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resolution requirements/recommendations[edit]

Saludos! We will be running two wiki expeditions in September here in Mexico City. We have done this before but one problem is getting photos of decent resolution. In one case, the student shrunk the photos down to an unusable size (faster uploading). The more common problem is that most of our students do no have cameras, not even the tourist kind as they use their cell phones.

I know cells phones at least used to take lousy pictures, which is why initially we required students to have a "real" camera to participate. However, this seems to be unreasonable. So assuming that most will use cell phones, what are the minimums we should require to get decent photos?Thelmadatter (talk) 14:02, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

I suggest to use the full resolution and not reducing the size. Very important is that before uploading a selection is made of the best photos, not uploading blurred photos. It is not a competition of who uploads the most pictures in the shortest time. Also important is to mention what is can be seen on the photo and where exactly the photo is taken. For example in which street, on what market, within which building. Please add also existing categories. Even broad categories such as "Streets in Mexico, D.F." or "Buildings in Mexico, D.F." are better than nothing or a self invented category name. Wouter (talk) 17:46, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
An additional point about smart phones which was mentioned in the Village Pump. Clean the lens of the smart phone carefully from finger grease and other dirt to avoid the typical haze often found when using dirty lenses. Wouter (talk) 19:31, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

corrupt thumbnail, pages[edit]

I uploaded some files on wikimedia commons (in pdf). Unfortunately, there is a problem. I can see unscathed files as whole files, but some files' thumbnails are corrupt. Also when I use 'go to page' facility, pages' images are corrupt. What can I do for this situation?

corrupt thumbnail
corrupt page images
— Preceding unsigned comment added by AstrobluePeter (talk • contribs) 01:25, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Can you provide links to the files - I can not type Chinese hieroglyphs. Ruslik (talk) 11:18, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Here are links to the files. Thank you. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%E8%92%99%E5%B1%B1%E5%92%8C%E5%B0%99%E6%B3%95%E8%AA%9E%E7%95%A5%E9%8C%84.pdf https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:%ED%99%8D%EA%B8%B8%EB%8F%99%EC%A0%84.pdf&page=2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AstrobluePeter (talk • contribs) 00:12, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

I see a bunch of console errors "Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 429". Ruslik (talk) 17:53, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Please help with two deleted photos[edit]

File:Live export from Australia to Israel - cow blinded from ammonia fumes.jpg
File:Live export cows with feaces on the way to quarantine.jpg
These photos are my own work about live export of animals from Australia to Israel.
The photos were deleted because of the watermark of ww.shiptohell.org.
I represent shiptohell.org, it's just a group of a handful of activists againt live exports.
I sent a letter to permission at wikimedia foundations. Please check it and undelete the photos.
Feel free to change the names of the files, only leave "live export" in the name so it can be found.
Thank you very much -Assialls (talk) 11:21, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Please see COM:OTRS and send an email (indicating the names of these photos, your ownership of the rights, and the license granted) as explained there. Once that is processed (typically about a month, I gather there is quite a backlog) they will be restored. - Jmabel ! talk 15:22, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
A month is too long. The problem was that the photos have water mark of a my web page on them. Is it OK to upload the same photos again with the water mark cut off? I am the sole owner of the photos, I took them myself, they are my own work. I just fear that somebody will regard it as a violation and block me. -Assialls (talk) 05:23, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Were the two photos originally published on a website of your group? If so, can you edit that website? If so, can you mention the free license of the two photos there? We can't speak for them, but maybe that way you could convince an admin to restore the files until the case is decided by OTRS. -- Asclepias (talk) 06:16, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Or you can re-upload, send to OTRS as described, and mark the images with {{OTRS pending}}, which should probably get them left alone until OTRS can handle them (but this might be complicated by the prior uploads having been deleted). - Jmabel ! talk 15:40, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Mahi Srivastava[edit]

Hi

I am Mahi Srivasta a — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dilip srivastava (talk • contribs) 14:24, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi, what do you need help with? --rimshottalk 19:55, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Upload Wizard not working[edit]

I'm trying to upload two photos using the Upload Wizard, trying one at the time, but it is just sitting there spinning. Is it working today? Bubba73 (talk) 16:36, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Roswell Daily Record 1947 newspaper is copyrighted[edit]

Hello, I have noticed that you have https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RoswellDailyRecordJuly8,1947.jpg listed as public domain. This image is in fact copyrighted by the Roswell Daily Record. How can I go about having this changed?

Thank you,

Toby Martinez Composing Manager/IT Roswell Daily Record

Toby Martinez, according to image file the original copyright was not renewed. Do you have a copy of the copyright renewal notice? MKFI (talk) 06:34, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

I can provide you with one. What would be the best method for getting that to you? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.50.145.242 (talk) 04:49, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Just an aside: if accurate, I believe this would be the first time we've seen such renewal documented for any non-NYC U.S. newspaper. - Jmabel ! talk 05:32, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
The OBP compilation lists all periodicals that renewed the copyright of at least one of their issues published between 1923 and 1950 [1]. Like you say, many of the newspapers that filed renewals for that time period were in New York, but there seems to be also some from other places. The Roswell Daily Record is not in the list. -- Asclepias (talk) 11:15, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
If you can provide it as a reference in Stanford's Copyright Renewal Database, that would be simplest. If not: in what form does the documentation exist (given which we can, I'm sure, work out how you can best pass it along)? - Jmabel ! talk 05:35, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Isn't Stanford's database for books only? -- Asclepias (talk) 13:23, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
If the renewal is in the Catalog of copyright entries of the Copyright Office, you could cite the reference to the specific renewal entry, with the catalog's year, part, page, and entry title. If this catalog issue is online, anyone can look it up and you wouldn't need to send anything. For example, there is no renewal entry for the title "Roswell Daily Record" in the periodicals renewals in the 1975 catalog [2], but if the entry is somewhere else, please provide the reference. -- Asclepias (talk) 13:23, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for all of your help. I have forwarded this information to our lawyer so he can provide the appropriate materials required. I will post once I hear back from him. Toby Martinez —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.50.145.242 (talk) 00:20, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

If you don't find the catalog entry, you could tell whatever useful information you do have in your documentation: date of the renewal notice, claimant's name, reference number. That may be enough to allow anyone to obtain a confirmation from the Copyright Office. It's public information, because its object is to allow members of the public to know if something is under copyright or not. The question above by Jmabel is also interesting: in what form is the documentation you have? Is it a copy of a form sent to the Copyright Office circa 1975 listing all or some of the 1947 issues of the newspaper? -- Asclepias (talk) 01:25, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Pages with 'File:' prefix in the main category[edit]

The problem has been found two months ago by OSeveno, discussed here (Commons:Help_desk/Archive/2016/05#Need help removing page from appearing inside category), reported to Phabricator as task T135577 which then got merged to task T135485. Finally aude closed T135485 on May 23, 2016 as 'Resolved'.

However, the 'File:' pages are still visible in the main space:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:AllPages?from=File&to=&namespace=0

Anybody cares to re-submit the issue to Phabricator...?

Pinging participants of the previous discussion: @Jmabel, Asclepias, Pokéfan95, Green Giant, McZusatz:

--CiaPan (talk) 16:44, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

  • You could do exactly what I could do by way of filing with Phabricator. I presume that is the same for the others you've pinged. - Jmabel ! talk 18:35, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
The ghost pages are still there, they still haunt the categories and they are still unaccessible and unmodifiable by ordinary users. I sort of expected that this problem, which is basically the creation of ghost duplicate pages in the wrong namespace, would not be addressed, after the Phabricator bug report about it (T135577) was said to be merged with another bug report about what looked like it may have been a different undeletion problem (T135485). As I suggested in the previous discussion here, the Phabricator people should be provided with the updated link to that discussion (Commons:Help_desk/Archive/2016/05#Need help removing page from appearing inside category), so they are at least made aware of what this problem is, and/or someone on Phabricator should explain to them what this problem is. This problem seems to be limited to a small number of pages and as such it may be less important than was the other one, which was apparently resolved, but still I think it should be investigated and diagnosed, if only to know how it happened and to make sure it doesn't risk happening again on a larger scale. The help desk may not be the best place to draw the necessary attention to this type of problem and maybe you can have better chances if you post on the administrators' noticeboard. -- Asclepias (talk) 19:37, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
  • (edit conflict) This is more likely an older bug, phab:T87645. I can delete those pages on a case by base basis if you wish, as that involves a lot of manual work. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 19:43, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
FYI: See quarry:query/7089. --Achim (talk) 19:49, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for this information Zhuyifei1999. If the causal problem was taken care of in T87645, then I think that answers satisfactorily what was the main concern here. If that was resolved and no new cases will be created, then the 50 or 60 ghost pages that already exist and remain on Commons may not be really a problem as such, if you know that they don't interfere with the good pages of identical names or with anything else. If the deletion of those pages involve a lot of work, I think you can leave them there. If you want, maybe you can delete the page ("File:Interieur, koor, gebrandschilderd glas, Karel V, detail - 's-Gravenhage - 20365072 - RCE.jpg") that was at the origin of the discussion and that is stuck in "Category:Grote of Sint-Jacobskerk (The Hague)", and maybe other pages that users may specifically notice in a similar situation? -- Asclepias (talk) 21:04, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
This is ✓ Done log (page id=38058799, log id=166933045) --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 10:40, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Come to think of it, requests may pop up once in a while, when users will remove one of the files from one of its categories. But that could be fixed on a case by case basis upon specific request. Now, the users will know which admin they can ask to get the job done Face-smile.svg. Thanks again. -- Asclepias (talk) 13:34, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Note that I just moved the file back since the original moving reason no longer stands. --Zhuyifei1999 (talk) 10:45, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Good to hear they're working on it at Phabricator, since at the category Category:Grote of Sint-Jacobskerk (The Hague), there still is a blue pagelink for the for file File:Interieur, koor, gebrandschilderd glas, Karel V, detail - 's-Gravenhage - 20365072 - RCE.jpg. Even though the file itself clearly doesn't exist anymore. On this Helpdesk page though, the file link appears to me in red. PS: I clear my cache on a daily basis and usually more than once. Regards, --OSeveno (talk) 10:36, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Probably you happened to look at it just before Zhuyifei1999 fixed the page. It should be ok now. -- Asclepias (talk) 13:34, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Scan of full text with unspecified copyright status[edit]

I have an instruction sheet for the processing of film. It was provided with the film at point of sale and does not appear to claim any kind of copyright. Is this something that would be considered free to reproduce or would their be an implied copyright on the material even though it was not published in the USA and doesn't claim copyright? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bostwickenator (talk • contribs) 03:28, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Under the Berne convention, almost all texts are copyrighted by default. The U.S. was late to sign the convention, which is why U.S. works published without copyright notice before 1978 are considered public domain, but there are very few countries in the world where a similar situation applied or applies, nor does a similar situation apply in the present-day U.S. So, no, from your description it is quite unlikely that the work in question is public domain. - Jmabel ! talk
  • Bostwickenator: We would not be able to host such a work on Commons; although some projects (though not all) allow fair-use material, so may be possible to contribute that way; Commons does not allow fair-use. Additionally, one might consider providing or uploading the material to en:Internet Archive... they've quite a collection of documentation, manuals and other such historical works. --dsprc (talk) 22:02, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks guys, I didn't know the US respected that convention. Bostwickenator (talk) 00:40, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Fixing the title[edit]

I uploaded the files with wrong file title, so I have to fix it. How to fix it? (file title means..like.. 'Cosmos.jpg' ) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AstrobluePeter (talk • contribs) 04:27, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Use the {{move}} tag to request the name you want. (There are other ways to do this, but that's the simplest.) - Jmabel ! talk 15:18, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Umm...How can I use the {{move}} tag..?..? I'm not used to using Wikimedia commons... — Preceding unsigned comment added by AstrobluePeter (talk • contribs) 00:20, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Actually I think, Jmabel mixed up something. {{Move}} is for changing categories, it seems. Open a file. On upper right there should be then an entry saying “More” in the language you’ve selected for reading Commons. Behind this entry, on clicking, should be another entry saying something similar like “Move file”. This will actually start a script, where you can select and fill out some fields (you should select in this case “on uploader’s request” as reason). A filemover will later execute the renaming for you. — Speravir_Talk – 21:58, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
I think he meant "use the {{rename}} tag". -- Asclepias (talk) 22:15, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
@Asclepias: Thanks, yes, that is what I meant. But what User:Speravir says is also good. - Jmabel ! talk 22:28, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
@Asclepias, Jmabel: The script I speak of will add the template with filled content. — Speravir_Talk – 22:43, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Resolved
I think that this question was replied to adequately based on the supplied information. If you have anything to add or a follow-up question please feel free to replace this box with your comment. This section will be archived after four days. Speravir (Talk) 00:05, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi! Adding Picture in a Wiki Page[edit]

Hi! I'm working on the Wiki Page of Riccardo Brugnara, a rugby player and a friend of mine. He already has a Wiki Page on the Italian Wiki and I wanted to translate and create another on the English one, since he plays for English teams. I wanted to add a picture of him but since I'm not sure how the Copyright works I wanted to ask you if I was able to upload a redimensioned picture taken by this site which seems to allow the use of all the pictures on the site (except for the Celebrities's children) online. Tell me please if I can upload the redimensioned photo on the Wiki Page of Riccardo Brugnara without problems, maybe by linking the site where I got the picture. Forgive me if I did any grammar errors, I'm still working on it. Best, Giovanni --GioviNicchia (talk) 18:27, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi, The photo is not free [3]. It can't be uploaded to Wikimedia. -- Asclepias (talk) 19:28, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi GioviNicchia, if he's a friend of yours, you might be able to take a picture of him yourself! That way, you own the copyright and can license the image any way you like. Be careful not to photograph him in front of a poster or other copyrighted material (see COM:DW). A lawn would work great. --rimshottalk 08:33, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

OTRS ticket: Will I be informed?[edit]

Hi colleagues, I've sent someone out there this OTRS form for the first in order let him allow me to upload pictures by him here at Commons under CC-BY-SA 4.0. In this form, he is being asked to send an email directly to wikimedia. My question: Will I be informed that he has sent the information? When exactly is the best time to upload the files? Who sets this OTRS infobox thingy? It would be very nice of you guys to quickly tell me how all this works. Thanks in advance, GeoTrinity (talk) 21:45, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

  • You can ask him to cc you, but otherwise you won't know.
  • If you know that this will move forward, and assuming it will be clear what are the files in question, you can upload them any time and tag them {{OTRS pending}}.
  • The OTRS team will ultimately tag them when there is a ticket number, assuming that there is enough clarity that they can identify the images; if you think there might not be, you might send them a separate email to help them by correlating your filenames to the email address from which they can expect to receive permission.
  • I hope that covers your questions. - Jmabel ! talk 02:23, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Great answer! This helps a lot! I will mark it a little later as resolved. cheers, GeoTrinity (talk) 12:41, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Duplicate uploads[edit]

Tonight I uploaded 12 photos, File:Raines-Carmichael House, Macon, GA, US.jpg through File:Raines-Carmichael House, Macon, GA, US (12).jpg, forgetting that I had already uploaded them with names such as File:House on College St., Macon Historic District, Macon, GA, US (13).jpg (not completely in succession). What is the best way to fix this? Delete the old, less-descriptive names? Delete the new, more-descriptive names? Bubba73 (talk) 02:37, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

  • You'll want to turn one into a redirect to the other; it really doesn't matter which way around. Make sure any categories & descriptions are carried over to the ones you want to keep, them mark the ones you want to get rid of using {{duplicate}} and they will be turned into redirects. - Jmabel ! talk 04:24, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
OK, thanks. I've got some work to do. Bubba73 (talk) 04:11, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

picture deleted (No OTRS permission for 30 days), but followed email template instructions from wikicommons?[edit]

Hello all, I have a question about pictures on wiki articles. I had uploaded a picture to the site of https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Paa

a ticket had been created and a few weeks later I was contacted about the permissions for the picture. I have followed the instructions on wikicommons (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS):

"I have received permission from the original author (not me) to upload the file to Commons."Please forward us a permission statement to the address listed above. We require that owners make a clear statement that they release the image under a free license. To help prevent confusion or misunderstandings we prefer one of the email templates be used. Permission grants must specifically contain a free license grant and may not merely give permissions for Commons or Wikipedia. If you have already uploaded the image to Commons, follow the instructions on Template:OTRS pending.

I have sent back the email from the owner of the picture with his statement, that he is allowing a free licence. I have used the email template from the wikicommons article. yet a few months later the picture was deleted with the reason: No OTRS permission for 30 days

Can anyone explain to me, what went wrong? I don't understand why the picture has been deleted?

Thank you in advance. Tydra — Preceding unsigned comment added by TydraLorx (talk • contribs) 18:57, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

  • I presume this is about File:Michael Paa 2016 v1.png. You marked this as OTRS pending on 7 March 2016. User:Jcb deleted it 2 July 2016 because after roughly 10 weeks that permission apparently still had not yet been received. Only a small number of people have access to OTRS emails, so probably Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard is the only place where anyone will be able to tell you anything more than that; I suggest you re-ask your question there. Please, when you post there indicate the filename so that no one needs to repeat the detective work I just did. - Jmabel ! talk 17:08, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

file deletion[edit]

please, how can i delete a file i uploaded which i know longer want on wikipedia and how do i change a file license after it is already uploaded on wijipedia commoner. how do i become a non common user of wikipedia so that my files can be protected — Preceding unsigned comment added by Influencewithaquinas (talk • contribs) 04:54, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Is this about File:AQUINAS COSMAS.jpeg or about something else? If it's that, I think we can certainly delete that as a recent upload where, furthermore, the copyright situation isn't clear. If it's about something else, I have no idea what images you are talking about and so I can't comment. And "how do i become a non common user of wikipedia so that my files can be protected" makes no sense at all, at least not to me. - Jmabel ! talk 23:20, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Hi, do you know how to make FlickreviewR 2 to review for a second time a pic I uploaded? Apparently there was an issue with the source, I changed (m.) to (www.) Cornerstonepicker (talk) 19:26, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

It's always easier to help if you name the file(s) in question, so we don't have to go digging through you contributions list. Anyway, just reset the flickrreview tag like so. Also, please make sure you upload the full resolution version rather than scaled-down preview versions, and that you base cropped version on the full resolution version as well. LX (talk, contribs) 19:37, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
May be this template help you: {{Flickrreview}} -- Донор () 23 July 2016
Thank you both LX, Донор. Those two: File:Justin_Timberlake_Comic-Con_2016.jpg and the cropped version File:Justin Timberlake Comicon 2016 cropped.jpg. The bot now posted a new template "The copyright status of the image was undeterminable by the bot, and requires human attention." I'm a little confused. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 21:14, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
nvm, it's been already reviewed. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 21:48, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Probably because you uploaded a non-standard 1:13 scaled-down version (1600×1066 px) instead of the full resolution (5760×3840 px), as I mentioned. LX (talk, contribs) 21:52, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Adding photo of my grand father's painting not working[edit]

Hi, I am trying to add a photo of my grandfather's painting (taken by my mom), but get this error: Cross-wiki upload filter.

What is wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joakimsd (talk • contribs) 23:51, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Apparently this happens when a newly registered user tries to make a cross-wiki upload for a low-resolution image. It can probably be avoided by uploading directly at Commons (https://commons.wikimedia.org) and using the "Upload file" link at the left. When you are uploading somebody else's work, you should also get the copyright holder to give permission as described at OTRS, to avoid a risk of the photo getting deleted later. --ghouston (talk) 00:26, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
And of course the other way to avoid getting caught by the filter is to upload a full-resolution version instead of a tiny 198×245 pixel thumbnail. The reason for the filter is that low-resolution uploads from newly registered users using the cross-wiki upload forms overwhelmingly turn out to be copyright violations. And indeed, this file was incorrectly claimed to be the uploader's own work with the uploader being both author and copyright holder, so it looks like the filter worked as intended. LX (talk, contribs) 00:34, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Album/Single Covers[edit]

Hello, I received several notifications about copyright violations for files I've uploaded -

User talk:TheKaphox

I'm sorry that this is the case, as I've seen other people upload similar album/single covers onto Wikimedia under the same terms that I uploaded mine. However, literally every article for albums and singles I've seen has got artwork attached, so howcome the images that I've uploaded are different? I've tried checking the terms for other album covers, but I can't replicate that in how I upload mine. Any explanation would be appreciated. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheKaphox (talk • contribs) 14:07, 24 July 2016‎ (UTC)

It looks like you uploaded several album covers, claiming that the copyright holders of those album covers had published them under licenses allowing anyone to use, modify and redistribute the covers for any purpose, including commercial purposes. Those claims were of course completely made up, and you obviously can't do that. That's not only against the rules of this site, it's also illegal.
You haven't given any examples of these supposed "similar album/single covers ... under the same terms", but the music industry is generally not in the business of giving away their content for free, so you'll find very few commercial album covers published under free licenses.
You mention articles – presumably that's Wikipedia articles, presumably on English Wikipedia. English Wikipedia allows non-free content to be locally uploaded to that project for use in a fair use context. Commons, by contrast, is a general-purpose media repository, so fair use does not apply here. If you want to upload non-free content for use in articles on English Wikipedia, you need to go there. See en:Wikipedia:Non-free content for details. LX (talk, contribs) 20:50, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, this was very helpful! TheKaphox

move image[edit]

Margaret_Gorman_4.jpg is a much higher resolution version of Margaret_Gorman_2.jpg could you please replace Margaret_Gorman_2.jpg with Margaret_Gorman_4.jpg my account is to new to replace images. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheRealBobo (talk • contribs) 20:30, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Links for convenience: File:Margaret Gorman 4.jpg, File:Margaret Gorman 2.jpg. LX (talk, contribs) 20:51, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
@TheRealBobo: File:Margaret Gorman 2.jpg should become a redirect to File:Margaret Gorman 4.jpg, but you give no source for File:Margaret Gorman 4.jpg, which you uploaded. Could you please indicate the source? - Jmabel ! talk 23:28, 24 July 2016 (UTC)