User talk:Chris die Seele

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Welcome to Wikimedia Commons, Chris die Seele!

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File:HUN Somogy megye COA.svg[edit]

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Hello, Chris die Seele!
Tip: Add categories to your images

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

Here's how:

1) If you're using the UploadWizard, you can add categories to each file when you describe it. Just click "more options" for the file and add the categories which make sense:

Uploadwizard-categories.png

2) You can also pick the file from your list of uploads, edit the file description page, and manually add the category code at the end of the page.

[[Category:Category name]]

For example, if you are uploading a diagram showing the orbits of comets, you add the following code:

[[Category:Astronomical diagrams]]
[[Category:Comets]]

This will make the diagram show up in the categories "Astronomical diagrams" and "Comets".

When picking categories, try to choose a specific category ("Astronomical diagrams") over a generic one ("Illustrations").

Thanks again for your uploads! More information about categorization can be found in Commons:Categories, and don't hesitate to leave a note on the help desk.

File:Coat of arms of Dnipro.svg[edit]

Hallo Chris die Seele, ich nehme einfach mal an, dass du Deutsch eher kannst als Englisch (eine der slawischen Sprachen bin ich leider nicht mächtig). Vorweg noch ein sehr großes Lob an deine grafische Arbeit ihr, wirklich erstaunlich (ob sie tatsächlich von dir ist möchte ich eigtl. gar nicht wissen ^^). Zum betr. Wappen wollte ich nur sagen, dass hier eine dunkle Kontur doch fehlt (von mir aus aus auch sehr dunkles Blau wie im "Original", man erkennt in kleinerer Vorschau einen deutlichen Verwaschnungseffekt). Das Blau zu vereinheitlichen war IMO eine richtige Entscheidung (die helle Kontur der Mauerkrone und des Schildes sollte noch ersetzt werden.) Beste Grüße und ein frohes Neues 2017. PS: Falls du mal etwas schneller ersetzen möchtest habe ich hier ein Script welches auch schon die Dateinamen vorausfüllt bei gesetztem VVA. User: Perhelion 15:53, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

File descriptions (UploadWizard)[edit]

Hey Chris die Seele, your SVG drawings are near excellent but on the other hand your file descriptions are pure crap.[1] :-P I notify you because it is not a single case, you create this crap on assembly line. I recommend for you don't use the UploadWizard, instead use the classic text based uploadform (so you can use your pre-filled text template). The UploadWizard is only practicable for casual and singel uploader. Thanks again, regards PS: If you need I can give you some scripts (also upload modifications). First, I recommend you to use this importScript('User:Perhelion/JustReplace+.js'); (insert in your /common.js, for example) -- User: Perhelion 14:23, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Hallo Chris, anscheinend ist dein English nicht so gut. Wie du vielleicht mitbekommen hast ist das GlobalReplace-Tool nicht so gründlich wie das von mir vorgeschlagene hauseigene Commons-JS-Tool (das nur am Rande). MfG -- User: Perhelion 22:17, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Good day. I do not know about programming. What is this script? What should I do with him? Why do not I have to use Replace?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris die Seele (talk • contribs) 07:17, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Hey good to hear you, this script does near the same but more and is much easier to handle (it is loaded here and give you prefilled suggestions). On the other and your tool is not that really supported (anymore) and have some bugs.[2] (ok this script maybe too but not that strange, please report any). It also doess not replace all file usage (as you can easy check after replacing).
You don't need programming really, simply copy&paste the text (if something is wrong the CodeEditor should warn you). Try it out, cheers -- User: Perhelion 08:45, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
PS: It's not that bad to use the other tool. Maybe some of this is helpful for you: User:Perhelion/Code -- User: Perhelion 11:05, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Welcome. I occasionally draw a coat of arms. However, about computer science and scripts I do not have the slightest idea. Scripts, stamps, numbers and letters tell me nothing. I would be grateful to you, if you had such a script prepared and wrote where I have to paste it. Thank you and wish you a happy Easter.--Chris die Seele (talk) 06:58, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Lizenzen und Beschreibungen bei Wappen[edit]

Hallo Chris, am Beispiel von File:DEU Vestenbergsgreuth COA.svg möchte ich dir ein paar Tips und Hinweise geben. Bitte kombiniere nicht die beiden Vorlagen {{Information}} und {{COAInformation}}. Die sind beide jeweils als eigenständiges Modul gedacht, was alle benötigten Angaben enthält, und lassen sich nicht einwandfrein ineinander verschachteln. AM besten immst du in Zukunft nur noch {{COAInformation}}. Zweitens eine Anmerkung zu den Lizenzen. Sobald du selbst SVG-Konvertierungen vornimmst, oder eigene SVG-Elemente zeichnest, gilt {{PD-Coa-Germany}} nicht mehr, weil du deine eigene Arbeit in Form von SVG-Code in das "Endprodukt" eingebracht hast. D. h., du kannst es auch nicht mit einer Creative-Commons-Lizenz kombinieren, denn ein Werk kann entweder gemeinfrei sein, oder eine CC-Lizenz haben, die einen urheberrechtlichen Schutz voraussetzt. In diesem Fall ist also nur die Creative-Commons-Lizenz möglich. PD-Coa-Germany kommt dann zur Anwendung, wenn man eine Wappengrafik unverändert im Aussehen und Dateiformat von irgendwo her übernimmt. De728631 (talk) 17:18, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Hey De728631,
  1. Siehe eins drüber. Könntest du das ja auch an die Entwickler des UploadWizard weitergeben. :-P
  2. @Lizenz: liegst du leider völlig falsch. Logischer Weise hat auch ein Derivat die PD-Coa-Germany und kann meines Wissens auch mit CC kombiniert werden. Wo hast du denn deine Erkenntnis her?
  3. Vermutlich versteht Chris nur sehr bedingt Deutsch!? -- User: Perhelion 20:30, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi @Perhelion:
  1. Yes, I noticed that afterwards. I can't tell what exactly went wrong while using the Upload-Wizard, but it looks like Chris dumped the complete template COAInformation including its parameters into the description text box. I guess the Upload-Wizard was specifically made for people who don't know about Wiki syntax and would use plain text by default, so I can understand why there is no specific disclaimer like "do not paste entire Commons information templates here".
  2. The original is of course PD-Germany-Coa, but in heraldry it is common practice that the individual depiction of a coat of arms is copyrighted while only the blazon is PD. So even of the image is PD as in this case, when you add your own creative work to a free original image instead of just copying it faithfully, the result will not be PD any more. That said, the SVG code behind the graphical output may be an indirect original work as long as it is not created automatically by Inkscape or similar software. Unfortunately there is no such hint in the German version of Help:SVG but the Englich original has a paragraph on "copyright". And as mentioned above, PD and CC won't work as one combined licence because to grant a CC licence you need to hold the copyright for the work in the first place. So either the whole thing is out of copyright or it is copyrighted with a CC licence.
  3. The user name suggests otherwise but you may be up to something there. Face-smile.svg De728631 (talk) 14:31, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  1. So I strongly advise Chris do not use the UploadWizard anymore for his CoA.
  2. @De728631: In Germany the depiction is PD also if it is a derivative. So you can not get copyright of a "ministerial" depiction (s de:Amtliches Wappen Urteil 1933) de:Namensrecht/de:Nutzungsrecht. If the "own creativity" is so much that is is "modicum of originality"/"threshold of originality" then it is not original/ministerial anymore. As we can see here on Commons that is common on German SVG CoA. That is also very logical because CoA have usually no author Attribution. Who will say on every CoA it is original or it is derivative? Who will say it is own creativity of whom? In Germany you need much more for this, for example also sports logos like CoAs (without original) are PD because of "lack of originality".
-- User: Perhelion 14:37, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
@Perhelion: You're right, if the original work in Germany is not protected, then there is no protection for a derivative either. But when it comes to SVG we have to distinguish between the artwork itself and the computer code because SVG is a script programming language that can achieve the same result with different ways of original programming. The creative part is turning the depiction on the source page into SVG code. Hence the SVG code is copyrightable and while the artwork itself is still PD, the image file as such becomes copyrightable. And as to coats of arms, if the depiction contains charges or anything else that is beyond a simple geometrical partition of the shield, then the depiction is automatically copyrighted too if it is recent enough. The exception in Germany is that municipal, state and federal arms can be seen as "official works (amtliche Werke)" which are exempt from copyright. That is why {{PD-Germany-Coa}} exists in the first place. Family arms for example would not be PD by default.
But as to not spam Chris's page with these details that are beginning to become off-topic I suggest that we continue this part of the discussion elsewhere. De728631 (talk) 14:59, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
I agree, it seems many space for clarification here (there are indeed not many sources for my claim too). -- User: Perhelion 17:06, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

COAinformation[edit]

Hey Chris die Seele,

can you please say which editor and/or how your create your graphics? Because I would add a shortcut for your name (imgen, and create a user Cat for you), because you use a shortcut from another user, which give false credit to this user as creator.[3] Maybe also for personal interest, do you use a special technique?
And again please do not use the UploadWizard for COAinformation, as we can see in addition to the template garbage, there are also the categories omitted from the original files. Greetings -- User: Perhelion 14:47, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Welcome. I use Inkscape. All the coats were made by myself. Regards. --Chris die Seele (talk) 08:07, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello Chris die Seele, here is your Cat Category:Valid SVG created with Inkscape:CoA by Chris die Seele I only sorted yet only some of your files. What strikes me is your very different usage of tinctures. For German CoA I suggest de:WP:WikiProjekt Wappen/Neuzeichnen#Tinkturen (Farben) (my personal favor is "Websichere Farben" or FIAV). Regards -- User: Perhelion 20:21, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Hey Chris, you drawings are pretty nice, but in contrast your Wiki syntax is not. I hope you check it next time before you use it (faulty) a dozen times again. :P (PS: I do install above the mentioned script for you) Greetings -- User: Perhelion 13:14, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

File:DEU Landkreis Straubing-Bogen COA.svg[edit]

Hallo Chris, das ist wohl eines deiner Anfängerarbeiten, obwohl es noch recht gut aussieht, kannst du bitte dieses Wappen verbessern?

  • Der Strahlenkranz sollte wohl hinter der Madonna enden.
  • Die Kornähren sehen absolut grob aus (kannst du auch klonen).
  • Der Schild sollte diesem hier entsprechen: File:Wappen Traitsching.svg
  • Die bayerischen Rauten sollten eine sichtbare (schmale) Kontur haben.

Leider ist es so, dass Abbildungen von Gemeinden selbst (abgeändert) nicht immer den (ursprünglichen) heraldisch Gepflogenheiten entsprechen, daher hat (entgegen dem normalen Vorgehen) die ältere Abbildung für uns eine höhere Gewichtung: File:Wappen Landkreis Straubing-Bogen.png Danke für deine Ausführungen. PS: Um das GlobalReplace-Tool zu benutzen, sollte die Ersetzung unumstritten sein. Daher ist hier mehr Mühe und Achtsamkeit geboten. MfG -- User: Perhelion 13:24, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Barnstar award[edit]

Heraldic Barnstar.svg
WikiProjekt Heraldik logo.svg The Heraldic Barnstar
I hereby award you the Heraldic Barnstar for the excellence of your graphics. Although you seem a heraldically beginner, the expectation of more graphics is even higher. -- User: Perhelion 22:13, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

I noticed your edits to my Pearls, and I want to thank you for your excellent work on German coats of arms. Hope you stick around - God only knows how many CoAs that need high quality replacements. –Vami IV (talk) 07:33, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

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File descriptions (2)[edit]

Hello Chris, I saw your nice ongoing diligent work on SVG. So I would ask you for a resume of how the tools work I installed for you. I see you don't use the VVA+ link (on the top if on view, or as buttons in the Wikieditor)? Indeed your could change the summary (so it would be not recognizable for me). I would suggest a few more, which could maybe helpful for you too:

  1. MediaWiki:Gadget-InformationToCOA.js - converts or add COAInformation (on the left side)
  2. Maybe https://tools.wmflabs.org/derivative/deri1.php
You can always ask and suggest. Best regards -- User: Perhelion 07:51, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

DEU Langenburg COA.svg[edit]

Hey Chris, warum hast du die Ersetzung wieder revertiert? Wegen der weißen Contour? Die ist nebensächlich. -- User: Perhelion 17:09, 1 October 2018 (UTC)