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February themes[edit]

And once again it's time to think about new themes... Lesekreis and Myrabella, as the November winners you'd perhaps like to decide on one topic each?
If possible, it would be great if we could start translations a few days before the end of the month...
Best wishes, Anna reg (talk) 10:46, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

oh, that's great ;-) I prefer Black and White or Fine feathers make fine birds We should change only some sample images to thematize especially the carnival. I also think that it would be a nice theme for February, but i don´t know whether carnival is celebrated everywhere?! Greetings Lesekreis (talk) 18:48, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
As Fasching also means ball season, I could easily imagine including every form of dressing up - that should also open up possibilities to regions were Carnival isn't important... Anna reg (talk) 12:00, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
i agree, then we just need some additional photos and maybe need to replace some. Do we need two new topics in February? Lesekreis (talk) 14:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Hello and thank you for the ping! I also propose Curves and spirals plus an already suggested theme, Up and down. Cheers,--Myrabella (talk) 07:10, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Great - and thanks for the fast response, Myrabella! Any comments regarding the four suggested themes, @Colin, HelenOnline, Llann Wé², El Grafo, Lesekreis:? After all, we should still narrow those four suggestions down to two (at the most three) themes... (and perhaps start the descriptions)
Here are the links (I added curves and spirals - feel free to change/remove pictures I found for the sample gallery!)
  1. Black and White
  2. Curves and spirals
  3. Dressing up
  4. Up and down
Best wishes, Anna reg (talk) 10:53, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Symbol support vote.svg Support B&W + Curves & spirals. --Llann .\m/ (Lie 2 me ...) 12:29, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
I'd favour B&W + Curves & spirals as well. Cheers, --El Grafo (talk) 13:16, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, those two look good. I'd caution against fancy theme names like "Fine feathers make fine birds" rather than "Dressing up" because it is hard enough translating and making the themes clear without adding idioms. -- Colin (talk) 15:20, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm a bit undecided here, as I do agree that all four themes sound interesting (and Curves and spirals was clearly chosen before up and down), but I do prefer the connection the Dressing up theme has with February (not exclusively, thus giving options to everyone) to Black and White, which probably will be chosen again soon enough, as it is a classical theme... I'm asking Lesekreis to decide, as both themes were her suggestions...
Could somebody else prepare the new challenge pages this evening (you can use one of this months challenges or User:HelenOnline/sandbox/Photo challenge template as a template) and give our translators the links for the new themes? I'm not feeling that well at the moment and probably won't be much in the internet in the next few days... sorry - I'll ping them to this discussion and give you their names in one go (af: HelenOnline, de: El Grafo could probably do it, es: Ganímedes, fa: Ormazda, fr: Llann Wé² - probably noticed already, hu: Einstein2‎, it: Pottercomuneo, pt: Teles, ru: Okras, sv: WikiPhoenix, uk: Mykola Swarnyk)
Best wishes and good luck! ;-> Anna reg (talk) 13:43, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

If we're going for the "fine feathers" theme (I'm fine with that as well as it might give me the chance to shoot a roll of film before the B&W challenge ;-)), I think we should listen to User:Colin and choose a simpler name like "dressing up". I should be able to do the German translation, but I'm pretty busy irl atm so I won't promise anything. --El Grafo (talk) 17:34, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
super - then we can start with the translations for "Dressed up" and "Curves and spirals". I have changed the name of my favorite subject. Looking forward to the new challenge and certainly hope that you also enjoy it. Lesekreis (talk) 18:18, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm OK. Please don't forget to give the link here for translations, it'll be kind of you. Thanks. --Llann .\m/ (Lie 2 me ...) 01:21, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

I've done the three voting pages. Are there some challenges for submission for February? -- Colin (talk) 22:46, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

I've just prepared Curves and spirals and Dressing up as the new challenge pages. The links for the February Watchlist notice in Helen's sandbox should be (mostly) correct - the translations still have to be done.
Best wishes, Anna reg (talk) 11:49, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Edit problems[edit]

I'm unable to post images to this month's theme - Curves and Spiral. Its giving me an error - You tried to edit a section that does not exist. It may have been moved or deleted while you were viewing the page. It would be great if someone can look into this. -- Kiran Ravikumar 06:45, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

@Kiranravikumar: That happens for some reason when you click the "edit" button next to Challenges open for submission. Just scroll down a bit and use the edit button next to "entries" or just click here. hope that helps, --El Grafo (talk) 09:32, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
I tried also, it's the same message, I want to modify (no import photo) the title for the section 4.2 2015 because it is written in french « Courbes et spirales », it's the same title as above for the section 4.1 2015 . Regards --Doalex (talk) 09:38, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Mmmh, the link I gave above doesn't work for me anymore either, but if you go to the challenge page at Commons:Photo_challenge/2015_-_February_-_Curves_and_spirals and click on "edit" there it should work certainly? --El Grafo (talk) 09:52, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Oh, sorry - I know what the Problem is... the link changes with each translation realised (as we also translate the title, thus creating new sections). One more reason why it's problematic if we start the translations only when the page is already used. The link works for now, but I'll change the link on the image to the whole page, as I think that at least one more translation will be done... Anna reg (talk) 11:48, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello Anna, obviously the section "4.1 2015 – Februar – Kurven und Spiralen" was damaged. The link [Bearbeiten] is missing (see "Bold text====Entries===="). IMHO is this the cause why you can not submit images. LG --F. Riedelio (talk) 14:00, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean, F. Riedelio, but perhaps the problem was solved before I saw the page. But as I do think that there won't be further translations, I changed the To submit pictures please follow this link-link back to editing the selected section. Oh, I think I just saw what you mean - the edit link doesn't appear on the translated pages, which is very strange - but I have no idea if the problem is new or not... (as you say 'broken', do you know if the German page had the 'edit/bearbeiten'-link?)
I just wrote about the problem at the translator's noticeboard, but I'm not sure if that's the correct place... Anna reg (talk) 08:49, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello Anna, the error has been corrected already on 02/10/2015. My contribution to the discussion refers to the version of 02/10/2015 at 14:09 of the Photo_challenge. --F. Riedelio (talk) 08:13, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Curves and spirals entry Hortensie als Strudel.jpg[edit]

moved to an own section since it doesn't seem to be related to the edit problems --El Grafo (talk) 15:28, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Llann .\m/ - 2015 – February – Curves and spirals: this edit

Hortensie als Strudel.jpg

is to be invalid for to use filter ? --Doalex (talk) 10:15, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

No reply, for this commment ? I think that it's too easy to put flowers or objects with spiral effect. --Doalex (talk) 14:23, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm really not sure what to think about that entry and therefore would propose a 'wait and see' approach. Colin, El Grafo, HelenOnline: any opinions? --Anna reg (talk) 15:23, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Well, on the one hand this is a photo(graphy) challenge, not a post processing challenge. But on the other hand, we can't completely prohibit post processing, because smaller amounts of post processing are often necessary. So where to draw the line between acceptable/necessary amount of processing and too much processing? At the moment I'd tend to just leave it up to the voters to decide for themselves. --El Grafo (talk) 15:35, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Dressing-up topic : "cosplayers" or storefronts ???[edit]

Hi all.

Pasted from Anna reg's TK:

Should we let users submitt dressed-up "dummies" (I don't know the right word) : this one or this other ? I don't think the topics allows that ; only for people should be better : a dummy coud be dressed-up in a store just to sell some clothes so it's not the festive view of the theme.
May be I should ask that on the talk page... --Llann .\m/ (Lie 2 me ...) 15:55, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
As we added accessories (masks, headgear, hairstyles, wigs or make-up), I'm not sure if people are necessary to fit the theme... I'd be fine with them - it doesn't seem as if we'll get too many entries in this one...
Best wishes, Anna reg (talk) 16:20, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
In the sample images we don't have dummies... It's easier to shot storefronts (happyly some are awsome) then chasing cosplayers... Let's see the numbers of entries but that doesn't please me. --Llann .\m/ (Lie 2 me ...) 02:46, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

I still don't think we have anything to fear - as most seem to post images of people (and some of them are really impressing), the few pictures of dummies and store fronts really don't bother me... Anna reg (talk) 11:24, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

March themes[edit]

Ganímedes just asked me, if the discussion for the March themes is already opened - it is now. And this month we don't have any winners to decide (as there were no challenges for voting in January).
I'll thus open the discussion by reminding you of the last not chosen possibilities and add the suggestion posted on my talk page yesterday. I would further like to ask that somebody else prepairs the challenges this month, as I'm a bit occupied at the moment and fear that I won't have much time to help with the organisation of next months challenges... (it will be better after the 5th, but that's a bit late... ;->).

  1. Black and White Lesekreis' second suggestion for February, which was highly favoured and passed over only because Lesekreis and I both preferred the more seasonal 'Dressing up')
  2. Lodges (wooden hut, hiking hut, mud hut, mountain hut, doghouse, refuge...) F. Riedelio's second suggestion for January
  3. steps, stairs and staircases
  4. Up and down Myrabella's second suggestion for February

Other themes that were suggested/worked out in 2015 are Back side (sounds interesting), Beginning and End, Diagonals (interesting, but for me a bit too similar to curves and spirals for March), Eyes, Food production, processing and consumption, In action, Mother Nature strikes back, Numbers, Traditional professions, Wheels, and Winter weather.
Hope that helps for the decision making proces... ;->
Best wishes, Anna reg (talk) 11:19, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I go for Black and White and steps, stairs and staircases. Thanks. --Ganímedes (talk) 11:52, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
As Anna, I won't be vacant for the next weeks because of work (on the road all week long) and I'm not sure I'll have enought time during the wekends (my watchlists will be full!). I'll see... --Llann .\m/ (Lie 2 me ...) 18:58, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
@Colin, HelenOnline, Lesekreis, El Grafo: Some comments? Should we go with Ganímedes decision - as he was the only one to propose one? Ganímedes, do you think you could manage to set up the new challenge pages? I'll try to help, but I really don't know if I'll find the time...
Best wishes, Anna reg (talk) 20:30, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Both themes sound good. We need to clarify if b&w means the photo is literally a b&w photo or is a colour photo of something with black and white (such as one's cat). My preference would be a b&w photo. I'm quite busy with User talk:Jkadavoor/campaign to raise funds for photo equipment for on of our best butterfly photographers, so can't guarantee much free time before the end of month. But ping me if you want me to check anything or help. -- Colin (talk) 21:41, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I was thinking in black and with pictures, but I don´t know what was the idea of the original proposer. Anna reg: I can do it first week of march, but I'm not sure if I can with the responsability :( Regards. --Ganímedes (talk) 11:21, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm not clear what you mean by "in black and with pictures". Also is colour tinting (e.g. sepia, platinum) allowed (I would say yes, as the image is still fundamentally just tonal). @Anna reg, HelenOnline, Lesekreis, El Grafo: I can set up the English theme pages tonight I hope, but can someone else manage the translations? -- Colin (talk) 12:28, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm both busy and a bit sick atm, but I'll try to do the German translations if no one else can do it. Concerning the b&w question ... I'm fine with both options. --El Grafo (talk) 13:06, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Colin: see Black and White. Regards, --Ganímedes (talk) 13:26, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I have added a March template watchlist notice at User:HelenOnline/sandbox/Photo challenge template. I've only done the English and made a crude attempt at parts of the other languages. I've also created Commons:Photo challenge/2015 - March - Black and White and Commons:Photo challenge/2015 - March - Steps, Stairs and Staircases. I didn't use the sandbox page since I didn't really understand how it works. Please can our translation team help fix the watchlist template and the two new challenge pages. Thanks -- Colin (talk) 22:13, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

The German translation is ready. Hope it 's right. I would love to help more, but unfortunately I lack the technical knowledge :-( many greetings to all Lesekreis (talk) 10:29, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll notify the other translators. --Anna reg (talk) 12:16, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Looks great, Lesekreis, I just did one minor adjustment. Thanks for stepping in! --El Grafo (talk) 12:37, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


Just 2 questions before validation of translations :

  1. Black & white : B&W pictures (turn your camera on B&W mode) or black & white things on a colored picture (as we had "Primary colors on handmade objects") or colored pics turned to B&W with some program after shooting?
  1. Do we include ladders, rope ladders, stool, footstool or just stairs in "Stairs"&Co?

I just have saturday to complete translations before going back to work (won't have any connection during the whole week). Without answer it'll be "Black & white pictures" and "Stairs, ..." with no additional possibilities.

A picture with colour removed (either in-camera or in software). Not a colour picture of a black & white subject. I would allow ladders, etc. They all have a sort of step. Particularly "step ladders". But, overnight I started worrying that b&w would be overloaded with images. It is simply too easy to take an existing photo (of any subject whatsoever) and convert to b&w. So I think we need to make this one restricted to photos taken this month (March) and also place a limit on entries of 3. Otherwise the number of entries could be unmanageable. Could our translators cope with this late request? I'll make a change in English and then try to ping some people, but I don't know all the translators. -- Colin (talk) 10:03, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Tell me in what part do you want to add the explanation. In the page of March? Link me. Thanks. --Ganímedes (talk) 12:15, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
✓ French transaltion is ok. Please check B&W new sample galley "BAD example" and delete if you think it's not OK or ad more bad sample images. --Llann .\m/ (Lie 2 me ...) 00:11, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Count me out for maintenance from monday untill I'll be able to help on weekends if I'll have time for. Thx for comprehension. --Llann .\m/ (Lie 2 me ...) 00:14, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Ganímedes, the clarification on what b&w means is in the main text of the theme description. The restriction on dates "taken in March 2015" is in the later language-switch section. Btw, I've removed the "bad example" -- interesting idea but I think it just complicates things. I hope with a wikilink (if suitable for other languages please use) then what we mean by b&w should work. We can swiftly remove any incorrect images. Btw, I would allow a b&w image that had a colour tint applied (e.g. sepia, platinum) because they are still fundamentally a tonal work with no colour information. But of course, whether such an effect is a good idea is up to our reviewers. -- Colin (talk) 08:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Btw, Llann Wé², one reason I removed the Bad Example is that people are terrible at reading instructions. For every person who reads that carefully, there will be another who sees a colour picture of a black & white mountain and so uploads another... -- Colin (talk) 12:52, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
I understood why you removed "Bad example", Colin. --Llann .\m/ (Lie 2 me ...) 18:28, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
Btw, User:Llann Wé², if you ping someone but forget to sign, or you add a ping to a message with an existing signature, then the ping doesn't work. It needs to be done in one go. -- Colin (talk) 18:32, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

@Anna reg, HelenOnline, Lesekreis, El Grafo:, I think the voting pages are ready as are the submission pages. I'll check later tonight if the translations look complete (unless someone else can please). The we can do with the watchlist notice. I'll also do the vote counting for last three challenges, though there may be delays if some votes are incorrect... -- Colin (talk) 20:30, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I had a quick look and there are some languages that haven't been updated. I suppose it is better to remove them (and default to English) then have a wrong/blank translation. If they aren't done by tomorrow then we can remove the unfinished ones. -- Colin (talk) 21:23, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Btw, there are quite a lot of incorrect votes to fix so it will be tomorrow at least before we get winners of the three previous challenges. -- Colin (talk) 21:23, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I've posted a watchlist notice. I removed the languages that hadn't been done. But in the submission pages for the two challenges, I left the other languages in but put English text in there. I'm guessing that the adding/removing of languages on those pages caused problems. Please review what I've done to make sure it looks ok. -- Colin (talk) 22:51, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I've seen no way to update "Retos abiertos a la presentación de fotografías", "Retos abiertos para votación" y "Retos previos"'s sections in this page. Do you know where I can find it? Regards. --Ganímedes (talk) 23:38, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

how to archive[edit]

Archive are always very useful, and I am grateful to whom created it, but I think that Commons talk:Photo challenge/themes/Archive should be organized by month.

I take care, not alone of course, of similar archives of some selection procedures in my local wiki and I have always used the chronological order. First of all, the titles we use are quite random/arbitrary and I suppose that in some year we will search for a theme using ctrl+F in any case. Secondly, when more entries will be archived, we will have to split them in subarchives and by year is the easiest way to be consistent and linear, instead of creating subdividion with the alphabetical order that become more and more specific over the time (first "A-M", than "A-E", than "A", than "AA-AM"...) . In addition to that, I suppose that when I want to suggest a new theme the one key piece of information I need is if something similar has not been proposed in the very recent past. For example if I want to suggest "car" I should look for "trasnportation" or "wheels" or "road" or "accidents" but the easiest way would be just to check if the previous approved theme don't have any superposition with my "theme" simply scrolling them. IMHO proposing the "same" theme after 3 years is not as bad as proposing a very similar theme after few months.--Alexmar983 (talk) 00:52, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Pictogram voting question.svg Question File:Balcony in Sète 01.jpg[edit]

Hi Llann .\m/ , is there a reason for to have remove my image from the chalange [1], a mistake? -- Christian Ferrer 20:56, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Salut Christian Ferrer.
Smiley.svg Thank you de m'avoir signalé cette fausse manœuvre... Le fichier n'était pas supprimé, il s'est juste retrouvé dans la légende de la photo du dessus quand j'ai supprimé le doublon du sessous. Désolé.
Bonne semaine. --Llann .\m/ (Lie 2 me ...) 00:22, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
Pas de problèmes :) -- Christian Ferrer 05:37, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

2014 December and 2015 January Winners[edit]

Outliers: EntriesVotesScores
Rank 1 2 3
Image Kuckucks-Bauer.jpg Outed.jpg Sifones en Buenos Aires 03.JPG
Title Cuckoo's pawn Bulb fields in the Netherlands Five blue soda siphons, and one green one.
Author Photokid261 Tonyjmcgregor Mateussf
Score 25 24 21
Household items in use: EntriesVotesScores
Rank 1 2 3
Image Bottle openers.JPG Pounding in Laos.jpg Apple peeling 4468.JPG
Title Ouvre bouteille (macrophotographie N&B) à votre santé!... Pounding in Model healthy village,
Salavan Province Laos.
Peeling of an apple
Score 25 15 13
Bad weather: EntriesVotesScores
Rank 1 2 3
Image D Äule Menzenschwand im Winter.JPG Baum in Kärnten 037.jpg 2014 12 04 288 Ortler.jpg
Title Auf der Passhöhe zwischen Äule
und Menzenschwand im Schwarzwald.
Ein kalter, nebeliger Morgen Ortler in Wolken
Author Nobvonriedern Zause01 F. Riedelio
Score 20 18 15

Congratulations to Photokid261, Tonyjmcgregor, Mateussf, PIERRE ANDRE LECLERCQ, Karl Gruber, Nobvonriedern, Zause01 and F. Riedelio. -- Colin (talk) 22:42, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Votes: Question[edit]

Question about the votes. I seem to recall (though I may be mistaken) that the early challenges explicitly disallowed voting for one's own image. That doesn't seem to be included in the current batch. Has that been changed, or never happened, or? Not that I'd vote for myself anyways, but clarification would be nice. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:32, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

From what I can recall, when I was reading the rules for Dec/Jan, it said you can't vote for your own photo. -- KTC (talk) 01:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC)