Talk:BSicon/Renaming

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See also: Talk:BSicon/Renaming/SPL,
Talk:BSicon/Renaming/ABZ,
Talk:BSicon/Renaming/k and
Talk:BSicon/Renaming/Canals

Disconnected parallel stations[edit]

@Useddenim, Tuvalkin:   (evDST-BHF) and   (veDST-eBHF) are duplicates; there are probably a few more in the category. Would the latter icon's title be more appropriate (I think it would be)? Jc86035 (talk) 03:31, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes. When there are different features on parallel lines icons they should be parsed individually to avoid any amibguity. Useddenim (talk) 04:46, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
I think I've fixed all of them (only one duplicate, though). Jc86035 (talk) 09:50, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

uexhSKRZ-GDoa & uexhSKRZ-GDoe[edit]

¿Why do   (uexhSKRZ-GDoa) and   (uexhSKRZ-GDoe) have the -o suffix if neither   (uexhSKRZ-GD),   (uhSKRZ-GDa) or   (uhSKRZ-GDe) have it? ¿Shouldn't they be renamed to   (uexhSKRZ-GDa) and   (uexhSKRZ-GDe)? --Snooze123 (talk) 21:37, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

@Snooze123: It looks like I missed them when renaming the road icons in 2017. Fixed. Jc86035 (talk) 09:41, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

File:BSicon_gKRZ+4ov-STR3.svg[edit]

Although semantically correct, it's not the greatest name for this:   (gKRZ+4ov-STR3). Any suggestions Jc86035, Tuvalkin? Useddenim (talk) 01:18, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

@Useddenim: I think   (gSTR+4o+gv-STR3) or   (gv-STR3+gSTR+4o) (like   (vSHI1lo-uexSTRr)) would be clearer. I don't know how the order should be determined. Jc86035 (talk) 09:45, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
  (gSTR+4o+gv-STR3), so that it's clear that only one line is on the parallel alignment. Useddenim (talk) 12:53, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

SHI2[edit]

@Useddenim, Tuvalkin, Epicgenius: I've renamed all of the BS2 icons outside the two standard sets to SHI2. I previously renamed the elevated icons to SHI2 in August 2017. The last discussion on the topic was in December 2017.

  • Is it time to rename the remaining 204 BS2 icons?
  • Should the 862 KRW icons be renamed to SHI4 as well?

Jc86035 (talk) 10:31, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

@Jc86035: I think the BS2 and KRW icons should be renamed as well for consistency. In both cases, there is a mix of both prefixes. epicgenius (talk) 16:03, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
  • Rename, but keep the old names as redirects. -- Tuválkin 21:27, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Agree. Useddenim (talk) 03:28, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

What's up with the tildes?[edit]

I came across some inconsistencies in YLSS's list; for example,   (uexlBHF~F) but the side says "lBHFf". So can someone please explain to me why this is the case for the moved icons? -- Ben79487 00:25, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

@Ben79487: It's likely because of a left-over redirect from a previous move. Useddenim (talk) 17:39, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
@Ben79487, Useddenim: As noted on Tuvalkin's talk page, this was part of the 2018 suffix standardization changes. YLSS stopped editing about four years ago, so some of his catalogues are now out of date because he hasn't been around to update them. Jc86035 (talk) 14:39, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
@Jc86035: Thanks for the info! – Ben79487 22:35, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Naming guidelines[edit]

I’m totally lost, it seems: Not only I cannot be sure how to name a very simple icon I need to create (BSicon .svgBSicon WASSERq.svgBSicon MASKr.svgBSicon uhvSTR~L.svg ) but I can’t even find the page with filenaming guidelines. :-\ -- Tuválkin 15:16, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@Tuvalkin: I'm not totally sure about that one either. I think uhvKRZW~L could be correct (per Talk:BSicon/Renaming/Archive 12#WSTR); the water would probably be expected to line up normally, per   (uhvKRZt~L) (the dashes aren't transformed along with the viaduct), although I thought that could be an issue. Jc86035 (talk) 15:22, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
  • I thought of uhvKRZW~L, too, or maybe uhvWKRZ~L — but when I tried to check it with the main page with all the naming guidelines, I searched everywhere I couldn’t find it. Where is it? -- Tuválkin 16:55, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
@Tuvalkin: I think the only thing that isn't mentioned is that W can now be used as a suffix. The other parts could largely be constructed from the available information. Jc86035 (talk) 04:56, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
vSTR
c\hcdvSTR~L
hcdvSTR~R\c
uhvKRZt~L
There should be a v- (not a plain v) in the name because there is only a single line. Useddenim (talk) 15:47, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@Useddenim: I don't think that would be necessary. Because of the transform the track centre is at x=500, and implying that there are two tracks (at x=375 and x=625) obviates the need to explicitly remove a formation at x=500; the two formations are supposed to be at x=250 and x=750. The name with the transform is also shorter than uhv-KRZW(Rr).
See also   (hcdvSTR~L) /   (hcdvSTR~R); I uploaded these last June and I don't think they would have been possible without the ~L/~R suffixes. Jc86035 (talk) 15:57, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Hmmm, the cdvs don't line up with anything, and uhvKRZt~L is definitely a single parallel line. Useddenim (talk) 20:35, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@Useddenim: They do actually line up; the lines are at x=125 and x=250. (The transformation is for half the width or height of the icon, and this sort of situation is why I chose to propose it this way instead of using a fixed one.) Jc86035 (talk) 03:38, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Guys, please, can anyone point me to the page about naming guidelines? That’s all I wanted. -- Tuválkin 08:28, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
    @Tuvalkin: I don't think we have one, actually. The main catalogue page explains a lot of the rules, but we don't really have anything else. Jc86035 (talk) 09:19, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Ah, yes, that’s what I was looking for! Thanks so much, @Jc86035: Indeed not the place we’d think about, and I browsed links to the catalog mentally going «Not here, not here, … — where the hell is it?» -- Tuválkin 13:26, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Parallel, across, mixed[edit]

Is   (vSTRq saffron+teal) supposed to be named mvSTRq teal+saffron or mvSTRq saffron+teal? If we were to take mvSTR teal+saffron and rotate it 90° anticlockwise we would get this icon, so we would be using the former name. However, if we were to follow the top-to-bottom naming logic of the horizontal parallel lines syntax, we would use the latter name.

I don't remember if there are any correctly-named icons which are like this, but I don't think there are any. Per Talk:BSicon/Renaming/Archive 9#Parallel lines, the consensus is to ignore that the parallel mixed icons don't use the same naming logic as other icons (e.g.   (emvSTR) vs.   (emKRZ)), so it's not clear to me which one it should be. Jc86035 (talk) 04:00, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Choose one and create a redirect from the other. It won't matter unless someone needs the inverse. Useddenim (talk) 20:44, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
There is actually   (fmvKSTRaq +yellow), which I renamed last July based on the first approach. I guess that settles it. Jc86035 (talk) 10:48, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

A better name for this[edit]

BSicon SHI1r+c4.svg

I needed this one and searched a long time for it, and then a long time for its name:   (SHI1r+SHI1c4). Any better ideas? -- Tuválkin 20:25, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@Tuvalkin: I think SHI1r+c4 would be better (other options include vvSHI1r-SHI1r- and vSHI1+l~R). However, this search indicates that there's only one icon named this way,   (SHI2gl+c4) (uploaded by Vunz), and it uses a regular corner instead of a two-quarter shift corner. In Talk:BSicon/Renaming/Archive 11#BS2 there was rough consensus to e.g. use SHI2rxl+c2 for   (BS2rxl), so I think it would also be appropriate to rename   (SHI2gl+c4) to SHI2gl+STRc4. Jc86035 (talk) 12:16, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
✓ Done. Jc86035 (talk) 11:02, 15 May 2019 (UTC)