But it seems that many of the old Palestine maps are being mixed up with the maps of the Palestinian territories. The categories are completely screwed up. I created some of the categories long ago, and they made a lot more sense than they do now after people have been mixing up "Palestine" with "Palestinian territories". See the article en:Palestine for the various meanings over time.
Both versions are similar in terminology. But back then maps of the Palestinian territories were in separate categories, and not mixed up with maps of historic Palestine.
I suggest that on the Commons we continue to use "Palestinian territories" for those territories in the West Bank and Gaza. I suggest we continue to use "Palestine" to refer to the region. Otherwise we will have chaos. We can explain this on the category pages so that no one is offended or thinks that we are denying statehood to Palestine. See en:State of Palestine.
But we have to have a way to separate old and new maps.
For some reason some of the Area A, B, and C maps of the West Bank are found here:
I guess as many other categories, they need occasional clean up, since as new images are added by users unfamiliar with the topic, they often end up in incorrect or very general categories related to the topic. I do not know much about the region, but I am sure whatever help you can provide in organizing it would be appreciated. --Jarekt (talk) 13:27, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
We need to get Foroa on board, too. I believe he is using "Palestine" in category names to refer to the Palestinian territories. I left a note on his talk page. --Timeshifter (talk) 05:44, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
As stated here, Israel and Palestine category evolutions are like a chicken running without a head. I don't waste my energy on yet-another-talkpage that will be disappeared within two weeks time. --Foroa (talk) 19:46, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
That is a good point. We can move this to a separate page. I want this to focus specifically on Palestine and the Palestinian territories. The Commons:Administrators' noticeboard discussion is too wide of a discussion.
"Historical Palestine" and "Modern Palestine"
Another possible solution is to use more names that better distinguish between "Historical Palestine" and "Modern Palestine" (state of Palestine) in the category names. "Historical" should not be used in map names, though. See Commons:Categories/Maps and the problematic use of the word "historical" in map category names. We are talking about overall Palestine-related categories, though, and not just maps. So "historical" may be OK in some of the category names.
The Atlas of Palestine introduction has links to articles that list the names, and their meanings. We need to use more specific terms for the state of Palestine, historical Palestine (region), etc. See also:
Palestinians To Seek UN Recognition In November. By Mohammed Daraghmeh. 28 Oct 2012. Huffington Post. This exact same article is in various newspapers and media as an Associated Press article. From the article: "One official said Mahmoud Abbas is expected to ask the General Assembly to approve a Palestinian request for 'nonmember state' status on Nov. 15 or Nov. 29. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because no formal decision has been made." --Timeshifter (talk) 17:59, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
So I hope this can allow us now move all "Palestinian territories" categories to "Palestine", preceded by the renaming of "Palestine"-cats into "Historic Palestine", "Pre-1948 Palestine" or one of the like Orrlingtalk 14:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
"Here are the big changes between the 2011 vote and today’s: Five countries switched from 'abstain' to 'yes': Italy, Denmark, Switzerland, Portugal, Georgia. Three countries switched from 'no' to 'abstain': Germany, Netherlands, Lithuania. One country switched from 'no' to 'yes': Sweden. One country was absent: Ukraine, which had abstained in 2011. It happens." --Timeshifter (talk) 17:26, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
It may be better for now to categorize mainly under Category:Gaza Strip and Category:West Bank. It is hard to call them a unified country right now, under any name. The governments of the two territories don't get along. They have separate governments. Hamas is currently boycotting elections in the West Bank. --Timeshifter (talk) 00:33, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
This may be regarded as a short-term viewing of a rather long-lasting complexity. In the eyes of the Nations these are two parts of one nation/country you name it. Until GAza Strip dissolves into Egyptian rule and/or same happens with the Best Wank to Jordan we may not decide for this PEOPLE only because its current LEADERSHIP is inept. You know, Congo DR is still a unified-country term on Commons with its multiple regional sects, rebels and (self-proclaimed) governments. Same is Spain. Orrlingtalk 03:03, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
OK. I meant though that many topics can be categorized first under either the West Bank or the Gaza Strip. For example; "Writers from the West Bank" and "Writers from the Gaza Strip."
The difficult problem is under what do we categorize the West Bank and the Gaza Strip? I suggest waiting until the upcoming UN vote (see previous talk section) in November 2012, or whenever, to see if the West Bank and the Gaza Strip are called a country by the majority in the UN, and under what name. --Timeshifter (talk) 14:17, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Ah no, creating categories for "xxx (preposition) the West Bank" and "xxx (preposition) the Gaza Strip" apart will not only end us up erecting multiple category pages for one or two images with no reason, but will most importantly implement by wiki tools a false scheme displaying the two parts of Palestine as nationally, politically & socially separate entites, a status favoured by religious Jewish trolls some of which operating here too. As I'm a Heb Wikipedia editor I know how significantly the introduction of a wishful-thinker's reality into the veins of the joint inputs contributes to the wide-scale slanting of what needs to be univarsally factual, objective and broad-viewd. The vast majority of the Palestinian territories' habitants view the Strip and the Bank as one entity as much as these are internationally viewed so, and we thus shouldnot count just on how good or bad their politicians work, which evidently comes so fluctuating.
As to the latter question that you raised, I'd propose the State of Palestine. If they happen to finally dismantle & either part takes own destiny then we have a point in severing "People of the West Bank" from "People of Gaza" Orrlingtalk 23:58, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Category:Gaza Strip and Category:West Bank already exist. Just like states in the United States. It does not indicate "a false scheme displaying the two parts of Palestine as nationally, politically & socially separate entites" just as state categories for the United States does not indicate anything along those lines. Except for maybe the state of Texas, where some crazy separatists live. :) --Timeshifter (talk) 08:23, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
What about Alaska? Orrlingtalk 14:20, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
In a statement given to the BBC on Friday, Google spokesman Nathan Tyler said: "We're changing the name 'Palestinian Territories' to 'Palestine' across our products. We consult a number of sources and authorities when naming countries.