/ • Умор Укил/765/ • Кан Токту/765-766/ • Кан Телериг/766-777/ • Кан Кардам/777-802/ • Кан Крум/802-814/ • Кан Омуртаг/814-831/ • Кан Маламир/831-836/ • Кан Пресиян/836-852/ • Княз Владимир – Расате/889-893/ • Симеон І Велики/княз 893-913, цар 913-927/ • Цар Петър І/927-970/ • Цар Борис ІІ/970-971/ • Цар Роман/977-997/ • Цар Самуил/997-1014/ • Цар Гаврил Радомир Роман/1014-1015/ • Цар Иван Владислав/1015-1018/ • Цар Петър ІІ Делян/1040-1041/ • Цар Петър ІІІ/Константин І Бодин/1072


• Цар Петър ІV(Теодор Белгун Слав)/1185-1197/ • Цар Йоан-Асен І Белгун/1190-1196/ • Цар Клоян/1197-1207/ • Цар Борил/1207-1218/ • Цар Йоан Асен ІІ/1218-1241/ • Цар Калиман І Асен/1241-1246/ • Цар Михаил ІІ Асен/1246-1256/ • Цар Калиман ІІ Асен/1256/ • Цар Мицо Асен/1256-1257/ • Цар Константин ІІ Асен Тих/1257-1277/ • Цар Михаил ІІІ Асен Тих/1276-1279/ • Цар Ивайло/1277-1280/ • Цар Йоан Асен ІІІ/1279-1280/ • Цар Георги І Тертер/1280-1292/ • Цар Смилец/1292-1298/ • Цар Йоан Асен ІV Комнин/1298-1299/ • Цар Чака/1299-1300/ • Цар Тодор Светослав/1300-1321/ • Цар Георги ІІ Тертер/1321-1322/ • Цар Михаил ІV Шишман/1323-1330/ • Цар Иван Стефан/1330-1331/ • Цар Иван Александър/1331-1371/ • Цар Иван Асен V/1332-1345/ • Цар Михаил V Асен/1341-1354/ • Цар Иван Шишман/1371-1395/ • Цар Иван Страцимир/1360-1396/ • Цар Константин ІІІ Страцимир/1396-1422 с прекъсвания/


• Княз Александър Батемберг/1879-1886/ • Цар Фердинанд/1887-1918/ • Цар Борис ІІІ/1918-1943/ • Цар Симеон ІІ/1943-1947/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 18:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

You appear to have uploaded a list of rulers from the First Bulgarian Empire and the second and third. Your attempt to format the entries as a list did not succeed; see the cheatsheet for the code to make a list. For example, the entries for the third empire/kingdom should look like this:
    • Княз Александър Батемберг/1879-1886/
    • Цар Фердинанд/1887-1918/
    • Цар Борис ІІІ/1918-1943/
    • Цар Симеон ІІ/1943-1947/
Finally, you do not appear to have asked a question. It looks like you want to add text to one or more articles on the Bulgarian Wikipedia. As I do not speak Bulgarian I cannot help further. --Teratornis (talk) 00:22, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I came from wikipedia

I edited a file to add a ruler and it turns out it's on commons. so I made an account but I cant see an upload new version of a file link like on wikipedia. Is this because I am new or is there some other system? Silverxxx (talk) 01:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

New questions go at the bottom of the Help desk, so I moved your question from the top. I guess that you are w:User:Silverxxx on the w:English Wikipedia, and the image you are asking about is:
I see no similar image on Commons:
Since w:File:Ruler2.png is in the public domain, and not yet on Commons, you can move it to Commons with CommonsHelper. See:
--Teratornis (talk) 03:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
If you have not done so already, you can merge your accounts with Special:MergeAccount. --Teratornis (talk) 04:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


✓ Done I've uploaded File:LeslieNielsenOct08-replacement.jpg, intending it to replace File:LeslieNielsenOct08.jpg.

I can't replace it myself, as my commons account is brand new.

The reason for the replacement is, on wikipedia-en, User talk:Trudyjh placed a helpme requesting that the image be fixed, as it had clearly been re-touched from the original from flickr.

I therefore got the largest available image from flickr, but it had the name written on the picture.

So I edited the picture, cropped it to remove most of the name and then blurred out the remainder. I think the cropped image will be preferable anyway.

So - could this image now please be moved over, to replace the existing one?

Any issues, if possible please contact me via my wikipedia-en talk page, User talk:Chzz.

Thanks for your time.

--Chzz (talk) 14:12, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Have you merged your accounts with Special:MergeAccount? See COM:EIC#SingleSignon. COM:FAQ#How can I upload a new version of a file? says a new account has to wait four days before you can upload a new version of a file. Since you already uploaded File:LeslieNielsenOct08-replacement.jpg, just tell w:User:Trudyjh to use your new image wherever she needs it in the English Wikipedia. After you fix the copyright status problem. You should read all the links on the {{Welcome}} template on your user talk page so you understand how to use Commons. You can find lots of examples of Derivative works on Commons, for example:
which uses the {{Retouched}} template. Your image can probably use the {{Extracted from}} template. See Commons:Flickr files for instructions on how to document your Flickr uploads. --Teratornis (talk) 23:03, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I was the user that uploaded the original image. I contacted the author to use the image on Wikipedia and he gave me permission to use the image. The author e-mailed me the image in its current format and I uploaded that. The cropped image that was just created will need to include the OTRS ticket that came with the first image or it may be deleted. If anyone responds to this, please leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks and happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 04:36, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
There's a bit of a debate about this; please can I ask all parties not to make any further changes while we work out what to do. I'll put a further note here when we're sorted out. Thanks for all the advice, which I will now consider. I'll certainly try to get my accounts merged. Cheers, --Chzz (talk) 11:47, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, everyone. I've now unified my accounts, I've fixed up the copyright status of the file and added tags to explain the retouching. I'm working towards consensus with the users regarding which picture to use in the article. Cheers, --Chzz (talk) 12:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Even better: --  Chzz  ►  12:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
It's refreshing to see someone who figures out sketchy instructions. Figuring out Commons is considerably easier for experienced Wikipedia users than it is for people who are learning Commons as their first wiki. You might want to put a link to the Editor's index on your user page. I'm trying to make that page link to everything else that matters here.
Just so we're clear, for anyone else reading along or finding this discussion later in the archive, there is no problem with having multiple retouched versions of an image along with the original at separate file names on Commons. Unlike the English Wikipedia, Commons does not delete images merely because they are orphans (not used in any articles on any Wikimedia Foundation projects). --Teratornis (talk) 19:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Crafts and Art

Hi - I just read the page on copyrights of artwork but am still uncertain if this applies to beads. Would a close-up photo of a hand-carved wampum bead that is part of a larger piece be copyrighted? Would details of very common beadwork designs on hair clips be copyrighted? That is, the design is commonplace but the pieces were created by individuals.

I have also noticed many images of contemporary public artwork (statues, installations, etc.) in Commons via Creative Commons not uploaded by the artists. What are the policies governing this? Is it feasible to share small-resolution images of other people's art or is that illegal in the US? Thanks for any information! Cheers, -Uyvsdi (talk) 16:59, 14 March 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Outdoor public art varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, see Commons:Freedom of panorama for more details. I'm not sure about beadwork though. Clothing is often seen as utilitarian (even costumes and such) and photos of such may not be subject to copyright in the US. But again, this will need more research, don't take my word on it. Hopefully, this helps someone, and sorry I don't have the full answer.-Andrew c (talk) 18:44, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


beim erstmaligen Hochladen eines Bildes hier (sic!) habe ich prompt die Kategorien falsch eingegeben, und zwar habe ich versehentlich in das Eingabefeld das Wort category: mit eingegeben. Es handelt sich um folgendes Bild: File:Herbert Brückner.jpg

Wie kann ich beiden Kategorien-Angaben berichtigen?? Bitte auch mal schauen, ob ich wenigstens sonst alles richtig gemacht habe... ;-)
Danke + Grüße, --Jocian (talk) 17:37, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Ähm, die Kategorien-Zuordnungen habe ich soeben repariert, war ja eigentlich klar, wie das geht... sorry.
Bitte aber nochmal schauen, ob ich sonst alles richtig gemacht habe. --Jocian (talk) 18:20, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Can't download images!

Howdy from Jackson Hole!

I'm trying to copy a chakra image: to use in a document.

The image looks fine if I'm using the web based Google Docs (until I'm no longer connected to WiFi). Then I only get the image's URL link:

Also, when I try to paste a copy of that image into the non-web based document of NeoOffice, I again only get the image's URL link:

I'm using a Mac Air with no right click mouse button, and am new to Macs. I have the same problem with both the Safari & Firefox browsers. I'm sure there must be a simple solution, but I can't find one. Could somebody please give me step-by-step instructions?

Happy Trails!

(e-mail address removed to avoid spam) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MountainSufi (talk • contribs) 00:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I have only used a Mac briefly and that was some time ago, so I don't recall having saved any images on a Mac or exactly how to do it. But on a computer I know how to use, I can see a way to save an image without using the right mouse button:
  • Browse to the image page:
  • From the Web browser menu, select: File | Save Page As...
If you don't have some command like that, you will have to find out how to use a Mac. For example, you could:
--Teratornis (talk) 20:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Reading en:Context_menu might help. --Rosentod (talk) 08:23, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

merging accounts

Hello. By mistake I have created two accounts User:ShahabELS and User:Shahab. I want to merge them. Is there any provision to do this? Thanks--Shahab (talk) 15:55, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

You could make a request Commons:Changing_username#Current_Usurpation_requests, though I'm not sure it's possible (or I cannot guarantee, if it is, that your request will be accepted). You can always choose one username which you want to use, and then leave a note or redirect at the other.-Andrew c (talk) 16:01, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response. I have made a request accordingly.--Shahab (talk) 16:12, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Una pregunta

Las imágenes de aquí ¿se pueden utilizar para crear otras y subirlas a commons? respondanme en inglés, no hay problema.--Ente X (discusión) 19:05, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Google Translation seems to suggest you might be asking about Reusing content outside Wikimedia. Read that page for the details. If that is not what you mean, please try again. And maybe check the English output from Google Translation to see if your question survives the trip. I'm glad it is "no hay problema" for me to respond in English because that is the only language I can write semi-coherently. --Teratornis (talk) 04:01, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
The images here do you can use to create other and upload them to commons?--Ente X (discusión) 11:50, 9 March 2009 (UTC).
I misunderstood your original question. Unfortunately, no one else is answering, so I seem to be your only hope. I think I understand what you mean now. See: Commons:Project scope#Must be freely licensed or public domain. Your question is the same as asking whether the images on that site are published under a free license, or are in the public domain. Sadly, it appears the whole site is copyrighted, and that page gives no information about terms for reusing content from the site. As far as I can see, the people who created the site have either not heard of Free content, or they reject the idea. I can only suggest that you contact the people who run the site and ask them to clarify their position on reusing their content. The philosophy of information being free is unfamiliar to most people. If someone has not already read and accepted the ideas of free-content organizations such as Creative Commons or Wikimedia Commons, explaining these ideas to them may be difficult. Convincing them to join the free-content movement may be even more difficult. So I expect the chances are low that they would agree to freely license their content, but you can always try asking them. --Teratornis (talk) 14:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Also see: Commons:Derivative works. If you want to use images from that site in another art work, it would be a derivative work incorporating copyrighted images, and therefore unsuitable for Commons. The copyright owner must license the art to be freely reusable. --Teratornis (talk) 14:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Uh, mal ahí. No importa, gracias de todas formas.--Ente X (discusión) 01:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Remove image version from history

Hello, I'd like to completely remove the old version of an image I posted:

Any idea how?
Daemorris (talk) 01:52, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

✓ Done --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
[ec] Hopefully an admin will see this and just do it. Otherwise, you could post on the admin noticeboard with the same request or possibly tag the image for speedy deletion and in the note say you only want the old revision deleted as the author for privacy reasons. -Andrew c (talk) 15:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Daemorris (talk) 18:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Rotation of video file

Hula hoop video

Could someone rotate this file by 90°? Or how could this be done? Thanks, --Mattes (talk) 12:43, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Did you try a Google search? --Teratornis (talk) 20:28, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
OK, it's being done now. Trying that my own takes too much time and effort. --Mattes (talk) 01:38, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Image of Frederick Duke of York "by John Jackson" source National Portrait Gallery

[[Media:Media:Example.ogg]] The image in Commons is mis-attributed. The small portrait in the NPG is labelled as being 'after John Jackson'. The portrait by John Jackson was a copy of the orginal by Sir Thomas Lawrence.

How do I change it? I can find no edit facility in Commons, nor a clue in the Commons FAQ.

Thanks Nick Savage — Preceding unsigned comment added by Njbsavage (talk • contribs) 09:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

If you refer to File:Frederick, Duke of York and Albany.jpg, you can edit the image page by clicking the "edit" tab at the top. If you are new to MediaWiki editing in general, you should read Wikipedia: The Missing Manual. Wikimedia Commons (this site) is not very strong on instructions for people who are new to wikis; the working assumption (I gather) is that most Commons users will have previously gained editing experience on one of the various language Wikipedias. For example, the English Wikipedia has a nice tutorial and cheat sheet. --Teratornis (talk) 17:31, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Bernard Madoff's mugshot

I would really like to upload Madoff's mug shot, but all of the images are either copies of the image found in the New York Post which has a watermark stating that the mugshot is from the U.S. Department of Justice, or the version at which has a footer watermark stating that it is courtesy of the U.S. Department of Justice. All other versions that I could find are copies or enlargements of these photos. I cannot find the mugshot on the USDOJ's website. I also do not have photo-editing software and do not know how to use this software. What should be done? If someone else can take care of this, please do so. Jesse Viviano (talk) 05:47, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

It should be pretty simple to crop a photo in just about any Raster graphics editor. If you are running Microsoft Windows for example you should have Microsoft Paint. Wikis such as this site (Wikimedia Commons) tend to be do it yourself systems, so usually the quickest way to do something is to figure out how to do it yourself, although sometimes you can find someone who will help you. --Teratornis (talk) 08:53, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
✓ Done Pruneautalk 11:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, sometimes like that. --Teratornis (talk) 22:55, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

new image question

Hello, new to uploading images and had a question. I just uploaded File:Logo International Court of Justice.jpg, which is the logo of a UN body so I am near certain that it is in the public domain, though I am no longer sure the license I places was appropriate. Can somebody tell me if I was wrong or right? Thanks, Nableezy (talk) 05:49, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't see anything that looks obviously wrong, but I'm not an expert on UN works. Help:Public domain#Published in the United States lists the types of UN works published in the United States at any time are in the public domain. I guess {{PD-UN}} is appropriate for the permission template because there aren't a lot of other choices. I would say leave the image as it is, but be aware that unpleasant surprises are possible at any time, for example one of our 6,479,616 users might stumble across it later and know something we don't. --Teratornis (talk) 17:04, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I see the UN logo has the same license so I think this would be fine as well. Nableezy (talk) 20:23, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Image copyright

My editor wants me to upload an image of his magazine, which I did. However, I got a notice saying it may be deleted. I have the permissions needed to use the image and I thought I filled everything out correctly. Any ideas on how I can fix this? The page wouldn't look as good without a cover shot.

Thanks, Ocintern — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocintern (talk • contribs) 14:54, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

You will need to follow the procedure in Commons:OTRS so we can verify and archive the permission. --Teratornis (talk) 23:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Error when trying to upload a picture


I'm working on a wikipedia project for school involving a fly species and wanted to upload a picture to go with the taxonomy box but when I go to special: upload it says:

Unauthorized From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The action you have requested is limited to Autoconfirmed users, Administrators, Uploaders. Return to Main Page.

I don't understand I thought everyone could edit and upload. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk • contribs) 23:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Taking points individually:
  • Where did you get the picture you are trying to upload? If you found it on the Internet, most pictures on the Internet are not free. If you took the picture yourself, then you own the copyright and you can license the picture under a suitably free license.
  • You are asking about uploading a picture on Wikipedia (presumably the English Wikipedia), and yet you are asking for help on the Wikimedia Commons Help desk. How did you get from Wikipedia to Commons?
  • Did you check to see whether Wikipedia or Commons already has a picture of this fly?
  • Thank you for copying the error message into your question. See w:WP:GLOSSARY#Autoconfirm.
  • Once upon a time, everyone could edit and upload on Wikipedia. Then came several million vandals who led the Wikipedia community to chip away at the rights of unregistered users and newly registered users.
  • You should not trust what you think or assume about Wikipedia. Instead you should read Wikipedia: The Missing Manual.
--Teratornis (talk) 23:56, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
To upload a file, you need to create an account. Once that's done, you will be able to upload files, but make sure that they are available under a free licence. Pruneautalk 10:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
If you already have an account on the English Wikipedia, you can unify your accounts with Special:MergeAccount. See m:Help:Unified login. --Teratornis (talk) 17:38, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


Want to rename this file pl help.

File:LED torch/flashlight.jpg
rename to Simple Led torch/flashlight

Yousaf465 (talk)

To rename a file, tag it with {{Rename}}. You could also re-upload the file under the correct name, and tag the old file with {{Bad name}}. Pruneautalk 11:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the help.Tagged as suchYousaf465 (talk)
Because "LED" is an acronym for Light-emitting diode it should be in all uppercase. --Teratornis (talk) 17:34, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
✓ Done asked for LED.Yousaf465 (talk)

Importing to Wikicommons from flickr

Shaheen Air International Boeing 737-200.jpg

I shot this one but under which licence I should use for it.[5].Yousaf465 (talk)

How about changing the license at Flickr to CC-BY or CC-BY-SA instead of CC-BY-NC-SA? Then you just use the same license here. Alternatively, upload it here as CC-BY-SA, tag it as {{OTRSpending}} and send an e-mail to permissions-commons AT wikimedia DOT org stating that you are both Flickr user "yousaf10c" and Commons user "Yousaf465", and that any images you transfer from your Flickr account to the Commons are properly licensed here at the Commons even though they bear a more restrictive license at Flickr. But it'd be easier to just change the license at Flickr to CC-BY or CC-BY-SA: then you don't have to deal with all that OTRS stuff. Lupo 10:09, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the help.Yousaf465 (talk)
See COM:EIC#Flickr. I've had the best results from the Flinfo method. --Teratornis (talk) 18:01, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
See User talk:Teratornis#Uploading an image for a detailed example. See File:BD-propagande-2 (en).jpg for an explanation of why Commons does not accept images with a noncommercial restriction. --Teratornis (talk) 18:04, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

✓ DoneAsked for permission form Otrs.Yousaf465 (talk)

Tactical Neuronics

I am a software author and owner of Tactical Neuronics. I want to supply a image that I use for my products first splash screen shown when the program loads. This walks the line between screen shot and a work of my own. Which choice should I use when selecting the license type? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redej0 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

The first page mostly addresses readers who want to take screenshots of software for which they do not own the copyright. In that case, if the software is under a free license, no problem. If the software is not under a free license, then we need the copyright holder to release the screen shot under a free license, and send an e-mail notice of permission which we can verify and archive in our OTRS. Note that by publishing your screenshot under a free license, you will be permitting anyone to use any part of the screenshot, including design elements, for any purpose, including commercial use. (That's my understanding, anyway. Consult an attorney if you need to understand the ramifications, if any.) However, if you choose a free license with copyleft protection, nobody else can later make your screenshot non-free. --Teratornis (talk) 23:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Teratornis is correct... however, it will not impact your trademarks or patents, so you wouldn't be losing those protections. J.smith (talk) 01:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

"Add a box"

shown in files just below the image. What does it mean and where can I find out further information? Where is Commons News located? -- 20:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I can't guess where you have seen "Add a box". Please give a link to a page that shows this. A Google search on Commons for "add a box" does not find anything that looks like it might be what you mean. As for news, something under COM:EIC#News might apply. --Teratornis (talk) 23:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
It's a newly installed and default set Java Script feature for registered users. you can set a link to a item in the image ("Category to link this box to"), good for description and even more useful if other parts of the image are extracted (group photographs and technical diagrams). Why it's not documented is a good question, I even don't know where it could be done. -- 04:21, 20 March 2009 (UTC) P.S. Upon choosing the link, the image get's a # at the end. And eventually this comes out: "{{0}}" after performing the box adding. -- 04:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
The only thing that comes to mind is the experimental and unsupported "ImageBoxes" gadget, but that certainly isn't enabled by default for anyone. And gadgets are not turned on for users who are not logged in. I don't know whether that gadget works at all. Lupo 10:16, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
As to why something is not documented, it's rare for one person to have both programming skills and documenting skills. Usually the program comes first, perhaps the programmer writes a sketchy initial document, and then over time other individuals in the community will improve the document as they puzzle out how to use the program. Since the programmer already understands the program, he often has difficulty imagining what someone who does not already understand the program needs to know about it. This is typical of a learned skill. Try to imagine, for example, explaining exactly how you walk to a robot which has never walked before, or to a human who has lost the ability due to brain damage, but has all the necessary equipment. Usually when we walk we aren't thinking about exactly how we do it. Most people who can walk don't know how to train someone else to walk; for that, one needs to be trained as a physical therapist. Also consider that most programmers have read lots of books about how to write programs, but none about how to document programs. Some people with technical skills are just bad writers, and may be reluctant to write any more than necessary, because they don't enjoy it. --Teratornis (talk) 18:18, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
@Teratornis: Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment all true... Symbol support vote.svg Support--Mattes (talk) 14:55, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Moving an image with reverts, flickr info

I've been looking at moving en:File:Screech.jpg to commons, but I'm not sure if anything aside from the initial upload needs to be moved. All additional uploads are copyright works (a screencap from a beer commercial, and some from a kid's movie). Is it ok to upload the initial image and drop any additional uploads/reverts? Should I just upload the image directly from the flickr source? -Optigan13 (talk) 00:07, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

See COM:EIC#MoveToCommons. Normally one would use CommonsHelper to move an image from the English Wikipedia to Commons. I do not know whether CommonsHelper copies all the old revisions of an image. I would just use CommonsHelper and let it do whatever it thinks is best. However, the current revision of this image might have a copyright problem. See: COM:CB#Costumes and cosplay. You might need to obtain permission from whoever holds the copyright to the Screech character (presumably the Washington Nationals) and validate it by the procedure in COM:OTRS. w:List of Major League Baseball mascots#Screech describes the origin of the mascot costume design. Since it wasn't an original work of the Washington Nationals but was instead the result of contest submission, I'm not sure who would hold the copyright. --Teratornis (talk) 17:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I just use manual moving with commonshelper giving me the info and uploading just the first file manually, and I don't direct upload. The only thing I took away from the costumes casebook listing is to not really overthink, or be overly restrictive. Several other mascot pictures are already present on commons, so if this is an issue, it won't just apply to this specific mascot. The images still need a flickr reviewer to confirm them, so for now I'll move them and see if anyone objects. Thanks for the help. -Optigan13 (talk) 20:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


There is a California Department of Corrections mugshot I would like to upload, but don't know what to do for a license.--Zblewski (talk) 04:50, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't; there is no general acceptable license for works of the state of California.--Prosfilaes (talk) 12:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Mugshots are generally copyrighted by the agency that took them. They could release it under the public domain, but such releases should be directed to OTRS. J.smith (talk) 15:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


Hello. I'm new here and I'm wondering what licene I use to upload a screenshot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Man of I-Mages (talk • contribs) 17:05, March 20, 2009 (UTC)

Screen shots are usually not appropriate for upload, since they are not free. Whatever license the software has been released under is what applies to the screen shot. What program is it? J.smith (talk) 01:17, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

It's a Phineas and Ferb screenshot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Man of I-Mages (talk • contribs) 18:10, March 20, 2009 (UTC)

TV show screenshots are copyrighted so you will not be able to upload it to Commons. Consider uploading it to Wikipedia under fair use rationale. See both en:Template:Non-free television screenshot and en:Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline for more info. --Yarnalgo (talk) 03:13, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

A question with no heading

Copy-and-pasted from User talk:Bkervyn#Image:Logo 3v 70px.gif

You wrote: Image:Logo 3v 70px.gif

Hello Bkervyn, I noticed you tagged this image under a "Self" license. This implies that you created it. Only the original copyright holder can choose a license. Since you gave a URL as the source of this image, I don't think you did create it. So I'm tagging it as "missing license". If you can't find out the true copyright status of this image within 7 days, it may be deleted. We only accept images that are known to be free here. Any questions, ask me or at the Commons:Help desk. Thanks, pfctdayelise (translate?) 02:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Answer from Bernard KERVYN: Please check our website. I am co-founder and director of the direction. This is our logo! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bkervyn (talk • contribs) 09:07, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
The problem is that we cannot verify a user's identify merely from edits on Commons. Anybody could create an account and claim to be the owner of any work. If the website does not explicitly state that the logo is available under a free license, then we have to assume it is under copyright by default. You have two basic options:
  • You can display a free license notice on your website, or
  • You can follow the procedure in Commons:OTRS to validate and archive your permission to release the logo as free content.
See Commons:Licensing. --Teratornis (talk) 19:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Another question with no heading


I am trying to attach a jpg photo to an existing article I own the pic, which I took back in 1970 I have attempted to list the license as a GNU Free Doc licence I thought I had given all info requested, but I keep receiving messages quoting "more info required" I am a beginner, could someone please give me idiot proof staged instructions on how to correct the info - or how to start from scratch? I would be very grateful many thanks Sirpercyblakeney (talk) 11:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)SIRPERCYBLAKENEYSirpercyblakeney (talk) 11:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Did you read the instructions under Commons:First steps? I don't think there is any way to idiot-proof the instructions, because the complexities of copyright law introduce many exceptions, gotchas, special cases, and conditional branches. On top of that, Wikimedia Commons has some rather complex features such as categories which tend not to make sense to people who are seeing the features for the first time. Judging from your contributions, you seem to be talking about File:Marmalade.jpg. The only problem with that file currently is that it lacks useful categories. See Commons:First steps/Sorting. To find suitable categories, use the search field to the upper left to find some photos of other bands from the same era/location/genre, and see what categories they are in. For example, File:Tony Stevens - Foghat - 1973.jpg is in these categories:
Find some images similar to yours, see what categories they are in, then click the "edit" link at the top of an image page to copy the category links to the clipboard. Paste them into your image page and edit as necessary. --Teratornis (talk) 19:19, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Image replacement

Hi there, I have corrected "" and uploaded as "". Because my account is too new, can someone rename my correction as "Kocaeli_districts.png"? thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Derinkaya (talk • contribs) 18:48, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know for the future, you can upload "a new version" of a file over an old version. Look for the "Upload a new version of this file" link at the bottom of the image page.-Andrew c (talk) 03:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
And Commons:Deletion_policy#Duplicates might help you if you want to try tagging your images directly for admin attention.-Andrew c (talk) 03:40, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
He wasn't trying to upload a new version, he was trying to upload it with a better name. For that you can upload it with the better name as you did, and then tag the one with the bad name with {{bad name|NEW VERSION NAME}}. --Yarnalgo (talk) 06:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Never mind, your right I just misunderstood him. --Yarnalgo (talk) 06:19, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The Philadelphia Bank building pediment - Deletion request

I uploaded another copy of this Philadelphia Bank building pediment to change the description:

I would like the original photos, 3 versions, deleted:

Please let me know how or if this can be done. Davidt8 (talk) 21:30, 21 March 2009 (UTC)Davidt8

It's unnecessary to upload a new image to change the description; just hit the edit button at the top of the page and edit it just like you would any other wiki page.--Prosfilaes (talk) 23:40, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I asked about how or can the original photos, 3 versions, be deleted. Can this be done, or should it just be left as it is?Davidt8 (talk) 11:58, 22 March 2009 (UTC)Davidt8
Now I see that a template has been added to stating that it is an exact duplicate and asking administrators to remove it. I think I should just let that happen. Comments? Davidt8 (talk) 12:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)Davidt8

Two copies

PIA Destinations - Present and Former.jpg

is also presnet on wikipedia,should it be deleted from there?.Yousaf465 (talk)

Yes it should. If the image has been moved to Commons, the copy on wikipedia should be tagged with {{NowCommons}} and it will be deleted (I have done this already). --Yarnalgo (talk) 09:48, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

No preview for my file

I uploaded the file Helix_Nebula_by_ESO.jpg but there is no preview being generated. I can't see why. -- Discostu (talk) 03:08, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I believe you've hit a limit on file size, above which it won't generate a preview.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:25, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't think so, the one by the NASA is much bigger. -- Discostu (talk) 03:31, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Seems like the problem was that I compressed the image "progressive". Now it works. -- Discostu (talk) 17:13, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Language help

Translation need for this [6].Yousaf465 (talk)

There is a tool, "Sum it up" found here which can give you a basic outline for some translations based on the lead content in the corresponding wikipedia articles. I have run the tool and added the summaries to the top of the page. You should test out the tool yourself, if you want. Hope this helps.-Andrew c (talk) 14:05, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for it,I will check.Yousaf465 (talk)

How to make a thumbnail

Photo I am attempting to put in my article takes up most of the page; How can I make it appear as a thumbnail or at least smaller scale? Thanks -

To include a thumbnail in a page, use [[File:Example.jpg|thumb]], replacing Example.jpg with the correct file name. --rimshottalk 23:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Atlas of Azerbaijan

somehow this page was deleted and is the only country missing at the Atlas. Could it be restored to its original version

I have restored the old version from before it was vandalized. --rimshottalk 23:08, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Archiving a talk page

How do I archive my talkpage automatically does bot work here also?Yousaf465 (talk)

Yes, try these instructions: User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo --J.smith (talk) 15:53, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Does it work here also.Yousaf465 (talk)
Seems it does: Special:Contributions/MiszaBot. --Teratornis (talk) 03:18, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

File links to show check usage results?

If I run the check usage on the following Commons file,'s_House03.png

I see the following results,
Mifflin Commandant's House03.png found: 817 KB, 900x675 pixels - used on 2 pages [–] User:Swinefeld User:Swinefeld/Gallery - used on 3 pages [–] Fort Mifflin List of forts National Register of Historic Places listings in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, F-L

but in the File links section, I only see the two user pages, and not the Wikipedia pages. Is there a way to make the 3 Wikipedia pages appear after the two user pages?Davidt8 (talk) 03:06, 23 March 2009 (UTC)Davidt8

No. The File links section shows the links internal to Wikimedia Commons only.--Prosfilaes (talk) 03:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
I can see that I did not ask my question clearly enough. If I have learned about the three Wikipedia pages from check usage, can I update the File links section myself to show that information, perhaps using a template? Davidt8 (talk) 12:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)Davidt8
The "File links" section is just for internal links within the Commons. The reason we have the check usage tab is to show where the image is used on other projects. There is no way that I know of to edit or amend the "File links" section, as it is generated by the software. So I personally do not believe what you want is possible, though I could be wrong. If you look at the image page from ( there you will see the three links that are internal to The purpose of the check usage tab is to make up for the fact that the software doesn't create links for usages on other projects. -Andrew c (talk) 22:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
There are some other options for linking to Wikipedia articles from an image page (although not from the automatically-generated "File links" section):
  • The {{Information}} template has a Description field. You can link from there to articles on the English Wikipedia using inline interwiki links. For example, see a file I uploaded from Flickr, which links to the w:Nordex article:
  • You can link to an article on a particular language Wikipedia by using an interlanguage link. For example, the above image has the link en:Lamma Winds which shows up as a link on the word "English" in the "in wikipedia" box below the toolbox to the left.
  • You can add arbitrary sections to the image page and list as many links as you want, although any other user who doesn't like them can just as easily remove them, so the links would need to be relevant to the image. Note that if someone later adds or removes the image from Wikipedia articles, your list of article links could go out of date. The "File links" section stays up to date because the MediaWiki software generates it automatically (for links on the given wiki).
You can also link back from Wikipedia articles to image categories on Commons with w:Template:Commons cat. --Teratornis (talk) 03:43, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Problems to see files

These images File:DJCTQ - L.JPG, File:DJCTQ - 10.JPG, File:DJCTQ - 12.JPG, File:DJCTQ - 14.JPG, File:DJCTQ - 16.JPG, File:DJCTQ - 18.JPG from DCJTQ don't show up when I'm using IE or Google Chrome. On Firefox and Opera is everything ok. Does somebody know what is the problem? Mizunoryu 大熊猫❤小熊猫 (talk) 02:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Hrm, at first I thought that was impossible, but I've reproduced the problem. I can download and view the JPEG fine, but viewing it in IE doesn't work. I suspect it's a malformed JPEG file breaking IE's JPEG parsing. I think someone will have to download them, open them in a program and re-save them back out (at high quality to diminish generation loss), and then re-upload them to work around the problem. Dcoetzee (talk) 02:37, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I already tried with File:DJCTQ - 10.JPG but it didn't work =/. Mizunoryu 大熊猫❤小熊猫 (talk) 03:20, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Now it worked! I opened them in Photo Plus and the colors were all changed. So I reopen them in Photoshop, saved 'em and opened the saved versions in Photo Plus and saved againg and voilá! Thanks, Dcoetzee. Mizunoryu 大熊猫❤小熊猫 (talk) 04:52, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

License for derivatives of US Government work

I am not sure what kind of license I would select if I wanted to upload images that were from the US Census Bureau but I have since edited. --JBC3 (talk) 06:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind. I give up. This crap is too hard for the run-of-the-mill user. --JBC3 (talk) 07:01, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way; many run-of-the-mill users have figured it out with just a little patience and a little research. U.S. Census Bureau images are likely to be in the public domain; therefore, you may release derivative images under any license you like. However, unless the edits are extensive, I would recommend simply using {{PD-USGov-DOC-Census}}, perhaps coupled with {{PD-self}}. Powers (talk) 11:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
You should normally use {{PD-USGov-DOC-Census}}. An exception is when you have edited the original image in such a creative way that you get copyright to the derivative work. In that case, you can use any of the free licenses available on Commons (Creative Commons, PD-self, GFDL, FAL etc.). Samulili (talk) 13:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Commons is difficult to learn because of the complexities of copyright law imposed on us from outside. However, copyright law is a social construct, which means we humans could rid ourselves of this nonsense if we decided to. Before computers made it possible for the average person to copy information in large volumes and with perfect fidelity, copyright law was mostly something that only large corporations had to fiddle with, and they could afford to hire attorneys to do the fiddling for them. Now that technology has completely changed the game rules, we struggle under the artificial inefficiency resulting from an anachronistic legal code. Unfortunately, society as a whole tends to lag at least 30 years behind technology, in part because many people who try to figure out a site like Wikimedia Commons will conclude they are powerless to change the real problem, that is if they recognize the real problem, and give up instead. --Teratornis (talk) 03:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Uploading a newer version


I have cleaned up the following image using an application File:FatherPatNoise.jpg. On wikipedia images it says "upload a newer version of this file", however there isn't this feauture on commons. I tried to use "edit this file using an external application" but I downloaded a .php file and got an error message. --DFS454 (talk) 19:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Under the heading "File history" and underneath the table, there is a link for "Upload a new version of this file" on all Wikimedia Commons pages. Make sure you are viewing the image page hosted at, because that page will show through at (but won't have any of the links). To get to the commons image page from the page, click the link in the text that says "This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. The description on its description page there is shown below." Alternatively, if you are on the Commons, you can use the upload form, and if you make sure the file name is identical, you can upload over existing files. Hope this helps.-Andrew c (talk) 20:50, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I'll probably have to try the second method as I can't see the "Upload a new version of this file" (I'm on the commons page). I even took a screen shot to prove it. File:File history screen shot copy.png Best regards. --DFS454 (talk) 21:38, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Ok, figured it out. While the commons does allow new users who have not been autoconfirmed to upload images (unlike, there are still some restrictions for your first 4 days (before you are autoconfirmed). One of these is (drum roll please.....) you cannot overwrite images. See Commons:Autoconfirmed users. Hope this helps!-Andrew c (talk) 21:43, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I added a link to the Editor's index under COM:EIC#Autoconfirm. --Teratornis (talk) 02:42, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
That explains it, thanks for the help! --DFS454 (talk) 08:54, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Can the "date" field be populated by EXIF data?

When I upload images such as this one which I know have accurate EXIF data, is there some way to force the "date" field of the summary box of the image page to automatically fill in that information from the EXIF data rather than requiring me to type in the date manually? In other words, I would leave the "date" field blank when uploading the file, but it would be automatically filled in as soon as Commons receives the file and parses its EXIF data. Or perhaps is there a bot which does this already, finding undated images and filling in EXIF data where available? Thanks for any response. --Notyourbroom (talk) 16:26, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't know the answer. Commons:Manipulating meta data does not seem to give an answer. Here are some searches you can try:
--Teratornis (talk) 22:28, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
As far as I am aware this cannot be done. I would presume it will be implemented eventually, but stuff like this can be on long waiting lists (we're talking over 12 months). It all comes down to priority and ease of implementation. OSX (talkcontributions) 02:54, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I'm not actually sure that this is the right thing to do anyway, I have assumed (and this may be incorrect as I haven't seen it documented) that the purpose of the date field, is the date the image was first published, which for self created images, is probably the date uploaded. I know this field is used in various alternate ways by different people :-) --Tony Wills (talk) 08:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I think that User:Dschwen has a bot running that does convert this from time to time, but I don't know the rules. --Foroa (talk) 12:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


Where's Wikimedia's Sandbox? -- Preceding unsigned comment by Man of I-Mages (talk · contribs) at 17:17, 25 March 2009

Hey, Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Man of I-Mages (talk • contribs) 19:08, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

You can also make your own, such as by clicking on this red link: User:Man of I-Mages/Sandbox. --Teratornis (talk) 19:42, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

New user image edits

As a new user I'm blocked from overwriting images, but I'd like to contribute to the Graphic Lab and other images needing editing. So, if the file at File:1950 Auerbach 4 borderless.jpg could replace the file at File:1950 Auerbach 4.jpg (and remove the "remove border" template), that would be great. How long does the new user upload-overwrite-block last? --MidnightLightning (talk) 20:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

See Commons:Autoconfirmed users. --Teratornis (talk) 22:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

BanRay borders

It looks like BanRay (talk) had some run-ins with administration about border use on images (as per the discussion on that user's talk page and the Administrator's noticeboard). And while it seems clear that the Commons goal is to have the images themselves not have borders, and use other Wikitext/CSS to add borders, it looks like some of the files that got borders added and removed (sometimes multiple times) are still set with borders, and have the "remove border" template. It looks like the following images could easily have their border removed by reverting to a prior version:

If some administrator thinks it appropriate to revert those, it would save some graphic artists editing the files again. --MidnightLightning (talk) 21:15, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

I have reverted all of them to the non-border versions and added {{easy-border}} to all the pages. --Yarnalgo (talk) 22:38, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

word document to wikipedia

I want to upload a .doc file format document. How can I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madisonbloke (talk • contribs) 21:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Are you creating an article, or adding to talk, or what else will the .doc cover? Davidt8 (talk) 22:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)Davidt8
w:WP:EIW#Import lists some tools, but be aware that Wikipedia has complex rules for the allowable content (e.g. see w:WP:NOT), so converting the Word document to wikitext may be the least of your difficulties, depending on what's in the .doc file. You should go to the Help desk on the English Wikipedia, describe the content you want to add to Wikipedia, and where you want to add it. The helpers there can give you advice. --Teratornis (talk) 22:19, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Where is Ftira.jpg??

I just uploaded a file called Ftira.jpg

When I search for it in commmons, I don't see it. Is there a waiting period?

File:Ftira.JPG works for me. I think there is a lag in the search though because when I press "search" instead of "go" it doesn't show up yet.-Andrew c (talk) 02:17, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Copyright wait

How long does it usually take to deal with copyright violations that are tagged for speedy deletion around here? - 11:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Since right now the backlog in Category:Copyright violations isn't too big, I'd say a few hours to a day, should not be more than that. Patrícia msg 11:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Filling the "Comment" field

I have altered the image Map_GujDist_All.png in a way that I hope is helpful. My upload seems to have worked, but when I look at File History, I see that the comment associated with my change is {}. I would like to write a few words inside those braces to explain why I changed the image, but I can't find a way to get at that part of the page and edit it. Can anyone help? Maproom (talk) 14:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi, when you reupload your file over another one, you can fill in the “File changes” text field. Diti the penguin 14:26, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
I have uploaded it twice more, and failed to notice a "File changes" field. I am starting from Is there a better way to change an existing file? Maproom (talk) 16:08, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, for example on File:Map GujDist All.png, at the bottom of the history, you have a link “Upload a new version of this file”. :) Diti the penguin 16:53, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. I'll use that next time. Maproom (talk) 17:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

A derivative work of a file from Commons

I have been trying to make a derivative work from an existing file from commons. But the orginal file does not get loaded at all. The infobox says 'pl wait, it is loading'. But it does not happen. Is there a problem with the loading procedure. Kindly elucidate.--Nvvchar (talk) 12:46, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you could tell us the file, and the name of the program you are trying to open it with. --Teratornis (talk) 21:46, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
The upload (third item under Upload file) under derivative work was used. The program mentioned is Luxo "Derivative FX". The file I wish to modify is File:Jaswant thada 02.jpg| --Nvvchar (talk) 05:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately I am not familiar with this program. Are you first downloading the image file to your local disk, and opening it from there, or are you trying to open the image directly from your browser? I think the first method might be more reliable. Note that sometimes a JPG file can have various kinds of corruption that various graphics programs do not like. If you can open the image file in some other program and save it back to disk from there, that might fix the problem so your target program can open the new image file. --Teratornis (talk) 19:56, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Please replace original "Breadcrumb_navigation_in_Nautilus.png‎" with my updated version

Since I'm a rank newbie ( :-) ) I can't directly replace pictures.

Please replace the picture "Breadcrumb_navigation_in_Nautilus.png‎" with my updated version "Breadcrumb_navigation_in_Nautilus(updated).png‎" (removing the "updated" part, of course!)

Description of change:

  1. Added a red-circle around the portion of the image that represents the actual "breadcrumbs" part of the image.

Justification for change:

  1. This particular method of showing breadcrumbs is not exactly intuitive if you've never used Nautilus before (or even if you have).
  2. Helps viewer of the image locate the content described.

License clarification:

  1. There does not seem to be a "topic" under the license page that speaks directly to the "I modified a picture here" issue.
  2. The picture was released by the original author under a GNU license. My own modification should not restrict or alter the license in any way.

Thanks for your help.

Jharris1993 (talk) 16:35, 27 March 2009 (UTC) (<-- updated by adding my "signature")

Patrícia msg 11:50, 26 March 2009 (UTC) (UTC)

Hi Jim, since there's nothing wrong with the first picture, it's not really necessary to save the new version on top of the old one, both can co-exist peacefully on Commons. You can instead change usage (in Wikimedia project pages, such as Wikipedia articles) of the first image for the second. Patrícia msg 11:50, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


I am a bit confused. (but that's not unusual for me anyway)

Hmmmm. . . . OK, let's try this your way. (grin!)

I will go back to my image - keep the pundits happy by (trying to) categorize it, and see if I can do the swap you suggested.

Jharris1993 (talk) 16:35, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Images for discussion

Suppose I have two JPG images for discussion, but I have not uploaded them yet. Is there a place to upload them without making them last forever? Beyond that, how should I name them, and perhaps have a category for them?Davidt8 (talk) 16:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)Davidt8

That's a good question. If there is some reason why you would not want to upload them to Commons, you could upload to another site such as Flickr where (I assume) you maintain control over your account, so you can delete your own uploads if necessary. --Teratornis (talk) 19:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Uploading Logo and screenshot

what is the process of proving the ownership of a logo? can i upload screenshots of public web page? under which license should i upload the screenshot? can someone give a few guidelines? 08:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Commons:Permission. The easiest thing to do is to simply put a statement on your official website that you are releasing the logo under a free license of your choosing. The other option would be to e-mail the OTRS permissions with a declaration statement regarding your ownership of the logo and how you wish to license it. As for screenshots, unless the webpage is licensed freely (not simply "public") the commons cannot accept screenshots. Some Wikipedias, such as, allow for some non-free content under a claim of "fair use", so it may be possible for you to upload a copyrighted webpage's screenshot at other individual Wikimedia projects. -Andrew c (talk) 12:56, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


Ich habe in Wikipedia einen Artikel über Frank La Rocca verfasst und ein Bild von ihm in Wikimedia Commons hochgeladen. Das Bild stammt von seiner Website. Er ist damit einverstanden aber ich weiss absolut nicht, wie ich dafür eine Lizensierung bekomme. Kann mir da jemand behilflich sein? --Reolon (talk) 08:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Hallo Reolon, die Lizenz muss der Rechteinhaber nennen, zur Auswahl steht eine Menge: Commons:Copyright tags. Ich empfehle dir, gezielt nach einer Freigabe unter der empfohlenen {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} zu fragen. Eine kurze Erklärung solltest du dem Befragten mitliefern: Die Freigabe erfolgt für Jeden, nicht nur Wikipedia, zu jedem Zweck einschließlich kommerzieller Nutzung und Bearbeitung des Bildes. Anschließend kannst du das Bild mit der genannten Lizenz hochladen, die Genehmigung bitte an OTRS weiterleiten. Evt. gibt die Erlaubnis auch etwas wie {{Attribution}} her, dafür müsste der Rechteinhaber in seiner Genehmigung ausdrücklich gesagt haben, dass das Bild von Jederman zu jedem Zweck verwendet werden kann. Das kann ich allerdings nicht beurteilen. --Martin H. (talk) 04:28, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


Dear Help Downloaded the below files but decided that I needed to change their names. I could not find out how to do that as I can not find any "Move" button. So I reloaded the files with the correct names. Can you please delete or do some disappearing act with the following: File:Protesters081018-a.JPG File:Protesters081115.JPG File:Protests081122 Katrin Oddsdottir.JPG

Thanks -- OddurBen — Preceding unsigned comment added by OddurBen (talk • contribs) 14:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi OddurBen, I will check the listed images. You did correct with the reupload, but please dont redirect the wrong named files, just upload the file under the correct name and place {{badname|correctname.jpg}} on the bad named image. Regards, --Martin H. (talk) 04:31, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
✓ Done, File:Protesters081018-a.JPG, File:Protesters081115.JPG, File:Protests081122 Katrin Oddsdottir.JPG have been deleted. --Martin H. (talk) 04:35, 28 March 2009 (UTC)


Can somebody please delete this image? It was uploaded by the user to be solely used in an attack page on Wikipedia. Forget it, I'll post on the administrators' noticeboard instead. --Whip it! Now whip it good! 22:09, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

✓ Done, --Martin H. (talk) 17:17, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Permission to use copies of pictures

I am attemting to right a book and I would like to use several pictures from your supply. What licenses or permission do I need? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duane Aaland (talk • contribs) 02:53, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Each picture has individual license information. All should be free to use for any purpose, but you may have to attribute the photographer in your publication or even license your whole publication using the GFDL license. You will probably get the most satisfactory result if you go to the talk page of the owner of each image and tell them what you want to use their image for and the sort of license you need, most are likely to be very accommodating (ps I hope you use a spell checker when writing your book ;-) --Tony Wills (talk) 08:39, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello Duane... depending on the photographer it might be easy to get special permission to use the photo without anything more then a copy of the book and credit without needing to deal with special licenses. J.smith (talk) 02:37, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Bilder vom Eisbrecher Stephan Jantzen


ich habe per Mailkontakt eine Menge Fotos des Eisbrechers STEPHAN JANTZEN (de:Stephan Jantzen (Eisbrecher) zur freien Verwendung und zum Hochladen in die Commons erhalten. Es handelt sich vor allem um Fotos der Einrichtung (Maschine, Kabine, etc.), Fotos von außen habe ich selbst.

Die Fotos wurden von einem Broker der den Eisbrecher zum Verkauf anbietenden US-Firma Fraser Yachts Florida Inc., 1800 Southeast 10th Avenue, Suite 400, Ft. Lauderdale, Florida 33316 USA, gefertigt. Der Mitarbeiter dort schrieb mir per Mail, dass die Fotos in den Commons verwendet werden dürfen, die Lizenz ist ihm bekannt, genannt werden soll als Urheber seine Firma. Den Text der Mail kann ich gern übersenden.

Und nun die spannende Frage: Wie darf ich die Fotos hochladen?

--Klugschnacker (talk) 16:16, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Die Frage lässt sich in 2 Richtungen interpretieren, daher:
  1. Suchst du nach einer technischen Lösung die Bilder möglichst effizient hochzuladen? Welche Anzahl liegt dir denn vor und in welchem Zustand sind die Bilder bezüglich individueller Beschreibung, Datum, unterschiedlicher Autoren, etc.?
  2. Ist dir die genaue Lizenz nicht bekannt? Eine (schriftliche) Erlaubnis, dass die Bilder von Jedem zu jedem Zweck verwendet werden können unter Angabe des Autors würde ich als {{Attribution}} interpretieren. Deine Formulierung in den Commons ist missverständlich, die Erlaubnis muss natürlich unbeschränkt sein.
--Martin H. (talk) 16:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Ergänzung: Mit dem Upload die Mail bitte an COM:OTRS weiterleiten und die Bilder zusätzlich mit dem Template {{PermissionOTRS|id=200903.....}} versehen. Die ID ist die Ticketnummer. --Martin H. (talk) 16:53, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Vielen Dank! --Klugschnacker (talk) 21:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Map of world with Mexican states

Is there a map of the world that has the states/provinces of North America outlined? I've looked and looked and looked; I can't find any. I don't think I could create my own. I would like to make several maps of the world with individual American states (but not Mexican and/or Canadian) ones more accurate. Magog the Ogre (talk) 06:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

There is File:North America second level political division 2 and Greenland.svg of just N. America, and one of File:South america98.svg S. America. Does not appear to be one with subdivisions for Category:Maps of Central America though. Not sure if this is what you are looking for or not. Have you checked out the categories and Atlas pages?-Andrew c (talk) 13:04, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I have. I'm looking for a world image with Mexican subdivisions. It probably will not exist. Specifically, I'm unhappy with File:Age of Consent.png, which makes it look like the age of consent is 12 for all Mexico. Magog the Ogre (talk) 07:44, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
We have File:BlankMap-World-Subdivisions.PNG, which includes subdivisions of Mexico, Canada, the USA and a bunch of other countries. It doesn't seem to exist as svg though. Pruneautalk 08:12, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Picture display in Wikipedia from Commons

I have uploaded 4 pictures and have edited them into “Hilaire Belloc” in Wikipedia. The first picture will not display whatever I try, (the next 3 always do). The frame, file name and title are displayed but not the picture. As a result of my trials I now have two additional duplicates of the same picture and cannot find a way of deleting them. Questions: How do I get the first picture to display? How do I delete the duplicates? Mike —Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeBarnes (talk • contribs) 12:29, March 28, 2009 (UTC)

File extensions are case sensitive, therefore File:Belloc 1.jpg and File:Belloc 1.JPG are different. To request the deletion of the duplicates you would use {{bad name}} (as you are the uploader) using the syntax {{bad name|other image.jpg}}; i.e. edit the image page and add {{bad name|Belloc Churchyard.JPG}} to it. This notifies the reviewing administrator that the image with this template placed on it is a duplicate of the stated image and can be deleted. For more information, see the instructions on the linked template above. Nanonic (talk) 01:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! The wonders of modern science and technology! (MikeBarnes (talk))

How do you upload a picture?

how to upload photo in wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prashant patil 1982 (talk • contribs) 13:06, March 28, 2009 (UTC)

Your best bet would be to click on the upload link and follow the instructions on the page. --J.smith (talk) 02:12, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Some JavaScript incompatible with anonymous Konqueror users?

When I look at File:Peter-gabriel-quadriga-rr.jpg using Konqueror 4.2.1 while logged out, I get a "ReferenceError: Can't find variable: addToolLink" where usually the sitenotice is. With Firefox 3.0.7 logged out, no message is displayed, and with Konqueror logged in, the sitenotice (CfP Wikimania 2009) is shown. Maybe anyone has some deeper insight into this stuff? --Tim Landscheidt (talk) 17:15, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting this. The problem also existed on Safari 3.2.2 (Webkit 525.28.1) and seems to be related to a load-order problem. It should be fixed now. Lupo 07:22, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

How to get a translated version of questions

Reference: Previous question titled "Bilder vom Eisbrecher Stephan Jantzen"

Assume that:

  1. I do not speak German.
  2. By the look of it, this question might be interesting to me.

Question: Is it possible to see a "translated" view of this question?


  • I am NOT criticizing our German brethren.
  • Neither am I suggesting everyone speak English.

In fact, this question could be asked from the point of view of someone who does not speak English, (someone from Russia, France, Germany, etc.), who sees what they think might be of interest to them.

Since there is a wide range of languages used - how can we make sure that a potentially useful question that *I* ask (in English) is understandable by others? And vice-versa.

Jharris1993 (talk) 16:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Google language tools generally works pretty well if you are familiar enough with the technical content of the message to interpret the machine translation goofs:
I've even tried to answer questions posed in languages I don't read, with mixed results. --Teratornis (talk) 18:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Because Help desk questions tend to be repetitive to some degree, even reading only the English questions will cover a lot of issues. There might be some issues that only come up in the non-English questions, but even if so, the English questions will provide a lot. Most of the questions are in English anyway, which means most of the issues will be covered in English. See also: Commons:Help desk/Archives. --Teratornis (talk) 19:49, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Derivative works

Hi! Hopefully a quick and easy question: I have a derivative work from two PD images (PD in both the source country, Australia, and the US) which aren't on commons. They were two separate images of a scene in 1937 which I've stitched to produce a panorama. Is it appropriate to upload, and, if so, are there any suggestions as to license? - Bilby (talk) 13:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I think so. But you should credit authors/sources of both images in description. Will be good idea to keep result image in PD. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:43, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
I would recommend uploading both the source images and then upload your panorama. J.smith (talk) 16:08, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Thankyou. :) - Bilby (talk) 23:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Use of images from local government web site

I have two photographs from a local government web site that I'd like to upload to Commons and use in Wikipedia. I have asked permission of the agency that owns the site; an employee of that agency replied in an email that the photos are free to use. What steps do I need to assert proper license to upload these images? Thanks, Jim Ward (talk) 21:53, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Make sure, that the images are free for every reuse by everone, including commercial reuse and the creation of derivative works based on this images. This is not a trivial thing, many images are free for commercial use but editing the image aside from correction is often restricted. The license depends on their answer and the conditions they agree to:
  • if they release all rights the image is {{PD-author}},
  • if they reserve copyright but permit free use by everyone for every purpose without any conditions the image is {{copyrighted free use}},
  • if the usage requires attribution the image is {{attribution}}.
Its preferd to ask directly for a free license like cc-by-sa-3.0. Upload the image with the license template affirmed by the holder of copyrights and forward the written permission to OTRS. Please write the filename in you forwarded email to OTRS. --Martin H. (talk) 22:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, Martin -- Will do. Jim Ward (talk·stalk) 23:38, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Help (again)...

I have a homemade file I want to submit but it keeps on being rejected by my upload form. Why is that happening? --NYC43 (talk) 01:16, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

What's the error message, and what type of file are you trying to upload? Only certain file types are allowed. See this list of file types. --rimshottalk 11:29, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Loading Images and Writing a new Value

Hi I am from Israeli Wiki

I wonder if one can help me to create values I wrote in Hebrew on Israeli Wiki in here.

Appreciate your help.

Here are the links

All docs are from my late father estate


Av —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fttxguru (talk • contribs) 22:53, March 30, 2009 (UTC)