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Talk pages[edit]

In an effort to consolidate all of the BSicon discussions, please introduce new topics on one of these pages:

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Category talk[edit]

File talk[edit]

There may be more. Some of these may refer to more than a single file, but to the whole set they belong to; those discussions should be moved here.

Wikipedia talk[edit]

Note that these pages should be used for discussions about the Catalog pages, not specific BSicons.

Deletion requests[edit]

Documentation[edit]

@Useddenim, Tuvalkin, Axpde, Sameboat: Should the English Wikipedia's BSicon catalogue pages be imported to Commons and placed in subpages of this page? This would make it easier to update catalogue pages in different languages (there are several wikis which have copied the enwiki one and never updated theirs) due to the existence of language templates on Commons, and would just generally centralize more stuff here. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
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13:49, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

I'd prefer to import the German wikipedia's catalogue ... a×pdeHello! 14:56, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
@Axpde: Regardless of whether the Bilderkatalog is better than the complete catalogue, only the German Wikipedia (officially) is restricted to using a limited group of BSicons, as far as I'm aware. I don't think that would be helpful for most editors. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
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15:19, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
Seems like a good idea. Translation (and the required templating) would be a big job, though. Useddenim (talk) 17:45, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
@Useddenim: I think it'd also be better to split the current pages by section, as a lot of them take a very long time to load. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
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04:46, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Then I guess Step 1 would be to block out the pages and section headings. Useddenim (talk) 17:17, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
@Useddenim:
  • Landing page
  • straight tracks, parallel straight tracks, straight 2 and junctions/others
    • /Straight tracks (at-grade)
    • /Straight tracks (tunnels) (duplicating elevated transitions; no curves or diagonals)
    • /Straight tracks (bridges) (duplicating tunnel transitions; no curves or diagonals)
    • /Parallel lines (not including shifts or road crossings)
    • /Line endings (all except narrow icons, including 45° and 90° curves and parallel lines)
    • /Continuation (all except narrow icons, including 45° and 90° curves and parallel lines)
    • /Water crossings (all except narrow icons)
    • /Road–rail crossings (all except narrow icons)
    • /Embankments and cuttings (all including legende; duplicate tunnel transitions)
    • /Borders and customs (all including legende)
    • /Crossovers and loops (including some two-quarter shifts)
    • /Lineside features
    • /Narrow tracks (all except narrow icons)
  • branchings and parallel 45° and 90° branchings
    • /90° curves (including edge icons but not narrow icons)
    • /Parallel 90° curves
    • /45° curves and diagonals (including edge icons but not narrow icons; not including crossings)
    • /Parallel 45° curves and diagonals
    • /45° corners (including junctions but not narrow icons)
    • /Parallel 45° corners
more later Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
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05:15, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
  • shifts, junctions/crossings and parallel crossings and crossovers
    • /One-quarter shifts (including shift+curve and shift+ending icons)
    • /Two-quarter shifts and crossovers (including 2-way and 3-way double-width icons)
    • /Three-quarter shifts
    • /Four-quarter shifts and crossovers
    • /Crossings
    • /Diagonal crossings
    • /Curved crossings (including k curves and   (vSTRlf-KRZo) etc.)
    • /Crossings with junctions
    • /Crossings with parallel lines (not including road crossings)
  • junctions (2-way, 3-way, others, compound)
    • /90° junctions (including 2-way double-width icons)
    • /45° junctions
    • /k curves and stations
    • /k corners (including through tracks and stations)
    • /Crossings with k corners
    • /3-column curves and stations
Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
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06:45, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
  • stations, parallel stations, interchange, S-Bahn and logos
    • /Stations (including TBHF; duplicating overlays, 3-column curves and k curves)
    • /Stations on parallel lines (including vTBHF; duplicating overlays)
    • /Stops (including THST; duplicating overlays, 3-column curves and k curves)
    • /Stops on parallel lines (duplicating overlays)
    • /Freight stations (duplicating overlays)
    • /Freight stations on parallel lines (duplicating overlays)
    • /Freight stops (duplicating overlays)
    • /Freight stops on parallel lines (duplicating overlays)
    • /Accessible stations (including HSTACC; duplicating overlays)
    • /Accessible stations on parallel lines (duplicating overlays)
    • /Interchanges and accessible interchanges (including TINT; duplicating overlays, 3-column curves and k curves)
    • /Interchanges and accessible interchanges on parallel lines (duplicating overlays)
    • /Cross-platform interchanges (duplicating overlays)
    • /Platforms
    • /Regional stations and logos (duplicating overlays)
    • /Station overlays (including HUB and BL)
  • parallel junctions
    • /Parallel junctions and splits
    • /45° parallel junctions and splits
Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
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14:30, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
@Useddenim:
  • narrow icons (include links in related regular-width icon pages)
    • /Narrow icons/straight tracks
    • /Narrow icons/line endings
    • /Narrow icons/continuation
    • /Narrow icons/water crossings
    • /Narrow icons/road–rail crossings
    • /Narrow icons/90° curves
    • /Narrow icons/45° curves and diagonals
    • /Narrow icons/90° junctions
    • /Narrow icons/45° junctions
    • /Narrow icons/45° corners
    • /Narrow icons/shifts
    • /Narrow icons/lineside features (duplicate dW/X platforms)
    • /Narrow icons/crossings
    • /Narrow icons/overlays (masks, legende)
    • /Narrow icons/other (ndSTR and dkSTRc1 etc.)
    • /Narrow icons/stations and stops
    • /Narrow icons/freight stations and stops
    • /Narrow icons/interchanges and accessible stations
  • broad icons (all icons should be duplicated on other pages)
    • /Wide icons
  • others
    • /Interchange symbols
    • /Line overlays (continuation arrows, directional arrows, pointers, line endings, mileposts, turntables, etc.)
    • /Masks
    • /Numbers, letters and other symbols
    • /Canal overlays
  • canals
    • /Canals
    • /Canal infrastructure
    • /Non-navigable waterways
  • trails
    • /Trails
  • roads (including RA, RB, RE, RG, RM, RR and RY)
    • /Roads
    • /Road junctions
    • /Crossings
I think that's everything. Jc86035 (talk) Use {{re|Jc86035}}
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02:40, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
  • I agree with moving over the Pictogram Catalog from en.wp, if there’s no issue on their side. -- Tuválkin 12:41, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

@Useddenim, Tuvalkin: All of the existing catalogue pages and the helper templates have now been imported from enwiki for attribution reasons (many thanks to Steinsplitter), so the enwiki catalogue pages and catalogue pages on other wikis can probably be soft-redirected to the temporary Commons pages for now. Jc86035 (talk) 15:51, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

llACC icons[edit]

moved to Talk:BSicon/Renaming#legende ACCs

To-do[edit]

@Useddenim, Tuvalkin: Should there be a to-do list of uncontroversial tasks which need to be done (e.g. fixing the dashes in   (RP43+1), uploading a complete set of stations on k-curves and 3-curves)? I currently have my own list and also have several thousand icons on my computer waiting to be uploaded, but I think it would be better if we could centralize this. Jc86035 (talk) 11:28, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

  • Go ahead. Currently I have nothing queued to be done, just addressing random issues as they pop up. -- Tuválkin 21:13, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Certainly (although I can't promise how many I will do). Useddenim (talk) 02:37, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

@Useddenim, Tuvalkin: Done at BSicon/To-do. I had thought I would be able to stick it in a little collapsible table on every talk page, but it seems a bit unwieldy for that. Jc86035 (talk) 01:58, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Use in Commons[edit]

Take a look at this cat: Category:Categories illustrated with BSicon diagrams. Only two subcats so far, but there maybe more and I’m sure there should be even more! -- Tuválkin 06:20, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Question[edit]

  (uvUST) (no umlaut) is only used on five wikis. On four of these wikis, it is used in BSicon catalogs. The fifth, enwiki, is used solely in an enwiki admin's picture gallery. The name is very similar to   (uvÜST) (with umlaut), which sees much more use, including in actual articles on several wikis. I was thinking that we could rename & mass-replace uvUST to something else and redirect the file to uvÜST, which is very hard to type. Thoughts? epicgenius (talk) 02:23, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Symbol keep vote.svg Agree. Useddenim (talk) 04:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
@Epicgenius: (On a Mac, Ü is Option+U then Shift+U, or long press Shift+U and then 2. On Windows, it's alt+0220,Useddenim (talk) 11:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC) or select it from the special characters box in the editing window, I guess.) I think it would be better to rename it to uvFÜST per Talk:BSicon/Renaming/Canals#uLJUNC (discussion from 2013), since it could be useful for… something? If it becomes a valid icon name there's no reason to delete it, but otherwise I don't really know what I'd do with it. Mass replacement shouldn't be necessary; most of the catalogues not on Commons (in both userspace and Wikipedia-space) are unmaintained and if they're untranslated, or on the Simple English Wikipedia, they can just be soft-redirected to the Commons page without further discussion.
Incidentally, there are a lot of icons that need to be reuploaded and/or renamed, not limited to canal icons, but it's a lot of boring, somewhat meaningless work and almost no one actually does it (I've started almost all the discussions in the current Talk:BSicon/Renaming and in archives 8–11). I think it could help if you went through the current (unarchived) discussions and added support/oppose comments, mostly because it's hard to form a consensus with just three or four people. Jc86035 (talk) 04:37, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
@Jc86035: Yeah, but typing Ü is tedious, hence my proposal. So maybe uvUST should be renamed to uvFÜST as soon as possible, I guess. It wouldn't be particularly controversial since, by your own statement, most of these catalogues are unmaintained. epicgenius (talk) 05:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
@Epicgenius: I've renamed the file (along with a bunch of others affected by that discussion). I would free up the redirect but I've been periodically sending batches of unused redirects into the deletion incinerator, so maybe there should be a blacklisted category for U → Ü and UE → Ü redirects so that I don't end up accidentally nominating them for deletion. Jc86035 (talk) 08:53, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
  • In my opinion Keep both icons; rename the filled one to   (uvFÜST) (canals need that, I suppose). Issues dealing with keyboard entering of any given character should be addressed at the proper location. -- Tuválkin 11:15, 21 February 2018 (UTC)