Commons:Valued image candidates/Antonio da Trento - The Tiburtine sibyl and the Emperor Augustus-2010

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Antonio da Trento - The Tiburtine sibyl and the Emperor Augustus.jpg

declined
Image Antonio da Trento - The Tiburtine sibyl and the Emperor Augustus.jpg
Nominated by Adam Cuerden (talk) on 2010-03-29 14:05 (UTC)
Scope Nominated as the most valued image on Commons within the scope:
Tiburtine Sibyl
Reason The basic details of this somewhat odd mediaeval legend is that the Tiburtine sibyl showed the Emperor Augustus a vision of the Christian Heaven. I think this is the clearest of the images we have, showing all the basic elements. The other images are either too complex to be clear in thumbnail, do not show all the elements, or aren't as well drawn - though I would understand if someone wanted to put this up against one of the more colourful images for head-to-head voting. This is a 16th century chiascuro woodbloock print, which I realise we don't see much on Commons, but I believe this is of high artistic merit for this type of art. -- Adam Cuerden (talk)
Review
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Previous reviews Link inserted according to renominationn instructions, trying to satisfy User:VICbot. --Ikar.us (talk) 14:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment Please link to the previous declined candidate. --Eusebius (talk) 13:18, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting info.svg Info It seems that this not much known Italian engraver, Antonio da Trento, made a kind of derivated work. This woodcut is apparently after an original design by the more famous artist Parmigianino, like other woodcuts he made. See: [1], [2], [3] and [[4]]).
  • Pictogram voting question-blue.svg Request The description should mention that this engraving is after Permigianino (also called Parmigiano). --Myrabella (talk) 20:57, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
    • Gladly. I've added it in, citing your second reference (as the first doesn't have clear biographical details). Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment I have two comments, in fact: 1) For the scope "Tiburtine Sibyl", I would rather support the painting by the Master of the Tiburtine Sybil, not only because it is more colouful ;-) (see [1]). The reproduction we have in Commons is not of upstanding quality (File:Meister_der_tiburtinischen_Sibylle_001.jpg); nethertheless, I propose to set up a MVR. 2) I draw your attention to the fact that an image can be considered valued within more than one scope. I would suggest to prepare a second nomination for the scope "chiaroscuro woodcut". This topic deserves a scope to me: "It was in the medium of woodcut that color was first introduced into printmaking, in the prints known as chiaroscuro woodcuts" can one read in this source; see also Chiaroscuro woodcuts. But before nominating, some work is necessary: a related category should be created, with a bunch of images to sort (not only with prints by da Tranto ;-)—I can give a hand for that. This second scope would be suitably generic, and it might better salute the fine work of restoration you've achieved. --Myrabella (talk) 11:02, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
    • I'm fine with these proposals. I pondered the Master of the Tiburtine Sibyl's painting, but it's not a very good reproduction, and, at the tiny thumbnail size, I think it's very hard to understand, since the Virgin becomes just a speck, and the murky brown cast over the image - which is the reproduction's fault, that's typical for a Yorck Project work - blends the details together. If we had a good reproduction of it, I'd agree with you. The "more colourful" one I was thinking of was File:Nuremberg_chronicles_-_Tiburnine_Sibyll_(XCIIIv).jpg. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:32, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
      • However I set up the MVR, with sportive spirit :-). --Myrabella (talk) 15:43, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
    • Do you think da Trento himself is a suitable scope for VIC? Adam Cuerden (talk) 05:17, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
      • I wouldn't say so. He isn't famous himself, except for his woodcuts after an other artist's designs, is he? --Myrabella (talk) 15:43, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Pictogram voting comment.svg Comment The mythic meeting of Caesar Augustus with the Tiburtine Sibyl later reinterpreted as a Christian theme became a favored motif of artists. Within this specific scope, I wouldn't support the nominated image for two reasons. Firstly, I am a bit reluctant to support an art work made by a not much know engraver, who did a derivated work after someone else design (or even worse, some sources even asserting that Permigianino's original designs were stolen). Secondly and focusing on the image itself, I aknowledge its quality but I would say that at the review size, one may have difficulties to understand what the Sibyl is showing (according to the caption, she points to "The Virgin Mary, with the Infant Christ in Her Lap" but it isn't so obvious) and that she shows this vision to an important figure. --Myrabella (talk) 15:43, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Reopened - may as well have this open for discussion =) --Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:52, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Scores: 
1. Antonio da Trento - The Tiburtine sibyl and the Emperor Augustus-2010: 0 <--
2. Meister der tiburtinischen Sibylle 001.jpg: -1
3. Nuremberg chronicles - Tiburnine Sibyll (XCIIIv) edit.jpg: +3
=>
File:Antonio da Trento - The Tiburtine sibyl and the Emperor Augustus.jpg: Declined. <--
File:Meister der tiburtinischen Sibylle 001.jpg: Declined.
File:Nuremberg chronicles - Tiburnine Sibyll (XCIIIv) edit.jpg: Promoted.
--Ikar.us (talk) 16:49, 15 April 2010 (UTC)