User:Diti/Permissions/Furry survey

Free licensing the furry survey(s) — Diti

from		Dimitri Torterat <wikipedia at adelieland.eu>
to		Alex Osaki - Furry Research Center <alex at furcenter.org>
date		Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 4:11 PM
subject	Free licensing the furry survey(s)


Dear Alex,

I was reading the daily journals from watched persons on Fur Affinity, when I
came across this PDF of yours that bears upon the results of your furry survey
<http://www.klisoura.com/furrypoll.php> for 2008. I contribute to this widely-
used project named Wikipedia, the free (as in “freedom”) encyclopedia. Yet, as
you might know, one of the most important pillars of Wikipedia is to cite
secondary sources, in order to deserve verifiable articles
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:VER#Sources>. And, as you can see on
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Furry_fandom/to_do>, the current article
about the furry fandom needs more sources and references, something that your
PDF file can bring.

The Wikimedia Commons <http://commons.wikimedia.org/> is a repository of free
content images, sound and other multimedia files. Like Wikipedia, it is a project
of the Wikimedia Foundation. It provides a common resource repository to all the
various Wikimedia sister projects in any language; but, the files being free, it
allows everyone to copy, share (on a blog for example), adapt (I would like to
translate it) and even use them commercially.

Your PDF has a great potential and I would love to see it released under a free
license. A free license (“some rights reserved”, or even “all rights released”
for works within the public domain), reverse concept of the copyright (“all
rights reserved”, nobody can do anything with your file), is the guarantee that
your work will be freely spreadable around the whole world, helping everybody to
understand the furry fandom.

I would be glad to see this PDF, and even any future file, hosted on the
Wikimedia Commons servers. Would you consider offering it to anyone, thanks to a
free license (which also protects your works, by the way)? If yes, in what
conditions (credit to the author or not, derivative files from yours also being
free or not)?

I am here if you have any question (ex.: why do we need the works to be usable
commercially), and look forward to your reply. Please note that the content of
our emails will be available at the address
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Diti/Permissions/Furry_survey>
in order to make legal processes easier; please tell me if you don't want to.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Diti, administrator at Wikimedia Commons.
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Diti>

— Diti
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• WikiFur: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Diti
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Re: Free licensing the furry survey(s) — Alex

from		Alex Osaki - Furry Research Center <alex at furcenter.org>
to		Dimitri Torterat <wikipedia at adelieland.eu>
date		Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:08 PM
subject	Re: Free licensing the furry survey(s)


I'm a big believer in free licensing, don't worry. I never addressed it in the
PDF because I guess I just never thought about it...

Here are my issues:

1) Obviously I would prefer that any derivatives of it also be licensed for open
redistribution and preferably non-commercial distribution. I don't imagine that
being a problem though.
2) I have updated the file and the results in the past (most notably Kyle Evans
asked me to do so)... if there was a way either to ensure that the commons version
was also the most up to date or people knew where to find any updates (probably
the first one is preferable) that would be helpful.
3) I would like to remain credited as the author, for the sole reason that I can
answer questions about it that not everyone else can, since I wrote it and all of
the data was either analysed by me or by someone I can get in touch with on short
notice. This also means that criticisms and complaints come back to me instead of
some other hapless soul.

Other than that, though, I don't care who redistributes things or not. The
Research Center as an institution has sort of ground to a halt as its members
have had other real-life issues intervene, so I'm liable to take it over
completely. In that case, my personal opinion is that I think most information
wants to be free. Redistribute, translate, go further with it, I'm a-ok with that.
In point of fact, it probably suits the nature of the survey (grass-roots,
internal) to be made as open as possible. I suppose the only further caveat is
that, of course, I can't vouch for the accuracy of anything beyond the original
work, but I suppose that's the nature of the beast.

-Alex Osaki
alex at furcenter.org

Re: Re: Free licensing the furry survey(s) — Diti

from		Dimitri Torterat <wikipedia at adelieland.eu>
to		Alex Osaki - Furry Research Center <alex at furcenter.org>
date		Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:51 AM
subject	Re: Free licensing the furry survey(s)


Hmm, well, let me give you some information about your issues:

       1. So, the licenses that would apply to your works would be the
CC-by-sa 3.0 US <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/>
and the GFDL <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License>.
To chose both licenses at the same time will allow people to use the one they want
depending on their needs; for a translation that aims to be printed, the GFDL is
better, but for a quotation on some page, the CC-by-sa is better. But it's not
really possible to upload them under a non-commercial clause… you can read here
the reasons: <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:BD-propagande-2_(en).jpg>.

       2. If you're ok for people to upload any version of your files (former or
latter) from your website to Commons, please say so, it is one of the solutions of
your issue. Here's how I see the thing: each version of this survey is uploaded as
different files, for archiving purposes, and also, the latest version is uploaded
as an another file.
Indeed, Commons allow uploaders to override former versions of files
—mostly for image retouching (example here:
<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Antarctica_ice_shelves.svg#filehistory>)—,
so you can manage to have this last file always be up-to-date, while the other one
are kept for archiving purposes. I'll most likely take care of this by myself, but
please note that any registered user can upload files, including you. And feel
free to link to the future page instead of the file itself on your website: it
will allow people to have a description of the files before downloading, it will
allow them to see they can modify them, and it will save bandwidth for you. Up to
you. :)

       3. The Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike (CC-by-sa 3.0 US) will ask
people to credit you anyway. But I think I could do as several people do
(<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Templates_for_specific_users>):
write an informational template asking people to send feedback to you if they want.

Do you agree with the double licensing above? If you don't know it yet, these
licenses include a clause saying that any derivative made by another user is
independent of the original work; in a nutshell, you legally won't be responsible
of modified texts, meaning that the point of view of the “new author” can't be
taken as yours. Only the original version (yours) is accurate.

— Diti
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• WikiFur: http://en.wikifur.com/wiki/Diti
• FurAffinity: http://www.furaffinity.net/user/diti/
• Wikimedia: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Diti

Re: Re: Re: Free licensing the furry survey(s) — Alex

from		Alex Osaki - Furry Research Center <alex at furcenter.org>
to		Dimitri Torterat <wikipedia at adelieland.eu>
date		Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 2:15 AM
subject	Re: Free licensing the furry survey(s)


First of all, I apologise for the delay in responding to you; I've been moving and
lost access to the Interwebs for awhile.

I'm on board with your proposals--you don't need to template it or anything.
Realise I'm fully behind releasing it under an open license, I just don't (didn't)
understand the issues behind it.

-alex

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