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This is an archive of ols stuff from my talk page


Files with special characters to upload : Chineses[edit]


Works fine for me: Image:Test-永.png. May be a problem with your browser and/or file system. -- Duesentrieb 17:01, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

putting non ascii characters in filenames is probablly a bad idea anyway. There are some issues with using images with such names in the latin1 wikipedias and also the latin alphabet is what most people on the internet are familiar with. Plugwash 21:33, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I was told by the developers that we should use such filenames and that we should report all problems with them imidiately. The en:wp will be converted to UTF-8 wehn we switch to 1.5 - until then filenames wIth special characters have to be written with HTML-escapes there. -- Duesentrieb 22:17, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Ok Yug 07:58, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Can you say more about what you were using for your test (Linux ? Mozilla firefox ? ...). I'm not programmer but I try to understand why my uploads My PC => Common continue to don't work fine with name like 火.png, and even test-火.png . Yug 07:58, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
I use Firefox, Explorer and Windows : this doesn't work fine. You use Firefox, Konqueror, and Linux : this work fine. So I think it's Explorer~windows. I will test and look a little everywhere to know more. Bye Yug 17:56, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
this is a dump of the raw data going between my computer and the commons server as I uploaded Image:永.jpeg (which had the name of 永.jpeg on my filesystem), hope it helps. —Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 18:16, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

I notice something...
I was writting chinese in a .txt file, on my computer. When I want save it, a "problem-windows" open and say (translate from french):
This file contain some characters on UNICODE format (my some chinese words) which will be lose if you save as a txt file on ANSI format.
To keep Unicode's information, clic on sur cancel, then select one of the Unicode's options in the Encodage liste.
If I don't care, my 中心 -> Close the txt file and open again -> ??
So I everytime clic on "cancel" and then select "UFT-8" to keep the chinese form " 中國 -> 中國 "
SO !... I think that's means than my Windows or Explorer is not on UFT-8. right ? wronght ? I'm trying to find where -in windows- I can see that~
PS : I work on windows because my linux haven't chinese, so don't laugh of me and windows... :) Yug 14:08, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
What Windows do you have (ME/2000/XP/...)? => Windows XP profesionnal gold v5.5
What Filesystem are you using (NTFS/FAT32/...)? => FAT32
what "Explorer" ? => Windows Explorer no in link with the trouble.
What internet explorer ? Mozilla Firefox 1.0.3

Also, keep in mind that the encoding of the content of a file has nothing to do with the encoding of the name of the file. The problem with the .txt files was probably related to the content.

Try saving a file on your system with characters not present in any chines encoding, like for instance hebrew characters. If that works, the file system is using unicode and should be OK, I think. -- Duesentrieb 14:22, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

HEBREW : inside a .txt file I have the same problem, so I save under UTF-8/
I had renamed a file " test-ק-red-trans.png ". On my computer that's ok.
When I upload to commons I have the same trouble than in chinese (see the way 3 ).
Exactly the 3 same things with " العربية " (arabian).
Exactly the 3 same things with " ภาษาไทย " (Thai).

=> (MSN) if you see a solution.... Yug 16:40, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Stop ~~

that's my Mozilla Firefox 1.0.3 (which doesn' t work well with ... other soft ? FAT32 ? one mistake of me ?).
Using Internet Explorer, I just upload the file Image:test-ภาษาไทย-red-trans.png without any difficulty. Yug 16:52, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

That's maybe a(my) stupid mistake of configuration ~~ >0< Yug 16:52, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Some user of Firefox meet a trouble with special character, like chinese, hebrew, arabian, Thai and probably more. The case is on , when user try to Upload a file to . One wikipedian have asked a few people to try this out, and here are the results:
User:Yug/Bug Firefox, FAT and special characters
So, this seems to be a bug in Firefox: it handles files from a FAT partition incorrectly under windows. Please report this bug to the firefox bugtracker. -- Duesentrieb 18:39, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
Thankx you really much : now I know what ! I'm reporting the bug ~~ Yug talk 19:09, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

What we have to remember[edit]

Like this you can clean up your talk-page and just keep this 3 lines.


Image:Wikipedysta-Julo.jpg - this picture has been originally shot by my father (he is dead more than twenty years), but the print-copy from the very old black&white negative film (and scanning afterwards) is made by me myself. That is why I put myself as the author.

But, from the other side, it is not very important for me, what kind of license will be used here. If you advice me something else - may be it will be better solution. --Julo 23:42, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Hope now is OK. Regards --Julo 00:08, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Animated pics (.gif ?)[edit]

The two little one show a clear bug on my screen, see you them ? Yug talk 10:31, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

File:Yi1 u4e00 order.gif 50px


File:A huo.gif 50px

this two gif were made by different users (recently by User:Wikic and the second by my brother, long, long time ago...)


Thankx to consider this template too : {{Some explain}}, I think it could be more convenient for you.

Template:Some explain


I'm sorry I don't konw how to do. I can not use English. I find the picture in the English Wikipedia and I only want to use it in Chinese Wikipedia. The creator is "Adamrice" from English Wikipedia, how can I link his name in the picture? Can you help me? Thank you! --SEVEN 12:54, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, I have a little understand the rule of Commons. I'm studying, also English. I have a question, if I upload the picture maked by myself, which kind of the license I can designate? It must be the GFDL or Cc-by-sa? --SEVEN 13:41, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
Thank you Duesentrieb, I find the GFDL license of the picture Image:Honey comb.jpg in the English Wiki and modified the image. I don't know it's right or not, and I don't know how to classify it in English. --SEVEN 14:18, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm very glad to heard the picture is be OK, and thank you very much. I'll contact the creator who is uploaded the picture Sho.png, and I hope I can get the license, I'm reading the information of license, though it's so difficult for me, But I'll try to do it better. Thank you again~ Yours, SEVEN 14:47, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
Hi, Duesentrieb~ I find a picture form France Wiki. I think it's better to use and it's from free domain. If we can't get the license, you can delete the picture Sho.png. I'll upload the new picture to use. I must go to bed, it's so late, good night & see you~ --SEVEN 17:19, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Copyright icons[edit]

I have just released the icons into the public domain (see User talk:Rfl#Copyleft icons) and created a Copyright gallery. Rafał Pocztarski 18:34, 19 May 2005 (UTC)


Kopie meiner Antwort auf meiner Diskussionsseite:

Sorry, im Prinzip hast Du recht - aber in solchen Fällen stehen normalerweise Hinweise auf den Copyright-Inhaber dabei. Da dies bei diesen Bildern nicht der Fall ist, gehe ich hier von Fotos aus, die am Set während oder zwischen den Dreharbeiten von Armeeangehörigen gemacht wurden.
Die Schnelllöschung finde ich in diesem Fall schon sehr überstürzt, wenn nicht sogar frech (soweit ich das sehe, gab es nicht mal einen Löschantrag) - vor allem da es wirklich schwer ist, von Filmen der letzten Jahrzehnte überhaupt Fotos zu finden.
Wenn das mittlerweile der Usus hier auf commons ist, dann sucht Euch eure/unsre Fotos in Zukunft gefälligst selbst - für mich ist das Thema Fotos jedenfalls gestorben.

Falls Du mir antworten willst, bitte benutze meine de-Seite - ich werde mich in Zukunft nur noch zum Bildersuchen hier auf commons bewegen, ob ich da immer eingeloggt bin, kann ich nicht versprechen. -- Srbauer 02:28, 21 May 2005 (UTC)


The important point is that the images should be placed in the general structure somewhere. There is a large number of completely unsorted images on the commons right now, see Commons:Really unused. If you would like to help to place some of those images where they can be found, please do! Thank you. -- Duesentrieb 11:33, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Danke für den Tipp. Ich hab mich bisher noch nicht mit der Thesaurus-Struktur von commons beschäftigt. Wie hängt man denn Artikel in Kategorien ein? Wolley 11:58, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Upload image source[edit]

All added to the images :)

Image of Tashkent Tower[edit]

Thanks for your information. This was only the second image I have uploaded to Commons (the first one having been Chiang_Kai-shek.jpg), and I guess I'm still not completely familiar with the procedures. As for the resolution, that was my mistake. I didn't realise the pic I saved from German Wikipedia was a lower-resolution version. I thought it was ok to upload this image to Commons because the image in German Wikipedia says: "Dieses Bild wurde von seinem Urheber zur uneingeschränkten Nutzung freigegeben oder erreicht nicht die nötige Schöpfungshöhe, um geschützt zu sein. Das Bild ist damit gemeinfrei („public domain“)", so I thought I could use it freely. If this image is not acceptable, I guess any image which doesn't explicitly say that the author has agreed to put it in the public domain shoudn't be accepted in Commons. Am I right?--AngelRiesgo 17:07, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks again. Since you have already requested the person who uploaded the image to German Wikipedia, I'll wait to see if the image is finally found to be acceptable. If that's the case, we should replace it with the original full-resolution version. If you get a reply from user Drebrikov, feel free to leave a message on my talk page, and I can do the uploading myself. Hopefully, I won't mess it up again. I decided to use that image in the Spanish article on Tashkent I've been working on today, and I thought that image was nice. By the way, may I ask you a couple of questions?
  • I am thinking of uploading some pictures I took myself while travelling last year. When I upload such pictures, is it enough to say "Picture taken by me" followed by a PD template? Or is any extra information required?
  • My second question concerns pictures of Chinese politicians like the one of Chiang Kai-shek that I uploaded to Commons a few days ago. I'm working on some China-related articles on Spanish wikipedia, like Chiang Kai-shek and Sun Yat-sen. I've seen that a lot of old pictures of Chinese politicians are labelled as PD on English Wikipedia because according to Chinese copyright laws, pictures taken in China more than 50 years ago automatically enter the public domain. I was wondering if this Chinese copyright criterion is acceptable in Commons. Sorry about bothering you with these questions, but I'm not familiar at all with all these copyright issues.--AngelRiesgo 18:08, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies. I really appreciate it. --AngelRiesgo 22:00, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Image:Albert Einstein.jpg[edit]

This is utter rubbish. If the Library and Archives of Canada, who have acquired the Yousuf Karsh Collection, state that the copyright was expired, then that's good enough for me and for Wikipedia. See [1]. Lupo 19:01, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

See also [2], where LAC states that they acquired the Karsh collection. Camera Press shall sue LAC, if they dare, or send an official DMCA takedown notice. I'd ignore spurious copyvio claims by anons. Lupo 19:11, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Copied to Commons:Village pump#image on wikimedia commons, explicitly labeled as copyrighted?, answer there -- Duesentrieb 19:17, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Spoken Wikipedia[edit]

Thank you for your support with Image:Cigarrera.OGG, my first contribution to Commons. I will do my best to fit everything. By the way, I'm not the first one to load here an spoken article, for I followed the path (copying every step) of Image:Historia de Andalucía.ogg, from an Andalusian colleague. I'll try to check all our spoken articles in es.wikipedia. For the time being we have very few! Sorry for the capital letters in .OGG --Vivero 16:34, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Copyright infringements?[edit]

Concerning the pictures about Miss Universe, you have stated that the images are of copyright infringment. I understand your comment, but I'm afraid that i couldn't access to the link you provided [3]--I would appreciate it if you can provide me an alternative link or a cached version of the link.

Concerning about the HDB flats pictures and crying picture of Lee Kuan Yew, any works that is done by the Singapore government itself is considered as Public domain. [4] For the other images, I am proud to say that the images are donated to the Singapore National Museum Archives, and all the images there are also Public domain.

Tan 18:55, 1 June 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your swift response.

The HDB mages are from the book Public Housing of Singapore, and gurantees Public domain as stated in the book in view of it is a piece of government research or survey work; therefore it is Public domain. This applies to [Image:Kallang.jpg]

The Lee Kuan Yew image [Image:Leecry.jpg] is from a scan of a Publicised book from various sources, and it is donated to the National Board of Archives. I am aware of the point that (4A) Where the work referred to in subsection (4) is an engraving or a photograph, the copyright shall continue to subsist until the end of the period of 70 years from the end of the calendar year in which the engraving or photograph is first published. from [5], but you must note that if a photograph is taken by a ordinary person at his own accord and not issued by the government and donated to the museum or archives, the copyright is obliterated.

For your information, the photos of [Image:Shentonsway.jpg], etc are photos that I scanned it from a book (I forgot the title), but it says that all the images from there are guranteed PD, for they are recollections of photographs taken by ordinary people and donated to the archives/museum

Again, I would like to stress that none of the photographs are taken from any websites. I scaned them myself. Your response is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Tan 13:18, 2 June 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I am a novice[edit]

Yet fixed mi photography. I think that already is correct.
Sorry for the inconveniences and my bad english. My languaje is de Spanish. Triku 17:47, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ich bin italiener und ich kann nicht gut deutsch oder english schreiben.... danke fur erklaerung. Per i prossimi upload seguirò le istruzioni. Grazie )))))) --Pil56 23:32, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ich habe die links geschriebt wo die bildes sind. [[6]] [[7]] [[8]] [[9]] [[10]] [[11]] [[12]] [[13]] [[14]] [[15]]. Das ist in Ordnung jetz? Danke und grusse. --Pil56 11:33, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image copyright status[edit]

I'm a newcomer to Commons. Could you please explain how can I provide the appropiate copyright licence for my logo not to be deleted again? I don't know what steps I must take. Thank you Wikicarlos 01:01, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)


besides all that, Image:RichardDeHasting seal saint george.gif seems to be completely broken (it does not show correctly in the browser or in any image viewer I tried). Please fix it... -- Duesentrieb 20:03, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC) Regarding Image:RichardDeHasting seal saint george.gif please help me to delete the page considering that the 30px is the same image.

seem to be (poor) reproductions - thus they would be PD, because you don't have any rights to reproductions : I Agree with this: all seals images should be PD (reagarding the substantial way of transformation i don't know how can it be calculated, some of the images are copletely redrawn and then modified with gimp. I'm not very sure if the label should be PD-seal. The reason for my reproduction is that I've seen work from IX-XIV century copyrighted on some sites, but my strong belief is that everything in this situation shoul be PD. Because also the photo of the artistic work does not provide any substantial way of transformation. Also anyone who can provide better quality for those images is welcomed.(I'm not very gifted and I don't have very good skills)CristianChirita 07:17, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Retrieved from "" CristianChirita 07:30, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Images by User:Decumanus[edit]

This user uploaded a lot of images and license them mostly as GFDL but there's always a small copyright notice © 2005 Matthew Trump (seems to be his real name). Is this compatible to the Commons licensing policy ? --Denniss 18:07, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes, this is OK. Note that all images that are not PD are in fact copyrighted by someone. Having and reserving the copyright is necessary in order to put it under any license. The GFDL even recommends stating this explicitley - at the end of the license text [16] you will find the following:
ADDENDUM: How to use this License for your documents

To use this License in a document you have written, include a copy of
the License in the document and put the following copyright and
license notices just after the title page:

    Copyright (c)  YEAR  YOUR NAME.
    Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document
    under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2
    or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation;
So, yes, this is OK, even if it may seems confusing sometimes. -- Duesentrieb 20:05, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Template:please tag images[edit]

Hey, this has been translated into German, so if you come accross a user who can't speak english well but can speak German, you can use {{Bitte Informationen zu Bildern hinzufügen}}, I thought I'd inform you because I know you're one of the main users of {{please tag images}} :> Regards, Joolz 23:47, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Commons:Really unused[edit]

I´m sorry! I have uploade some images planning to use it in a future soon... An example: the picture of the Palacio de la Moneda en Chile...

Other: The ValParaiso harbour! Image:Porto de Valparaiso - Chile - by Sérgio Schmiegelow.jpg

And other: Image:Rio Mapocho, no Chile (rio de degelo, surpreendentemente veloz).jpg (this river is in Chile too. The flow is very fast and I´m planning an article about this kind of rivers... (Degelo (portuguese) occurs when the ice turn liquid state...) Oh, I apologize my poor English...

And other: Image:Pedra Furada - by Sérgio Schmiegelow -.jpg it´s an image from the main attraction of a natural park in Brazil... A big stone with a hole... "Pedra Furada" in Portuguese... -- Cesarious sig added -- Duesentrieb 18:34, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hallo! Tanke für die Brief[edit]

Hi, there! :) My german is not very good :) I'm in the process of tagging my images, thank you for your notice, i'll have them ready by tonight Project2501a 13:49, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Simpsons images[edit]

Hi Duesentrieb. Ich hoffe ich komme dann von deiner roten Liste wieder runter *g*. Was man sich da alles einfangen kann, wenn man unbedacht vorgeht. Löschanträge wurden übrigens jetzt gestellt. gruße von --Factumquintus 16:14, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Rxvt screenshots[edit]

Hi, thanx for your comments and your adjustements about the rxvt screenshots. I didn't actually made myself the screenshot but took it form : and put it on commons in order to put a picture on the french wikipedia article. My mistake comes from the fact that the picture was tagged as licensed under the GFDL licence. arno. 03:04, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

ok, I'll take care. arno. 13:37, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Adding my images to a few categories seems like a great idea. How do I do it? I looked at the help pages but was quickly lost in a jungle of links. Could you tell how it's done? How do I place my image into a category? The gallery part seems easier, I think I managed to place my image pelargon.jpg into a gallery? right?

Thanks for the tips about the categories Dues. I have another question. I looked at one of my images, namely this one: but it says "no pages link to this image". This is not right, both the Swedish and English wikipedia have articles about "skurugata" where this image is included. Why is this so? You know? Mnemo 18:16, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

User:Javier martin[edit]

Please include this user to User:Duesentrieb/redlist. He/she copied images from en: as PD when description cleary tells about unknown copyrights status. See Image:Jose Manuel Restrepo.jpg for example. Thank you. --EugeneZelenko 03:33, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

unannounced image deletion[edit]

You deleted Image:MartinusVanSchalkwyk.jpg on 25 Apr 2005 with only the note "non-commercial^" and without contacting me at all. I cannot see the old page, so I have no idea where it came from or what the terms were, since it would all have been noted on that page. I find this quite rude and disrupting, since the image was used across a few language wikis, and I've only noticed it now. If you had contacted me and the image was indeed improperly licenced, I could have made an effort to find a usable one within a reasonable amount of time instead of just having the image ripped out. Dewet 06:01, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply; I realise that the whole copyright dillemma is a huge issue for wikipedia, and especially the commons. And, I do admit that I was a little "casual" in uploading images before, but I do now virtually only upload my own creations, in order to simplify things. I just have a few questions:
"Material featured on this website is subject to copyright protection unless otherwise indicated. Material may be reproduced free of charge in any format or media without requiring permission. This is subject to the material being reproduced accurately and not in a derogatory manner or misleading context. The material may also not be used for any financial gain. Where the material is being published or issued to others, the source (including URL) and copyright status must be acknowledged."
On second examination, this seems terribly close to a "No commercial use" clause, although an enquiry from my part delivered the response I noted in User:Dewet/GCIS, in which there was no "no commercial use" clause, only an attribution clause. In the Copyright Act of 1978, it states that "No copyright shall subsist in official texts of a legislative, administrative or legal nature, or in official translations of such texts, or in speeches of a political nature or in speeches delivered in the course of legal proceedings, or in news of the day that are mere items of press information." So, I think my original summary in the template is accurate, at least in the spirit of the statements and law quoted above.
Thanks for the help so far! Dewet 14:14, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
As to the coins: reproductions are generally not considered an original work of art, even if they have been cleaned/corrected by hand. Thus, you have no copyright to it and can not license it - if you feel you did create a piece of art, you can license it. This is not very important, it only means that someone may use the image without attribution and you may not be able to force him to comply to your usage conditions (the CC terms). It is important however that you make sure the original is not copyrighted - mony usually is copyrighted, unless the design is quite old.
OK, the licensing isn't that important to me, so if it gets used as PD doesn't faze me. But are you saying that since its copyrighted, it cannot be distributed at all?
As to the government pictures: the usage terms of the website sound like non-derivative and non-commercial to me, both of which make the image non-usable for the commons. The copyright act as you quote it sounds to me similar to german law, which makes all work PD which is contained in a law, edict, political speach, etc, but not necessarily all work of government agencies. Especially, I don't see how this would make the Photographs PD. The email you received sounds better, thouogh - it would be good however to see the original question you sent there. Did you specifically ask about commercial use and derivative work? "You may use" does not necessarily mean "anyone can use", which would be required.
I'll go dig it up, or ask the person for clarification about that...
About your template: it would be a good idea to add links to the law and the mail (and the page with the terms of use) to the template, so others can look and see for themselves. It would be good to investigate this further, so we know if images from this website and by the S.A. government in general can be used freely. -- Duesentrieb 15:34, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sure, I'll try to find out from those responsible; hopefully we have an enlightened (ha!) enough gov't to release their works in a similar fashion to the US gov't. Dewet 18:01, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Unsere "Bildwerkstatt"[edit]

moin, unter de:Benutzer Diskussion:Andreas -horn- Hornig/Bildwerkstatt wollen ich und Sjr uns koordinieren um Bilder zu erstellen. Dazu wollte ich Skizzen erstellen, die das verdeutlichen, was ich in der Schriftform beschreibe. Dazu wollte ich vorher wissen, ob ich die Skizzen für die Bearbeitungszeit hier in die commons laden kann (so wie es sich hier gehört, mit infos und lizenz) aber die beim erscheinen des finalen bildes wieder gelöscht werden können. ist das okay, oder habt ihr da was gegen? grüsse, --Andreas -horn- Hornig 14:04, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Reupload of already deleted dick picture[edit]

here] and from this user. On the second upload than he made, he deleted my template "deletebecause" to keep his file self. Yug talk 23:26, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My RfA[edit]

Hi Duesentrieb, Thanks for supporting my RfA. I've added the link you gave me to the list on my user page. See you around, --Erin (talk) 14:12, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Alhambra picture series[edit]


I answered on the Discuss picture page.

Other questions follow :
1/can I open a new subcategory dedicated to this trend of pictures (about 20+).
2/ Are my naming conventions correct (GRX as airport code, Alhambra or Generalife as site desc, figures to link with personal collection).

Have a good day !

Holycharly 12:13, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hm, the airport code is somewhat non-obvious, i would prefer "Granade - " as a prefix - but that's not a real problem. You can create a subcategory by just using it (linking to it) - then follow the red link and put the new category into existing ones, that's all. Oh, and it would be good if you could place some of the images into categories answering the question "what" as opposed to "where" - like Category:Pottery, Category:Buildings, Category:Paintings, etc...
I also replied to you on the image discussion page -- Duesentrieb 12:35, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
developments for this topic : all related pictures are now grouped under the new Alhambra, Granada ; either a picture about la Alhambra has this category, or it is in the gallery of the (same-name) article. According to your advices, the first kind also are placed to a second category (such as Branch, for example). I need to stay with the category Alhambra to focus on my upload lists. Later on, it could evolve, once inserted the pictures.
please read my answer about the gazelle talk.

Thanks, but this is confusing.[edit]

You sent a note - I guess a standard form - to my talk page, pointing out that uploaded images should be categorised. That just confuses me, because I thought I'd properly put all the images I uploaded into the right category (saws). And, indeed, they seem to appear on that category page. Did I do it wrong?

The categorisation is very, very confusing for a newbie like myself - maybe I'll just go back to wikipedia and keep uploading local stuff there! The reason for my confusion is that I search for the right category, starting at the top - technology - tools - and reach and find three different sorts of things: subcategories, including saws, that I think I understand; "articles", which don't seem to be articles, but seem to be collections of media that would fit well in subcategories; and a bunch of pictures at the bottom of the page that are tools, and that are also in either subcategories or articles, but seem arbitrarily selected.

That looks like too may different ways to sort things, to me. Why are "articles" stored in "categories"? Why not just subcategories, and put the articles (if any) somewhere else? This is a media store, I go over to wikipedia to write articles!

Is there any move to simplify this indexing scheme, or are we stuck with it? Thanks! Emrys2 14:58, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Categories and searching?[edit]

Thanks for pointing out that I'd failed to categorise two images. Is there some way I can find out the same thing without visiting every one of my images to check?

I've looked at Commons:Images on normal pages or categories:Vote as you suggested, and I'd like to vote there, but there's something I still don't understand. I added text to all of my images explaining what they were. But, when I search for that text, I don't find it. This applies whether the image was placed in a category or in an article. For example, I can't locate my image by searching for MS280C, and I can't locate my image by searching for the phrase "stone, brick or concrete". Does wikimedia not search this descriptive text, or am I doing something wrong? It strikes me that we'd have much less trouble over indexing if searching was more effective. Do any of the proposals on the vote page improve this searching? Thanks! Emrys2 15:58, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Force cat update[edit]

I noticed your edit to Image:Dornier Do 17 V2 Werksbild Dornier 1935.jpg with the summary force cat update. Just wanted to point out that a "null edit" (where you hit "edit", then "save page" without making any changes) accomplishes the same thing. Cheers, dbenbenn | talk 18:19, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)



Ok, just sent a mail to fehed((aaa)) to ask confirmation of free licence.

Yug talk 26 June 2005 11:12 (UTC)

Hmmmmm ... ;-)[edit]

Hoi Duesentrieb,

erstmal hoffe ich, dass bei Dir alles in Ordnung ist, die Sonne scheint (im übertragenen Sinne) und Du guter Dinge bist. Denn Du könntest mir mal helfen bitte :-) Und zwar habe ich versucht, mit Hilfe und an Hand der neuen Möglichkeit Sidebar das zu machen, wofür ich vor Monaten noch Brion zum Basteln überzeugen musste *g* nämlich für die einzelnen Sprachoberflächen die Navigation anzupassen (Gemeinschaftsportal statt Community Portal) und die Erweiterung "Neue Dateien/New files" in der Navigation. Damit klar ist, worum es mir jetzt konkret geht, hier das funktionierende Beispiel:


Beides wäre jedoch sinnvoll und nützlich. Das heißt, die Beeinflussung des in der Navigation auftauchenden Verweisnamens ist problemlos möglich, nur das Linkziel wird nicht angepasst und geht weiterhin zu den englischen Seiten, eine /de-MediaWikiMessage beeinflusst das offenbar nicht. Da (de.version) tauchen die neuen Messages auch nicht entsprechend X auf, hmm für die englische Oberfläche scheint es aber in default/localsettings.php drinne zu sein, nur die de.version mit /de mag nicht ... und ich hab jetzt spontan keine Idee mehr dazu und auch die Tage leider keine Zeit, mich drum zu kümmern. Wäre also lieb, wenn Du versuchst, für Abhilfe zu sorgen.

Vielen Dank und gute Grüße von :Bdk: June 28, 2005 02:35 (UTC)

Thanks for your help[edit]

I don't understand how it is possible to have a page with no account but it works ! Thanks ! :Esperce:


So, while other formats are being debated at Commons:Village pump#What file formats should be allowed?, can we get SVG turned on, as that seems completely un-controversial? Do you know how to get that done, or who can do it? Thanks, dbenbenn | talk 4 July 2005 18:14 (UTC)

We all hope this ! Duesentrieb, I think when SVG will be allow to upload on commons, that should be great if a visible announce is make, a « SVG format is now allow on Commons ! », like the nowadays « All active users are invited to vote in the Elections for the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation. » Thanks to consider this Yug talk 18:14, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
I asked Brion about SVG last weekend on IRC. He said that although SVG is now "safe", the software isn't installed to render SVG as PNG. I suggested we could allow SVG uploads even though they can't render yet, but he said that would leave broken thumbnails all over the place. dbenbenn | talk 17:44, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Image:Kind of chinese stroke 1.JPG / Image:Kind of chinese stroke 2.JPG and the french fr:Image:Kind_of_chinese_stroke_bw.png[edit]

This case is special, because the book from which I took this 2 pic is teaching calligraphy by showing the shape of old chinese characters carve in walls of an old chinese temple. So I consider the original draws as Public Domain for long time. I had put this on commons because I was looking for help to extract the strokes from the book, and this work is done from today on the french fr:Image:Kind_of_chinese_stroke_bw.png.

In this new one, except the dark line, and the chinese naming of each stroke -which is a fact- just stay all the strokes from the old temple.

I think the 2 old one are copyrighted because of the text and have to be deleted, but the new one is simply like « ABCD » and is to consider as the old writing, under PD or GNU.

PS : I know that wasn't a great way, but I want say clearly than the 2 old files were there waiting to be clean up of copyrighted parts and I didn't knew an other way.

The copyright of this one is now ok~

Bye ~ Yug talk 18:14, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I deleted them. I'm not sure if the picture on the fr:wp is PD, because the page layout may be copyright worthy by itself - but I can't judge that, and the picture is not on the commons, so it's ok for now. -- Duesentrieb 19:06, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
Oups... I already did the upload : Image:Kind_of_chinese_stroke_bw.png O.O Yug talk

Jasnagora.png and jpg.[edit]

I have just converter orignial vector file (from Corel Draw) to better quality Jasnagora.png - as User:Reytan has asked me to do this. I have made it clear in the file description that he is the author of this picture. We know each other very well. Please, remove Image:Jasnagora.jpg as it is actually not needed. Polimerek 4 July 2005 22:16 (UTC)


Since you asked some time ago to start adding a cat to pics I upload I would like to ask you to help me confince User:Factumquintus to stop uncategorising all butterflies. I put a lot of afford in getting more pictures in categories there and now that work is being deleted. -Svdmolen 8 July 2005 21:51 (UTC)

Your note[edit]

I had already put that photo into a very comprehensive gallery of spider photos I have created. Patrick Edwin Moran 06:31, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Commons:Untagged images[edit]

Hey there, I noticed that you had generated the first Commons:Untagged images, all images listed on it have been tagged (either with the correct tag, or with {{unknown}} etc.), therefore I'm asking you in the hope that you can generate a new one :P it will be interesting to see how long the new one is compared to the old one.. -- Joolz 22:20, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


Hi Duesentrieb,

please take a look at what I wrote in this image's page. The e-mail asking Fox for permission does not indicate that the image will be published without restrictions of use. I read at that the deletion of this image was voted and that the community decided to maintain it. Noticing that the e-mail has been published in portuguese only, I wonder how many users in Commons are able to read Portuguese... Regards, --Mschlindwein 10:25, 7 August 2005 (UTC)


Hallo Duesentrieb, die oben genannte Kategorie existiert (unter Lepidoptera), aber leider mit dem falschen Namen "Depranidae". Ein Verschieben ist in diesem Fall nicht möglich, wie geht es also weiter? Viele Grüße, --Olei 21:49, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Hallo - also, Kategorien umbenennen geht so: in allen Artikeln, Bildern und Unterkategorien den Link auf die alte Kategorie durch den neuen ersetzen. Dann auf einen der roten Links für die neue Kategorie klicken, und dort (mindestens) die Überkategorie eintragen. Dann für die alte Kategorie Schnelllöschung beantragen, mit {{db|misspelled, see [[:Category:NeuerName]]}}. Ich hab' das mal gemacht, in Category:Drepanidae gab's sogar schon 'nen bild, aber die Kategorie war nicht in Lepidoptera eingehängt. -- Duesentrieb 23:59, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Ich danke dir, das ging ja schneller als die Polizei erlaubt!!! :-) Grüße, --Olei 09:21, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

doppeltes Bild[edit]

Hallo Duesentrieb, ich benötige nochmal Hilfe. Ich habe zwei identische Bilder bei den Schmetterlingen gefunden: Melanargia galathea1.jpg und Melanargia galathea (summi).jpg. Die erste Datei ist neuer und hat eine höhere Auflösung, so dass das zweite gelöscht werden sollte. Gibts dafür eine Vorlage? Viele Grüße, --Olei 20:27, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

ja, es gibt die Vorlage {{redundant}}, zu benutzen z.B. so: {{redundant|[[:Image:Melanargia galathea1.jpg]]}}. Am besten packst du den Baustein in beide Bilder - welches bleibt, hängt auch davon ab, welches wie oft benutzt wird. Ich schau mir das gleich mal an. -- Duesentrieb(?!) 22:08, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Image:Albert Einstein.jpg again[edit]

Did you ever contact the Library and Archives of Canada? If so, did you ever hear back from them, and if so, what did they write? Neither the old discussion (now at Commons:Village_pump_archive-13) nor the image description page nor its discussion page give any indication... Lupo 11:04, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

No, I have not. If you are concerned about the status of this image, please ask them about it. Or we can just belive them and let anyone claiming a (c) on the pictures duke it out with the canadians. -- Duesentrieb(?!) 11:11, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Category: Photos[edit]

Hi Duesentrieb, let me answer in English too. I agree with you and with Thuresson, that's not good to have all images with the category "Photos". But I don't agree with the definition. Perhaps it would be better, to call this category "Photography" or so. And I'm very angry to see, that you can see hundreds of Pictures in the category "Photos" which are not different types than mine. So I think Thuresson or another administrator has to remove the category "photos" there too. Then I'll be silent or say "It's o.k." --S.moeller 12:57, 15 August 2005 (UTC)


Hi Duesentrieb. I notice you changed MediaWiki:Filedesc. Have you taken a look at Special:Upload since then? For me, next to the summary field, appears the text


Is there some other special page that also uses that message? dbenbenn | talk 15:55, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Category:Danaus plexippus[edit]

Hallo Düsentrieb, die obige Kategorie wurde falsch angelegt, es existiert ein gleichnamiger Artikel. Könntest du sie kurz und schmerzlos entsorgen (ist leer)? Grüße, --Olei 14:03, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

done -- Duesentrieb(?!) 14:12, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Super! Wie immer schneller als die Polizei erlaubt. Bist du eigentlich in der Wikipedia schon geblitzt worden? :-) Grüße, --Olei 21:21, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

I will NOT be contributing illustrations to Commons - or any other wiki[edit]

I'm sorry, I know you talked to Gerard at Wikimania, and he had convinced me that I should go back to contribute here again. But after the way people behave here, molesting other peoples images, reverting licences at their own lack of insight. And foremost - NO COMMUNICATION WHATSOEVER - they only go on molesting other people's work. What kind of "wiki" is this? (I'm not blaming you, but people like Thuresson, dbenbenn and Paddy are simply to far away from proper communication skills to be able of normal human communication skills. They do not even deem others worthy of being informed of their actions.) The last "edit" by Paddy has convinced me of how Commons work - not.

I'd appreciate it if you could please see to it that my images get the licences they should have - as adviced by Thuresson - "nd". I will also do my best to advise other wiki users of how contributions are treated here on commons in order to avoid more images being molested. Br. Noorse 23:42, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


Ok, thank you! I'll do it sure! Ines 09:18, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Was sollen diese bescheuerten 100 Jahre pma?[edit]

Nachdem eine Nachfrage auf der dt. Bildrechteseite kam, möchte ich dich fragen, wieso Commons diese bescheuerte 100 Jahresregelung hat und ob man PD-old nicht einfach ändern kann. 70 reichen doch dicke (USA, EU, CH usw.). Wo wurde darüber diskutiert? Gruß --Historiograf 15:32, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Das ist wohl so, um auf Nummer sicher zu gehen, damit's wirklich überall stimmt. Übrigens: die USA haben 95 Jahre pma (oder 70, oder 120, je nach dem...), Mexico 100 (schau mal auf Commons:Licensing#Country-specific_laws). Allerdings fehlt nun ein Baustein für die 70 Jahre PMA - es gibt zwar {{PD-Art}}, aber der Baustein ist irgendwie dämlich benannt. Evlt sollten wir {{PD-EU}} und/oder {{PD-old-70}} einführen (und evtl noch ein paar andere).
Wo das diskutiert wurde, kann ich dir nicht sagen - vermutlich wurde das einfach aus der en:wp übernommen. Anfragen am besten auf der Commons:Village pump. -- Duesentrieb(?!) 16:30, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi, danke für die wenig weiterführenden Angaben. Dass Mexiko 100 hat, weiss ich möglicherweise länger als du. Danach brauchen wir uns nicht zu richten, diese 30 Jahre zusätzlich sind idiotisch, da in de keine solche Vorbehalte bestehen und die meisten Leute den Baustein auch für knapp PD-Werke bei 70 pma verwenden. In den USA ist die Regelschutzfrist übrigens auch 70 Jahre pma. Lies dazu bitte den de Artikel Regelschutzfrist. Danke. --Historiograf 16:54, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Hm, wenn du's eh besser weisst, warum fragst du dann? Oder war die Frage rethorisch, und das war als Beschwerde zu verstehen? Dann bist du bei mir falsch - ich habe den Baustein nicht verbrochen, und auch die Licensing Policy nicht (auch wenn ich derjenige war, der daraus als erster 'nen Fliesstext gemacht hat). Zudem stimme ich dir zu: der aktuelle PD-old Baustein ist nicht besonders, das sollte präzieser sein. Ändern kann man ihn aber jetzt nicht mehr so einfach, dadurch wären dann ja u.U. einige Bilder falsch getaggt.
Was die USA angeht: das ist die bislang übersichtlichste Quelle, die ich finden konnte - und daraus geht hervor, dass die Schutzfrist in einigen durchaus relevanten Fällen (insb. für "works for hire") meist 95 Jahre beträgt.
Wie gesagt - wenn du an dem Baustein was ändern möchtest, oder neue einführen, schlage das am besten auf der Pump vor. Bitte frage mich nur dann etwas, wenn du auch an der Antwort interressiert bist. -- Duesentrieb(?!) 17:21, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Wieso wären Bilder falsch getaggt, wenn man 100 in 70 ändert? Und ich werde doch vielleicht die Banalität deiner Antwort beanstanden dürfen (wobei ich die Irreführung, 95 Jahre nach Herstellung und 70 Jahre pma durcheinanderzuwerfen, ganz unberücksichtigt lasse, es ging um die Regelschutzfrist), es hätte ja durchaus sein können (OK, war sehr unwahrscheinlich), dass du etwas Weiterführendes gewusst hättest. Wenn Commons solche exzellenten Mitarbeiter wie dich hat, braucht es keine Vandalen ... kleiner Scherz. Viele Grüße --Historiograf 17:34, 30 August 2005 (UTC) 2.0 Writer (es).jpg[edit]

Done (I hope). I was dealing with a couple of other images for the license, the wikinews articles, the OO, the Gimp,... and I made a remiz :)). Anyway, I try to keep my own template for the comments; it's like a headache to upload whatever, sniff. byj 13:03, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

USAF-Museum-Fotos: PD vs. ©[edit]

Hallo Duesentrieb. Seit kurzem sind die Inhalte der USAF-Museumssite [17] generell frei [18] (zuvor war die kommerzielle Verwertung ausdrücklich nicht gestattet). Die dort präsentierten Fotos sind allerdings zum Teil mit einem Copyright-Vermerk versehen (Beispiel: [19]). Dazu sagt Commons:Licensing#United_States sinngemäß, dass Veröffentlichungen in den USA von vor dem 1. März 1989 nur ohne Copyright-Vermerk als Public Domain gelten. Stimmt das, und vereitelt das wirklich die Verwendung unter PD-Lizenz in commons? Gruß -- Arcturus 13:47, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Tja, die Informationen sind widersprüchlich - ich würde denen mal schreiben, und fragen ob das "PD" auch für Bilder gilt, in denen ein (c)-Vermerk ist. Ich würde mal davon ausgehen, dass die beschlassen haben, alls als PD freizugeben, aber halt nicht alle Fotos retuschieren wollten, in denen Schon ein Vermerk war.
Fragen ist immer besser, aber ich denke, du kannst davon ausgehen, das alles auf der Seite PD ist, es sei den es trägt einen (c)-Vermerk einer dritten Person oder Institution. -- Duesentrieb(?!) 14:28, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Automatic gallery[edit]

Herzlichen Dank!
Und nochmal herzlichen Glückwunsch nachträglich! :-)
MichaelXXLF 14:16, 3 September 2005 (UTC)



I have modify Image:UnitCircle.png. Tell me if that is ok, then I would do the same for others (copy the info from English Wikepedia). It is a little bit more labor demanding than just saying "From English Wikipedia". Can I just give link to the image in English Wikipedia? Tttrung 14:54, 5 September 2005 (UTC)


Hi Duesentrieb,

Could you please :

Yours, Holycharly 14:01, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the update
In the meantime, a new updated file (made by Graphics Wikiproject) changed the subject.
Follow the replacement at GRX Alhambra gazelleR 8973.jpg if you please.
My question is : Is there a way to keep the old file in an "Archive category status" or something equal, to prevent the ultimate solution : deletion of the old one ?


Thanks for your notify. I have already used this picture in Chinese Wikipedia page zh:邓演达, but I don't know why it is still unreferenced yet. --earthengine 15:05, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your tip. Now it is in Category:History of China. I also uploaded my own pic to be used in my user pages, is it also required to be placed in a category? --earthengine 15:41, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

SVG Help[edit]

I need to help drawing SVG images. What program did you use to work on it? Zscout370 (sound off) 22:23, 2005 September 12 (UTC)

Unused images and categories[edit]

Duesentrieb wrote:

Hello - thank you for providing images to the wikimedia commons. Please keep in mind that images uploaded to the commons should be useful to all users of wikimedia projects - this is possible only if the images can be found by other people. To allow others to find the images you uploaded here, the images should be in some place that can be found by navigating the category structure. This means that you should either place the images on topic pages (galleries) or put the images directly into a category, or do both. Which of those possibilities is preferred is however a matter of debate, see here.
The important point is that the images should be placed in the general structure somewhere. There is a large number of completely unsorted images on the commons right now, see Commons:Really unused. If you would like to help to place some of those images where they can be found, please do! Thank you. -- Duesentrieb(?!) 15:27, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

It would be much easier to keep track of the images one has uploaded, if there was a category "images-of-user-xyz". Is there a feature like this that I've missed? Otherwise, it's really hard to find the own images again to categorize them, if one has forgotten to do so during upload. The "my contributions" page is useless for that, because it does list images multiple times and also lists edit operations to image pages. -- Haui 17:08, 15 September 2005 (UTC).

Sadly, there is no feature for listing all images you uploaded - I have in fact filed a feature request for that some time ago: bugzilla:3341. One solution would be to collect your images in a category (see the Category:User galleries), or you could put a private template on each description page (like I do with User:Duesentrieb/Image Stamp). For now, you will have to use your contribution page, sorry... -- Duesentrieb(?!) 17:58, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

How do you like this page: User:Haui/My Images? -- Haui 16:23, 16 September 2005 (UTC).

Wow, great! Hm, you are supplying a lot of diagrams - it would be excelent if you could upload them as SVG? We have support for that now, and it workse really great for diagrams and such. -- Duesentrieb(?!) 16:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Actually, there's always the user upload log, which lists all images you've uploaded since December 6 or so. dbenbenn | talk 17:40, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
Heh, you're right, I totally forgot that -- Duesentrieb(?!) 19:06, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

This upload log is much better than the "my contributions" page (especially for the commons)! In the long term, I'll will move to SVG format for my diagrams. But since I use OpenOffice, and SVG export in OpenOffice is deadly broken - creating files that are worse to edit than bitmaps - I've to wait for some improvement there. I'm normally uploading also SXD versions of the files. By the way, the commons only allow old-fashioned SXD OpenOffice drawings but not the upcomming OpenDocument ODG alternative that is the preferred format of OpenOffice 2.0. When will this format be allowed at the commons? -- Haui 17:42, 17 September 2005 (UTC).

Linkfix im Template "Sisterprojects" auf der Commons-Hauptseite erforderlich[edit]

Hallo Duesentrieb, mir ist aufgefallen, dass im Template sisterprojects-de auf der Commons-Hauptseite der Link zu auf eine veraltete Adresse verweist. Das Template ist schreibgeschützt. Könntest Du bitte den Link verbessern? Dankeschön, Grüsse, Longbow4u 12:54, 17 September 2005 (UTC)


Hallo! Danke für deine Antwort auf meine Frage im Forum, habe dir dort geantwortet. Mg22 13:31, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Scaling SVG in galleries[edit]

Hi Duesentrieb. Could you please take a look at bugzilla:3499? Thanks, dbenbenn | talk 21:55, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:Human.svg and Image:Human.png[edit]

Hi - i don't think the PNG version is redundant, because it was extracted from NASA's original, whereas the SVG version was created after that, by hand, trying to imitate the original. The images are also not identical, thus we should keep the PNG version. -- Duesentrieb(?!) 23:22, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Alright. Sorry about that. I removed the incorrect {{redundant}} tag (you could have done so yourself, of course!). I can see that your original version was extracted from AC72-1338_a.jpeg, but I wonder how User:Jossifresco produced the high-resolution version. dbenbenn | talk 03:37, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
no problem, and thanks for cleaning up! Regarding the high resolution version: I have found Image:Pioneer10-plaque.jpg on the web, and updated Image:PPlaqueLarge.png with a white-background-version of that. Not sure if Jossifresco used that, but it's big enough anyway :) -- Duesentrieb(?!) 12:02, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Template:Copyrighted free use[edit]

elements cross-posted

OK, I'll put it quite simply (well, OK, this is copyright, so... ;-), and of course this is merely as I understand it):
  • Releasing all claim to a work is legally impossible in many jurisdictions, including the EU.
  • This is often (but not always, and not necessarily only) because it is (deliberately) impossible to surrender the right of attribution.
  • In such circumstances, failing to attribute people as the author is illegal (and often a criminal act rather than merely tortious).
  • Even though (or, perhaps, because) the law is crafted so that people cannot surrender their moral rights, asking people to agree to surrender said rights is sometimes in such places illegal in and of itself.
Therefore asking people to release under PD-self makes no sense over free-use in moral-rights countries - the former is legally impossible and the suggested alternative is, well, absolutely the same as free-use. Saying "please use 'PD-self'" which is not PD is veyr confusing - a European applying PD-self to get free-use to an upload of theirs would have their work (illegally, due to the Berne Convention) used like PD by an American. This would not be a good idea.
The current (as of when you wrote your message) wording of PD-self was not sufficient to "take care of the EU issues". It suggested the legal possibility of releasing material "for any purpose, without any conditions" at all, whereas the whole point is that were one able to do just that it would be PD.
I hope that that was, erm, clear. :-)
Also, please do not use the sysop rollback feature on non-vandalism. It is generally considered rude.
James F. (talk) 09:20, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:High voltage warning.png[edit]

Please replace it with SVG. --EugeneZelenko 14:54, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

done: Image:High voltage warning.svg, I have also changed the links in major projects and tagged the png as redundant. -- Duesentrieb(?!) 17:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
Would you consider cropping the SVG to the triangle, as the PNG was? In general, it's easy to add space around an image using HTML trickery, but empty space that's built into the image can't be removed. dbenbenn | talk 19:13, 20 September 2005 (UTC)


Hallo Duesentrieb! Vor einer (oder waren es zwei? hoffentlich nicht) Wochen hast du mir Angeboten, die von mir hochgeladenen Bilder zu löschen, um sie erneut hochzuladen, ohne meinen Namen. Ich habe die Sache zuletzt etwas schleifen lassen. (sorry!) Aber ich kann jetzt die SLAs stellen, würde dies aber gerne mit dir absprechen, da am besten du die Bilder löschst. (du weisst worum es geht) Also, sag' mir bescheit, wann, und ich stelle die Anträge!

Danke für deine Mühe und schöne Grüße, Mg22 17:13, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


Hallo Düsentrieb, bei dem oben genannten Bild habe ich einen Schnelllöschantrag gestellt. Grund: es ist extrem unscharf und überbelichtet. Es ist aus meiner Sicht sehr fraglich, ob dieses Bild überhaupt jemals irgendwo verwendet werden kann. user:monedula hat heute revertiert und mir einen Kommentar dazu auf meiner Diskussionsseite hinterlassen. Ich will keinen edit-war anzetteln, deshalb meine Bitte: könntest du dir die Sache einmal ansehen und eine Entscheidung treffen? Es gibt in den commons schon genug mittelmäßige Fotos, da braucht es nicht noch ganz schlechte. ;-) Viele Grüße, --Olei 13:40, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Herzlichen Glueckwuensch zu deinem Diplom und zu deiner kleinen suessen Tochter![edit]

Hallo Duesentrieb! EugeneZelenko hat mich doch nicht von der Wiki-Website abgeschreckt! So einfach geht's nicht! Stav war fleissig und hat die Fotos beschrieben - ich hoffe, es ist jetzt ok. Fuer Image:Trans-Siberian-map.jpg habe ich keine Urheberrechte. Wenn es kein Problem waere, koenntest du diese Datei fuer mich bei Gelegenheit loeschen? - ich bin neu zu Wiki und weiss ja nicht mal, wie ich das Foto wieder rausnehmen koennte. Ich habe versucht, es auf die Schnelle rauszufinden, hab' es aber nicht geschafft. Ich verspreche ja auch in Zukunft keine Fotos upzuloaden, die ich selber nicht gemacht habe *g* Ja, Burning Man muss man mal gesehen haben, aber ein bisschen kommerzliell und uebertrieben gelobt, ist es auch. Die Wueste war auf jeden Fall der Hammer! Danke fuer deinen Feedback zu unserer Seite. Zoshi 18:09, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Löschwünsche ;-)[edit]

Hallo Düsentrieb, ich habe schon wieder Löschwünsche. Zwei Kategorien wurden falsch angelegt - die Bilder sind jetzt in Artikeln verlinkt. Es handelt sich dabei um Category:Danaus plexippus und Category:Vanessa indica.

Auf meiner Benutzerseite gibt es eine kleine Sammlung von Löschkandidaten. Diese wurde allesamt nach der Bestimmung unter neuem Namen hochgeladen. Könntest du bitte alles kurz und schmerzlos entsorgen? Vielen Dank und Grüße, --Olei 21:12, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


My paints made by Windows Paint program, then I can save only bmp, dib, jpg and gif. I would like paint in SVG, if you will tell me, where I can download it, please.
--Roger (Messages) 13:26, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
OK, after a little search I understud that SVG is a programming language. Then I need a graphic interface that trasform automaticaly my bmp in SVG.
--Roger (Messages) 13:38, 3 October 2005 (UTC)


Hallo Düsentrieb, das o. g. Bild ist nicht kategorisiert, wird aber in category:Pieridae gelistet. Habe ich Tomaten auf den Augen? ;-) Grüße, --Olei 08:42, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

DIe cat war irgendwann entfernt worden, das hat die DB aber wohl nicht mitbekommen. Einfach öffnen und gleich wieder speichern, dann klappt's :) -- Duesentrieb(?!) 09:36, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Ah, danke für den Tipp! Ich glaub(t)e der Datenbank eben vorbehaltlos... ;-) Grüße, --Olei 12:30, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Zwischendurch eine Bitte[edit]

Hier gehts darum, dass bestimmte Formulare trotz aller Umstellungen noch weiter in Englisch laufen, und zwar

  • beim Hochladen trotz Einstellungen=deutsch und
  • auf der Hauptseite, wenn man dort unangemeldet erscheint, beim Anmelden eine Benutzers.

Es geht darum, es für neue Benutzer die nur Deutsch können, möglichst leicht zu machen, siehe Meinungsbild. Sollte man hier also nicht was unternehmen?

Danke -- Simplicius 01:13, 9 October 2005 (UTC)


Do you still need it? --EugeneZelenko 02:22, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

nope, i deleted it. sorry I forgot. -- Duesentrieb(?!) 02:32, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Bild von mir[edit]

Hallo Duesentrieb! Ich habe jetzt für eines meiner beiden Bilder einen SLA gestellt, es wäre nett, wenn du es löschen würdest. Bei dem anderen warte ich lieber noch ab, denn in der deutschen Wikipedia gibt es sowieso ein besseres Bild, vielleicht kann jenes mein anderes ersetzen.

Schöne Grüße, Mg22 09:38, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Hm, das bild wird verwendet, siehe [20], daher möchte ich es nicht löschen. Würde ich nur machen, wenn du's sehr schnell wieder unter gleichem namen hochlädst (kannst versuchen, mich oder einen anderen admin im chat zu erwischen). Oder du lädst es nochmal unter anderem namen hoch und biegst die verwendungen entsprechen um. Dann kann man das alte einfach entsorgen. -- Duesentrieb(?!) 12:40, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Hallo! Danke für deine schnelle Antwort! Also ich hatte vor, das Bild umgehend unter gleichem Namen erneut hochzuladen, so wäre es fast durchgehend abrufbar. Mg22 12:52, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Ok, ist gelöscht. Bitte lade das ganz bald wieder hoch, sonst bekomme ich ärger, weil ich ein Bild gelöscht habe, das noch verwendet wird... -- Duesentrieb(?!) 13:03, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Vielen Dank! Das Bild ist schon wieder hochgeladen.
Schöne Grüße, Mg22 13:10, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

prima :) -- Duesentrieb(?!) 13:14, 14 October 2005 (UTC)


Hey Duesentrieb. The reason I haven't listed catagories for my pics is that I don't know what all categories there are. I'm uploading images here primarily for use in Wikipedia articles, where I am much more active. I will try and add categories to my images from now on.

E. Brown 05:57, 15 October 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome (thou I have been here a while earlier :D). Anyway I do have a habit of categorising all photos I upload as I have diligently done so for my latest batch of photos, and I dont mind helping out to categories other photos over time. Cheers!--Huaiwei 12:27, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Ah thats not a problem at all. In fact, I have been harbouring thoughts of cleaning things up since coming here and seeing what a literal mess some of it can be! :D Will get to work when I can find the time. You need not apologise for the buzz, and I appreciated it. At least someone finally notices I uploads something here. Muahaha. --Huaiwei 13:50, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Copyright, etc[edit]

Done. Cheers, --Ecelan 16:10, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Images from other wikis[edit]

About the images from, there's no more information about this image. But being a screenshot of an open source program, in a GFDL tutorial, I thought there will be no problem. The screenshot is here [21].

--Arturo Reina 12:31, 16 October 2005 (UTC)


...mein "Du hast neue Nachrichten" geht seit Tagen einfach nicht mehr weg. Was kann man da tun? -- Simplicius 17:38, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

And Image:Albert Einstein.jpg again![edit]

Hi there,

someone has put up this image for deletion (see Template:Deletion_requests#Image:Albert_Einstein.jpg). I have now contacted the LAC and asked for confirmation; they have confirmed that these images are in the public domain. See Image talk:Albert Einstein.jpg. I hope that settles this once and for all. Lupo 07:30, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


Hallo Duesentrieb, könntest du bitte mal die auf meiner Benutzerseite gesammelten Bilder entsorgen? Die Autoren sind informiert und ich habe auch in den anderen wikis nach der Verwendung gesucht. Grüße, --Olei 21:38, 30 October 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for the reverts on my talk page. Was ist dann mit meiner Seite los! Bin ich so berühmt, dass spamers mich angreifen? ;-) notafish }<';> 12:02, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Ja, echt komisch. Naja, ich hab' mal beantragt die entsprechenden sites auf die blacklist zu setzen. -- Duesentrieb(?!) 13:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm. OK, sie wurden beintragt. Btw. Ich bin auc admin auf meta ;-). Glaubst du, das meine discussionsseite zu schützen helfen würde? :/ notafish }<';> 16:40, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
Na prima, dann kannst du's ja selbst auf die blacklist setzen. Schützen würde ich deine Disku nicht - sie funktioniert doch super als Honeypot :) Ich frage mich nur, wesshalb?... -- Duesentrieb(?!) 16:45, 12 November 2005 (UTC)


Sorry, my mistake. I have assumed that a hand drawn rendition of a known character would be OK. Roo72 03:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)


Just wanted to say thanks for your advice at VP re: museum photos and other issues. Thanks to Wikimedia, I know more about copyright than I ever imagined!!! :-/

--pfctdayelise 13:13, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

rsvg version[edit]

Hi Duesentrieb. Do you know what version of rsvg the Commons uses to render SVG files? Image:Interstate 4.svg has two incorrect lines off the side, but they don't appear when I render the SVG myself with rsvg version 2.13.2. Perhaps we need to get someone to upgrade to the newest version? Thanks, User:dbenbenn 03:33, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Automatic category guesser[edit]

I want to perform a small test run of moving images from Polish Wikipedia to Commons (10-20 images), this time with correct category tagging. Is your automatic category guesser ready ? Taw 16:33, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm having a strange problem with a database connection, and an open ticket in my Real Job (tm)... I hope I have it up and running again by tomorrow. I'm in IRC now, if you want to chat, but probably not looking all the time. -- Duesentrieb(?!) 17:19, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
OK, I fixed it. I hope i won't brake it in the next few days... I don't plan to change anything on CommonSense itself, but i'll have to hack around the underlying libraries, so I *might* brake it for a while. I'm usually on IRC when I do stuff like that, so you cann yell at me right away :)
So, go ahead and play with it - have fun -- Duesentrieb(?!) 20:05, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Walden 69 and images download[edit]

All the images that I upload was downloaded for english version for Wikipedia, and I wish include in catalan version or Viquipedia. You can see it !

Walden 69 and images download[edit]

Well, I beg you pardon, but I'm contrutor of VIQUIPEDIA , the Catalan WIKIPEDIA (Have you know what is Catalonia ?). I read some articles in it, and I did want to include some images, but the ONLY form for include it was download of the English Wikipedia (all images I download are free or GNU) and re-upload in Commons. It's very strange for me, but I did so. I'm sorry if I don't do it well. I will do better now. Thanks for your help. Walden69

Probleme mit SVG[edit]

Hi, da du diesbezüglich der Auskenner zu sein scheinst und ich nicht weiß wo ich das sonst fragen könnte hab ich mal ein Problem für dich. Unter de:Blutkreislauf habe ich das Bild Image:Blutkreislauf Fische.svg angelegt. Das Problem ist, das das nun aus irgendwelchen bizarren Gründen in manchen Größen nicht angezeigt wird. Interessanterweise scheinen das aber für verschiedene Nutzer verschiedene Größen zu sein (s.a. Diskussion dort und History). Weißt du woran das liegen könnte? Danke, Lennert B 15:13, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


Ich habs mir mal angeschaut und hier mein Eindruck:

Grundlegend: Wozu dient das genau? Für Leute die dem Englischen nicht kundig sind eine Hilfestellung bei der Kategoriensuche bieten? Wieviel Sinn macht da eine Seite mit englischsprachigen Erklärungen, wie man das machen soll?

Die Aufspaltung in zwei Fenster ganz am Anfang finde ich unglücklich (insbesondere wenn die Server langsam sind). Hier würde ein einziges Ankreuzschema reichen, wobei mir der erste Punkt dann auch redundant zum zweiten Punkt ("custom") ist. Auch das "Weiter" ist umständlich, denn ich könnte den Dateinamen/Stichworte auch in der ersten Seite mit eingeben. Insgesamt würde ich einfach ein Fenster Dateiname oder Stichwort abfragen und mit einer Standardeinstellung verfahren (10 häufigste Wikipedias etc.). Da sich Dateinamen und Suchbegriffe auch unterscheiden könnte man das bei hinreichender Erkennung auch in einem einzigen Fenster abwickeln. Darunter kann man dann eine Auswahlbox setzen wo mehr Optionen bestehen, die aber für die meisten nicht interessant sein dürften.

Mit deutschen Stichworten hats übrigens recht gut funktioniert. Abschließend kann man also sagen, dass die Funktionalität mit der englischen Version zwar hergestellt und geprüft werden kann (und dabei schon recht gut ist), andererseits ohne verschiedene Sprachversionen kaum genutzt werden wird. Würde man solche entwickeln, so könnte man dann auch obige Standardeinstellungen speziell anpassen. Als feature würde ich auch einen Link zu entsprechenden Wörterbüchern im Netz empfehlen, also wenn vorhanden Wiktionary oder sowas wie dict.leo. --Saperaud 04:18, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Hallo, danke für dein Feedback! Ich habe gerade was auf COM:VP#Semi-Automatic categorization geschrieben, ich hoffe, die meisten deiner fragen sind dort beantwortet. Wozu Leo in diesem Kontext dienen soll, hab' ich allerdings nicht verstanden.
Nebenbei: Anfänglich war alles auf einer einzigen Seite - ich hab's absichtlich aufgeteilt, weil das Interface ziemlich unklar war. Aber es sollte auf jeden Fall wieder einfacher werden...
Naja, evtl erwische ich dich nachher mal im IRC, dann können wir noch ein bisschen drüber plaudern :)
Gruss -- Duesentrieb(?!) 13:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

In Bezug auf leo: wenn das tool bei verwaisten Bildern oder ähnlichem mal nichts ausspuckt oder Unklarheiten bestehen bleiben wäre mein nächster Griff der zu leo, ist aber vielleicht wirklich zu weit hergeholt, zu aufwendig und wer weiß noch was alles. Für Chat sehe ich eher schwarz, die Uni hat mich derzeit fest im Griff --Saperaud 14:56, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


Hallo. I don't speak english very well. I will ask you some questions:

  • How I can write the information of the images what I download without it ? I will do it, but I don't know how.
  • The flags and logos of regional divisions (France, Italy, Germany). They most are in png format, they don't are in Commons and I don't have acces to tags. They are in english wikipedia. The official flags are or public domain, isn't it ?
  • I download to commons images of English Wikipedia. Now I put the words under the image and "file history". It's right, or not ?
  • Now I download images of NARA (public domain) or flags of webpages. How I can know if a image in a webpage is public domain, GNU or so ?. The most of pages have no reference to it. Only "copyrignt" or not. The images of 75 years ago are public domain ... in USA. And, in Europe ???

Thanks for your time, I'm sorry for my english.

Walden69 17:22, 6 December 2005 (UTC) Thanks for the answer, but ... I want to know HOW I put the tags in the images of you have the reference. How I put the origine of the images that I have download ago. Explain me, please. The format png, for example, is in article OSCEOLA, the photo Osceola.png. I don't can have the tag of this photo, and the most of flags, too —Walden69 17:22, 6 December 2005 (UTC)


Ich habe versucht, für das folgende Bild ein Schnelllösch-Template zu setzen, aber der Nutzer entfernt es immer wieder: Image:Penis full.jpg. Besteht vielleicht die Möglichkeit, es direkt zu löschen? Fünf ähnliche Bilder wurden bereits gelöscht. Es ist unwissenschaftlich und pornographisch. Schöne Grüsse, Longbow4u 19:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)