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FYI[edit]

There is a discussion at Commons talk:Picture of the day which is related to FPC. Feel free to participate there. Jee 06:00, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Unsorted[edit]

The unsorted sections in featured pictures galleries (eg: Commons:Featured_pictures/Plants#Unsorted) is growing rapidly. It will be helpful if everyone can spend sometime to move one or two to relevant sections. Jee 05:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Now I understand why you thanked me for sorting Jee!:) I had no idea you had posted this request. If I get an FP in some section and I see that there is a bunch of unsorted files, I usually take some time to tidy it up some. I thought everyone did that. cart-Talk 20:49, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Cart. The problem is not all FPC regulars watching this talk page or FP related galleries. There are a lot of background works we need to complete to keep this project efficient and useful. As 2016 is ended, the COM:POTY works will start soon. So we need to finish the works in galleries soon. Hymenoptera also have a lot of unsorted items; so pinging Iifar too. Jee 02:02, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
I just spend an hour sorting the unsorted entries in Commons:Featured_pictures/Historical, but there are so many more galleries with a lot of unsorted FPs!
Here I just ping some of the users, that I have noticed have one or more unsorted entries in the FP galleries. I urge you all to help with the sorting. If every FP user does his small share of the work, it should be done fastFace-smile.svg:
Users with many unsorted entries:
@Poco a poco, Charlesjsharp, Laitche, Llez:
User with one or a few unsorted entries (list incomplete):
@Vaido Otsar, Johann Jaritz, Moroder, Benh, Ori~:
@ArildV, Taxiarchos228, Kreuzschnabel, Halavar, Rbrechko:
@SvartKat, Мирослав Видрак, Jane3030, Martin Falbisoner, Cccefalon:
@Jacek Halicki, A.Savin, Livioandronico2013, The Photographer, Sturm:
@Laitche, Frank Schulenburg, Artemy Voikhansky, Michael Gäbler, Diliff:
@Haytem93, AWeith, Rhododendrites, Tomfriede, Aljabakphoto:
@Bgag, Joalpe, Jkadavoor, Tiithunt, XRay:
@Anatoly Mikhaltsov, Famberhorst, Uoaei1, Bernie Kohl, Hubertl:
@Wiedehopf20, Дмитро Леонтьєв, Pigsonthewing, PetarM:
@Cedomir Zarkovic, NMaia, Black Sickle, Pudelek, Яна Сычикова:
@Ppm61, C messier, Acroterion, Smial, Medium69:
-- Slaunger (talk) 12:11, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Slaunger! Fyi, for some reason the ping didn't work (at least in my case - I didn't receive any notification). --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 07:00, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the heads-up on the ping issue Martin Falbisoner. Strange. The template documentation for {{replay to}} states you may list up to five user names as arguments , and {{ping}} is just a redirect to {{reply to}}. Anyway, thanks for helping to clean up! -- Slaunger (talk) 10:50, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

I just found photo which was sorted in 2 categories, since its BW shot. So asking again, do we put BW shot into 2 cat, first is BW shot, and then up to subject on the shot ?! Jee !? I was aksing that before. I say we put them in 2. --Mile (talk) 09:51, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Mile, I'm not sure about how this is handled now. Earlier all old restored photos went to Historical; but now it seems many in people too. Black and white seems strictly for modern black and white photography. If it is also a nature or people photo, it is in scope for that galleries too. But I don't know whether they can (or need to be) included there too. (The bot will add images in only one gallery. The other addition will be by someone else to provide more visibility to the works which is not bad.) Jee 05:07, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

New gallery[edit]

Pictogram voting info.svg Info Hello, I just created a new gallery wich is Buteo jamaicensis 2 silhouette.svg Gallery of Accipitriformes (hawks, eagles, vultures and relatives). Best wishes, Christian Ferrer (talk) 06:34, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Christian Ferrer Nice work, as usual, Christian. One question. As you were making the gallery, I think this picture was promoted - a picture of a vulture. Should it not have been in your new gallery? (I can add it myself, I just want to be sure I am not misunderstanding something). -- Slaunger (talk) 08:02, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Slaunger Thanks you, yes indeed, but it is already in the gallery in the family : Accipitridae. I try to sort the images alphabetically inside each family, and this image is near the end of the familly. Christian Ferrer (talk) 08:44, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
See [1] Christian Ferrer (talk) 09:03, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
Ah, you are right Christian! Sorry for the confusion. (I am not thinking clear today - I have the flu). -- Slaunger (talk) 10:01, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Biased voting from canvassing on Slovenian WP[edit]

Agree. Mile takes good photos and many achieve FP with support from the regulars here. So I don't see why it is necessary to inflate one's FPC count by canvassing among friends. I suggest you withdraw that image, stop canvassing, and ask your biased friends to either vote neutrally at FPC or not vote at all. -- Colin (talk) 12:46, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
There is another point of view of this situation. Maybe someone (not the author) is doing conchupancia here with the aim of messing up someone's reputation, however, this is too conspiratorial theory --The Photographer 13:46, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
The canvass was done by Mile. And I wouldn't be surprised if there were similar posts for many of the previous FPC where his mates turn up to support him. -- Colin (talk) 13:48, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I can see now. I'm sorry --The Photographer 13:49, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I have looked at several previous FP nominations at Slovenian WP and they all include a link and request by Mile to come to Commons to vote. -- Colin (talk) 14:16, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Sorry guys, this isnt your home, its Wikimedia Commons. Dont make it Wikicomedia. I dont have much time, i spent it for last time. --Mile (talk) 14:01, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Christian: why should i remove, I think its perfect shot. I dont make friends here like others, i did know Poco and Case will come after Colin minus vote. I am reading between the lines. I also doubt poeple here know more than custos in a museum, who is qualified and prof in lighting. Especially per-pering votes, which tells nothing, and are made by one who doesnt put any picture, and one who make daily touristy panoramas. I havent saw nothing similar of them in a museum. --Mile (talk) 14:09, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Mile: If it a perfect shot, then why canvas so obviously on the Slovenian wiki? You are a good enough photographer to make FPs without cheating. You are just making defensive reactions avoiding to acknowledge the real problem. -- Slaunger (talk) 14:12, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Here is why i know Case will come out. Can you vote like this !? I give you plus, because one gave you minus ? "Support Per Martin and cart; also for the same reason Mile opposes. Daniel Case (talk)". I dont have problem at Year finals, because many 1000 are voting, i have more problem with some here. And i like to be more critical at voting, since a lot of "waste" come out as FP here. --Mile (talk) 14:20, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Mile: If you have an issue with a specific user and how they vote, discuss it with them. You are again avoiding the actual problem here, which is your biased canvassing. In what way should canvassing help on the problem of the FPC generating a lot of waste? Do you think there is less waste, when you canvas for support votes? -- Slaunger (talk) 14:23, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Slaunger: we will see that with time, since i havent seen one Venera which would look so good and photogenic like here. People will tell, not few medicore per-perers. So i think this shot had biased negative voting. I try to correct that. --Mile (talk) 14:31, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

I think Mile has interpreted the phrase "per Colin" as meaning that these people were inclined or encouraged to vote the same way as me, rather than just randomly happening to agree with me. I'm certainly not in communication with either Daniel or Poco, and both of them vote differently to me regularly / I oppose their nominations regularly. Mile clearly thinks that his (wrong) assumption of bias needs to be corrected by blatant abuse of the voting. This isn't just one image, but many nominations get canvassed at Slovenian WP, which gives him a 2-3 support advantage on Commons. I think that if Mile does not accept he has made a misjudgement here, and agree to stop canvassing his Commons nominations, then some kind of FPC ban for a period is going to be called for. -- Colin (talk) 15:05, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

FPC is not a competition and for this raison Mile haven't any "advantage" over others commonists. FPC is a section to learn and improve the individual photoquality while we are filling commons of hight quality images, however, the Mile's problem is that we are filling Commons with a number of images wrong evaluated beyond the nonsense of this game. I think all Mile's FP and poty finalists should be withdrawn and re-evaluated. I am sure the story would have been different without these votes. --The Photographer 15:25, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I agree it is not a competition, that's not what I meant by "advantage". I don't really support the idea of removing existing candidates. But this game has to stop now. -- Colin (talk) 16:13, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Colin, so who is checking objectivity ? Oppose votes and pers ? Who is protecting me against it ? I've told before, unless we get anonymus voting this a no-go. Objectivness, friendship, e-mail friends... Photographer i cant speak with you, since you are now sponsored with Colin help. Thats is good, but just take care what you write. --Mile (talk) 15:46, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Mile, you make a lot of bad faith allegations without any evidence. That's really not allowed and will lead to a full block unless you stop. I oppose plenty of The Photographer's nominations and he opposes quite a lot of mine. There's no cosy support-support relationship there as there appears to be with your Slovenian FP friends. -- Colin (talk) 16:13, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Colin: This isn't just one image, but many nominations get canvassed at Slovenian WP, which gives him a 2-3 support advantage on Commons. /.../ There appears to be /a relationship/ with your Slovenian FP friends.The Photographer: I am sure the story would have been different without these votes.
Please explain in detail how many nominations "get canvassed" and how much "different" would "the story" (POTY, I presume) would be without Slovene voters. Because I found many PetarM's FPCs from 2016 without any votes coming from Slovenia:
And there are quite a few 2016 nominations with only one (mine) "Slovene" vote:
I believe you should really stop spreading this from this FPC to other Mile's nominations. Yes, PetarM was pinging few user at SL:WP to inform them about the Venus from Milo voting and this was wrong. But for his previous FPCs, you exaggerate a lot. MZaplotnik (edits) 17:07, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
@MZaplotnik: Please, Could you show only a vote Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose of you in all PetarM's FPCs? --The Photographer 18:04, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
MZaplotnik, I'm not interested in whether there are some nominations where Mile didn't canvass or where sometimes canvassing didn't add many votes, or working out whether this changed the Pass/Fail. What matters is that he's canvassing regularly on Slovenian FP and this is bringing voters to Commons who (like yourself) pretty much only vote support for Mile and don't generally vote on others. Yours, romanm and Sporti's votes are obviously biased, and Verde78 are suspicious but may have another explanation. -- Colin (talk) 18:15, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Three examples:

In regard to my votes on these pages, yes, they were brought to my attention due to their mention elsewhere, but I voted only for those that I considered of a high enough quality to merit the designation of a FP. If that helps the process in any way, I don't mind having my votes stricken at the mentioned votings. --Eleassar (t/p) 20:39, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Eleassar, while your participation at FPC does seem limited only to Mile's nominations, and to just a few votes, you are also one to vote oppose: Commons:Featured picture candidates/Set/Ljubljana Cathedral Altar and Cupola ceiling. This, together with your comment about striking votes, makes me believe you wish not only to be fair but to be seen to be fair. And that is an honourable thing. -- Colin (talk) 21:35, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Colin, what are you saing ? They must not vote ? They should not vote all together ? Picture is failry FP, and i wasnt 2014 member on SL.Wiki, but since 2015. --Mile (talk) 18:41, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Colin i think you are hunting a ghost, year or two ago you were connecting me with user from Serbian Wikipedia. --Mile (talk) 18:56, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Colin: I think there is a difference between the case that triggered this and the three previous cases you refer to directly above. The case triggering this discussion was a case where a clear pre-bias was made in the solicitng of votes. Assuming the machine translated "The picture is very good, the lighting is good and gives expression sculpture. Mal support to Commons would be good." is just approximately correct. Mile is not only trying to recruit unbiased voters here, but he is seeding such voters with a pre-defined opinion. That is completely unacceptable!!! And I am appaled he does not realize so himself. In contrast in the three cases you mention above, the canvassing consists in the two first cases of a very neutral informative note that there is a vote at Commons on the same picture more or less. There are no explictly biased or appraising words from PetarM in these two cases. And for the third, I cannot see any canvassing taking place. So, I think you are trying to make this worse than it actually is. Obviously, once all the Slovenian users support the nominations on the Slovenian wiki, it is of course to be expected that most solicited votes from there will also vote support here on Commons. I do not think we have a policy on Commons that explicitly prohibits unbiased soliting of opinions from sister projects - we are interconnected after all, but in any event you risk it will backfire, and if the canvassing is biased, it will backfire severely.
Recently we discussed on this very page if this page should be used to place a notification if FPC users were reported on any of the drama boards. It was agreed that it was OK, if the referring note was made in a completely neutral language to avoid pre-bias. That is also canvassing. The FPC community members have a highler likelihood of wanting to defend a fellow FPC user on the drama boards than to go against them. If we still stand by that decision, I do not see the big difference and the big problem as long as the canvassing is done with a 100% unbiased wording.
Biased wording was an issue in the FPC triggering this, but I fail to see a similar past pattern. -- Slaunger (talk) 19:16, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I agree this one case was worse in explicitly asking for support. (btw, the third example contains a link back to the active Commons FP). And Mile admits he did this because of some perceived bad faith voting here on Commons, for which there is no evidence. But the previous canvassing is resulting in voters who nearly universally come here to support Mile and are not interested in determining "the finest on Commons" but on supporting Mile (or Slovenian photographers). It is clear therefore that linking to the Commons nomination while making a Slovenian one is giving Mile some easy votes from his fellow Slovenian Wikipedians. There is no need for this. Mile can gain his FPs without this by his own talent. I don't accept the "We have no policy against this on Commons" argument, Slaunger, because that doesn't really have any weight. We have no policy against a lot of undesirable things. Commons tends to avoid making policy and for good reason as it is very hard to come up with a rule that is fair/useful in all cases. Here the pattern is clearly undesirable. It is not desirable to have users at FP who's purpose turning up that day is to support a friend or a nation's photographers. I think the solution here (aside from any block/ban) is to require Mile to nominate FPs on both sites at separate, non-overlapping periods, and for there to be no cross linking. This removes the doubt that votes have been encouraged from the other site. I cannot think of a good reason why this should not be acceptable to Mile, nor can I think of any other user who actually does this kind of cross promotion on other FPs. And his Slovenian voters reminded that FP here is for all of Commons, and that bias towards or against individuals, nationalities, genders, etc, etc, is not acceptable. By all means have a preference for birds, or castles, or portraits, but not this. -- Colin (talk) 20:03, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Colin. You are right, there was a link in the third nomination, sorry about that. Also a fair thing to bring up that there are many aspects of Commons life we do not have policies for. But I still quite do not get, is it then not also canvassing to put a neutral note on this talk page if an FPC user is reported on one of the drama boards. And why is that OK, if a neutral note from one wiki to another is not OK? -- Slaunger (talk) 20:17, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I think this is why it is so hard to determine a policy/rule that covers all situation. Canvassing per se isn't always bad. But I note that the proposal you mentioned was not supported by me (though I acknowledged the problem of FPC-regulars not being aware of other Commons issues that may affect them) nor was it supported by a large number. The "proof of the pudding is in the eating". I'm sure if Jee's proposal resulted in a lot of biased votes/comments at AN/U then it would be called into question too. en:Wikipedia:Canvassing (although not policy here) has some good advice/definitions. It isn't just about whether the note is neutral but whether the audience of your note is likely to vote one way or another. Since we know that posting links at Slovenian FP encourages only support votes at Commons FP from Slovenian FP participants, it is clear that this form of canvassing is unacceptable and should stop. -- Colin (talk) 21:23, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

It is really sad to me finding out that you, Mile, have to call for help this way to try at any cost to get the FP star. While you are a talented photographer you are also a cheater. And please, don't try to deviate the attention affirming things like Daniel, Colin or me are targeting you. On the other side it is really curious to see that in my last 3 FPCs that were or are going to be promoted all supported but you. I'd like to keep assuming good faith but that's really hard after seeing the set of tools you put in place here. Poco2 20:20, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Poc; Poco, you are there top on the list of Unsorted, i wish you spent more time with this, stop nominating each minute when last is over, and more to work on software to improve your shots. Most od 10-12am point and shoot panos are far from FP for me. Improve your skills. --Mile (talk) 20:32, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Again, we are here discussing about what to do with your cheating, it is not about me, Colin, Daniel or Jimbo! Poco2 21:15, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
  • @PetarM: You asked me "why should i remove?", don't you see the reaction of all regulars? You can decide yourself to go in the same direction of the community, we search the finest images. Are you sure your image is? If you do not trust us maybe you should not participate here.
    As far I see with the links provided by Colin, the canvassing has been done not only by Mile but by at least 3 or 4 other users, one may thought that Mile simply followed an established and current practice. It alleviates things a little regarding Mile, but it is still a problem. And I also saw that the canvassings were every times during nominations in an other project, maybe should we demand in our rules that the images nominated here to to be not nominated anywhere else during the process. Christian Ferrer (talk) 21:42, 9 January 2017 (UTC) this is unfeasible as we can not watch all projects! Christian Ferrer (talk) 21:44, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
It will be hard for us to not suspect the votes of some users in the future nominations of Mile. How to deal with this? not count the votes of thoses users during 6 month when they votes on Mile's nominations? That could be a solution, but we have to decide precisely here who are thoses users and to notify them about that. Christian Ferrer (talk) 22:10, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Christian Ferrer A valid requirement to vote in FPC could be that the user has obtained at least a quality image and uploaded at least 5 images (quality or not) in the last month. --The Photographer 22:23, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
QIC is different, and some people might not be interested in it. I think requiring at least 2 submissions to either FPC, QIC or VIC would be sufficient, though I'll note that would have made me ineligible to vote for a while. That might not have been a bad thing, though. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:18, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, activity requirements don't make sense. For admins we want to make sure they keep up to date with policies, but here we just need to make sure voters are qualified to judge a photo on its merits, which doesn't go away with time. -- King of ♠ 05:12, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
  • A simply requirement: please use your own vote. --Alchemist-hp (talk) 22:49, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes indeed, and as a two-thirds majority of supports is needed, the next potential votes the Slovene community on Mile's nominations will be a heavy handicap to bear for Mile. Christian Ferrer (talk) 05:47, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Solution: make it anonymus. Nothing other will be good enough. --Mile (talk) 07:02, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Action?[edit]

I know it's disagreeable to renew discussion of this incident, but has any action been proposed? If so, please link the thread here. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

  • In my opinion, no I don't think an action is needed, or that it have been proposed , I think Mile well understood the community don't appreciate this "canvassing", and that supports coming from Slovene community will attract now too much attention, and will be sanctioned in a way (oppose votes) or another. We are all happy to see Mile's photos, nominations and contributions. Now let's see the future. Christian Ferrer (talk) 17:12, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Commons to my is a familiar like environment and it's difficult see people lying and cheating with nonsense. If no action is taken, quite possibly this situation will be repeated. He has not only given signs of the least repentance and especially for his disrespect and mockery towards some members here. I think FPC temporal banning to Mile could work --The Photographer 18:43, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
  • This discussion is a kind of "warning", if the problem is repeated with Mile's nominations it will be time to think at about potential reactions on our part. Christian Ferrer (talk) 18:55, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Earlier, I had detected many similar unexpected voting patterns and warned (friendly) those involved. Sometimes, these can be a flow of votes from a particular language community, sometimes an unexpected over-activity from a group from IRC or list where probably a nomination is discussed. If the votes are invalid (from new login or less than 50 edits), we can disqualify such edits. In other cases, it is difficult to take an action due to lack of solid evidence. But we can be alert and use this talk page to attract more eyes. And an oppose vote will well serve as it is double weighted. (I was away when this happened and wondered why I missed those early incidents. I usually scrutiny all votes from newcomers when I've enough time. Request more people to do so.) Jee 03:44, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I agree with The Photographer that Mille has not indicated any acceptance of wrongdoing, coupled with a lot of bad faith assumptions about the oppose votes he gets. To me this suggests Mille has not learned and may well continue canvassing some of his nominations (he didn't canvass them all). I don't think there is any reason why Mille should nominate images at Solvenian WP FP and at Commons at the same time, with cross links, therefore I request he stops this practice. It has clearly led to extra support from his home wiki. In future he should nominate separately with no advertisement. This isn't much of a limitation since nobody else at Commons FP does that. Where this isn't followed, then a notice can be placed on the FPC nomination and we can decide if action is required then. Mille is a good photographer and deserves to get FPs, and can do so fairly like everyone else. -- Colin (talk) 10:59, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Not a problem, i wont put on FP list (SI,EN,COM) on same week, i can wait for a week-two. I dont rush, it was more a habbit. --Mile (talk) 18:26, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Further games[edit]

Sadly, Mile has not learned a lesson and continues to play games on Commons. This time over copyright. At Commons:Featured picture candidates/File:Bankote portrait pattern (Intaglio printing).jpg several users asked him to name the country/currency in order to determine the copyright status. He refused, saying "who told you i had to name the money, thats is why de minimis exist. Name it." Challenging users to identify the country first. He eventually relented and added a category. However, on the Deletion request his throwing insults with "Are you OK ?" (which is not concern for my health and happiness, but a claim that I've lost my mind). Opinions? Cheating at FPC and then obstructing copyright investigations... time for AN/U and a block? -- Colin (talk) 15:33, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

His English is very poor (as far as I know); and in my experience, people having language difficulty always run into troubles compared to others. So better ignore the tone to some extend. (A DR is not a vote like FPC; the closing admin only care the merits of arguments. So better leave it after expressing our opinion.) Jee 16:06, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
I don't think English language difficulties are to blame here. There's no need for rudeness and obstruction. -- Colin (talk) 16:49, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
See for example his comments here. It is very difficult to follow. Jee 16:59, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
I can understand rudeness in any language, and so can Mile. -- Colin (talk) 17:13, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

My edit at 08:16, before you came in : p.S. Its not American, its Chinese rinminbi. I was more answer to INeverCry, since you werent there yet. After what i ask Help desk, reply was its de minimis. I wasnt sure if something which goes under de minimis should be Categorized as whole money. Since "not identifiable" statement. So question; can i identify money if i go de minimis is normal. I didnt get the answer but now find out its not de minimis, so deletation can be done. I also removed FP nominee before i know that, since some doubts were there. I dont want to loose time with you. And you would like to block. For me, all fine. You keep with blocking procedure. --Mile (talk) 17:30, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Mile, I wrote "You still haven't categorised the image to indicate what banknote and what country it is from" and this was true when I wrote it. Stop playing this game, it just makes you look bad. At FPC you are required, on the File Description Page, to identify the subject (you still haven't said it is a One Yuan note) and to properly categorise it. This information is also required for the DR. The "de minis" argument does not require you to be secretive about the identification, nor for you to be rude to me about timestamps and who said what when. A "PS" comment on FPC does not count for FPC or DR. You seem to know what "categorised" means, so Jee's argument that you don't understand doesn't hold. You are simply being insulting, and obstructive. -- Colin (talk) 18:45, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

I will take some semi-pause, removed from comments etc, since some was already problematic there with comments on other FP nominee, become to spamming photo for nonsense there... so, will stay out of comments for some time. Come and go once per week-two will be enough. --Mile (talk) 19:18, 16 January 2017 (UTC)