User:NikNaks/Malaysia

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To do[edit]

  • BERSEKUTU
  • New PoW badge
  • Switch arms on flag raising emblem
  • New tree emblem

Discussion[edit]

Right, just over a year since your original request and I've made a start on it. I could use some information:
Thanks for looking into this! I'd pretty much given up. My responses are below. By the way, "File:Coat of arms of the Federation of Malaya.svg" (above) seems to be inaccurate. — Cheers, JackLee talk 08:32, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
  • What is the crown lying on top of the red and black cross bottom-right?
Flag of the Kingdom of Sarawak (1870–1946)
That portion of the coat of arms is a representation of the former flag of the Kingdom of Sarawak (1870–1946): see "Flag of Sarawak". This website simply describes the crown as a "five-pointed crown". Could it be an Eastern crown (see my comment on the Federated Malay States coat of arms below)? — Cheers, JackLee talk 08:32, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Is there a larger version of the flag-hoisting emblem bottom-left, and what flag is it?
Coat of arms of the North Borneo Chartered Company
Flag of Sabah 1963–1982
It is a crest from the arms of the (British) North Borneo Chartered Company (right), and this website describes it as "two arms hold[ing] flag flowing to the sinister Or charged with lion guardant Gules" (there are illustrations on the website). The commentary on the website says "The crest shows two human arms grasping a flag flying to the right. One of these arms appears to be that of a Caucasian and the other that of a person of darker hue." What I cannot tell is the design of the tiny flag held by the two arms. Originally it was a red lion, but the one on the coat of arms of Malaysia doesn't seem to be that. It may have been the Flag of Sabah used between 1963 and 1982 (below right). — Cheers, JackLee talk 08:32, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Can you provide a text version of the non-Latin script for me? Typing it out on here would be fine.
    • It's the motto "Bersekutu Bertambah Mutu" ("Unity is Strength") in Jawi, that is, Malay written in Arabic letters. I don't know Jawi, so I'll ask for help at "en:Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language". (Also, I noticed that "File:Coat of arms of the Federation of Malaya.svg" (in the gallery above) seems to have the Arabic characters.) — Cheers, JackLee talk 08:32, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
    • A discussion at the page mentioned above has yielded "برصکوتو برتبح موتو" as a possibility, but this isn't an official transliteration. — Cheers, JackLee talk 17:23, 11 May 2014 (UTC) (Don't use this for the time being; waiting for a friend to provide a better transliteration. — Cheers, JackLee talk 19:08, 12 May 2014 (UTC))
  • Are the Prince of Wales feathers meant to be that blue-green colour, or is that an artifact of the image itself?
Coat of arms of Penang
I suppose it is whatever colour the Prince of Wales feathers usually are (white, I assume). According to "Coat of arms of Penang", the blazon is "Barry wavy of eight Azure and Argent upon a chief crenellée Or a plume of three ostrich feathers surmounted by a riband of the First on the riband the words Ich Dien in letters of the Third". See the image on the right, though I'm guessing the azure colour is wrong. — Cheers, JackLee talk 08:32, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
If you can answer those I should be able to finish it to a reasonable degree. Unfortunately getting the tigers to look more presentable is a bit beyond my capabilities, so they'll have to do for now.
Also, if you could identify the crown and text on the Malay States arms as well, I can make a better vector of that using this graphic, rather than the horrible traced version we have at the moment. NikNaks talk - gallery - wikipedia 00:22, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
According to "w:Federated Malay States#Coat of arms", it is an Eastern crown. The motto is again Jawi: "Dipelihara Allah" ("Under Allah's Protection"). Will have to ask for assistance for this. — Cheers, JackLee talk 08:41, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Again, an unofficial translation from the English Wikipedia reference desk yielded "دڤليعاراء لله" as a possibility. — Cheers, JackLee talk 17:23, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Managed to get in touch with someone who knows Jawi. The correct transliteration is "د ﭬﻠﻴﻬﺎﺭا اﻟﻠﻪ", but because it is written in a calligraphic form, he suggests that you follow the style in the file that I'm going to e-mail you. — Cheers, JackLee talk 16:26, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Right, I've found that the coat of arms on Flag_of_Putrajaya.svg are far superior to other versions available, so I've pulled the tigers, the scrolls (which include the text already - is it correct?) and the hoisting hands from that. I've modified the flag on the hoist to look much more like the flag of Sabah, which seems to look right to me.
I've also used the crown from the Sarawak flag, and the crown and stars from the flag of Singapore itself. It now looks pretty much finished unless you can spot any errors in the text. I will do as you suggested on the email and look for missing linking lines, and then I'll start work on the others and get them up to the same standard. NikNaks talk - gallery - wikipedia 19:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Another version of the royal heraldic badge of the Prince of Wales
"File:Coat of arms of Malaysia (1963 to 1965).svg" is looking pretty good, particularly the tigers! I noticed the following, though:
  • The first word of the motto is "BERSEKUTU", not "BERSEK". Can't confirm the Jawi words yet; will have to wait for my friend to provide the text.
  • The Prince of Wales's royal heraldic badge you used looks slightly different from the one on "File:Penang coat of arms.jpg", which appears to have the riband going right across the base of the three feathers (rather like the photograph on the right) and no crown. However, if your version better matches the blazon (which I can't really make much sense of!), stick to it.
  • As for the Sabah emblem, "File:BNBCC-Logo.png" indicates that it is the arm on our left which has a darker skin tone, while the arm on our right is wearing a sleeve (and so is presumably that of a white man). This appears to be confirmed by this website, which also has the emblem in colour, though I have no idea whether the colours used were simply imagined by the artist.
  • The tree emblem on the right is from the coat of arms of Malacca, and we have a better version of it at "File:Coat of arms of Malacca.svg" (right), which is apparently based on an official version on the website of the Government of Melaka. You may want to use the tree from that image instead.
— Cheers, JackLee talk 19:51, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Okay, see my changes to (most of) the listed vectors:

  • Tree replaced on all images where it appears
  • "Coat of arms" replaced with one from Putrajaya flag
  • "Arms" replaced with shield from said flag
  • "Malaysia 63-65" updated with improved tree, feathers, flag-raising emblem and lettering
  • "Malay States" arms replaced wholesale with variation of existing coat of arms

Now, I still need to do the following:

  • Add the script and suns to the banner on the "Malay States" one
  • Add the tigers and banner to the "Federation of Malaya" one, and add the correct script, and possibly additional alterations (you said it was inaccurate?)
My friend said that the Jawi motto in the original image seemed to be a bit distorted because the links between the characters have disappeared. Also, note the redundant circular symbol which is the second one from the left. You could try to reconstruct them based on the file I e-mailed you. By the way, doesn't the crown only have five points? — Cheers, JackLee talk 15:19, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

If you have anything else you can see that needs doing, let me know. Also, if you know of any other arms or flags that use the arms that need updating, list them here and I'll go through and update them. NikNaks talk - gallery - wikipedia 18:56, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

"File:Coat of arms of the Federation of Malaya.svg" looks great – thanks! I am still waiting to hear from my friend about the Jawi text. If any changes are required I'll let you know. Sure, will contact you again if any other coats of arms need vectorization. Hope you find it fun! — Cheers, JackLee talk 15:19, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
(Replied from..) Well.. I'm just fixing the waves, the tiger body and resize it a bit. But pretty sad when the current coat of arms will only free from copyright in 2015 as the last modified in 1965, not 1964. :( — ᴀʟʀᴇᴀᴅʏ ʙᴏʀᴇᴅ ʜᴜʜ? 21:08, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Well, so long as one or both of us saves a copy, we're free to upload it again on January 1st. :P
What did you fix on the tiger body? I thought that I'd already fixed the waves on my version, too? NikNaks talk - gallery - wikipedia 21:12, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, if I'm still available here on the next year. I hope you can save the current version too. I've just fix on the tiger tails which you can see there is no space on the tails anymore. Same goes to the wave. :P — ᴀʟʀᴇᴀᴅʏ ʙᴏʀᴇᴅ ʜᴜʜ? 21:35, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Eh, maybe you can give some opinion about the coa here. I just realise there is three more modification to the coat of arms. :P — ᴀʟʀᴇᴀᴅʏ ʙᴏʀᴇᴅ ʜᴜʜ? 11:52, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Nik, I saw an example of the 1965 coat of arms and just modified the tigers. I think the 1963 shield your create is almost done. Based on the example, the shield width should be like the size in the 1965 and the present coat of arms. Can you modified it?. — ᴀʟʀᴇᴀᴅʏ ʙᴏʀᴇᴅ ʜᴜʜ? 07:07, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
..and the star, it should be 14 points. — ᴀʟʀᴇᴀᴅʏ ʙᴏʀᴇᴅ ʜᴜʜ? 13:51, 4 June 2014 (UTC)