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Statistics (Please do not archive)[edit]

Date Number of Creator templates Number of Files using Creator template
3049
‎125k
‎185k
6430 281k
7488 321k
8698 379k
10,285 452k
15,441 872k

Only says "birth" even if also death-info[edit]

The following:

{{Creator
 | Name              = Fortuné Méaulle
 | Birthdate         = 1844-04-11
 | Birthloc          = Angers
 | Deathyear         = 1901
 | Deathloc          = 
}}

displays as:

Fortuné Méaulle (1844–1901) Link back to Creator infobox template

Name from Wikidata[edit]

The template will need a major rewrite, probably in Lua to make full use of Wikidata, but maybe we can already use Wikidata for name retrieval, so that we do not need to maintain all those {{langSwitch|en=blabla|ru=bloblbo|ar=bliblibli}}. I think that simply requires transforming all {{{Name|}}} into {{{Name| {{label|{{{Wikidata|}}} }} }}. --Zolo (talk) 08:59, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

This would be a major improvement. --Robert.Allen (talk) 08:32, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
  • I came here to post the same thing. Kind of silly to maintain this manually when Wikidata is already organizing the translations. czar 07:58, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
So user:Jarekt, would you implement this version ? Not a nice code for sure, but it should work until we get the Lua version. --Zolo (talk) 13:44, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
That is an ugly code but I agree that it would work. However once we pull name from the wikidata than I am afraid we will get request to pull dates or locations, or wikisource links. All of them would be great but it would overcomplicate the already messy template. Another solution would be to keep current template as "core" and write outer layer to deal with wikidata. I was experimenting with that in April, here, but in the end decided that it would be better to just rewrite it in Lua. I have started to work on Lua version and hope to finish it this summer. --Jarekt (talk) 02:49, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
I have a better (hopefully) idea: as part of rewriting Creator template in LUA, I wiss start with {{name}} template and write it to handle more cases, that will simplify template:Creator code and make it easier to add wikidata based name. --Jarekt (talk) 12:04, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
✓ Done For example Creator:Peter Paul Rubens is missing "name" field and it is pulling it from the wikidata. --Jarekt (talk) 17:25, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your work, Jarekt. But I am not sure if the code works right. With https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Creator:Peter_Paul_Rubens?uselang=ar I expect to see the name in Arabic but it is written in Latin script. Or do I misunderstand the functionaliy? btw: the link goes to arwiki. Raymond 18:35, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Raymond, That is due to phabricator:T140792 bug; If you switch your native language to ar the Creator:Peter_Paul_Rubens page will have correct translations. --Jarekt (talk) 18:53, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
Jarekt, thank you for pointing me to this bug. Raymond 19:02, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
@Zolo:, maybe the issue is with module:Wikidata. I can imagine that if "lang" is provided but not used in all parts of the code we would have that issue. For example if some parts of the code relied on "lang" provided by the template and some on {{int:lang}} we could have issues described in that phabricator ticket. Could you check? --Jarekt (talk) 19:07, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
It is actually related to the behavior of mw.wikibase.label() that is not compatible with ?uselang. I have disabled it here and it fixes the issue, with potentially large large cost on memory usage that will need to be addressed in a more technical place. --Zolo (talk) 20:03, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Category:Creator templates without Wikidata link[edit]

Perhaps the best way to deal with them would be through https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/? in case any one feels like importing the data. --Zolo (talk) 09:46, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

That sounds like a good suggestion. However we should probably try to follow wikilinks first. For example if name has a link to wikipedia article and wikipedia article is linked with wikidata than we can grab that link that way. It is just matter of writing some Python code to do it. Once we are done with this option than we can ask volunteers to match them by hand. --Jarekt (talk) 18:11, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
I think user:multichill and user:poulpy have already done this sort of thing ? Zolo (talk) 18:41, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Most Creator templates were matched with wikidata, but those that did not still have wikilinks. For example Creator:Auguste de Creuse -> en:Auguste de Creuse -> d:Q2871477. Maybe the issue is that since that code run, commons, wikipedias and wikidata were changing, so the connections that were not possible then might be possible now. May be it would be possible to rerun those codes. --Jarekt (talk) 20:08, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Another interesting way of linking would be through VIAF numbers for example  Creator:Antonio González Ruiz has VIAF value = 86950878, same with d:Q8201255. I wonder if there is an easy way (from LUA maybe?) to look up what item has VIAF=86950878. --Jarekt (talk) 20:16, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
This sounds like the sort of thing User:Magnus Manske often does. Andy Mabbett (talk) 20:23, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
I actually figured out a way to use User:Magnus Manske's multibeacon tool to do the job. When combined with this trick one can use AWB (or even visual file editor) to edit large batches of images. --Jarekt (talk) 23:46, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Near[edit]

I have no idea what {{near}} template means, when used as creator option, as in File:Olpe athletes Louvre G242.jpg, where {{Creator:Kleophrades Painter|near}} gives

name not supported Link back to Creator infobox template wikidata:Q1347940
Description

Greek red-figure vase painter

Work period between circa 505 and circa 475 BC
Work location Attica
Authority control

. It might mean something in other languages but it is meaningless in English. And we need to fix it or remove it as one of the Creator options. The phrase makes sense when used as in Creator:Walenty Wańkowicz, where Kaluzyca {{lcfirst:{{near}}}} {{Minsk}} gives "Kaluzyca near Minsk". I hope it makes sense in other languages. --Jarekt (talk) 03:34, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Also "namepiece" option oes not make sense in English as in {{Creator:Master of the Brandon Portrait|namepiece}} that gives
Master of the Brandon Portrait (fl. circa 1510-1540) Link back to Creator infobox template wikidata:Q21995764
Master of the Brandon Portrait (fl. circa 1510-1540)
Alternative names Master of the Brandon Portraits, Master of Queen Mary Tudor
Description

Flemish painter and draughtsman

Work period circa 1510-1540
Work location Southern Netherlands, England
Authority control
  • wikidata:Q21995764

. Maybe french version makes sense: "objet eponyme", but both phrases do not show up in wiktionary.--Jarekt (talk) 03:54, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Près (literally "near") indeed shows up in the Louvre's entry [1] but I had never seen that, and I am not quite sure of the meaning. @Jastrow: ?
"Objet éponyme" means that after which the artist was named like Brandon portrait -> Master of the Brandon Portrait. The English spelling seems to be "" [2]. Not sure this really belongs here though: it is usually self-evident, and might get confusing if the artist has different names in different languages. --Zolo (talk) 09:00, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

About {{near}}, please refer to Template talk:Creator/Archive 2#Determiner. "Namepiece", "name piece" and "name-piece" are different spellings used in the literature, the latter being more frequent. A search on JSTOR, for instance, will attest their academic use. Just because you don't know what a word means doesn't mean it's meaningless. Jastrow (Λέγετε) 11:03, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Ok I guess both of those make sense now, and I found "namepiece" used in some wikipedia articles. I wrote wiktionary:namepiece definition and probably should write short article about the term and link it from the term when used. "Near" is a farther streach, maybe it means something to art experts, but we should link to some explanation of the term, when we use it. Alternativly we can use "Manner of " which is more clear. --Jarekt (talk) 18:00, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Strange behaviuour[edit]

File:Rytec Ludvik Arnost Buquoy ; kreslir Antonin Pucherna 1776-12.6.1852 - Serie pohledu na pozoruhodna mista v Praze a okoli Sarka Eine Partie aus der Scharka.jpg Creator:Antonín Pucherna with the paramater "after" does not give "after ..." but "formerly attributed to..." What is wrong here (and where? in that Creator page or in the Template:Creator itself?) --AndreasPraefcke (talk) 18:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Found it myself eventually. It was in the Template:After. I reverted that change that must have been a mistake. --AndreasPraefcke (talk) 19:01, 9 August 2016 (UTC)