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Image:Nuclear weapon size chart.jpg

I had an image at Image:Nuclear weapon size chart.jpg which had been in place at many articles on the English Wikipedia for YEARS. Someone came along, erased the copyright tag (I imagine—everything I do is properly copyright tagged, and I am a long-time contributor), and then you deleted it. Do you check the image history to see if it was simple vandalism? I've had numerous images now that end up in some category for deletion because of vandals—could you PLEASE just check to see if the history was blanked or whatever of a given image before you delete it, if it is not an obvious copyvio? I don't have the original file anymore. If it's gone, then it's gone. --Fastfission (talk) 11:45, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Herby already restored it. I should not check the history. It must do user which put nld-template.--Ahonc (talk) 13:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi Ahonc! I'm just passing by to say thanks for your support in my admin request! I hope to stay up to the trust you deposited in me. Best regards, Waldir talk 15:07, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

О политике в отношении изображений

В ответ на ваше замечание на talk: Знаете, меня откровенно задрали придирками по лицензиям, к Own work работам. Я ДАРЮ фонду Викимедиа свои работы, а в ответ на это получаю груды спама от админов, с предложениями подтвердить им статус лицензий и прочей чепухи. Так что можете блокировать, мне будет куда меньше беспокойств. Я понимаю, что на мое место станет новая толпа фриков, готовых работать на Википедию, но сейчас действия фонда по лицензионной политике идут в разрез с логикой. Если на ЮТубе контент удаляется по требованию правообладателя и не возникает никаких проблем, то в Википедии админы непрерывно терроризируют правообладателей подаривших свои работы фонду... конечно найдутся фанаты которые будут продолжать грузить изображения, а потом доказывать что "не верблюды", но в конечном итоге это будут люди с определенным социальным статусом: взрослый занятой человек не станет заниматься этой чепухой - он просто уйдет. Чем это грозит фонду, я думаю вы сами можете спрогнозировать. --Buslov Anton (talk) 09:59, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


Please undelete the above image. It was properly released under an open license and informed as such in its description. Also, in future please READ the page before deleting an image. Just because it's listed at some category doesn't make it unfree and a valid deletion target. Thanks. -- Alexander Gieg (talk) 12:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I read page. Image had no source which confirmed GFDL-license.--Ahonc (talk) 13:01, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
The source was Carvalho's wife. What exactly did you expect to find? -- Alexander Gieg (talk) 13:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
But how do you know it? You are not uploader and you may not know where did he take this image. I expect find link to web-site or to OTRS-permission ticket (or "own work" if it is own work by uploader)--Ahonc (talk) 13:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I'm e-mailing her. -- Alexander Gieg (talk) 14:04, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
By the way, while she doesn't reply me, can I suggest you send a warning to the talk pages of the articles using images you intend to delete, say, a week before actually deleting them? While almost no one adds images to their watch lists, so almost no one is aware an image is in the process of being considered for deletion, everyone who's potentially interested in them watch the articles where they are used. Doing this would surely be seen as polite, not to mention it would be a way to provide some time for someone to object to the delete action and to try to get whatever is required for the image to not be deleted. As things currently are, everyone is taken by surprise when you make these "unannounced" deletes, and they really feel wronged by that. I certainly did. -- Alexander Gieg (talk) 23:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Before deleting user which tagged image also put warning to uploader's talk pages and uploader knows about it. If he is inactive on Commons, he can enable "E-mail notification" option in Preferences.--Ahonc (talk) 08:10, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
The uploader isn't the only person able to help. Talking only to him is wrong. What if he's on vacation? On a wikibreak? Away for some reason? Active editors of the articles where images are used can help too. Deleting an image doesn't affect only the uploader, it affects dozens of editor who aren't aware of the private non-talk going between an active deleter and a missing, unresponsive, inactive original uploader.
Also, if I'm not mistaken the image page mentioned the e-mail address of the original photographer, Mrs. Roxane Andrade. Have you attempted contacting her? If no, why not? -- Alexander Gieg (talk) 13:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
But if image is used in many Wikipedias in many articles we must notify all it's authors. It's impossible. And also how editors know where the uploader take this image?--Ahonc (talk) 13:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
It can be difficult when an image is used in 10,000 articles. But when it's used in, let's say, 8 articles only, it's a matter of placing warnings in just 8 talk pages. So, for most cases it's doable by hand. As for the remaining ones, it could be done with a bot.
As for where the uploader took an image, in this case here at least, he told where he got it from, and even provided the photographer's e-mail address. Other cases might not be this easy, but how will one know if he doesn't try?
I understand that I'm suggesting a policy change. Maybe there's a better place for me to suggest it? -- Alexander Gieg (talk) 19:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
COM:VP.--Ahonc (talk) 19:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
FYI: There is a tool which is able to inform projects about upcoming deletions: CommonsTicker. It is installed on a lot of Wikipedias, but for some reason only the local people there know about it was never set up at en.WP. But anyway, it had to be switched off some time ago because it just got too huge. Duesentrieb announced a redevelopment but I don't know about the progress. -- Cecil (talk) 11:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Amon Tobin 2002.jpg

I just noticed that this image Image:Amon_Tobin_2002.jpg that I uploaded was deleted approximately a month ago without discussion and contained very explicit permissions and I would like to know why. I went through extensive efforts to obtain rights to use that image. I propose it be reinstated. There was no basis to delete it, nor was I ever informed of it's impending deletion, which I believe is required under Wikipedia guidelines. If I must I will involve other administrators to moderate this decision. --MattWatt () 17:16, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I didn't find permission that provides its images under GFDL.--Ahonc (talk) 19:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I have a copy of that permission if you would like to see it. I just need to know where to send it (email). --MattWatt (talk) 17:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Send it to (talk) 18:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

User talk:BetacommandBot

Please read the message at the top and dont leave deletion notices there. Betacommand (talk) 22:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't see, who is uploader. I use script and it adds notice to uploaders page.--Ahonc (talk) 07:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I asked for it to be protected for the exact reason, please dont blame it on scripts. Please dont edit that page, contact the actual people who approved the move/transwiki or the real uploader. Betacommand (talk) 23:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok. Btw, I think that your bot will be not needed more, because next week image renaming will be implemented.--Ahonc (talk) 00:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


wikinews:template:hello. Happy editing. Bawolff (talk) 08:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

p.s. I replaced the deleted image. Thankyou for the notification. Bawolff (talk) 08:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


Не переименовывай, пожалуйста, категории городов без обсуждения на Commons:Categories for discussion т.к. это спорный вопрос. Ставь, пожалуйста, {{categoryredirect}} вместо удаления категорий, т.к. получаются битые ссылки --Butko (talk) 13:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Где битые ссылки? SieBot все ссылки исправляет.--Ahonc (talk) 17:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Например, поломались ссылки на Викисклад в статьях ru:Сумская улица (Харьков), ru:Пушкинская улица (Харьков), ru:Московский проспект (Харьков), ru:Малая Южная железная дорога, ru:Собор Успения Пресвятой Девы Марии (Харьков), en:Kharkiv Polytechnical Institute, en:Kharkiv University. Из любого языкового раздела может стоять ссылка на категорию --Butko (talk) 08:23, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


Не пиши, пожалуйста, что ты автор гербов (например, как здесь) - авторы у них другие --Butko (talk) 13:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

там же ясно написано: Ahonc (uploader), а кто автор, я точно не знаю.--Ahonc (talk) 17:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Uploader ясен из журнала загрузки. А поле Author предназначено для указания автора изображения --Butko (talk) 08:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


Привет. Зачем ты вытер мой пост? --Russianname (talk) 06:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Дискуссия уже закончилась тогда.--Ahonc (talk) 09:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you help me

Hi. I just uploaded this file Image:RupertMayer.jpg from, as I understood that the licence was ok for commons. The problem is that I don't seem to be able to get the licence info into commons... The file on en. wiki is here: [1]. Thank you. 3s (talk) 10:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I think maybe I got it right now, but if yoy could check it it would be fine. :) 3s (talk) 10:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
You may use CommonsHelper for transferring images from other wikis to Commons. Btw this image has wrong source (I didn't find it on the page which specified as source).--Ahonc (talk) 11:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


Файли Image:Lugansk.gif та Image:Luhansk-COA.PNG не однакові, так само й Image:Lugansk2.gif та Image:Flag LR.png --Riwnodennyk (talk) 16:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Файли неоднакові, там тип різний, але зображення однакові. Навіщо нам тут чотири герби Луганська? Правильний то лише один.--Ahonc (talk) 19:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Действительно, изображения Image:Lugansk.gif и Image:Luhansk-COA.PNG полностью отличаются. И как дубликат одно из них удалять не следует. В геральдике не может быть один "правильный" герб. Суть геральдики в том, что есть блазон, который разные художники могут по-разному изобразить. Со временем какие-то детали герба могут изменяться. Сравнение разных изображений и представляет интерес для геральдики. --Butko (talk) 06:50, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Одне з них 240 × 160 pixels, інше - 225 × 150 pixels. --Riwnodennyk (talk) 17:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Coat of Arms of Luhansk

Dear Ahonk,

please stop posting on my discussion page notifications for all the dozens of Ukrainian heraldries that I uploaded in Wikipedia based upon the Ukrainian Law text which you can always find in the description. I do not have time for Wikipedia at the moment, so if you think that this description page needs information on the source from which I downloaded the files you have to look for it yourself or delete all the files. As to your discussion with Butko I would prefer not the heraldry I uploaded, but the other one. However, this also does not seem to provide this source information, which you consider as substantially important.

Best Greetings --Skluesener (talk) 08:59, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok. It needs source (all images need it). P.S. I'm not Anonk, I'm Ahonc.--Ahonc (talk) 10:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Category:Flags of urban-type settlement in Ukraine

Thank you for correcting the spelling here [2]. Please do the same for Category:Flags of urban-type settlement in Ukraine and the subcategories --Ilyaroz (talk) 13:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

✓ Done.--Ahonc (talk) 13:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

OTRS question

Hello Ahonc,

does OTRS-ticket 2008072010013984 by Drivenbyboredom also cover Image:Lisa-damato.jpg and other images uploaded by this user? Regards --Rosenzweig (talk) 01:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

It is another ticket. I added it to image page.--Ahonc (talk) 08:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. --Rosenzweig (talk) 22:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Category Odessa

Ваше переименование некорректно, потому что вопрос о наименовании города слишком сложен и нельзя это решать в одиночку. К тому же все страницы и категории называются Odessa, а не Odesa. И не надо ссылаться на некое правило транслитерации, потому что на английский это название переводится с русского, а не с украинского, так как изначально Одесса - русский город. Это вопрос скорее политический, поэтому не надо его затрагивать без повода. Тем более большинство людей использует Odessa (в Гугле 56 млн. против 3,6 млн Odesa). Пожалуйста, просите Siebot отменить переименование. --Assedo (talk) 08:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Меня попросил переименовать участник User:Yakiv_Gluck, который одессит. Вы там в Одессе между собой договоритесь. Пускай какой-то другой администратор (нейтральный) переименует. Можете написать в обсуждение бота просьбу о переименовании.--Ahonc (talk) 08:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
А с чего Вы взяли, что это тов. - одессит??! Как Вы это определили? Мне кажется, что если Вы ошиблись, то Вы должны и исправить. И судя из вашей фразы Вы были в этом заинтересованы? И почему Вы так легко выполняете просьбы заведомо политизмрованного участника (см баннер на его странице о РФ), а исправить не спешите? Это плохо пахнет, господин Администратор. А договариваться здесь не о чем: английская статья наз. Odessa. какие ещё могут быть вопросы? Я одессит в четвёртом поколении и свидетельствую о том же. В Одессе НИКТО не говорит Одеса, может только заезжий гастролёр Глюк :-) Прошу НЕМЕДЛЕННО вернуть всё как было! --Assedo (talk) 15:14, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Переименовал.--Ahonc (talk) 15:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
В четвертом? Одессе 200 (50*4) лет, вы остались от плененных под Хаджибеем турков? :)
Во-первых, Одессе уже 214 лет, поэтому даже при ваших подсчётах турки никак не получаются :-). Во-вторых, Вы неправильно считаете, одно поколение это около 25 лет, приблизительно когда Ваши дети входят в детородный возраст и появляются внуки. Поэтому 4 поколения это не 200, а около 100 лет. Мои предки живут в Одессе с 1920-х годов (начиная с прадеда), вот и получается, если прадед - 1-е поколение, то я - четвёртое. --Assedo (talk) 06:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

«изначально Одесса - русский город» - не роССийский же :) Уж больно вас к эсцету тянет.. Типичный россизм - "я тут жил, а ты вообще с какого района, у нас все пацаны говорят семки, ты че не местный" --Yakiv Gluck (talk) 15:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Уважаемый Глюк, Вы помалкивали бы, потому что взяли и некорректно переименовали категорию, без всякого обсуждения, нарушив все внутренние связи в статьях, что легко тянет на вандализм. А ваша ирония тут совсем не к месту - это не россизм, как Вы изволили выразиться, а ФАКТ: Одесса произносится одесситами как Одесса с мягким "д". А вот Вы как раз пытаетесь внедрить украинизм. Это хорошо смотрится на западной Украине, но не в Новороссии.--Assedo (talk) 06:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Думал, что говорят [Адэса]. Так и запишем :) --Riwnodennyk (talk) 22:17, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


Did you delete this? I was doing what it says in the template: "If you believe this image is not a copyright violation, please explain why on the image description page." I was explaining that it was not a copyright violation, the image showed only the fire fox interface, nothing of Windows, so it was not a copyright violation. Greets Alvaro qc (talk) 03:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

It was my mistake. I restored them.--Ahonc (talk) 07:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:Samara 50.15002E 53.19987N.jpg

Could you please restore this image? It was taken as a screenshot from NASA World Wind of which all satellite images are in the Public domain. User:Art-top listed a lot of them for speedy deletion because of a lack of source (and it took me some time to revert all his nominations). However the program is the source, so no extra source is needed (and cannot be given anyway) as the licence says all already. Thanks already! --Hardscarf (talk) 10:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

✓ Done. I restored it.--Ahonc (talk) 11:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Загруженные фотографии

Добрый вечер. Евгений загрузил следующие мои фото (пока):

--Vizu (talk) 16:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


Хотел бы обратить твоё внимание на запрос Commons:Administrators' noticeboard#Is persecution of members legal? т.к. ты имеешь представление о том, что происходит в ru.wp и, вероятно, захочешь предупредить конфликтные ситуации, хотя бы просто словами на СО аккаунта Ярославлева тут. Carn (talk) 10:06, 19 November 2009 (UTC)