Talk:BSicon/Renaming

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See also: Talk:BSicon/Renaming/SPL,
Talk:BSicon/Renaming/ABZ,
Talk:BSicon/Renaming/k,
Talk:BSicon/Renaming/Canals and
Talk:BSicon/Renaming/Roads

For an explanation of BSicon naming see BSicon/Catalogue#Naming logic.

Non-orthogonal water crossings

This definitely needs to be straightened out (pun intended):

		ex	u	uex			ex	u	uex			ex	u	uex
Water diagonal					Rail diagonal
WKRZ2+4o					WKRZ2+4u
KRZW2+4o
WKRZq2+4o					WKRZq2+4u
WKRZ3+1o					WKRZ3+1u
KRZ3+1Wo					v-WKRZ3+1u
KRZ3+1Woq
WKRZq3+1o					WKRZq3+1u
hKRXWae					hKRXWaeq
Water turns					Rail uw turns					Rail k turns
					WKRZq+1u					kWKRZq+1u
										kWKRZ+1
					WKRZq2u					kWKRZ2
					hKRZWae2
					hKRZWae3					kWKRZq3u
					WKRZq+4u					kWKRZq+4u
KRZWr+1u					WKRZr+1u					kWKRZr+1
KRZW2+ru					WKRZ2+ru					kWKRZ2+r
WKRZ3+lu					KRZW3+lu					kWKRZ3+lu
WKRZl+4u					KRZWl+4u					kWKRZl+4u
										kWKRZl+4
					WKRZq2+1u					kKRZW2+1
		ex	u	uex			ex	u	uex			ex	u	uex

Useddenim (talk) 21:05, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

On turns

These recent uploads have patently wrong names:

	Over	Under
To left	(KRZWlo)	(KRZWlu)
From left	(KRZW+lo)	(KRZW+lu)
To right	(KRZWro)	(KRZWru)
From right	(KRZW+ro)	(KRZW+ru)

Based on names in Category:BSicon/railway/uw/crossing/curve, I think they should be renamed:

	Over	Under
To left	(WKRXul)	(WKRXol)
From left	(WKRXu+l)	(WKRXo+l)
To right	(WKRXur)	(WKRXor)
From right	(WKRXu+r)	(WKRXo+r)

Useddenim (talk) 15:16, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

But also your Suggestion I think is not correct. Naming should be from the perspective of the railway track (and they are primary BSicons, not Water-Icons), e.g.:

track is OVER water, so KRZWro or seen as X-crossing KRXWro. But why from the perspective of the water course WKRXur ?

Please compare with:  (KRZWo) respective  (STRro) with  (STRo). Zugspitz (talk) 19:09, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

@Zugspitz: KRX would indicate that the railway is on the diagonal, which is not the case with these icons. I referred to Category:BSicon/railway/uw/crossing/curve, where naming generally follows the practice of the straight line is the primary and the curve is the secondary. If the rail line is primary, then we end up with the more cumbersome  (STRloW3+1),  (STR+luW2+4), etc.  ( WKRZq2u) is an example of an existing icon that follows this convention. Useddenim (talk) 21:41, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

@Useddenim: Yes, this would be more consistent. Zugspitz (talk) 14:29, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

Naming for a PLANE without the associated canal

I would like to create a PLANE icon, without the associated canal, for cases where the existing colours do not fit. There is already a  (uPLANEd), for an inclined plane on a navigable waterway, and a  (ugPLANEd) for one on a former waterway that is no longer watered. I want a  (PLANEd), that is just the triangular bit, so I can lay it over a green/light red line, for the en:Somerset Coal Canal, where there is a dry waterway, which fed a railway inclined plane. However, I am not sure how to put it on the BSicon/Catalogue/watercourses page, because the entry for PLANEd seems to pick up the uPLANEd and the ugPLANEd icons, somehow. If I name it PLANEd, how do I get it to appear on the Catalogue page please? Bob1960evens (talk) 21:49, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

@Bob1960evens: The correct name is  (lPLANEd); the l prefix signifying a feature without an associated line. The icon now displays on the catalogue pages. Useddenim (talk) 05:17, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. Bob1960evens (talk) 06:41, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Is it maybe time to finally recolor all these PLANE icons off from  #F00  and  #00F  to respectively  #000  or  #AAA , and  #80A080 ? -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 17:53, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

It definitely feels the odd man out in BSicon/Catalogue/watercourses/infrastructure. How would you feel about increasing the line thickness and color to match a lock, and going for the structure/earthwork green color for the triangle?  (lPLANEd!) VanIsaac (en.wiki) 00:15, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

I like it! Useddenim (talk) 03:29, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

I like it, too! -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 19:33, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

And while we're at it, why not change it to RAMP for en:ramp/de:Rampe? Useddenim (talk) 20:05, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

I would be happy to build a set of RAMP icons to replace the current PLANE set. VanIsaac (en.wiki) 21:55, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

@Vanisaac: That would probably be less disruptive and controversial. Useddenim (talk) 22:52, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

 Done, and even added a few missing variations in the process. Now comes the job of replacing the old icons with the PLANE root with RAMP versions. Anyone know of a tools that can do that (semi)automatically? VanIsaac (en.wiki) 04:25, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

1/4 radius turns

	u	uex		u	uex
usSTRr			usSTRl
usSTR+r			usSTR+l
usSTR3+4			usSTR2+1
usSTR14			usSTR23
	u	uex		u	uex

YuDiao1118 has created these icons with the incorrect s prefix (which has been assigned to quadruple-width icons). Since the d prefix is used for half-width icons (which normally have 125px radius turns), I propose that they be renamed with d following the root (similar to v following the root for parallel line junctions):  (usSTRl) →  (uSTRdl), etc. Useddenim (talk) 03:18, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

I think it's more appropriate for you to do this and I'm sorry for the trouble I caused YuDiao1118 (talk) 12:14, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Deprecating WECHSEL?

 (WECHSEL) is identical to  (KSTRe※ uKSTRa※ GRZq)  and could be renamed to  (mSTR+GRZq), similar to  (STR+GRZq). Likewise  (uWECHSEL) →  (umSTR+GRZq). Useddenim (talk) 16:15, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Let’s do it! (Although would have to remain as a redirect, since this one is part of the de.wp BS canon.) -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 19:31, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

 Done (also  (mKMW) and  (umKMW)). Useddenim (talk) 20:40, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Also  Done:

•  (nWECHSEL) →  (mnSTR+GRZq)
•  (nWECHSELq) →  (mnSTRq+GRZ)
•  (unWECHSEL) →  (umnSTR+GRZq)
•  (unWECHSELq) →  (umnSTRq+GRZ)

OrdinaryScarlett (talk) 10:59, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Diagonal track ends, moved

So I created these:

•  (vENDEc3~F)
•  (lvENDEc3~G)
•  (lvENDEc4~G)
•  (lvENDEc2~G)

I used them to illustrate Category:Tram loop of Campo das Cebolas and the concept of diagonal track ends, moved, seems to be fairly simple — but I cannot justify the names I chose, properly, nor decide which would be the right ones. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 23:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

I would have sidestepped the issue by using  (umvENDE3+1). Useddenim (talk) 03:46, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Yes, but I’d need to add +1 row and +1 col. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 01:48, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

@Tuvalkin: Given  (ENDE3) ⇒  (ENDE3@F), then  (vENDE3) would imply  (vENDEc3~F vENDE3@F) and   (lvENDEc3~F lvENDE3@F). The other two might then be  (lvENDE3@F(r)) &  (lvENDE3@F(l))? Useddenim (talk) 15:16, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Seems logic. Unless there’s a better idea or a good reason why not, I’ll rename these like this soon. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 01:49, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

Deprecating ISLAND?

 (ISLAND) is topologically equivalent to  (SPLa)+ (SPLe) and could be renamed to  (SPLae), similar to  (hSTRae). Likewise  (WISLAND) →  (WSPLae). Useddenim (talk) 05:53, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Agreed – Squishyawaylittle6 (talk) 16:49, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

Agreed, too! -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 01:47, 16 August 2025 (UTC)

FEEDERs

Moved from User talk:Tuvalkin

 (WFEEDERqlg) &  (WFEEDERqrg) are both KSTRq+~G. Question is, should they be KSTRWq~G or KSTRq~G wasser? Useddenim (talk) 00:34, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

Well, if you ask me about BSicon names with spaces or not, you’ll get always the same answer: I like much better the option without spaces. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 13:38, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

My preference is also for KSTRWq~G but for a different reason: although the wasser suffix follows the naming convention, it also introduces a new – albeit existing – colour name. Useddenim (talk) 13:56, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

Yes, and BSicon wasser is not just a matter of color, but also the narrower stroke and its unique wiggliness (as you know very well, but just for the record). -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 14:05, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

These two feeder icons, have a non-wiggly, even narrower stroke, should perhaps be named with an n somewhere? -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 14:12, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

I had thought of that, but because it is a 50px wide line at an edge it is analogous to  (uexKSTRa~R), so not nSTR which would only be 25px wide in that position. Useddenim (talk) 14:18, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

Ah, good thinking: Not “n”, just normal width sliced in half. -- Tuválkin ✉ ✇ 14:40, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

Inconsistency

There exist two of the same (differently colored) icons with different name structures:  (u-KRZq2+4u) and  (-KRZ2+4o). These are versions of  (uvKRZ3+1u-) and  (vKRZ3+1u-) that are rotated counterclockwise. Which name is correct? Also, what would be the name of the name of the corresponding corner icon? ( (vKRZc4u-) rotated) – Squishyawaylittle6 (talk) 16:49, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

I've looked into the names of other existing icons (e.g.  (-KRZvo)  (-KRZo)) and it may be that both of these names are incorrect. The correct names, I think, are either   (u-KRZ2+4vo) and  (-KRZ2+4vo) or   (u-KRZ2+4o) and  (-KRZ2+4o). If it's the former, then  (-KRZ2+4vo)'s current name is also incorrect. Though, I still haven't figured out the correct name for the corner icon. – Squishyawaylittle6 (talk) 20:20, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

Regular
(KRZq2+4u)	(-KRZq2+4u)	(-KRZ2+4o)
(vKRZq2+4u)  (vvSTR~Rq)	(vvKRZq2+4u~Rq)	(-KRZ2+4vo)

Useddenim (talk) 14:32, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, those are the correct names. Should the corner icon's name be  (-KRZqc3u)? Squishyawaylittle6 (talk) 16:38, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

@Squishyawaylittle6: Given

(vKRZc4o-)	(v-KRZc1o)	&	(vKRZc4u-)	(v-KRZc1u)
(vKRZc3o-)	(v-KRZc2o)		(vKRZc3u-)	(v-KRZc2u)

then, yes. Useddenim (talk) 15:04, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the help – Squishyawaylittle6 (talk) 19:09, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

Possible legacy names

I have noticed that the icons in Category:BSicon/railway/tunnel/portal/DST/terminus (including other colors) are still named in old ways. Should they be renamed anyway? David Xuang (talk) 20:39, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

 Done. Useddenim (talk) 04:00, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

l-(l) or l(l)-?

Hello, I just uploaded  (hvSHI2g+l-(l)) and am now starting to wonder if the naming is acceptable or incorrect, and should have been  (hvSHI2g+l(l)-). Feedback would be appreciated. I usually think this over and search for similar icons for confirmation, but editing this one gave me more trouble than I had hoped so I uploaded it hastily. (I have messed names up before and keep the incorrect names mingled with the others on my Wikipedia user page for this reason, to avoid getting them wrong.) Please ping me when you have an answer. Thank you! Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 05:11, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

@Hotdog with ketchup: I would say  (hvSHI2g+l(l)-). Useddenim (talk) 02:56, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

@Useddenim: Thank you for letting me know, I will fix it right away. Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 03:07, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Name for elevated version of RP4e

Hello, what would I name an elevated full-width version of  (RP4e), since  (hRP4e) is taken? I have it (and its mirrored "w" variant) all set for uploading but was not expecting a naming issue. Perhaps   (hKRP4e)/w/n/s? Although that would mean renaming the at-grade icons too… Please let me know what would be best. Thank you! Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 02:20, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

I think that  (RP4e) should be   (RP4aq).

@Tuvalkin: your naming scheme… Useddenim (talk) 03:30, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

But with  (hRP4aq), that would not work, unless several icons are changed. Perhaps  (hRP4a)(q) becomes   (hRP4a@g)(q), and  (hRP4e)(q) becomes   (hRP4e@f)(q). Does that sound feasible? Hotdog with ketchup (talk) 21:00, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

That would seem be the way to go:

	RP4	STR	RP4–q	STR–q
—aq	(RP4a)	(KSTRa)	(RP4aq)	(KSTRaq)
h—aq	(hRP4a)	(hSTRa)	(hRP4aq)	(hSTRaq)
h—a@gq	(hRP4a@g)	(hSTRa@g)	(hRP4a@gq)	(hSTRa@gq)
—eq	(RP4e)	(KSTRe)	(RP4eq)	(KSTReq)
h—eq	(hRP4e)	(hSTRe)	(hRP4eq)	(hSTReq)
h—e@fq	(hRP4e@f)	(hSTRe@f)	(hRP4e@fq)	(hSTRe@fq)

Useddenim (talk) 23:48, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Feature over two rows

Based on the naming scheme for  (v2ÜSTla) and  (v2ÜSTle), I named the following two-row files as:

1.  (vÜSTl2a) and  (vÜSTl2e), as a smoother version of  (vÜSTl2)
2.  (vSTR2~l~la) and  (vSTR2~l~le), as a smoother version of  (vSPL2~l~l), although I have a feeling it may start with "vSTR2~l~r" if the track is interpreted as jumping from the left hand side to the right.

They are being used to make the Template:Athens railway station diagram less abrupt.

I am still trying to get a hang of the naming scheme, so please rename if the naming is a bit off. --Minoa (talk) 10:45, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

v2ÜSTla vÜSTl2a v2ÜSTl2e vÜSTl2e

@Minoa: I uploaded  (v2ÜSTl2e) which pairs with  (v2ÜSTla) and has a much less abrupt transition than vÜSTl2a/vÜSTl2e. Useddenim (talk) 04:51, 9 December 2025 (UTC)