User talk:Begoon

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That miss world pic[edit]

As the nomination-function didn't allow leaving a personal message.. You did a great job on restoring it. I very much doubt I could have done nearly as good of a job. But with the original nominated, this had to be nominated as well. I nominated it as soon as I saw it in case you were still working on it, to prevent you from spending any more time on a photo that may not be kept.

Again I'm sorry. I know what it feels like when hours of work go down the drain. It sucks.

There is possibly a chance it can be uploaded to enwiki as fair use. I don't believe a free equivalent exists or could be created. - Alexis Jazz 13:27, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Heh. You're always so earnest about everything, and everything is always so important... It took about 15 minutes, all up. You don't know much about me at all if you think I care one way or another if Commons keeps or deletes a file I have done a little bit of work on. So don't be sorry - it's of no importance at all to me. -- Begoon 13:42, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
It would have taken me a lot longer. I'm sorry I cared. I don't know you, all I know is that I don't like it if I put time into something and it ends up not being used or deleted. I try to be nice, this is what I get. What lesson am I supposed to be learning from this? Fuck everything? Whatever.. - Alexis Jazz 19:02, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Sigh... You said you were sorry. I told you not to be, and suggested you seem to take everything too seriously, and that it wasn't important to me. I thought it would make you feel better. I try to be nice and this is what I get?...
Seriously, I'm not trying to give you any 'lessons', you seem perfectly able to decide how to go about your business for yourself. This conversation is silly. -- Begoon 02:51, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Okay, it's a misunderstanding in that case. :-) This can happen in places where smilies are typically not used. ;-( Your message came across completely different (for me) from how you intended it. I can't see the look on your face, so I just try to fill in the blanks. I interpreted the "..." after "important" as indifference. "You don't know much about me at all if you think I care" came across almost hostile. I don't pretend to know you. I thought the restoration job had possibly taken you at least half an hour and probably more. (guessed wrong) If you actually had invested quite some time in it, it's not out of this world if I would assume you (or anyone else this happens to) would be disappointed if it gets deleted. You meant something like "I don't really mind if Commons keeps or deletes a file, such is life" but "You don't know much about me at all if you think I care one way or another if Commons keeps or deletes a file" came across completely different.
After the DR you immediately hit "undo" on your user page, something I now see you do for every DR but did not know when I said sorry. When you hit "undo", I get a notification that my edit has been undone. That normally only happens when you've done something wrong. It all adds up to my incorrect interpretation. Sorry for the misunderstanding. (not sorry for the DR or the future deletion of your work!! ;-)) - Alexis Jazz 04:26, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Lol. Well, that's a very deep analysis of what I could have said, or might have meant, but if you're happy with it, so am I. Yes, I clear this talk page regularly, that's how I prefer to use it - active discussions only. I'll remove this discussion when it's done too - so please don't be overly alarmed when I do... I work on a good number of images, and sometimes the resident copyright experts decide one might need deleting, so I get a few DR notices which I remove once read. If I disagree with the deletion rationale I may comment, if I don't comment then it either means I agree or don't care enough to have the discussion and am happy for others to decide. Anyway, since I've now spent longer typing these replies than I did editing the image, I'll leave it there, if that's ok with you. -- Begoon 04:50, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
That's fine. I wanted to explain how the message came across for me so you could understand how/why this happened and why I responded the way I did. I created a proposal regarding undo notifications. If that turns out to be a good idea and gets support, maybe something good could come from this discussion. We'll see. - Alexis Jazz 05:21, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I saw that, because the pump is on my watchlist. Commons has no inherent control over how the notifications feature works, so as far as I can tell that kind of change would need to be discussed somewhere more central, as it would affect all wikis. That's not to say that some sort of consensus here would not be useful to take to such a discussion, just that there may be wider implications. As an aside, not specifically related to your 'don't notify for own talk-page reverts only' idea, I'm not sure I entirely agree with your premise that an "undo" means "I did something wrong", or should be thus interpreted - I get lots of "undo" notifications at when someone just rolls back to an earlier version prior to me correcting something that now doesn't matter because it got undone too. I do understand your point that that is how people interpret it though. From a philosophical (and cynical) standpoint, wikis depend on participation and 'churn'. Watchlists and notifications of undos are two things wikimedia got 'right' if it wants to increase that 'churn' by prodding people to respond. I'd even go as far as to say that watchlists were a key factor in wikipedia's early growth and success. There are several editors who I know have disabled revert notifications because they feel the 'red mist' they inspire makes them more likely to edit-war or respond rashly, so they prefer to just rely on the watchlist because they feel that results in more sedate, considered responses. I can see their point, too - but I leave them switched on... -- Begoon 05:39, 24 February 2018 (UTC)