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Wiki Science Competition[edit]

If you want to use Montage for WSC, add your country name and your login(s) in the table below:

Country Name Jury Coordinator Status Link to Campaign
International User:Alexmar983 ✓  Done
Italy User:Alexmar983 ✓  Done
Ireland User:Smirkybec ✓  Done
Czech Republic User:Jklamo ✓  Done
Brazil User:Chicocvenancio ✓  Done
Spain User:Rubén_Ojeda_(WMES) ✓  Done
Serbia User:Jaradakovic ✓  Done https://tools.wmflabs.org/montage/#/campaign/78-wiki-science-competition-2017-serbia
Germany User:Alexmar983 ✓  Done https://tools.wmflabs.org/montage/#/campaign/79-wiki-science-competition-2017-germany
Belgium User:Alexmar983 ✓  Done https://tools.wmflabs.org/montage/#/campaign/80-wiki-science-competition-2017-belgium
India User:Alexmar983 ✓  Done https://tools.wmflabs.org/montage/#/campaign/81-wiki-science-competition-2017-india
Iran User:Alexmar983 ✓  Done https://tools.wmflabs.org/montage/#/campaign/82-wiki-science-competition-2017-iran
China User:Alexmar983 ✓  Done https://tools.wmflabs.org/montage/#/campaign/83-wiki-science-competition-2017-china
Romania User:Alexmar983 ✓  Done https://tools.wmflabs.org/montage/#/campaign/84-wiki-science-competition-2017-romania
France User:Alexmar983 ✓  Done https://tools.wmflabs.org/montage/#/campaign/97-wiki-science-competition-2017-france
Greece User:Alexmar983 ✓  Done https://tools.wmflabs.org/montage/#/campaign/98-wiki-science-competition-2017-greece
Egypt User:Alexmar983 ✓  Done https://tools.wmflabs.org/montage/#/campaign/100-wiki-science-competition-2017-egypt
Poland User:Alexmar983 ✓  Done https://tools.wmflabs.org/montage/#/campaign/101-wiki-science-competition-2017-poland
Saudi Arabia User:Alexmar983 ✓  Done https://tools.wmflabs.org/montage/#/campaign/103-wiki-science-competition-2017-saudi-arabia
Georgia User:Alexmar983 ✓  Done https://tools.wmflabs.org/montage/#/campaign/104-wiki-science-competition-2017-georgia

International campaign and more[edit]

@Alexmar983: It's exciting to see a new place Montage will be helpful. :) Thanks for your requests. Can you let me know by when you need these campaigns set up? Also, is there a page on wiki that you are aware of that shows the start and end date and time of these campaigns? This way, I can use the information in that page when creating your campaigns. --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 06:45, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

I have some experience with montage as a juror, and I asked many questions also to the guy in charge of the process so I think I know enough, and this would work smoothly. To answer your question, ending dates are listed here but most of the countries without juries will have few uploads so we will probably do them manually. I guess I will probably ask you to use montage for only one or two big countries after Dec, 1st and Italy, that's for sure, after dec, 15th.--Alexmar983 (talk) 07:55, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
Ops LilyOfTheWest I cut the first sentence of my edit where I was pinging you and thanking you. So thank you, and here is the ping.--Alexmar983 (talk) 07:57, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
This all sounds good. Just a heads up that I will go on vacation starting December 16, and while I may check here or my email, I can't guarantee availability. If you want me to set up a campaign for you before I leave, please let me know a few days before that date. And, happy to hear that you already know your way around Montage. :) --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 05:27, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
@Alexmar983: Campaign international and Campaign Italy are both ready. Please go over the instructions carefully, especially when it comes to setting the beginning and end time of your campaigns. You can exclude photos unintentionally if you don't pay attention to details there. Good luck, and ping if you have questions. --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 00:47, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@Jklamo: @Smirkybec: Thanks for signing up to use Montage. Can you let me know a bit more about this contest? At the very least, it's good for us to know when you would like to start the voting and by when you expect your jury's work to be done? This information can help us set up the campaigns for you, but also make sure we don't schedule any major maintenance for the tool until your work is over. Thanks! --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 02:59, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

For the Czech Republic, uploading end today and the jury will work this week. --Jklamo (talk) 16:01, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
@Jklamo: Your campaign is ready. Please go over the instructions carefully, especially when it comes to setting the beginning and end time of your campaigns. You can exclude photos unintentionally if you don't pay attention to details there. Good luck, and ping if you have questions. --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 00:42, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
Thank you LilyOfTheWest I'll read carefully the instruction this week end. the deadline under the titles "1 Nov 2017 - 28 Nov 2017" are not correct, but I don't think this is an issue. I will start with some countries without jury and more than 50 pictures such as Germany and Greece.--Alexmar983 (talk) 05:14, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
LilyOfTheWest I postponed everything on the 15th for a longer upload and we are ready to start even tomorrow but please notice that "international" means more than one campaign (the table is a work in progress). So considering I have to make practice I'd like to start with a campaign for one of the countries where all the jurors are expert users, and have also used montage in the past. Can we start with Germany? Can you create that, I can give it to users who are all expert of he mechanism of the tool. Also, since the files are imported from a Commons category I would like to be sure if this applies or not to subcategories. So if a create a category of "unsuitable" submissions to reduce the workflow to the jurors, when I select the file in the country-level category Category:Images from Wiki Science Competition 2017 in Italy they won't include those in Category:Obviously_ineligible_submissions_for_WSC_2017_in_Italy, am I right?--Alexmar983 (talk) 07:17, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
@Alexmar983: I see. that was a misunderstanding on my end then. I will delete that campaign if the tool allows me. How many countries do you expect to need a campaign for? (And yes, we can start from Germany). --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 04:36, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
User talk:LilyOfTheWest don't delete them. I have both an Italian campaign (waiting to know the last juror username to start it) and an international one, on Category:Images_from_Wiki_Science_Competition_2017_in_the_rest_of_the_world (which ends on December, 31st). But we will have other countries... like Germany or India the problem is that with 80 countries under my jurisdiction I cannot make you a list from the beginning, I have to use the tool once and than decide on which ones of the other countries I will use it or not, depending on how fast it was compared to the manual option based on the files I see in those categories. So, the use depend on the amount of files to analyze and to know that, I need an answer to this question: if I remove the unsuitable files to a subcategory will the tool read them or not? it's the example I did you above, If I put the terrible files myself in Category:Obviously_ineligible_submissions_for_WSC_2017_in_Italy the jurors for Category:Images from Wiki Science Competition 2017 in Italy won't see them?--Alexmar983 (talk) 04:51, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
@Alexmar983: Ok, no deleting of the international campaign then. I was confused by your use-case. I'll leave it there. Regarding your question: You will provide the category that the tool should read from as an input to the round 1 for each campaign. If you provide Category:Images from Wiki Science Competition 2017 in Italy as the "seed" category, all photos in that category will be read. There are a few ways you can exclude photos the way you are doing it now for Montage:
  • You can create a list of files that are eligible and have montage read those files as entry files to your round 1. Depending on how many files you have, this can be a lengthy process (some minutes).
  • You can add an "eligible" category to the photos that are eligible, and have montage read the eligible photos using this new category.
  • You can read all photos in Montage using a category such as Category:Images from Wiki Science Competition 2017 in Italy. Then in the tool, you can create a Round 0 as a Yes/No round and you can set yourself as the juror. Then, you can use the tool and give No to any photo that you want to exclude. You can then create Round 1 with all photos that received Yes from you in Round 0. I like this approach the best as it keeps all the voting in one place. The Yes/No voting is also relatively fast in the tool.
Which method you choose is your call. Let me know if this answers your question. --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 20:57, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

LilyOfTheWest I suspect your "solved" tags probably made this section archived while they were new requests... the bot removed my update few hours after I put it. In any case, there is still work to organize. Not sure about one or two final countries for the table... I only have two hands, this can't be all smooth, it's a lot of diluted work coordinating many people, sorry. I will at least another week to be 100% sure.

In addition to that, there is the very final main international jurors duty in one month or later. Such duty however will be split in 5 categories so in five different competitions. I try to keep it simple, so I will ask it to you LilyOfTheWest in a totally different thread.--Alexmar983 (talk) 08:33, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

LilyOfTheWest the bot keeps removing it, please hurry up! :D--Alexmar983 (talk) 10:18, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
@LilyOfTheWest: hmm. :D sorry about it. I think I used the template by mistake. I assumed that it can be applied to subsections, but it seems it archives the whole section as long as it appears somewhere in the section. I will remove all requests for archival by the bot so we can work on this section at peace. Sorry about the semi-mess. --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 18:36, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
No problem... that is not the worst "problem" I found on my way in these last two months... not at all.--Alexmar983 (talk) 03:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Ireland[edit]

@Smirkybec: Your campaign [ready]. Please go over the instructions carefully, especially when it comes to setting the beginning and end time of your campaigns. You can exclude photos unintentionally if you don't pay attention to details there. Good luck, and ping if you have questions. --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 00:42, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi @LilyOfTheWest:, thank you so much! At the moment Ireland only has 43 images uploaded, so there is a good chance we won't need Montage now. If we do I should be able to spot when images are missing, I've checked that page so much, I know the images well at this point. Thanks again! Smirkybec (talk) 13:03, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Brazil[edit]

LilyOfTheWest It would be nice to use Montage for the Brazilian jury as well. Chico Venancio (talk) 00:06, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

@Chicocvenancio: sorry that we couldn't help you when you requested help. We could add a campaign for you but we didn't have capacity to provide support if something would have gone wrong. Now I have some more time to help you if it's still helpful for you. I understand that you needed it then and it may be too late now, but I figured to least tell you we are available now. --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 22:38, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
LilyOfTheWest It actually is, due to a personal problem I was unable to organize the jury selection and I think montage would ease the necessary work. Thank you very much. Chico Venancio (talk) 16:39, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
@Chicocvenancio: Your campaign is ready. Please go over the instructions very carefully (I can't overemphasize this. Things can go wrong without you getting an error about them if you don't follow them carefully), especially when it comes to setting the beginning and end time of your campaigns. You can exclude photos unintentionally if you don't pay attention to details there. Good luck, and ping if you have questions. --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 14:42, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
LilyOfTheWest Is there a way to add a juror to a round after it has started? Or to recreate it keeping the already ratings in the images? Somehow I left out a juror in the round. Thanks for the help. Chico Venancio (talk) 17:46, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
@Chicocvenancio: You can add a juror and the tasks left will be reassigned. Note that you cannot control which juror gets how many new tasks, so some of your jurors who have finished their work will likely get more tasks assigned to them which you may not want. I check your round 1 and quorum is set to 2. This means you can remove the jurors who have finished their voting and add the new juror after that step. The votes of the jurors you remove will remain in the system, so don't worry about that. --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 05:35, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Serbia[edit]

@Jaradakovic: Your campaign is ready. Please go over the instructions carefully, especially when it comes to setting the beginning and end time of your campaigns. You can exclude photos unintentionally if you don't pay attention to details there. Good luck, and ping if you have questions. --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 19:40, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Saudi Arabia[edit]

Hi LilyOfTheWest the local organizers told us they haven't done any selelction, I need to do quickly also this country. Can you create it? Thank you. --Alexmar983 (talk) 13:19, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

LilyOfTheWest I have informed the jurors, as soon as you give me the campaign I can start. Thanks.--Alexmar983 (talk) 14:27, 6 May 2018 (UTC)--Alexmar983 (talk) 14:27, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Slaporte I ping you too... just in case.--Alexmar983 (talk) 21:00, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
@Alexmar983: Very sorry for the delay. Please check the table. ✓  Done
Thank you LilyOfTheWest, please give me also Georgia and I hope this is the last one (seriously, I was not supposed to do these new ones originally...)--Alexmar983 (talk) 23:43, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
@Alexmar983: Done. Please check the table above. --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 05:13, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Georgia[edit]

Slaporte, LilyOfTheWest It seems I need also this campaign, thanks in advance.--Alexmar983 (talk) 12:38, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Deleted pictures[edit]

Hello, during the evaluation of picture for Wiki Science Competition, I had to evaluate a picture that did not show up (the picture was continuously loading). I understood later that this picture had been deleted. Does Montage manage such behaviour properly? Pamputt (talk) 08:48, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Not quite yet, we're working on addressing this. You can subscribe to this issue on github if you want to track the feature. For now, you can just skip the file if it does not load. Slaporte (talk) 08:50, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
I was also going to point out, it's my list of final feedbacks...--Alexmar983 (talk) 08:21, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

xls summary[edit]

Hi, I want to point out that with my very very new PC with Windows 10 and office package, the downloaded xls files is unusable, because the columns do not discriminate the data, it is all one row as text. On my old MAC with an old MS office package, no problem! The table is very clear, the name of files and the data of each jurors on one column, as it should be.--Alexmar983 (talk) 08:42, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

@Yarl: is this related to front-end? --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 18:38, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

impossible to save "description" text together with the rest[edit]

Hi, I have seen this happening consistently. When I save a 2nd or 3rd round (not sure about the 1st) the first time I click on "save" (before you can activate, the first creation) whatever I have written in the description just vanishes. it saves everything in a bulk but such text. I have than to re-edit the round, than I finally activate it. It's not a big deal, I simply copy and paste or don't write anything before saving the first time, but I am quite sure it is a bug. I think it occurs on all my computers, but for sure I remember this happening clearly on Firefox for windows 10.--Alexmar983 (talk) 11:24, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Non-Latin alphabets[edit]

The tool does not import decently namefile in Arabic or Greek on xls, in some countries I have a problem to understand the finalist... i have to ask the jurors what they vote to be sure.--Alexmar983 (talk) 12:09, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

bug with third round[edit]

LilyOfTheWest we have a big problem with my current Iran campaign... since yesterday it creates me no usable round... it seems all fine but when jurors try to open it, nothing works! I see 31 imported files in the summary under their name, they see nothing at all!--Alexmar983 (talk) 12:13, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

@Alexmar983: It's not clear to me why your jurors are not able to vote.
@Yarl: can you look into this soon?

--LilyOfTheWest (talk) 18:26, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

LilyOfTheWest there are a lot of files with long non-Latin titles (maybe a "buffer" problem?) but this was true also with the other steps. that is the only "difference" i can think about! In any case feel free to recreate it yourself just to see if this changes something. I did it four times with four different combination of OS and browsers, than I gave up. The problems was shared by three different jurors, so it was not "local".--Alexmar983 (talk) 03:15, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
I saw another additional juror with no photo, I asked around, still frozen... reacreated... still froze. Should be starta again from zero LilyOfTheWest?--Alexmar983 (talk) 15:30, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
@Yarl:@Slaporte: can you look into this? --LilyOfTheWest (talk) 02:27, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
@Yarl: was the one who add his name as a juror... but still it wasn't working. Really, should we create it again from zero? it's not a solution but the juror are expert now so they can revote quickly.--Alexmar983 (talk) 08:31, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

@LilyOfTheWest:, @Yarl:@Slaporte:... if you don't know how to solve it I need a third phase because I cannot understand the name of the file the way they are exported, a need a limited number to understand which is which. Please give me another for iran, we restart...I am losing too much time here.--Alexmar983 (talk) 12:34, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

File does not open on commons because of "?" in title[edit]

It's not a big deal (it is not very common) but file as such this one cannot be open because the link does not read the code"%3F" but remains "?", so it opens this error message.--Alexmar983 (talk) 15:30, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

this file also does not open through Montage.--Alexmar983 (talk) 11:19, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Replace a name[edit]

Hi @LilyOfTheWest:, @Yarl:@Slaporte:, a juror does not vote and I need to go further. Is it possible to remove it? Or change it with another user?--Alexmar983 (talk) 12:36, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

ok he voted right yesterday, this remains a theoretical question.--Alexmar983 (talk) 04:11, 14 February 2018 (UTC)