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What's the general preference on cropping photographs? I have a photograph with lots of extra background that probably isn't needed. Assuming the extra bits of the photo do not detract from the photo, what should I do?

  • upload the original photo
  • crop the photo and upload it
  • upload the original, crop the excess, and replace the original (so the original is in the history)

If I do crop the photo, what should I do about the EXIF data?

  • keep the original metadata, including the original thumbnail
  • keep the original metadata, but update the thumbnail
  • remove the metadata and the thumbnail all together

TheMuuj Talk 00:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

File revisions are kept by MediaWiki. It's like a file history. It's best to always upload the original first (unless it is a truly hideous size), then upload the crop over the top it, explaining what you're doing in the file summary. (Your account has to be > 4 days old to do this.) I don't know about EXIF data. Doesn't it update automatically, or something? :) This might be useful: Commons:Manipulating meta data --pfctdayelise (translate?) 05:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
That's what I went ahead and did (see CocaCola Blāk.jpeg). That way, if somebody wants the original image (in case, for example, they think they can do a better job cropping it), then it's there. But, as far as I know, you cannot reference an old version of an image anywhere, so if somebody needed to embed the full-one (for whatever reason), they'd have to upload a forked copy. No big deal, I suppose, as this is all hypothetical and not likely to happen. The program I used to edit the original does not change the EXIF data when saving. The modified timestamp, image size, and even the thumbnail still reflect all of the information of the original image. It's too much work to change the EXIF data, and some of it is still useful. —TheMuuj Talk 00:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
They can't include it in an article, no, but if they want to work on it, it's there. If you think someone might indeed want to use it, then "fork" your crop - we don't discourage that. pfctdayelise (translate?) 01:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I think the most important thing is having the original version somewhere on Commons available to everyone. I went with the uploading-over-the original method with some of my photos. ~MDD4696 01:20, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Translation request[edit]

I'd like to have a list of edit summaries which are equivalent to the English "replacing duplicate [[Commons:]] image" for dealing with duplicate deletions.--Nilfanion 20:59, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Nederlands: vervanging duplicaat van [[Commons:]]-afbeelding
There's number one. I don't think such a list exists jet, maybe you could set up something like User:Nilfanion/Duplicate removal translations, and ask all admins on the COM:AN, or spam their talk pages? NielsF 22:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I've set up the user subpage - it seems a good idea.--Nilfanion 22:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Image tag replacement[edit]

Could someone operating a bot replace the tag {{Copyrighted_free_use_provided_that}} with {{Attribution Entomart}} for all the images in Category:Entomart?. There are 476 images. The author of the images has changed the Commons incompatible notification on use requirement to a request. --Para 06:49, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

You might have better luck posting at Commons:Bots or ask User:Orgullomoore directly. pfctdayelise (translate?) 07:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:BassReeves.jpg - public domain licensing[edit]

Hi, I was advised on wikipedia that the above image would be in the public domain because the subject died in 1910 so it can be assumed the photo was published before 1923 in the US. However I see that here you're a bit stricter about when and where the image was published. So two questions:

  • Is it OK to have the image without knowing exactly when and where it was first published?
  • And if so, which of the public domain "licenses" do I choose? None of them seem to be for a pre-1923 image.

Thanks -- SiobhanHansa 14:45, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

If it was first published in the US, then the PD-US tag is OK. Just write on there "Subject died in 1910" or something similar, so other readers can figure out why you think this is right.
If it was first published elsewhere, then we are concerned mostly with the date of the death of the photographer, not the subject. If the author died before 1936, then {{PD-old}} is appropriate. pfctdayelise (translate?) 06:41, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:Huddersfield Railway Station.jpg[edit]

This image is way too dark. I want to upload a corrected version but my account is 'too new'. I have a well established Wikipedia account - can anyone help, please? BlueValour 21:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Commons is a different project, so you're automatically marked as a new user. Option 1: you wait 4 days; option 2: upload it under a different name, provide a link and a request to move it here and someone else will replace it for you. Cheers, NielsF 22:10, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Smaller file size[edit]

A photo of a flower compressed with successively more lossy compression ratios from left to right.

I'm afraid I'm asking for technical help here. I'm now learning how to clean up my images using Seashore. However, when I save them through Seashore, the file size shrinks from around 740 kB to around 440 kB. The one I have re-uploaded (Image:Victoria Falls, chasm.jpg) does not seem to have lost resolution (I re-downloaded, zoomed and compared it to the original scan). So is something being lost or is Seashore just saving the files more compactly? Cheers if anyone can advise on this... JackyR 22:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

There is likely some setting somewhere about level of JPG compression. What level do you have it at? (I don't know what a good level is, but likely someone else does...) --pfctdayelise (translate?) 02:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
JPG uses is a lossy data compression method - smaller file size is achieved by reducing the images quality (see the example on the right). For commons, it's advisable to use high quality images, preferably unaltered after creation, to allow reuse without loss. Only if the unaltered image is too large for mediawiki to handle right (there are time and memory limits for thumbnailing), upload a scaled down (but still high quality) version over the original file.
Note that in some cases, there are ways to reduce the file size without loss - JPEG can for example contain pre-computed thumbnail images, which can be removed without altering the image itself. It's important though to use a tool that leaves the original image data untouched (no re-encoding) - jhead for example. But I can't really think of a good reason to do that. The original file is hardly ever served to the webbrowsers anyway, since mostly automatically generated thumbnails are used, even on the image description page. -- Duesentrieb(?!) 10:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks for all that: I shall find out about settings. Also, having slept on it, I realise that this is probably not a major issue for most of my material, as scans from standard size prints are not that high-resolution to begin with. JackyR 11:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Appropriate licensing tag?[edit]

Someone on the english wiki said that this image Image:Noguchi Franklin.png should have this license: w:Template:Statue, and that my photo was not free. Thoughts? Comments? --Evrik 20:27, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid that is correct. A Photograph showing artwork (such as a sculpure) can not be published or license without the original artist having a say, since it is derivative work of the sculpure. Some contries have an exception for things permanently installed in public - in the US however that exception does not extend to sculpures and other works of fine art (it only applies to buildings, afaik). -- Duesentrieb(?!) 20:44, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

So, does this mean I should remove the work from the commons and place it on the en version only? What about the other images in this category, Category:Isamu_Noguchi? They come from three different countries, but are all by the smae artist. --Evrik 15:03, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Uploading and resizing image[edit]

I uploaded Image:Tectonic Map of Grawler Craton.gif but do not know how to resize it from the full-page Download high resolution version (1084x1415, 62 KB) to a thumb to use on the article. The website states, "Please feel free to copy and use this brief review of the Gawler Craton and the following map generated by Geosurveys Australia Pty Ltd.," so I believe that I do not have to worry about copyright violation. Also, how do I convert a .bmp image to upload? Thanks.Valich 21:32, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

You could use [[Image:Tectonic Map of Grawler Craton.gif|thumb|Description]].
Terms of use is not clear. They are not mention modification and redistribution. So this could violate Commons:Licensing.
EugeneZelenko 15:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

I've tried that already: doesn't work. This is a full-page .gif image that only uploads as a link: Can't resize it?Valich 01:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

picture hessensteinska huset[edit]

I loaded a picture to illustrate the article about Hessensteinska palatset but I do not know how to place it in the article.

Thankfully Alexandru

You could use [[Image:<Name>|thumb|Description]] or <gallery></gallery> tags. See en:Wikipedia:Images for more details. --EugeneZelenko 15:05, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Picture obtained from a movie screen capture[edit]

Dear Wiki people,

I have a photograph of an actor that I would like to include in a Wiki article about him. This photo was obtained from a movie screenshot/capture. Can I upload it and feature it in the Wiki article? If yes, under what conditions? How should I fill out the Wiki media copyright form? Cheers. Splashprince 13:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

You can't upload this image on Commons (see Commons:Licensing) if movie is copyrighted. You could upload this to Wikipedias, which allow copyrighted images (English Wikipedia have special tag en:Template:film-screenshot for that purpose). --EugeneZelenko 15:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Please help identify this plant[edit]

I've uploaded an image that I am currently calling "Image:Plant.jpg" Could someone please tell me what it really is? I found it in the Florida Everglades. --Munchkinguy 22:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Just add this image to Category:Unidentified plants and watch image. Please be patient, botanists may not be available immediately :-) --EugeneZelenko 15:00, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Don't be surprised if it gets overwritten while you're waiting. "Plant.jpg" is a terrible name! At least you could have called it "Plant found on DD/MM/YY" or "Plant found in X location". pfctdayelise (translate?) 02:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikisource book images[edit]

I'm planning to add an out-of-copyright mathematics textbook (original U.S. copyright 1911) to Wikisource. The book is replete with many small images, and it was suggested on Wikisource that these be placed on the Commons. So my thought is to create a sub-category somewhere under the mathematics category tree specifically for images out of the book. (Perhaps under a "calculus" sub-category?) To name the images I was going to use a common prefix, followed by a section number/image number. Does this approach make sense, or is there a better method you could suggest? I don't want the images to get replaced, deleted or renamed as it would mar the book. So I'd like to get this worked out in advance, if possible. Thank you! — RJHall 14:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

I could recommend to include small description to image name which reflect contents (especially if you'll create full description). It'll be easier to add these images to topic (derivatives, integrals, complex analysis and so on) categories. --EugeneZelenko 15:07, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay I can make the name more descriptive, but I'll still need to include a unique prefix and possibly an identifier in order to avoid overwrites. That might make it a little long. — RJHall 19:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
If you want to see some precedents, look at Category:De Wikisource book. It´s customary at German Wikisource to upload scans of whole books here. I myself made Category:Finck Die araner mundart. Angr 19:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Perfect, I'll put the scanned images in a sub-category under Category:wikisource. I'm going to include the front and back of the title page for copyright verification as well. Thanks! — RJHall 14:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

how to comfortably list all files in a directory?[edit]

hello, subject says it all, I would need this now and then, is there a special page or tool for it in Commons or outside? -- Ayacop 08:56, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Probably the easiest way is to use CatScan (example - all pages [incl. images, subcats, everything] in category:Australia - depth 1). And then just filter out everything that doesn't start with Image:. Better than wiki pages, it lists all contents - not just the first 200. pfctdayelise (translate?) 09:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Image move request[edit]

Hi, could an admin please move Image:Divisor-fixed.svg to Image:Divisor.svg? The second image has a bug in it, as discussed at en:talk:divisor function. I created both images but my account here is too new to allow me to perform the move.

Also, please move Image:sigma function-fixed.svg to Image:Sigma function.svg. Linas 03:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

images overwritten and temporary ones marked as "badname". paulatz 07:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Working on a page[edit]

I am wondering, I wanted to start a complete and extensive flowchart representing the legal system and every path, option and possibility in which the system can lead depending on the situation. With this site is their accesability to a flow chart or would that be my responsability to get and then post. If that was the situation how would others ad to it without that program. Thanks Mike Z.

Community editing of images is much more difficult that community editing of text (we don't have a graphics wiki; really no-one does). What you can do is to use the SVG structured file format (rather than a PNG or JPG or the file format of some proprietary flowcharting program). There are lots of free editors for SVG, so if you upload SVG then someone else can change it (or make an international version of it, fix typos, improve graphics, etc.). Personally I strongly recommend Inkscape for this job. -- Finlay McWalter 19:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Move image[edit]

Please move the image Image:Death Penalty World Map5.png to Image:Death Penalty World Map.png. I fixed a number of incorrectly-colored countries. Also, there really should be a system for crossing over user accounts. I'm too "new" to upload on Commons, although I've been on WP for a year-and-a-half. Dbinder 22:04, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Done. --EugeneZelenko 15:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


Are billboards as publicly displayed images in the public domain? The reason why i am asking is because of the illustrations for a contemporary artist (now dead) whose article could be valluably illustrated by the beautiful billboards (affiche in french) which he produced. But I do not want to upload any before knowing the answer. PS: in case the info is pertinent, I am talking about a czechoslovak born artist who lived and created in France, Jiří Kolár. Thanks!... --Diligent 16:24, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Replacing PD-User upload[edit]

With a straightened and brightened version.

As I am new to Commons I require assistance making the swap.

Original: Univeral Studios Hollywood.jpg by user Sarge Baldy.

Modified: Univeral Studios Hollywood adj.jpg

Thank you. Jeffreykopp 11:49, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Removing a file[edit]

Hi, I have uploaded some picture into the Commons and I would like to remove as I am about to undertake a project that I might need to copyright the pictures. Please advise me how I can remove my pictures. Thank you very much.--Axam 01:28, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

You still have copyright over any image you've created. Releasing it under a free license doesn't change that. You can't "undo" the act of releasing them under free licenses, however. (But also, you don't need to tell everyone else that you've done this.) pfctdayelise (说什么?) 02:02, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I know, but I need to remove them, please advise. Thank you!!!!--Axam 02:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
They can only be deleted by an administrator (I am one). There is a process to nominate images for deletion - COM:DEL - but you will need to explain why you want them deleted. Some people may not accept the reason simply that "you want them to be deleted". Can you explain a bit more why they need to be removed? They are images that you created, right? pfctdayelise (说什么?) 03:47, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, thank you for responding. We wanted to start a project for the Iranian diaspora. We didn't know how to begin so someone suggested Wikipedia. Now, we are writing and preparing a book and it requires, among others, for the pictures to be copyrighted. So now I have a little dilema, I have already posted these pictures. So, once we have made sure the pictures are copyrighted correctly, we might even post them back in the future. But for now, I would greatly appreciate if you could delete them so we can go forward with this process. I apologize for any incovenience. Thank you very much. -- 13:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Please be more specific with your language. If you are the photographer that actually took the pictures you uploaded, you still retain your copyright. The fact that you uploaded your images here under a free license does not change the fact that you are the copyright holder. However, the specific licenses you uploaded them here under, {{CopyrightedFreeUse}}/{{PD-self}}, means that you have granted anyone the permission to use your images "for any purpose including unrestricted redistribution, commercial use, and modification." I do not believe this is reversible. Once you've said that anyone can use your images for any purpose, you cannot simply retract the statement to prevent people from using them.
You can still register your work with the U.S. copyright office; they will accept registration for both published and unpublished works. This isn't really necessary since published works are automatically copyrighted, but it may be useful if you need to prove that you own the copyright to your image.
Does your publisher have some restriction on the images you are using in the book? If the publisher is only concerned about being able to use your images, there should be no problem—anyone can use your images for anything with no problem. But if your publisher requires an exclusive license to publish your images, then something needs to be done. Perhaps you can discuss the issue furthur with your publisher. There aren't any set policies (as of yet) for handling cases like these, so it may be possible to make an exception for you.
If worse comes to worse, you can simply retake the photos. None of them are of one-time events, so you should be able to obtain equivalent images that you can retain exclusive rights to. ~MDD4696 14:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


Honestly: I stopped reading the discussion on Italian licensing after having read about one third of it. There still is no {{PD-Coa-Italy}} or anything like it. Therefore: I took the coat of arms of the city of Riesi (CL) from the Italian Wikipedia. I put it in the Commons and inserted it in the German article. I put {{PD-Coa}}. Is that okay? Thanks in advance, Gnom 09:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

(I had posted this question in the license talk page, where I was sent by the IRC channel users. Nobody replied in that thread, so now I am posting here, sent by a "please note" tag at the beginning of the license talk page. -- Gnom 09:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC))

Where did I fail? Why is there nobody to answer my question?

You didn't fail. You asked a hard question and the few volunteers that look over this page (myself included) are obviously having a hard time knowing what the answer is.
I still don't know. So I guess, leave it for the moment and in the future we will find out if it is ok or not. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 14:50, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Makes me happy! :-) Thanks. Gnom 20:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Mobile phone images[edit]

Are there any specific rules for mobile phone images? If I were to upload one, would it have to look as though it's switched off? I only ask because most of the images of phones I have seen show the mobile phone switched off or with nothing on the screen, and I was wondering if this was because of some licensing issues or possibly a fair use thing. J Di 12:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I think privacy and Commons:Licensing#Screenshots are main concerns in this case. --EugeneZelenko 14:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
In that case, I don't think I would be able to upload a photo with anything on the screen. Thanks. J Di 14:44, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Please move image[edit]

from Image:Senator Harry Truman 1940.jpg to Image:Senator Harry Truman.jpg

That's the same image larger and uncropped. The previous upload couldn't locate the exact source, so I did. TransUtopian 14:11, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Done. --EugeneZelenko 14:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Thank you. TransUtopian 19:06, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Please move[edit]

Please delete Image:Public_transportation_traffic_lights_in_NL_and_BE.svg and rename Image:Public_transportation_traffic_lights_in_NL_and_BE_2.svg to Image:Public_transportation_traffic_lights_in_NL_and_BE.svg

Juerd 21:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Done. --EugeneZelenko 14:42, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Question about swiss banknotes[edit]

Hi. I recently uploaded an image of a 10-franc swiss banknote on Wikipedia (for the Leonhard Euler article). All swiss banknotes in commons have a tag explaining that they are, by swiss law, free of copyright. I actually have three questions:

  1. Should I bother uploading it also to Commons?
  2. Is the copyright template for swiss banknotes also available on Wikipedia? (I could not find it and left some explanation referencing Commons)
  3. More tricky: I took the image from the Swiss central bank page, again this is where the other Commons images come from. However, this web page has high resolution images which are much nicer. Since the banknotes are not copyrighted, is it fair game to copy these images to Wikipedia or Commons?

Thanks for your help. Pascal.Tesson 04:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Please move[edit]

Image:Area code 510 correct.png to Image:Area code 510.png. Thanks, Argyriou 05:20, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Done. --EugeneZelenko 14:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Coat of arms and badge of military unit[edit]

Hi, I am working on an article about a military unit in the German army. In wikimedia commons I have not come across any availbale images of the coat of arms and the badge of this particular unit. Whilst surfing the net I did find some examples which I could upload and then use in my article. My question is as to whether I need a permission to use these images or not, particlularly since these symbols have been use for about 50 years and are more or less equvalent to coat of arms etc. of states

Cheers Ekki01 18:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Ohmigosh, there are some things I don't get. Why are there articles for every single stop of every subway system in the world? And why do people create articles on single units of armed forces? Wikipedia is a strange, yet fun place... Gnom 20:12, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

svg rendering[edit]

If I reupload the Image:Jonone_form_Pseudojonone.svg I can see it once but afterwards it won't be displayed...What's the problem? --Andel 20:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

You mean the new version of the image won't display? Hit Ctrl + Refresh a bunch of times. It's just the software is slow to produce the new thumbnail sometimes. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 02:41, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

How do I find what I want?[edit]

One of the suggestions in Search tips was to find a picture in a Wikipedia article in the same category and get ideas from that. But I have found pictures and that does not give a clue as to where it is located here. How can I tell from clicking on a picture in a Wikipedia article what category that picture is in? (In this case I am looking for rivers in India. WhoNose 22:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

How about Category:Rivers of India? pfctdayelise (说什么?) 02:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Login bad password[edit]

I can't login. I use the same password for all the wikimedia projects. I tried the email password option but got nothing. If I try to create the account I get "Login error: Username entered already in use. Please choose a different name."

Did I have an old email address on this account maybe? -- 10:43, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

So is your username already registered? Check Special:Listusers. You know your account at other wikis won't automatically work here, right? You have to sign up separately, unfortunately. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 11:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Trouble uploading pictures[edit]

I tried to upload two photos today, yet I got an error message when uploading and the images in question turn up blank: What did I do wrong? The files work fine on my harddisk. --Robotriot 15:20, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

It seems like there was a temporary bug in the upload software. It appears to be working OK again now - upload again.--Nilfanion 15:38, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, it worked now! --Robotriot 15:54, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Please move > Image: Form_of_government.png[edit]

I have uploaded Image:Form_of_government_09212006.png to reflect the change to Thailand's status after the coup. Can someone copy this image over to overwrite the old Image:Form_of_government.png? Note that Thailand is coloured with both red and olive because the military junta is in power while the constitutional monarchy is being kept intact (although without a constitution).-- Aviageek 21:06 Sep 21 2006 (UTC)

Done. --EugeneZelenko 14:32, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


The metadata is not showing up on some recent photos I uploaded. Where I can I find out more about how and hwy this information is added? What am I doing wrong? -Wisekwai 09:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Many image programs remove the meta-data when you save the image. / Fred Chess 09:58, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks. I did do some editing in Photoshop before I uploaded many of the files. -Wisekwai 10:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

FPC Image[edit]

I want to resubmint this image: Image:ErcinaLakeHorse.jpg to FPC because it has been recently considered a Quality image, but it seems like I'm too much idiot to do so. Could someone do it? Thanks a million. Francisco M. Marzoa 14:06, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

New name[edit]

I need this file (Image:Subway Denotation (Rush Hours In the Peak Direction.gif) to be moved to this new title (Image:Subway Denotation (Rush Hours In the Peak Direction).gif). Notice that in the current one, there is no bracket after direction, which needs to be done. I can't do it because I am too new and the upload warning told me to go here. Thanks. --Imdanumber1 23:08, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I see you did it yourself. I did however delete the incorrectly named image. / Fred Chess 10:00, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

rights to use Wikimedia reproductions in a book !!?[edit]


I am sorry if that seems obvious... having read all doc I could find here about it, it seems self evident that I could use wikimedia's reproductions where I want and for what I want.

I'm busy publishing a series of adventures for kids, and, since the story is taking place at the Renaissance, close to Leonardo, it seemed logical to use some of Leonardo's paintings and drawings to illustrate it. And so, having found some of those drawings and paintings at Wikimedia under Commons, I decided, by pure civility and politness, to email for instance Windsor Library, since I wish to include there address as the place where the readers could go to see the originals and lot of other similar paintings too.

Seems that

  1. Windsor Library has never heard of Creative Commons, nor Wikimedia (I gave them the urls!). and,
  2. they ask me to pay a fee (few tens of $) for publishing those reproductions... saying that anyway, nobody but them has the rights to give or sale photos of those paintings! (I've got all the correspondance at your disposal, if you'd so wish).

My last answer to them, was that I need a bit of time to fully understand all that, not wanting anyway to be against copyright laws, but also not to be mislaid only because they may ignore later developements on those laws.

So, I would be very thankful if you could advise me, or, at least explain a bit what is the matter there, since my publishing of those books (5 volumes) has already been retarded because of that, since last April, and that because of it, a signature day proposed by the Museum Leonardo da Vinci at Clos-Lucé (Amboise), will have to wait now, till the next touristic season!

I may add that, I've got similar problems with Ambrosiana Library in Italy, they also are pretending that I need to pay some fees to them, since they are the owners of the works.

I'm looking forward to read your answer, from what I am thanking you in advance.

Jean-Claude Féret

Please tell us exactly which images you are talking about. Images names or links. Until you tell us that, we can't help very much. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 14:12, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Also do you have a username in any Wikimedia wiki? It would be easier to contact you if you mentioned it... --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 14:30, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I want to use commons images for my mediawiki[edit]

I installed mediawiki. wow! Excellent!!

I love wikipedia, and...:)...yesterday, I format all windows XP, and installed Fedora Core 5 and mediawiki...:))))

But, I can use Commons images to my mediawiki...:(

If I set my ‘’LocalSettings.php‘’ file properly, I use Commons images!! WoW!!! I use 800,000 Commons files!! :))))

But...All setting process is not so difficult. Fedora Core 5 install is so easier than 5 years ago.

But...‘’LocalSettings.php‘’ setting is SO DIFFICULT!


Do you have or know the properly working LocalSettings.php file? HELP!!!

-- WonYong (talk) 11:40, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

What you are talking about is m:InstantCommons. AFAIK it's still being coded, so you will have to wait a bit longer.
I agree, Localsettings is kinda hard to set up. But you're asking for help in the wrong place. Try meta: and . pfctdayelise (说什么?) 14:15, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Right to use C.Commons reproductions from Wikimedia in books !!?[edit]

Hi, thanks for unswering, I'm not quite shure if I had to continue and edit the previous post or start a new one, so, if it is wrong, please, tell me. Sorry, I didn't realised That I started Wikipedia with a username then it is: "Dsoslglece"... it was quite a few months ago, around March April, when I did contribute to some articles in music, about Eugène Ysaÿe. For the paintings and drawings in question, They all come from wikimedia under Leonardo da Vinci, where there is a whole collection of his works and details of it. The ones I'd like to use are :

  • 1 Auto portrait (one of them, which are probably not auto portrait, but his oncle

" 2 Annunciation(detail)

  • 3 project for a big arbalete
  • 4 Design for a flying machine
  • 5 Grotesque head
  • 6 Grotesque heads

I may wish to use some more in the future, but, actually, the principal arguing about, comes from Windsor Library about the drawings from their collection (5 & 6), and with Ambrosiana, about 3 & 4. But the important thing is only to know what is allowed to do with any of those reproductions from Wikimédia under C. Commons copyrights. Then, whenever I need to use ONE OF THEM, I know what I can do with it without breaking any law. I did follow the link you indicated to me, I may be dumb, but couldn't make out, anything I could use it for apart of documentation... so excuse me.

I didn't send you any links. I need to know the exact file names. Just copy and paste the URL into this box. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 19:39, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Being drawings and paintings, the files probably contain the {{PD-Art}} tag, which in turn refers to the Bridgeman v. Corel case of exact photographic copies of public domain images not being copyrightable according to US and UK law. As User:Eloquence said[1] related to the York Project (which also contains some photos of paintings currently in the Windsor Library), "I'm sure eventually someone will claim that they own the copyright to a public domain work of art here on Commons, but Jimbo has always said that he is prepared to go to court to defend the right to distribute art in the public domain. The attempt to re-copyright it through reproduction copyrights is pure piracy, and we should stand united against it." Would be interesting to hear from French precedents though. --Para 21:20, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

AVI files[edit]

I have a video in AVI format. Is it possible to upload it and let someone else do the conversion to a "politically correct" format? Andjam 00:33, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

If the video otherwise meets our licensing requirements, I will gladly transcode it and upload it for you. Just email it to Thanks. --Gmaxwell 19:30, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


I own a painting by the Russian artist Anatoli Kaplan (d. Leningrad 1980). Under what copyright procedure (if any) can I upload a photograph of this picture (or of part of it)to Wikipedia Commons? --Smerus 08:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

You can't upload such image on Commons. Terms of copyrights protection in Russia is 70 years after author death. However you could upload this image to project which accepts fair use images. --EugeneZelenko 14:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks--Smerus 06:51, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Two questions[edit]

When I upload a file, how do I use one of the existing templates for things in the public domain? This came up recently when I tried to upload this image of a stamp. The template is not part of the dropdown menu, so what exactly should I do? Another question on that file. I am assuming that since this stamp is in the public domain then any image I can find of it is also in the public domain and can be uploaded here. Is that a correct assumption? Thanks for your help. Pascal.Tesson 05:58, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

If the licence tag you need is not in the dropdown menu, you can write it manually in the description field. A list of tags can be found here: Commons:License tags.
If an image is in the public domain, a reproduction is in in public domain, as well, see en:Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp.. --Matt314 15:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Can someone help me delete items of a category?[edit]

Hi, I'm Naftaly-Direct, a Wiki user on the English and the Hebrew versions of Wikipedia.

My Freind, Avi Kedmi (That's the English way to pronounce his nick, because I'm not sure you can read the Hebrew letters of "אבי קדמי") upload some great pics of Maccabi Tel Aviv basketball team, but he wishes to delete 7 pics of Pini Gershon (former coach of Maccabi) in order to upload them with new names.

Avi asked me to deliver this massage for him, because he is a Hebrew user, and He liked me to write it for him in English.

This is the link to his category:

The Pics in subj are the 7 pics which named with "pini" at the begining.

I would be happy to answer any questions regards this issue, Via my accounts on the Eng And Heb Wiki, in the My talk page.

thanks, ND.

ND There are several ways to handle this. If you feel these qualify for speedy deletion, and since they were uploaded only two days ago, I don't see the issue, you can tag them as "speedy" like my example here. I reversed that edit, but you can use whatever justification you feel necessary to delete. Let me know when you've labeled.
If some time has passed, the admins are generally reluctant to accept speedy deletion on images that have been released. You can list the item at Commons:Deletion requests at that time to see if it merits removal from Commons. I hope this helped! Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 14:08, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Forgotten password[edit]

I must be an FAQ, but I can't find it. I created the account user:White Knight a few weeks ago, but evidently did not use the password I thought I had (or any other of my usual passwords). I did not give an e-mail address. Is there any way to recover it? -- 13:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC) (user talk:White Knight)

I don't think so. Maybe you will recover the account when we get single user login? pfctdayelise (说什么?) 13:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

How about deleting so I can recreate it?[edit]

Alternatively, could an adminstrator delete the account "White Knight" so that I can recreate it. If this means uploading the three pics again, then I am ok with that. -- 19:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC) (user talk:White Knight)

Renaming a picture[edit]

Is there a way to rename / move a picture (As in Wikipedia)? Seems as Avi Kedmi actually wanted to rename Image:Pini-5005.JPG as Image:Pini101.JPG and such, and intend to upload the rest of the pictures in 'proper name'...
Best regards, Yuval Y 18:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Pictures cannot be moved at the moment, see here. To rename an image it is necessary to reupload the file. --Matt314 10:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh well, I've noticed the same in the wikipedia too... Yuval Y 22:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Mess with the Koch Snowflake[edit]

Hi, this is the first time I uploaded something to the commons, so forgive me. I noticed that there was no SVG version of Image:Flocke.PNG, so I wrote a small script to generate versions for all iterations from 0 to 7 and uploaded the results.

Anyways, the images showed up fine in my browser, but as I uploaded them I noticed they were distorted in the rendering by mediawiki, and I needed a few tries to fix it. I also made a typo for the first two images. Here's what would be needed to clean up the mess:

I hope this isn't too hard, and sorry for wasting your time… Wrtlprnft 14:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I did move your files, so now Image:Koch Snoflake 0th iteration.svg, Image:Koch Snoflake 1st iteration.svg, Image:Koch Snowflake 2nd iteration (2).svg and Image:Koch Snowflake 3rd iteration (2).svg need to be deleted by an admin. --Matt314 14:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. Should I a {{speedydelete}} to all the images or just hope that a sysop will read this? —Wrtlprnft 14:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

How can we delete a file uploaded by mistake ?[edit]

Hi, I've uploaded by mistake a logo which is copyrighted and I don't know how to delete it from the Commons. I've tried to find the answer on Help pages but I haven't find the answer to that question. Here's the file I would like to delete:


Thanks for your help. Metropolitan 21:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Only admins can delete things, by tagging it with {{speedydelete}} you did the right thing. I've deleted it.--Nilfanion 22:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:Apothem of hexagon (2).svg[edit]

Could someone please move this over Image:Apothem of hexagon.svg? I messed up the SVG dimensions again, this was my first try with inkskape. Sorry. —Wrtlprnft 15:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Moved and tagged for speedy deletion. --Matt314 21:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:Phenol red.png[edit]

I took notice of this file from the English Wikipedia when an editor pointed out that the structure was incorrect. I checked a few sources online and I drew the correct structure. I've uploaded it since as Phenol red 2.png. Can someone move it to Phenol red.png? As an aside - How long do I have to be around commons before I am of sufficient good standing to replace old images? --Rifleman 82 20:16, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I moved the picture to Image:Phenol red.png, could you please update the image description there (author etc.)? As far as I know you have to be on Commons for four days to be able to upload a new version of a file. --Matt314 21:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


In my haste, I got my halides mixed up. Should be NaBr instead of NaCl. Could someone move this to Synthesis_of_phenylacetic_acid.gif please? Thanks --Rifleman 82 15:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Moved and tagged for speedy deletion. --Matt314 19:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Images at other Wikipedia language articles[edit]

I think this is a technical problem. But here it is. Currently at en.wikipedia, we are taking inventory of all the Anishinaabe-related articles. Part of that, we are also taking a look at what non-English Wikipedia articles there are with Anishinaabe-related articles. Some have really cool graphics but 1) I don't know how to get the graphics to move from the non-English to the English site, and 2) many would make more sense to migrate to here rather than to en.wikipedia. Is there a way to consolidate the images to here from across all Wikipedia sister projects and their language sites? CJLippert 22:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Definitely, uploading to Commons instead of locally (English Wikipedia) is a good idea, as long as the images have a clear source (who is the author? where was it originally published?) and license (how do you know it's PD or some other free license applies?).
The first thing to do is check whether the images are actually already hosted at Commons. For example at, which is used in the eswp article, you can see a small template with the Commons logo. This generally means "this image is hosted at Wikimedia Commons, click here to see the original image description page". So you can follow that link to find the image at Commons: Image:Anishinaabe-Anishinini Map.PNG. Then you can automatically use it at English Wikipedia as well.
If you find that an image is hosted locally, after verifying the source and license, you can use Commons Helper to help you transfer the image to Commons (it makes sure all the necessary info is copied across). But don't move images if you can't understand the language the information is in.
There is no way to automatically move images to the Commons, it is still a manual process. HTH. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 01:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Funny you bring the Image:Anishinaabe-Anishinini Map.PNG example. On the localised en.wikipedia, as that image's creator, I have said that image is free of all copyright. However, the commons.wikipedia has it as being copyrighted but without usage restrictions. Was there a mistranslation going from en.wikipedia to es.wikipedia to commons.wikipedia? This makes me wonder how reliable the copyright notices are at other local sites. The images I would like to move all say they're copyright free, but I have not been able to identify the original sources of those images. Suggestions? CJLippert 16:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah, right. I see that user actually made quite a hash of moving the image to the Commons. It should be OK now.
For the other images, if you provide links, we can have a look at them. But if there is flat out no source mentioned at all, then they're probably just grabbed randomly off the net, right... definitely don't upload here. Try contacting the uploader on their user talk page. If you find they're a fly-by upoader, then very likely the images won't be usable. But if they're an established user then you have a much better chance of getting their help. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 17:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, the links for the images at the Croatian site may be found at w:WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America/Anishinaabe as URL links. We're still trying to identify articles and images on other local sites. As for Image:Anishinaabe-Anishinini Map.PNG, thanks. CJLippert 20:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Uploading images without spending rest of life reading about copyright[edit]

Oh, good grief, I just want to upload some images for some plant articles. I don't care if people vomit on them and pray to them afterwards, but the pictures would be useful in their appropriate articles and don't appear to already exist on Wikimedia Commons or Wikipedia or in the PD. I tried doing this before but my head exploded before I could figure out what license to use, and I've spent the past month in recovery. Now I realize pursuing this matter any further will result in a second explosion or my never ever ever in this lifetime or the next 37 billion trillion zillion lifetimes actually uploading a picture whilst in the maze of questions, answers, comments, confusions and discussions about which licenses to use. Can anyone tell me in one sentence or less what is the difference between PD and GNU and if one is preferable, in YOUR POV over the other and why. Monosyllabic English words from the Anglo-Saxon are highly preferred. First answer will be worshipped or not, depending upon your wishes. Thanks, KP Botany 16:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

If someone else is the creator, then we have to worry about their wishes.
But if you took the pictures yourself, and don't care about being credited for them or anything like that in the future, use {{pd-self}}.
If you would like to require that you be attributed for any use of the image, use {{CC-BY-2.5}}.
If you would like to require that you be attributed for any use of the image AND that any derivative work (eg crop or colour balance or even part of a larger work) also has to be released under a free license (this concept is called ShareAlike), use {{CC-BY-SA-2.5}}. 2.5 is the latest version of the Creative Commons licenses.
GNU - I presume you mean the GNU Free Documentation License, or GFDL, which Wikipedia uses for its text, has the onerous requirement that with any use of the image, a copy of the license must also be present. On the web this is OK but in print, maybe not. So I don't recommend the GFDL for images unless you dual-license with another one like a Creative Commons listed above.
Please be aware that any acceptable license here requires that you allow commercial work and allow people to creative derivative works (as I said above, you can require that they are ShareAlike, but that's up to you). HTH. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 17:00, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
BTW is Commons:First steps/License selection useful or is it too confusing? Let us know so we can improve it. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 17:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, I know the learning curve is quite steep, but if you find the process rather addictive after a while, our Tree of Life project would welcome you. :) You can keep asking questions here too. --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 17:17, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
AHHGGG! It's all way way way TOO TOO MUCH! Here and on my once nice and blank and, therefore, safe talk page. I don't need to know anything about who else is the creator or a thousand other questions that I never asked but the Commons has already answered a Zillion! Trillion! Times! And keeps answering and answering and answering no matter where I turn to try to find just one little piece of information.
I know you meant well, but I was really just trying to get one question answered without getting bombarded with a quatrillion scoldings about everything the new moon might spit onto the planet earth or vice versa. I give up. I give up. I give up. I'm going back into rehab. Or just bang my head into the wall until something falls out of it and leaves me with room to breathe. Or I'll just delete every photograph I've ever taken to prevent my ever considering uploading anything again. AHHGGG! AHHGGG! Maybe I can join the Borg Collective--it might be quieter. KP Botany 19:17, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Wow, you do like your dramatics...
I can't give you a more succinct answer than the one I gave here. Copyright is inherently non-simple and it's a learning curve we all went through at some stage. I'll delete your talk page, but we have a welcomebot which might give it back to you at a later stage. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 22:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
But I asked the difference between PD and GNU and you answered all sorts of extra stuff and ignored my question. There is no place anywhere on Wikimedia Commons to get a straightforward answer to a question--it's impossible. Does any one here have any idea how frustrating this is, that any question asked includes voluminous unrelated details and seldom bothers to address the actual question? And most of it sounds like scolding. I've already been scolded by my first 10 hours on Wikimedia. Is there any time when I won't be scolded? And here you come along and scold me about things I didn't ask:
"Please be aware that any acceptable license here requires that you allow commercial work and allow people to creative derivative works...."
I didn't ask about anything of the sort. Why should I be aware of something I don't care in the least bit about and learned 5 billion times already every single time I tried to find the answer to the question I was trying to get answered? If you repeatedly hit someone over the head with a mallet, it's a bit rude to ask them if they're aware the mallet exists while they're trying to recover from the blows to the head. In fact, I tried to give a dramatic enough (apparently not) disclaimer to discourage people from scolding me about this awareness again and again and again and again--I failed.
You answered all sorts of questions about attribution that I didn't ask, either. And because you answered all these questions I didn't ask, no one bothered to answer the question I did ask, so I'm right back where I started from, completely frustrated without any information whatsoever. And I have tons of digital pictures correctly identified to species level, some to subspecies, that I would love to upload because they would readily increase the usefulness of Wikipedia, which I think is generally a great idea. And on Wikimedia Commons of the dozen or so pictures I've looked at there has been botanically incorrect information on 3--and I've had to remove pictures from a couple of articles that were wrongly identified. So, I personally think it would be useful to try to make this project easier to use by people whose knowledge is not computers, but rather things like plants and amphibians and birds and grasslands. One way to do that would be to make it easy for people who aren't interested in the minutae to figure out how to use the system. I can spend another 10 hours reading information about various licenses, including the new ones I'm not the least bit interested in that you introduced me to, or I could spend 10 hours uploading botanically correct photographs for articles in Wikipedia. Personally, I thought the latter would contribute more, and I'm already bored beyond beli with the time I've wasted on the former. It's much safer to give up. KP Botany 00:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I personally think it would be useful to try to make this project easier to use by people whose knowledge is not computers, but rather things like plants and amphibians and birds and grasslands. I complete agree. But copyright is one of the hardest areas to make simple. If we simplify it to a certain level, we are being dishonest. I could say blah blah and not tell you that you must allow derivative works and commercial use, and that licenses are not irrevocable. Then you wouldn't have to think about what those things mean. But then I also wouldn't be sure that you understand these things, and if in 6 months you throw a pink fit because your image is being used on a commercial website and you're not getting paid, and you suddenly decide that you want to withdraw all of your free licenses, well...copyright holders need to understand these things.
Maybe the reason your question wasn't answered exactly is because you didn't ask something that exactly made sense. As I did say above -- GNU - I presume you mean the GNU Free Documentation License, or GFDL. GNU in reference to images or licenses is too non-specific (they have other licenses too), so if you mean GFDL then let's say GFDL.
PD = public domain = you give up all rights to anything related to the image.
GFDL = GNU Free Documentation License = you require that a copy of the license accompany any use of the image, AS WELL AS A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF WHICH I'M GLOSSING OVER TO AVOID OUTRAGING YOU.
I was never trying to scold you. But when people ask questions here we have no idea how much or how little they've read, and as I said it saves everyone tons of hassle later if they are aware of the important details now. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 01:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
But everyone assumes different things, that the user is uploading images that aren't theirs, that the user is worried about commercial use, worry about irrevocability. It's unsafe for anyone to even ask any question, because they'll get told again and again things they never asked. And, see, after all my time reading, I still had no idea what the GFDL license was actually called! But no one bothered to point that out while debating whether or not I owned the image, which I didn't ask about, or was worried about commercial use, which I didn't ask about, or etc., etc. There's just too much information, it's like that one Wikipedia editor who simply thinks that more is always better, quality can burn in Hades. Sometimes too much is just that: noise. It's no longer informative when it becomes noise. KP Botany 19:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm just too frustrated and upset by this whole experience. Maybe I'll try again later. I think it would serve the Wiki community well to think of how this section is arranged and its usability, though. It's just not possible for someone who is not dedicated to spending their life on the computer to actually find straight-forward information. And it's not my computer I'm taking pictures of. KP Botany 19:14, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
I think taking a wikibreak would be a very good idea. There is no point editing if it's stressing you out. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 00:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

update/move image[edit]

I'm unable to update an uploaded image. As the upload form suggested, I uploaded it under a new name.

orginial name: ART.png thumb|Basic ART Structure update's name: ART.png-v1.png thumb|Basic ART Structure

Is someone here able to update the image? Can somebody tell me what to do?

--Pisi 07:50, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Pisi! I uploaded the new image as Image:ART.png and tagged the old one for speedy deletion. You are able to "overwrite" images ones your account is older the four days. --Matt314 10:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Matt, Thank You! --Pisi 10:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Trying to upload my company's current logo...[edit] replace the obsolete, outdated logo that appears on the page that somebody created for my company ("Taco John's"). I have tried a couple of times to upload a jpg of the logo, but it shows up blank. What questions am I not answering correctly? The logo is a registered trademark of Taco John's, but I am the one who generally grants permission to our franchisees and others to display it. Please help me on this. Thank you.

Neal Levy, Taco John's Franchise Support Center, Cheyenne, WY. Wikipedia Commons user name: NLevyNLevy 17:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

  1. We might be having issues with images, at the moment. the server load is large.
  2. However, please do not upload your logo! As it is a registered trademark, it is not public domain, GFDL or GFDL compatible, and therefore not presently within our guidelines and is not permitted on the Commons. If you'd like to upload it to en.wikipedia as Fair use or another local wikimedia project, you are welcome to do so, provided it falls within their guidelines. Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 17:38, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Artwork published in Germany[edit]

Hi all. Can someone review User:Froehlich jochen's uploads? He's uploaded several works that were created early in the 20th century... some after 1923. Since the artist was German, I assume they were published in Germany. The user is claiming GFDL (I suppose since he took the photos himself), but I'm not familiar with German copyright law so I don't know what the copyright status of the original paintings would be. Help? ~MDD4696 17:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello. Is that ok if I respond here directly ? I am Jochen Fröhlich aluded to in this comment. I should like to add the following note for clarification: The original paintings are in posession of Beate Fröhlich. She took the photos and desired them to be published under GFDL on Wikipedia. Since the owner of the photos as well as the owner of the original painings (identical in this case) have agreed with the publication that should remove any issue regarding copyright, whether in Germany or US. With best regards Jochen Fröhlich

categoritzing a picture does not work[edit]

Dear Wiki-gurus, today I uploaded a picture.

That has worked fine, but I forgot to add the categories. So, I want to do it now. When I click on 'categorize' on top of the page I get a new page with a window where I can enter key words. However, there I see no possibility to submit this. On the bottom of the page I get an error message (cf. below). Can you please tell me how I can add the categories to the picture ? Thank you very much in advance Jochen Fröhlich

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'DBQueryError' with message 'A database error has occurred Query: SELECT page_id, page_namespace, page_title, page_len, page_touched, page_is_redirect, rev_id, rev_timestamp, old_id as text_id, old_text as text, old_flags as text_flags FROM text JOIN revision ON rev_text_id = old_id JOIN page ON rev_id = page_latest WHERE page_title = 'German_painters' AND page_namespace = 14 Function: fetchWikirecord Error: 1146 Table 'enwiki_p.revision' doesn't exist (zedler.ts-local) ' in /home/daniel/MediaWiki-live/phase3/includes/Database.php:684 Stack trace: #0 /home/daniel/MediaWiki-live/phase3/includes/Database.php(641): Database->reportQueryError('Table 'enwiki_p...', 1146, '? ...', 'fetchWikirecord', false) #1 /home/daniel/public_html/WikiSense-live/common/WikiAccess.php(880): Database->query('? ...', 'fetchWikirecord') #2 /home/daniel/pub in /home/daniel/MediaWiki-live/phase3/includes/Database.php on line 684

ok. I got it: one has to use the 'bearbeiten' button above the license to edit the categories. With best reagards Jochen

All good? It seems to have categories now. Maybe a coupletoo many... pfctdayelise (说什么?) 04:40, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Not Sure: Permission[edit]

The picture Image:Reverent samuel kobias.jpg from a church website ( was uploaded and given the GNU Free Document License. On that website I didn't find any permission that this might be allowed. Would you please check the permission of the picture? (By the way: The name of the picture is misspelled. It should be "Reverend Samuel Kobia.jpg" or similar.) Thanks. -- Mathetes 01:12, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mathetes, thanks for bringing this to our attention. In future you can mark any images you find like this as {{subst:nld}} (nld = no license, marked by date... this includes missing license information as well).
As for the spelling, there is no straightforward way of renaming images, and since I doubt this image is actually free, I don't think it's worth bothering about. thanks, pfctdayelise (说什么?) 04:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi pfctdayelise,
thanks for your answer and for doing the right thing. I was not shure about the procedure in this case, because I'm not at all an expert in copyright cases and in the practices on Wikimedia Commons. Regarding the spelling I fully agree, too. Thanks and regards, Mathetes 17:54, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Replace image please[edit]

Image:JFET P-Channel Labelled 2.svg is a correction to replace Image:JFET P-Channel Labelled.svg which I can't do with my new account.

per discussion at


Done. --EugeneZelenko 15:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Replace image[edit]

Image:TeaStash1.jpg is Image:TeaStash.jpg with minor touch ups I cannot replace Image:TeaStash.jpg With my new account If someone could do thats for me, that would be great JHoltzman 13:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Image:TeaStash1.jpg and Image:TeaStash.jpg do not exist. --EugeneZelenko 15:13, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, i put it as '.jpg' as the file type. it is actually '.JPG' for both of them
Done. Could an admin please delete Image:StashTea1.JPG? Thanks! --Matt314 20:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Wrong file uploaded[edit]

Image_talk:Telephone_number_pad.jpeg describes my mistake! Eeek! That said, if someone wants to rename the bear photo I accidentally uploaded with a saner filename, please do say. Also, should my new number pad replace the existing one I also describe there? Thanks! Ahkitj 03:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)/ahkitj

I put the photo replacing the bear you uploaded by mistake. The other image you mentioned (Image:Phone numberpad.jpeg) should be deleted anyway, because it is from a bad source. --Matt314 10:53, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Templates from[edit]

I've uploaded a pic from using Commons Helper. The permission on was recorded on a specific template on the image page, with another template on the Talk page giving the ticket number for the Permission-Sought-and-Confirmed. Neither of these templates has worked on the Commons page.

How to fix? Ta, JackyR 10:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Uff. Have just realised there are a large number of pics at from the same source, being dealt with by w:User:Jeff3000, so presumably he is going to do a mass fix/move when a final Q about permissions is resolved. I've notified him about the pic here that needs sorting out. So waiting on his action/comment... JackyR 11:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
The templates you've been looking for are called {{cc-by-sa-2.0}} and {{PermissionOTRS-ID}}. I've fixed the license, and mentioned the original source. Lupo 11:06, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh that's marvellous. Per discussion at w:User talk:Jeff3000 / w:User talk:JackyR, it looks like I'll be doing the rest of the uploads to Commons, which with the templates should be pretty straightforward. V many thanks, JackyR 19:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


1) I have uploaded pictures and added them in an article successfully, but now I cannot find them with a simple search in Wikimedia (the files are named Faros_Chania.JPG and the other one Chania_harbour.jpg

2) I have asked for permission for a couple of pictures from a website from the owner and he said that it's ok to use them in Wikipedia articles only. Which licensing option do I use when uploading?

A Voulgarakis 02:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

For (1), the search index is not updated instantly. it might be some weeks until it is updated. So there is not much you can do but wait. In the meantime, please make sure all your images are in galleries/categories so that they are still able to be found.
For (2), please do not upload pictures with Wikipedia-only permission. Commons requires licenses that allow unrestricted use by anyone for any purpose, more or less. Please see Commons:Licensing and Commons:Email templates for more information. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 05:19, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

pictures within wiki[edit]

Am I free to use any picture form a Wikipedia article for another Wikipedia article?

A Voulgarakis 11:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

You can use every picture in Commons on any WikiMedia project (see Commons:First steps/Reuse for more info). On some occassions like fair use pictures you cannot upload some file from one Wiki to another (see more at Commons:First steps/License selection and Commons:Licensing). --Nux (talk) 22:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

3 sizes of same pic / link to one another?[edit]

This image uses the largest version, Image:Lesserj lg.jpg.


I made three differently sized versions of the same pic to use in articles I am starting to write on Psittacini, Poicephalus, and Jardine's Parrots.

thumbnail size medium size full size

Do I link these three pages together? If so, where? Did I choose the right copyright? I took the photo, and I grant Wiki rights to use it. Do I add them into to other sections too?

Thanks TheBirdMan 08:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

In MediaWiki, one size fits all:
[[Image:Lesserj lg.jpg|thumb|240px|This image uses the largest version, [[:Image:Lesserj lg.jpg]].]] is what you see on the right.
The license is correct, but you should also categorize your images so that other people can find them, too. Samulili 08:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict - longer version of the same)
Hello, what a lovely image! Nice work.
You don't have to upload smaller versions of files usually, because the MediaWiki software will automatically produce thumbnails. For example, to insert a thumbnail into an article, just type this: [[Image:Lesserj lg.jpg|thumb|right|This is a female Lesser Jardines Parrot, 6 years.]]
This is a female Lesser Jardines Parrot, 6 years.
It will make this: -->
You can also insert a manual height for the image, if you want to control it. e.g. [[Image:Lesserj lg.jpg|thumb|right|100px|This is a female Lesser Jardines Parrot, 6 years.]] will make an image 100 pixels high.
In all cases, clicking on the image will take the user to the image page. From there, they can click on the image itself to access your original, hi-res version. Therefore, the smaller images you uploaded are not needed, and I will delete them.
The license is good. But please be aware that you are granting anyone rights to use it, not just Wikipedia.
cheers, pfctdayelise (说什么?) 08:37, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
By typing [[Image:Lesserj lg.jpg|thumb|100px|Image caption]] you are setting the image width to 100 px, not the height. --Matt314 09:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks - I must have done something wrong though - and I don't know what. The thumbnail image wasn't showing up on the page I made Psittacini so I took a look and noticed that the'_' was missing between 'lesserj' and '.jpg'. I added it and now it shows up there, but not here? What am I missing? Thanks! TheBirdMan 22:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Now it IS showing up here!!! I've been having some problem with my cable modem dropping the connection. Maybe that's it? TheBirdMan 22:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
There have been server load problems with media. Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 23:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Overwrite existing file, and help with SVG[edit]


I have a new account, so I could not overwrite my file. Please will someone overwrite Image:Rowing_Blade_Template.svg with Image:Rowing_Blade_Template2.svg, and also delete Image:Rowing_Blade_Template1.svg ?

Where can I ask for help with svg? Some my gradients are just black in the thumbnails, but look fine in Firefox.

Garyvdm 13:59, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Your requests have been completed. You may want to start at Commons:SVG. I'll ask other editors to take a look at your comment too. Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 14:11, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Cary. Sorry to be such a pain, but please will you replace Image:Rowing_Blade_Template.svg with Image:Rowing_Blade_Template4.svg , and delete Image:Rowing_Blade_Template1.svg again. I seams that you cant use css classes to set styles on the stop element in libsvg :-(. Garyvdm 15:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
DoneRowing Blade Template.svg Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 17:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Concerning the Image One litre car.jpg[edit]

I don't know what the correct licensing should be for this image (see below)

It was made in Switzerland, but the author is unknown, it was found on This Website.

Please leave me a message on my Wikipedia talk page, if you need something to get to me quickly.


Booksworm 09:35, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Help overwriting images[edit]


Please will some one help me overwrite a few images:

Sorry to be a pain. Only 3 more days till I can do it myself.

Garyvdm 13:15, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I overwrote you files. So could an admin delete the old ones? In a few days I might be able to do it myself! --Matt314 16:41, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


When trying to categorize with CommonSense I get this error message at the bottom of the screen.

Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'DBQueryError' with message 'A database error has occurred Query: SELECT page_id, page_namespace, page_title, page_len, page_touched, page_is_redirect, rev_id, rev_timestamp, old_id as text_id, old_text as text, old_flags as text_flags FROM text JOIN revision ON rev_text_id = old_id JOIN page ON rev_id = page_latest WHERE page_title = 'Rock' AND page_namespace = 14 Function: fetchWikirecord Error: 1146 Table 'enwiki_p.revision' doesn't exist (zedler.ts-local) ' in /home/daniel/MediaWiki-live/phase3/includes/Database.php:684 Stack trace: #0 /home/daniel/MediaWiki-live/phase3/includes/Database.php(641): Database->reportQueryError('Table 'enwiki_p...', 1146, '? ...', 'fetchWikirecord', false) #1 /home/daniel/public_html/WikiSense-live/common/WikiAccess.php(880): Database->query('? ...', 'fetchWikirecord') #2 /home/daniel/public_html/Wi in /home/daniel/MediaWiki-live/phase3/includes/Database.php on line 684 --Digon3 15:47, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Two images not displaying[edit]

I uploaded Image:Wfm ocean terminal leith.jpg and Image:Wfm victoria quay.jpg today. For both, when their image pages are viewed the images just don't appear. They appear okay in thumbnails (e.g. in Category:Edinburgh) and clicking on the specific "download high resolution version" links works fine. Neither is especially large (either in dimensions or bytes). Any ideas? -- Finlay McWalter 20:33, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Move Image[edit]

Can you move cot2.svg to cot.svg, I fixed a few things. Can you move Theorem of cosin3.svg to Theorem of cosin.svg because the current one fails to render. Also can you move tan3.svg to tan.svg, because tan.svg is a completely failed rendering and delete tan2.svg. Keytotime 23:55, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I did the moving for you except for Image:Theorem of cosin3.svg: Is this supposed to be at Image:Theorem of cosin2.svg or at Image:Theorem of cosin.svg which apprears to be a totally different image? --Matt314 07:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

It is supposed to be Image:Theorem of cosin.svg, can you delete Image:Theorem of cosin2.svg(illustrator did not render it correctly), the original one is based on Image:Theorem of cosin.png, but does not render in Firefox or IE.

Better resolution image for sinosuidal map projection[edit]

Hi, I've just registered and unfortunately my account is too new so I can't update image files by myself. I wanted to update Image:Usgs map sinousidal equal area.PNG with the better resolution image Image:Sinousidal_projection.png. The source is still, so no change in license here.

Thanks, --Oxygene 00:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I moved your file. --Matt314 07:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

License changed on flickr[edit]

Hi, I uploaded three images a while ago, but the license seems to have changed on flickr to a license Commons can't use. Or I have made a mistake, but I can't imagine that actually since I discovered images from the same source on wikipedia by other uploaders. Which now also have a non free license. (unless we all made the same mistake). What do to now? Just delete them since we can't verify it anymore? The images in question are Image:Sarah Waters.jpg Image:Harley Jane Kozak.jpg Image:Lee Child.jpg. Garion96 18:58, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

When I checked through the uploaders (On Flick) contributions there were several licences. Most were nc but some were copyrighted. Agathoclea 20:33, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Contact the copyright holder, politely explain that we'd love to use their images in our projects... And get them to license under CC-By-Sa (or better, dual CC-By-Sa and GFDL). Also be sure to invite them to contribute directly, ... we might gain a contributor. Really this is what we should be doing for all Flickr users whos images we use... --Gmaxwell 03:28, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I already wrote to her. I do that now all the time, but those images were when I was still a newbie at that. :) But what if I get no response or she refuses? Delete the images just to be sure? Garion96 13:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Solved. She released those 5 images by e-mail under CC-BY. Will fwd it to permissions@etc. Garion96 21:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Updated image[edit]

Hi, I just registered and uploaded Image:Sechseck-Zeichnung.svg, but then noticed some differences between Firefox's and Wikimedia's rendering. I fixed those errors and tried to replace the old version, but I'm not allowed to do this, because my account is too new. So I uploaded the new version to Image:Sechseck-Zeichnung2.svg and hope that someone can do the moving for me.

Thank you, NilsB 21:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Replaced the old version. --Matt314 08:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Experienced Wikipedian, New Commoners[edit]

I am an experienced Wikipedian that has finally gotten around to uploading my self-made images from the 'pedia to the commons. This will be a piece of cake for the most part, but for a few of my images of Huntington, West Virginia, someone has already uploaded them with an unhelpful rename and little in the way of attribution. I have re-uploaded one of them with the correct name (to preserve links to wikipedia) and the original descriptive text. What do I do to get the older duplicates deleted? Am I following the correct procedure? Youngamerican 13:09, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

If you're the author, then either uploading them yourself separately (as you did) or just correcting the attribution is fine. To request speedy deletion for the ones with bad names, put {{bad name|Image:Sameimagewithbettername.jpg}} on them. It would be nice if you first check if those ones are being used (by the CheckUsage tab), and if so, change the links to point to the better-named image. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 13:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
If you're from (English-lang Wikipedia), the next step is to put a template on the copy of the image. For an image with an identical name here, add {{NowCommonsThis}}, or just {{NCT}}. If you've had to change the image name (eg because someone else has already used that name here), just add {{NowCommons|new name of file}}. An admin at will find the Now Commons tag, check and delete the copy of the image.
If you're from another language wiki, I'm afraid I'm not sure what your procedure will be, but look for the same sort of thing. JackyR 21:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
{{NowCommons}} is a universal template on MANY wikis; its an exception on the major wikis that {{NowCommons|filename}} fails to work.--Nilfanion 00:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Which ones does it not work on? I might be able to fix one or more.. thanks! ++Lar: t/c 15:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Name conflict between Commons and Wikipedia[edit]

In trying to include an image uploaded by User:JoelRaskin to an article I am working on on Wikipedia. The image is named Image:Hillman.jpg. (This is about the housing cooperative in Cooperative Village in NYC). Wikipedia however already has an image with the same name (of Chris Hillman).

I could not find help on interwiki linking to images. Trying the obvious [[Image:commons:Hillman.jpg|...]] did not work. An alternative would be to rename the Commons image to "Hillman Housing.jpg". -- Petri Krohn 22:56, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

You need to reupload the image to a different filename and tag the other with {{newfile}}. There is no way to rename images at this time unfortunately and iw doesn't work with images.--Nilfanion 23:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. We should include this bit of information in help-pages somewhere. -- Petri Krohn 23:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
It is. COM:FAQ. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 02:28, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
OK, I lied, it wasn't, although it has been discussed before... I will add it now. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 02:30, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Fulfilling an Image Request[edit]

Hi all newbie here

Someone requested an image for here:

So I took this one here:

Firstly I don't know if my image is suitable?

Nor how I would edit the Farad article if it was.

Can someone help? - maybe do it for me?

Cheers Intiti

Image caption
Hi Intiti,
The image looks very good, well done. I can't find the image request for the article, so I don't know what they were looking for. But I think you should be bold and insert it. Edit the article (click "edit" at the top) and put this where you want the image to appear: [[Image:Capacitors Various.jpg|thumb|right|Image caption]] It will make this -->
Does this make sense? If not, let me know. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 13:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Copyright on old images?[edit]

I would like to upload this image from McGill University's website. The information page credits two people as the artists, both of whom died over 100 years ago. So it should be in the public domain, right? But when you click on the image to get the larger version, it has a "Copyright McGill University" tag stuck on the bottom. How can they claim a copyright on something that is clearly over 100 years old? - Jwillbur 15:11, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

The website is copyrighted. Any claims of copyright of the images, however, are spurious. Still, I would put a link to McGill when you upload the image as being the source. Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 15:14, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

show search as gallery -is it possible?[edit]

show search as gallery -is it possible? How can I see search result as thumb or as a gallery?--Albedo-ukr 19:09, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Albedo, this is not yet a feature, although it sounds like a swell feature request. You can ask for it at [2]. Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 23:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I think this is already possible. Just use Special:Newimages. But I think it will order the pictures from most recent to oldest. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 09:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Extra-tools in Standard skin[edit]

Is it possible to add the Extratools and the new tabs that are in Monobook to the Standard skin (es locale)? --Error 23:14, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

You are welcome to try yourself... :) --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 09:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I am not an administrator. --Error 01:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
What pfctdayelise probably meant is that you my try to change your standard.js for yourself (AFAIK there is no JS file editable for admins for that skin). The code you might want to try is (this is from MediaWiki:Monobook.js):
 // ==========================================================================
 // BEGIN: MediaWiki interface button strings definition for additional tabs
 // for embeding Duesentrieb's image tools.
 // The complete script which gets called here is located at MediaWiki:Extra-tabs.js

 // Interface strings, get defined in the localised Mediawiki:Monobook.js/<ISO-Code>
 var tab_check_usage = 'check usage';
 var tab_categorize = 'categorize';
 var tab_log = 'log';
 var tab_gallery = 'gallery';
 var tab_orphans = 'orphans';
 var tab_untagged = 'untagged';
 var tab_tree = 'Tree';
 var tab_catscan = 'CatScan';
 var tab_blocklog = 'Blocklog';
 var tab_wikipedia = 'en';

 // embeds the global script
 document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Extra-tabs.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript"><\/script>');

 // END: MediaWiki interface button definition for Duesentrieb's image tools.
 // ========================================================================

--Nux (talk) 02:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Username change[edit]

Dear Wikiperson/bureaucrat: The procedure for a username change at the Wikimedia Commons here is arcane compared to that at Wikipedia, and not helpful: I am asked to contact a bureaucrat, but no link or details of any bureaucrat is provided. Could you please help direct me as to where to go or who exactly to ask for a username change? Thanks. Splashprince 04:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Commons:Changing username. What page were you reading? If you can remember, we can improve the wording. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 09:36, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Bot for renaming categories[edit]


Does anyone here have a bot that could rename a few categories? Lots of pictures are in them and it would took a long time to do it manually... Thanks. Alensha 12:36, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

You could ask help of User:Orgullomoore who run bot able to rename categories. Or put old and new names here, so one of admins will be able to add request on User:Orgullobot/commands. --EugeneZelenko 14:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the answer, I asked Orgullomoore. Alensha 15:54, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Request For Image Move[edit]

Could someone move to please? It's the new updated Adium logo from the adium website. the preceding unsigned comment is by Wengero (talk • contribs)

Here's what you do to rename or move a file. Simply upload the file again and mark the old one like this: {{bad name|Correct name}}. I'll send you the welcome template that has this info.DVD R W 22:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

editing description[edit]

I have added several files in the commons and want now to change some things in the description (some mistakes which have to do with the permission). The problem is that by a simple search in the commons (using a keyword that all the file titles have) I cannot find all the files I need. How am I supposed to edit. The funny thing is that I have been able to use them on wikipedia, but no cannot alter them (this may cause misunderstundings with the authors of the files).


A Voulgarakis 23:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

You can check your edits and limit to those that apply to images (choose it in the dropdownbox). See Special:Contributions/A Voulgarakis. As for editing it is just as anywhere else on Wikipedia - just click edit tab, and change where needed. --Nux (talk) 00:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I suggest looking at your Gallery to find your images. When you view your userpage, at the top there will be a tab that says "gallery" - click on that. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 02:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


Am I able to delete a file that I have uploaded in the commons (actually I would like to replace one with a more correct one).

A Voulgarakis 00:30, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

You can upload a new version of a file that will kind of overwrite the previous one. To do this just go to the image's page and click on a link for reuploading which you will find in File history section. The link is called Upload a new version of this file.
You can also see Help:Contents and Commons:FAQ#Technical questions for more answers to questions you might have.
Nux (talk) 01:06, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Using an Image[edit]


I am in the process of writing a book which I aim to publish privately,(5oo copies) I wish to include one of your images.Please can you inform me as to whether I need permission, and if there is any cost involved?

Kind Regards.

No need to have a specific permission, you'll just need to follow the rules given by the licence set on the image. For example if it has a CC-BY licence you simply need to state the author of the image. See also: Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia.

Nux (talk) 11:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Asian tsunami, 2005[edit]


I want to upload this photo: which shows the Asian tsunami just after breaking at Krabi Beach, Thailand.

It was sent to by an anonymous contributor shortly after the event and was posted on the site. contacted the sender at my request, asking if I could distribute the photo for its scientific importance, but their email recieved no reply. Privacy laws here mean I can't contact them directly.

Can I upload it?

Thanks, Gareth

Unfortunately, the absence of "yes" is interpreted by the legal system as a "no". Unless the image's copyright status can be verified, we can't accept the image. Sorry :(. ~MDD4696 02:01, 24 October 2006 (UTC)