User talk:Coat of Many Colours

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Personal attack[edit]

Stefan4 may be wrong on some things, but he is right that you are engaging in personal attacks. This, for example. As an uninvolved user, I do retain the right to say to stop doing that, please. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:20, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

I can't see that's a personal attack. Just a matter of fact statement about the effect he has on contributors. He came close to driving me off Wikipedia and the point about the ANI is that he driving people off Commons. However I'll go back and edit it in a less robust way. Thank you. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 05:54, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
For the record here's my response to his claim of a personal attack at the ANI.
"I was expressing matter of factly a sense of harassment and stalking. That's not a personal attack and I did notify you on your Talk page at the time here at Wikipedia:User_talk:Stefan2#File:Eva_Hesse_-_Repetition_Nineteen_III_.280.1_MP_reduction.29.jpg. on 20 February (diff) A normal response would have been to express regret and to seek some resolution. You did not, neither did you defend yourself against my charge of harassment either directly or by pleading "personal attack" as you do now. It was quite plain that I was really upset over the Chilkat blanket, but you did nothing to smooth things over. Rather you justified your deletion tags on Eva Hesse. The overall effect you conveyed was of self-satisfaction."
Understand this Magog. I will be retiring from editing Wikipedia and that is entirely because of the attentions of Stefan. I have a personal commitment to fulfil and then beginning April or so I shall stop. It is very unlikely I will return to Wikipedia. I am totally creeped out by all this and editing Wikipedia absolutely no longer one of the 100 things I want to do before I die. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 06:41, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Well as it turns out I shan't because she seems to have gone away. I don't care where she turns up again, but she should totally stay away from me. I hope that's as completely clear as I can decently make it.Coat of Many Colours (talk) 00:04, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
You have the right to say away from Stefan so far as you are able. If, in the normal process of maintenance, he works in the same area that you are working on, it is not fair or reasonable to ask that he refrain from editing there. It is reasonable to ask that he avoid doing so in a way that constitutes harassment. Cf. w:WP:HOUND. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 16:37, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Magog, but I'm packing up here anyway, my issues with Stefan only a small part of my disaffection (perhaps too strong a word, just a gradual realisation that by nature I'm not really suited to Wikipedia or Commons). Coat of Many Colours (talk) 16:51, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Villa L'Ermitage, Villefranche-sur-Mer[edit]

This, if I follow it correctly, says the villa was in "Avenue Cauvin". I can find a road with this name in Nice but it couldn't possibly be described as being in Villefranche-sur-Mer. However, there is an Avenue Victor Cauvin in V-s-M and I see this place, which is in this road, giving its address as "6, avenue Cauvin". The road is very steep and winding with magnificent views as described in the book. If that is the right road its coordinates are about 43.704N,7.307E (43° 42' 14", 7° 18' 25") as you can see here. BTW, it's me again! Thincat (talk) 20:55, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks. I'll research that directly. I've been in touch with Salomon's principal biographer by the way about the American 1963 publication (which is certainly there in Library of Congress catalogue but strangely omittted from all the references I have). She couldn't help, but she suggested I contact the obvious institution and indeed I've emailed them - yet to get a response :). I shall read Salomon's biography and edit her article accordingly. It's a fair effort but there many omissions that need filling. Thank you again for all your help. Really appreciated. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 21:03, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Excellent source from Griselda Pollock you located there. I'll have a good read. I admire her very much but when she brings out her big guns, which are very big indeed, I lose her completely. But this of yours looks very readable. Just turning to Google Earth, big favourite of mine. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 21:13, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Hmhh. Mieke Bal I see ... another one-click at Amazon :). Coat of Many Colours (talk) 21:37, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Well that's got to be it, because of Rue L'Ermitage. There is an aerial phto in one my books I can use, and there's also a description of a vist by her 1981 editors that might help. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 21:17, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Fascinating also on JHM 4291, which was next on my list. I'll certainly add that to the write-up when I do it. Thanks so much. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 21:31, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

There's an aerial view of the Villa on p.23 of the 1998 Royal Academy exhibition book (Waanders, Zwolle) and you can clearly make out Av. Gènéral du Clerk and thus more or less pinpoint Salomon's cottage in the grounds (as far as I can make it out from the photo). It coincides pretty well with the Google coordinates for 'Rue de L'Hermitage' at (43.703977°, 7.305241°) and indeed a stone throw your coords (43.704,7.307), so I'll use one or the other tomorrow when one is a little more clear-headed than one is usually wont at this late watering-hour :). So pleased, thanks again. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 22:01, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

These are the exact coordinates (43.691556°, 7.330430°) of the Hotel 'Belle Aurore' in St Jean Cap Ferrat where Salomon finished Leben? oder Theater?. The hotel still stands, looking much as it does in the photo at p. 30 of the RA book - I expect the swimming pool is new. I'll add these in in time. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 16:24, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

@Thincat: Thanks so much for your help with the coordinates. I've transferred them to Salomon's Creator page here and I'll add them to article space when I edit there. I've heard from the Joods Historisch Museum now: they agree there seems to have been a US publication, but have no record of it. Indeed that's correct, it's Carl's discovery entirely. I knew about the 1963 book of course, but was entirely unaware of the US publication. If I had known that I would have uploaded to Commons from the start. I shall wait for the copy I've ordered to arrive. After that I'll follow Fae and contact the JHM to let them know I plan to transfer those first 80 gouaches to Commons and get their reaction before embarking on the major project. Thanks again. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 18:49, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

To continue with this. The copyright on the 1963 publication was not renewed in the US and Salomon's work illustrated there thus went into the public domain in the US in 1992. This was relied on in at least one publication before 1996. Whether the 1963 publication qualifies for URAA restoration depends on whether or not the US publication was simultaneous (within 30 days) with the overseas publication. I suspect that will be rather hard to discover. I'm in contact with the publishers now to try and find out. As noted above, I've retired here. I will do some remaining housework on the Salomon transfers so far, getting the remaining Fair Use files transferred, either today or within the next few days. A colleague of mine, rather more expert on Salomon than me, will be taking over the Salomon transfers if we manage to get confirmation of the PD status of that first tranche of 80 gouaches (the 1963 publication) and a bulk transfer is viable.
Thanks to everyone at Commons who helped out here. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 09:21, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
I've now got the 1963 American edition. It's a Helen and Kurt Wolff book and it makes no mention on the copyright page of publication elsewhere. The fly jacket mentions "Published internationally, this book reproduces ...". I've also heard from the publishers. They can't provide a precise date for publication. I'm inclined to think the American publication did indeed pre-date the other publications and the work isn't eligible for URAA restoration. I've putting a note about copyright on Salomon's category page. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 09:25, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

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Underlying lk (talk) 00:11, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Underlying. It had a Commons transfer tag on Wikipedia from User:Sfan00 IMG so I assumed it was good. I'm actually about to retire my account here (nothing to do with this issue), this file transfer being a last request I was making good on. I'll see what I can do, but I suspect the original claim that the file was on the US Justice Department website is spurious. 08:13, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
No, it does look spurious. Pity, it would be nice to have an image of Nafissatou Diallo on Commons. Just delete it unless Sfan can come up with something. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 08:31, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Need help?[edit]


I don't believe that retiring or creating a new account is the best way of improving your situation. There are people here willing to help and speak to you. Have you tried Commons' IRC channels? There are friendly people there, and I'm sure that you'll find people who'll have your back and aid you in your time of need. You can also Email me.

Michaeldsuarez (talk) 04:55, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Michael. Thanks for this. I've actually changed this to "semi-retired". I might be more active again at Commons at least. But I'm just totally fed up with it all. At Wikipedia the rigorous NFC rules means that I simply can't add the kind of content I would like, while at Commons we have this URAA situation, which I agree is practically intractable. And to cap it all when I edit somewhere (I mean at an ongoing trial in the public eye) where the boundaries should be clear I get stiffed by an experienced user obviously chasing a personal agenda. So I'm pretty fed up, and for me the answer doesn't lie in debate. I just want to add content without all this quite fantastic hassle.
So I've managed something with Charlotte Salomon and see how that goes. For a while I'll withdraw.
Thanks again. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 12:29, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. Relaxing and not becoming too invested in debates is a good idea. Also, if you're operating under a new account, you should abandon that account and return to your Coat account. Being caught sockpuppeteering would only cause more problems. If my suspicions are correct, then that account isn't hard to find. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 13:17, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
They never are ;}. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 00:09, 20 April 2014 (UTC)