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Do you think this picture might have been made by an eye-witness or do you think it is a 19th century work? Only an opinion not a definitive answer. Would they keep it in Berlin if it were not from 1486? Best Eddaido (talk) 09:38, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- I'm confused and I think I'm not the only one. The file title indicates it was the funeral cortege of Richard II who died in 1399 under dire circumstances as every Shakespeare student knows. Richard Duke of York, identified in the "helpful" footnote died in 1460. I think it may well be that Pontefract/Pomfret was ... involved .... in both cases and I've no idea if either of them was on the receiving end of a solemn ceremony as herein depicted. As to your question, it all looks a bit fanciful. If it's based on something fifteenth century then it looks mightily improved. But you asked only for an opinion and I never studied art history. I have no idea what they would keep in Berlin nor why. There's a huge artictic and museum etc community there. But I suspect that whereever they keep it, there must be someone there who knows a whole lot more about this image than, till now, got disclosed to wikipedia. Best Charles01 (talk) 13:07, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
- Which might have been a joke back then, but these days stuck in a car almost anywhere in London, this has a troubling ring of contemporary plausibility. Another reason to avoid London. Charles01 (talk) 18:18, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello Charles, I stumbled upon a photo you took in 1971 of an Opel in Garmisch Partenkirchen. Doing a search, I notice you had quite a few photographs of cars from GP in that time period. I understand the question I'm about to ask is a long shot, but I figured I would ask anyways. I'm the current owner of a 1968 Porsche 912, and the original owner purchased the car in summer of 1967 and lived in Garmisch Partenkirchen until 1973/74 timeframe. Now for the long shot question (I'm sure you know where this is going). I was wondering if you happen to have any photos of 912's in GP when you were there? (There is actually 911 or 912 in the background of the Opel photo) Quality/condition of the photo doesn't matter. I'm trying to build a history for my car and this is the closest I've come to possibly tracking down anything from that time period. If you don't, no worries, I understand there's an extremely small chance of you having one...and even less chance it would match my 912, but it's worth a shot (you never know until you ask, right?).
- Yikes. Tantalising question. But sadly, no.
- As far as I know (and I think I would) I don't have any Garmisch-P pix with Porsches in the background, and I would remember if I had taken a photograph of a Porsche in Garmisch-Partenkirchen back then. I didn't. It was only a week or so of family holiday. My father had just given me my first "grown-up" (well, 35mm) camera, and there was a very rainy week stomping round Garmisch-P (between doing holiday things selected by the parents) trying to find photograph-worthy cars with enough clear space in front of them to step back and take a picture before it started raining again. And back then every picture cost, in terms of the price of film, so taking a picture was an "event" - thereby more memorable - than simply taking out a pocket camera and clicking from five slightly different angles. If I start to doubt our ancestors' belief in endless progress I think of digital cameras and wonder if, just maybe, those Victorian pangloss types might have been on to something after all.
- I do have a picture of a Portsche Targa that I came across in Cologne a few years later, but that answers a question you did not ask.
- Long shots do sometimes work out. If you have a thousand one in a thousand coincidences each day, then the law of averages suggests that (on average) one will "come good" each day. But, alas, this wasn't one of them.
- I'm not sure what else to suggest. Do you have a copy of the original Fahrzeugbrief? Or even (if they had them that far back) Fahrzeugschein? Those (if you are familiar with English bureaucracy) are equivalent to the Log book or registration document. They are centrally administered from Flensburg since the early 1950s - maybe earlier. That would be a basic database for your car back when it was new. As you probably know, in Germany when you move to a new area you have to have your car re-registered. But if it was originally registered in Garmisch-P your car would have started out with a GAP- license plate. And in terms of the (yes - very ambitious) challenge of finding a picture of the car when it was new, you would be helped if you knew (1) the name and address of the first owner and (2) the car's original colour. I've no idea if it is possible to surface an old Fahrzeugbrief via Flensburg, but certainly there must be Porsche enthusiast clubs in England (and Germany) with members who would know the answers on that. Officially designated "old-timers" in Germany enjoy certain tax etc benefits (and, inevitably, another change of license plate - this time with an "H" for "Historical" as far as a remember at the end after the number bit). So there must be people at Flensburg who take an interest in old cars.
- Thanks for stirring my thought processes in such a pleasingly unfamiliar way. I see that my next task for the day involves paying the water bill. On with Wednesday it is.
- Thank you for the thoughtful response. I'm in complete agreement about every frame you shoot with a film camera is an "event". I started with a film SLR, where I learned to make every photo taken count. Eventually I fell to the digital age, but about a year or so I realized I was putting no thought into anything I took a photo of, shooting countless frames of the same thing...it left me with a ton of useless photographs taking up space on my phone and laptop. I missed the thoughtfulness I had previously put into framing photographs...the anticipation of getting film back. So I switched back to carrying around a film SLR with me (an old Minolta from the '80s w/ a 50mm lens). It was compact enough (compared to my other film SLR at least) that I could take it everywhere with me without being a pain. It's been quite enjoyable, rekindling an interest in photography that had kind of died out when I was just taking photos with my phone.
- For the 912, I actually contacted the Kraftfahrt-Bundesamt a while back to inquire if they held any records on vehicles that long ago, and unfortunately once a car has been exported out of Germany, all records are destroyed after eight years (and my car was imported into the US decades ago). I have the original owners name, the two addresses he lived at in Garmisch P back then, serial numbers, and the original color of the car (Sand Beige), but haven't gotten much further than that. I've tried to track down the original owner, even opening an account on Ancestry. Since GP is more of a vacation destination, I'm curious if this person also lived elsewhere in Germany while maintaining a home in GP. Based on phone book searches, there were only a few other people with the same name living elsewhere in Germany at the time, a pastor in Hamburg, a mechanic in Berlin, and a doctor in Hamburg. The doctor was practicing in Hamburg from the 1940s up until the early 1970s. Where suddenly both that person, and the person in GP, suddenly disappear. Coincidence? Perhaps. Did he pass away? Did he move to the US (and bring the 912 with him)? I don't have a clue. But my search will continue, and that's one of the fun parts of owning this car. I have about 20 years of history to fill in and I'm working it from both directions.
- Thanks again for the response. I've enjoyed coming across your photos of cars over many years around Europe, so I appreciate you uploading them and sharing them with the world. Have a great weekend!
- Your kind final para is much appreciated. One never knows with wikipedia who, if anyone, is "out there", apart from through the occasional talk page contact such as this one.
- A lot of German doctors (even more dentists) seem to have been very well paid back in the 70s, so it's quite possible to think that a Hamburg doctor might have a holiday home in Garmisch-Partenkirchen. The 912 has a rarity value. I wonder if he avoided the 911 because he thought he was to old for a 911. Or maybe he got the 912 for his "significant other". Such speculation is irresistable regardless of whether or not it leads anywhere. It is indeed the case that G-P was always a bit like Florida or Eastbourne (or, a generation or three earlier, Bath and Cheltenham) in that a lot of the people living there retired from other parts of the country. But since they opened the Autobahn it's eminently commutable from Garmisch to Munich. There are plenty of people there who are not retired, even if a lot of them drive taxis or own hotels/restaurants.
- If your man's name is sooo unusual, then that opens up certain possibilities. Was he a doctor in Hamburg before 1945? Or could he have one of the millions forced out from the east by Stalin's ethnic cleansing? In which case, a lot of those guys later moved on and did indeed end up in the US. In any case, if the name is that unusual, it might be worth simply drafting a simple letter - slightly in the way you sent me your "long shot" message above - and mailing 50 or so randomly selected people in the US located using the "white pages" - online telephone directories. The price of 50 postage stamps and envelopes may be higher than it was, and you'd need to think quite carefully what you want to ask. And maybe how to trigger interest - picture of the car in the envelope (license plate duly blanked...)? I remember I sent out a standard letter to about 50 people in South Carolina ten years or so ago, trying to find out more about a great grandmother's family. I didn't get quite the answers I was hoping for, but I did get a couple of interesting replies. I'm not a great fan of Ancestry. Every time I used to ask them something they said I had the wrong kind of subscription and why didn't I get another one covering a different continent? In the end I got fed up and cancelled the subscription I had to the database that I had signed up to before they carved up the planet into sub-databases.
18 reg plate spotted
After just 2 days since released I already spot my first 18 reg. A Renault Kadjar!
- Well done. I guess that means it must be March. I still remember the first "___ ___ C" reg I saw back in 1965, but then I think I was pre-camera. It was an icy day a bit like today (tho it must have been January) and the car was a light metalic blue Ford Cortina. Ten years - might have been ?twelve - later that beautiful light metallic blue paint they put on upmarket versions of the British Fords back then tended to flake alarmingly.
- Somehow these days the new months and even the license plate changes tend to catch me unawares.
- Those dark colours - when polished - really go overboard on the distracting reflections. Nothing personal: here's one I prepared earlier today (when I was meant to be shopping ....) It'll be less of an issue after another month or so when the authorities put the sun higher up in the sky, but no doubt there'll be other challenges in the lighting department. Ho hum.
- Oooh nice photo of the Panamera Sport Turismo, all the others I saw where all in shows. Kinda like what you did throughout the 70s to early 90s I always keep on the look out for the latest models and facelift everywhere I go, perhaps not globally as you have but all within all the towns I'm local to. With me being the new generation of documenting the daily drivers around us I'm likely going to be doing this in the coming years.
- Yes, they're not making a great song and dance about the Daimler-Nissan/Renault collaboration. The branding is so different - especially in the UK where Mercedes-Benz models are still able to command a fantastic price premium over "common" cars. (I write as a regular Skoda driver ..., though I guess I must have been let loose on the odd Mercedes over the years.) But that Daimler-Nissan liaison still gives rise to interesting children.
- I don't really think of my car photographing as a "global" thing. When I travelled most I was gainfully employed and most of the time too busy doing whatever it was I thought I was being paid for, to spend much time wandering round car parks. But - at least within several western European countries - yes indeed. Opportunities turn up. But "globally" ... hmm - and surely not!
- You have about 2 photos which you photographed in South Australia which was Ford Falcon EA (both sedan and station wagon) as well a Ford Taurus, Lincolnshire, Illinois around 1990-1991. So I say you went pretty global. What was your job at the time, was it something related to travelling? --Vauxford (talk) 18:54, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- I worked in the travel trade till 1985. After that - at a rather more advanced age than was conventional for such a step - I trained as an accountant. So ... never too late. You don't have to work in travel to get shunted round the planet. And yes, there were two trips to South Australia in 1990/91 and more than I can count (albeit much shorter ones) to the American mid-west during the early 1990s. I don't remember a Ford Taurus but there was a Ford Thunderbird I photographed before breakfast in the hotel car park in Illinois. It was pretty dark and cameras weren't so forgiving then. Thunderbirds were somehow "iconic" in the 1990s - though of course people always insisted the "modern ones" were nothing like as exciting as the originals. Well, yes.... Of course the interesting thing today would be if I'd photographed a random selection of 50 "ordinary cars" on one of the weekends I spent wandering round Illiois/Wisconsin shopping malls trying to shake off the jet lag. "Ordinary cars" from the 1990s I now find quite interesting! But I think I had a bit more time away from the office - and the chance to get to some more interesting backgrounds courtesy of "rellies," who kindly took me under their wing at some of the weekends - in South Australia. Maybe its just that when they sent me on those long trips it was usually October or November when the sun quite often shines in Australia, whereas in Illinois it rains at lot. Or it did when I was there. Except when it snowed. Charles01 (talk) 19:28, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- I was surprised that the Honda was one I didn't downloaded, I thought I downloaded all your scans. Travel trade make sense then but that interesting to know. Still a college student and haven't had a full-time job so things seem unclear but at least I have plenty of spare times at this moment, big chance I won't be stopping contributing images for Wikipedia in the coming years (7+ years maybe) I only started around 2015-2016 but even that around 2-3 years now. Within 10 months I already exceeded well over a 1000 images uploaded and not stopping but yeah, great talk I probably come chat on the talk page again soon, it interesting to read. --Vauxford (talk) 20:02, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
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- I agree, of course. Thank you for your endorsement. I was trying to find out who nominated it but couldn't find my way round the system enough to do so. Can you work it out? I guess I should thank him or her. Even if - at least where car pix are concerned - the quality of the pictures that get nominated seems to be alarmingly variable! Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:56, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
- Try this: go to this page and search on a username. My brother was killed by one just like this except it was (battleship) grey. It slipped sideways on a gleaming boxing day hillside pasture and rolled throwing him out and then rolled onto him. I was startled when it was repaired and put back into use. Of course they've been all Toyota for almost 40 years now. Best Eddaido (talk) 09:13, 31 January 2019 (UTC)
Charles01 Hi Charles, it was me who nominated it since I liked it so much and I thought you deserve to have at least one of your photos promoted. Especially from your decade long contribution of both your present and historical photos. What even sounder is that the person who support the promotion is one of Common's most renowned photographer. --Vauxford (talk) 18:23, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you. I've spotted, by now, that you'd nominated it but then I got lost trying to figure out where and how you'd done it. Anyhow, thank you. Historical. Hmmmmm. Regards Charles01 (talk) 19:31, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Good question.
- According to this it's the car used by Prins Bernhard during the London exile of the Dutch royal family after the Germans had taken over back home. And it looks like he took it back home after the Germans were persuaded to leave. (The mean people liked to point out that he was a German. Except that if you're married to the Dutch queen maybe there is a sense in which you've chosen to become Dutch?).
- So it seems likely that it was originally a UK market car (except did people talk about the UK back then? the phrase rather faded from the lexicon for some decades after the Irish decided it wasn't for them.). Bodywork a one-off?
- Here's another nice link. It tells you the build year and he engine capacity. It appears to confirm that the steering wheel was on the right. (Except back then lots of cars sold in mainland Europe - notably by Lancia - still insisted on putting the steering wheel on the right even if folks also drove one the right.) The caption indicates that the man in uniform in indeed the Prince and the little girls are his daughters. So the larger one getting in at the back may well be Princess Beatrix aka the former Queen Beatrix and the present king's mother.
- "1937 Bentley 4-1/4 Litre Vanden Plas drophead Coupé (M-1283563), Prins Bernhard en prinsesjes bij aankomst op Vliegveld Teuge, augustus 1945"
- If you google simply the license plate and the word Bentley you get several more hits, but they mostly say more or less the same things in terms of identifying the car. Here's another which seems to indicate that he took it back to the Netherlands not in 1946 but in 1945 or even earlier. Refreshing my non-knowledge, it indicates in Wikipedia that he returned in 1944 as the Germans were being driven out. Maybe he took the Bentley with him. It would be rather good as a staff car. They always said in the 1930s, when they were winning at Le Mans, that the Bentley chassis was effectively a truck chassis in terms of robustness, size and weight.
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- Brilliant. Thank you. Not sure why I seem to have a bit of a blindspot when it comes to Ginetta identification, but I think I do! Did you link that easy identification chart to the Ginetta article? Should one, do you think? Be well Charles01 (talk) 15:00, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
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