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some new PTs for which images would be appreciated.[edit]

I've been doing some work on former user:Nuklear's List of phenyltropanes page in reflection of my cocaine analogues page, and the lack of images in comparison to the existing tables is growing more pronounced. Using the same old paper as always page 32 for the metal chelated radio-ligands of phenyltropanes, as well as pg. 41-through-45: namely the piperidine analogues and other alterations to the tropane ring (3-Phenyl-9-azabicyclo[3.3.1]nonane & 3-Phenyl-7-azabicyclo[2.2.1]heptane to be specific). Think you could get around to these images sometimes? Just even an R-substitution image for the piperidines or where possible. Many thanks Ed, my additions wouldn't be as meaningful to me if not for your visual contributions that keep up with MoS in a way I never seem able to. ;-j Let me know if & when you may be able to once again assist me. Nagelfar (talk) 01:05, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Also, there's one you did that's just a focus of interest because of its affinity; I noticed you omitted the stereochemistry in a few, but if you could just upgrade this image in particular so that it had the wedge bond on the beginning of the 3 tropane position so it's a 3-beta as shown in this image (you can put the wedge for the carbmethoxy at the beginning of the 2 tropane position to make it a 2 beta also for consistency) otherwise I think the image is great and I don't want it any different besides the two wedge bonds (keep the carbmethoxy drawn unlike the last image I linked where it just writes CO2CH3, etc.) yeah, just that styrene image updated to be shown as a 3-beta is the only change I'd value from what you've already contributed for me. Thanks again Ed. Nagelfar (talk) 21:04, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
the benzene chelated phenyltropanes 21a & 21b on pg. 11 I would also appreciate images for; as they're unusual to depict. (figure 6 @ top & scheme 8 @ bottom even show them somewhat differently) Nagelfar (talk) 01:18, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I should be able to get to all those in the next few days. Ed (Edgar181) 13:35, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Awesome news, Ed, you're a wonder. Lookin' forward to 'em. Nagelfar (talk) 22:02, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
I think they are all done now. (I still have to tweak 21a though because it didn't export correctly from the drawing program.) They are all uploaded into Category:Cocaine analogs. Ed (Edgar181) 12:09, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Ed. File:Cocaine_analog_167a.svg came out with a white, instead of translucent, background for whatever reason. I noticed the same thing for analog 225e.svg File:Cocaine analog 225e.svg Nagelfar (talk) 20:03, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
& if you're feeling up to it (seeing as you got on those so fast), if you could do the 2-Alkane/Alkene's also, that'd be great (i.e. compounds 4147.... P.S. isn't the proper stereochemistry for 224e a solid black wedge bond at the carbmethoxy? You did a shaded one, they're both black in the image I gave above Perhaps just giving a new version of the "alt" overwriting the one you already gave to account for that; unless you noticed it was in error of course, but I assumed they were both of a beta stereochemistry in that one). Nagelfar (talk) 17:15, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
You're right about 224e. Good catch. I've fixed it as well as the ones without transparency. And I've now created 41-47. Enjoy! Ed (Edgar181) 00:26, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Great Ed. 47b.svg was named just that, not "cocaine analog 47b", took me a second to find it. I put in the "file name request" myself, hopefully that should sort it out. Thanks Ed. if there's any busy-work additions you'd like added to any WP page, e.g. tables for chemistry articles, values, figures, numbers (as long as it hasn't anything to do with image files. ;-P) feel free to ask and I'll be glad to help in whatever way I am able. I'm good at the rote, mundane and repetitive. (meaning: too mind numbing for anyone else to want to bother with) :p Nagelfar (talk) 19:02, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Hey Ed, I was also wondering if I could get an R-substitution image covering all the vinylogous 2β analogues; you got them all for me individually but I'd like one for the table. ;j Best Regards, (additionally pg.24-25 has the TRODAT-1 & TROTEC-1 chelated analogs which I do not believe were part of the other group you did, which would be appreciated for the PTs page) Nagelfar (talk) 22:35, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

OK, here is File:Cocaine analog 201.svg (I think that's what you wanted, but let me know if it's not). I'll get the others shortly. Ed (Edgar181) 02:57, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes that's it! Looking forward to the other two. Thx as always Ed. (Oh and I made a couple new sub-categories at the 'cocaine analogs' common category: there is now a "phenyltropanes" sub-sections to the cocaine analogs section you started for those two images to go into.) Nagelfar (talk) 21:12, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
Subcategories are a good idea. The main category is getting large. I have now done TRODAT-1 and TROTEC-1. Ed (Edgar181) 03:22, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Since you're so forthcoming, there's some more R-images if you wouldn't mind that I'd like to see on the page for a comprehensive consistency of the page's style: 211a-211g (the 4-iodo 2beta), 223a-223e & 223f-223i (just the carbamoyl with the R in the 4/para & in the 3/meta position on the other) the 224a-224c as shown at page 58 i.e. 3beta with the two bonds and the "(CH2)n" in-between. Just four that I notice for now. Thanks Ed. ;) Nagelfar (talk) 22:56, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
No problem. All done. Ed (Edgar181) 15:43, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
Yikes! (thanks for keeping up with me Ed) I just got my own sorry attempts that never got the MoS right all nominated for deletion!
File:2-phenylmorpholine.jpg → replaced by File:2-phenylmorpholine.svg
File:Flumexadol.jpg → alternatives exist in Category:Flumexadol
File:C3hydroxycocaine.jpg
File:C3iodococaine.jpg
File:C2fluorococaine.jpg
File:C4acetoxycocaine.jpg
File:C4hydroxycocaine.jpg
File:C4iodococaine.jpg
File:C2iodococaine.jpg
File:C4phenylcocaine.jpg
Think you can redo them and upload them from where they are at i.e. file renamed *.svg but in a way signaling that they're added as new example so the bot can do the transfer on the WP side so I don't have to find each instance and manually do it? OK if I have to though. ;-j Nagelfar (talk) 18:51, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I can create the new images and replace them. I'll get to it today. Ed (Edgar181) 18:55, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
It took a couple of days, but they are done now. I've uploaded them with the same file names, except svg at the end. Ed (Edgar181) 23:19, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Ed, however I just noticed I think you already did those and those must've been old versions I no longer used. The images I am thinking of that're still on there weren't the ones tagged for deletion. Oops. I'll try to be more observant if this happens again Nagelfar (talk) 23:59, 19 January 2016 (UTC) ;-p
Yeah, it appears the ones I am thinking of are just File:M-Isococ.jpg & File:C3benzyloxycocaine.jpg. My apologies, but these are the two remaining ones that aren't like the rest. ;-f Regards. Nagelfar (talk) 00:03, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Besides those two: svgs of File:CocaineAnalogGNC.jpg, File:Hydroxytropacocaine.jpg, File:M-Hydroxybenzoylecgonine.jpg, File:Convolamine.jpg, File:K1-KLH-BSA.png, File:K2-KLH-BSA.png, File:CocaineNoncatalyticHapten394.png, File:CocaineNoncatalyticHapten395.png & File:CocaineNoncatalyticHapten396.png, would be sure to eliminate future scares of others tagging my existing article images as bad format for MoS. ;-P Just whenever you feel the motivation to help, those are the ones. :-p Nagelfar (talk) 21:12, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
(oh and File:Phyllalbine.jpg, File:3′-methoxy-8-methyl-spiro(8-azabicyclo(3.2.1)octane-3,5′(4′H)-isoxazole.png, File:Tematropium.png, File:Spirocyclic_cocaine_analog.jpg from the Wikipedia (not commons) territory made for the commons, would be similarly greatly appreciated. ;-p (hope I'm not coming across as dumping it all at you, if you can't, no sweat ;-j ) Nagelfar (talk) 21:17, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
oh and page four here if you could do those twelve under cocaine & fluoxetine (with the "E" = COOMe) and name them piperidinePT (and their compound number, 'PT' for "phenyltropane") that'd be **WONDERFUL**, heh, sorry for glutting your page with requests, but you've been my foundation with my pet WP chemistry page projects for some time now. ;-j Don't think it goes under-appreciated. Nagelfar (talk) 22:51, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
And I already got this table done for some time now too, the para di-meta. Those are on my wishlist too. ;j
Got 'em before you even said anything Ed, THANKS!!! I think the K1/K2-KLH-BSA might have to be compromised with the text portion where it says "carrier protein" as it appears to get cut off on the program you use (perhaps just "c. protein" or a hard return after the word "carrier"?) also one more: File:Cocaine_N-oxide.jpg. Can't wait for the rest ;-j Nagelfar (talk) 21:47, 23 January 2016 (UTC)Nagelfar (talk) 00:53, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
Might as well throw Strobamine in there, since it needs to be *.svg too. ;j Nagelfar (talk) 00:54, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, as always: Also thank you for the simultaneous update I got on a positive note, directly from your imparting of "autopatroller" to my status. Gave me a fond recollection of me at my grade school; it had a special program/category for especially well behaved students called "self-manager", we got to wear a hokey laminated pin-button with the school mascot on it (an owl). Heightened trust with hall passes or something of the like were the sole perks.... Well at the end of the 5th grade school year, I got small figurine & marble-based trophy, as I was one of only three students for my entire graduating year upon completion at that particular elementary school to have received the (honestly not coveted, as we were shunned as hopeless nerds, bhehe), we'll say 'prestigious', "self-manager" button every single year through, kindergarten to 5th. hehe. Wow, it all comes full circle. Nagelfar (talk) 19:14, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
I don't think the "autopatroller" means all that much but your edits won't have a red exclamation point next to them anymore. Ed (Edgar181) 23:19, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

OK, I think I got them all now. (Except for fixing K1/K2-KLH-BSA). Ed (Edgar181) 12:45, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

I've incorporated 'em all so far. I noticed it looks like Tamiz has a few more. (Good way to name them BTW) Nagelfar (talk) 22:17, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Besides that one by Tamiz above, I might have quite a few phenyltropanes for you, I've just about finished all the extant tables from Singh's paper for the PTs; but if I set you to work on the ones I want from those it'll just be a long standing wish-list (perhaps have it done by 2017) that you can get around to only if it kills down time for you. ;-P Nagelfar (talk) 21:53, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Category:Prototyp UR-50[edit]

Hi, I send you this message to ask if you could change the name of the Category:Prototyp UR-50. When I've created that category I've made a mistake while writing. The correct name is Prototyp UR-P50 (I've skipped a letter :D :D :D). Thank you very much.

Greetings! --Luc106 (talk) 21:41, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

No problem. I renamed the category and moved the images into the new name. Ed (Edgar181) 15:40, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Methylphenidate analogs[edit]

Actually, before attempting the cyclopean myopic and arduous task of the phenyltropane images, perhaps we can slay the smaller Goliath of the methylphenidate images that are all lambasted "badJPGs" of mine:


Anyhow thank you Ed!!! Nagelfar (talk) 21:35, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

If the given structure, from image alone, confuses you just double-check my list of MPH analogs for a context of what each one is. Thanks Ed!!!! Nagelfar (talk) 22:02, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

I'll start with the Tamiz ones above in a day or two, then get to this list, and then you can give me the big list of phenyltropanes. Ed (Edgar181) 02:14, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
You make WP enjoyable for me. I mean that, I'm at a roadblock due to only being able to access the regional library computers otherwise (no downloads, no drawing program). Nagelfar (talk) 03:28, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm glad to help. Ed (Edgar181) 15:27, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
Three benztropines pique my interest too; namely page #66, structures no. 276, 277 & 278 (mostly 'cause the last one is more of an isomer of a straight descarbmethoxy cocaine analogue proper, than a benztropine. It doesn't give the values or a table for those three, so I didn't get to them before when I was doing them). Nagelfar (talk) 18:45, 28 January 2016 (UTC)
BTW there's already an analogs section for MPH under the subheading of the MPH wiki-Commons *here*, benztropines also has it's own analog section separate from the other stimulants (all your work I transcluded) Nagelfar (talk) 22:45, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Back to the old cocaine analog list[edit]

I found a cocaine analog proper (not PT) which I overlooked from back when we went through those exhaustively: top left of page 56 compound 217 (talked about on the third paragraph of the first column of page #57(978) "Cocaine methiodide"). I made room for its image on the table already. ;-j Nagelfar (talk) 22:28, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

(while you're at it, I can't bring myself to use the same image in the table right below the style of how I have them laid out in the table for the images that don't have R-substitution images, and for consistency, I was hoping you could make a file name "alt" variant of 4-iodo-2-hydroxy with the O2 of the benzoyloxy spun up like this old bag JPG and the same for your two 1 naphthyl and 2 naphthyl as is shown at this 'bad' JPG and my other bad JPG; so it demonstrates how at a glance, alternate 2D renderings of those can make the 1-nph look like the 2-nph and vice versa.) Hope I'm not dumping *too* much on ya before you get around to what is already on your plate. ;-j thanks Ed. Nagelfar (talk) 22:36, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
#203 on pg.51 is a cocaethylene intermediate that would be nice to have also. As well as pg. 91-93 with the hapten intermediates 400, 407 & 410 Nagelfar (talk) 22:13, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
(My apologies for glutting your talk page with requests; I've been doing a lot of work overhauling three or so list pages) I just noticed that "Cocaine analog 238a" of the benzylidene derivatives of 6-alkyl-3-benzyltropanes #984 (60th page) was overlooked. Need that one too. Nagelfar (talk) 22:40, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
(when you get time, might as well make an R-image for 229, 230, 231, 232, (a-f; just the R image for each one) and we also forgot 241 somehow.) Nagelfar (talk) 22:53, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
219b looks like a methoxy but the table (and the orig. ref.) says it's an acetyl. Is this correct? (such a 2D rendering still technically an Ac?) Nagelfar (talk) 00:00, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

(BTW still expecting you to, before all this malarchy, start with the Tamiz additions from above (*ahem* I mean Carrol, thanks Ed!), at your own pace, of course) hehe. ;-j Nagelfar (talk) 20:04, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

(which I'm hoping you will get to, at least, before the 10th, because I most likely am headed into a facility for at least a month with a high chance of not having internet access there. I have an OTC medication dependence that my out patient counselor has made stipulations about me getting off of for my state subsidized housing to continued to be funded. It's a rather unprecedented addiction (loperamide, 200mg a day for over a year) of which they've never had a case of before. Wish me luck.) Nagelfar (talk) 03:46, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

I just want to let you know that I'm not ignoring you. I'm reading your messages and I should have time to get started on them soon beginning with the Tamiz compounds (I know I said that before ....) Ed (Edgar181) 16:28, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

I figured as much, knowing what a forthcoming sort you are and have been with my requests. My only apology was getting too ahead of your ability to get through what I have posited to you from earlier. Anyhow, my disappearance on the 10th is an actual fact of the matter, and this, my largest healthy outlet, being taken from me may well be the greatest hardship for me in that case. ;-p Nagelfar (talk) 21:54, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
I'll fix FlexedRingD-Threo-Methylphenidate.png and Methyl_2-morpholin-3-yl-2-phenylacetate.jpg tomorrow and probably get a bunch more too. And thanks for catching my spelling error. Ed (Edgar181) 02:20, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Of course, no worries, I'm as OCD spectrum as any of the most thorough Wikipedians are. ;-j Nagelfar (talk) 05:03, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Big list of (*extremely humbly*) requested phenyltropane SVGs[edit]

Well here's my (maybe) "by next Christmas" list. Probably a few RTIs on my page that Singh didn't have (I'll worry over that sometime further down the yellow Wik-road), and of course if you see what can be taken care of with R-substitutions images in the interim I'll also find those useful. ;-j Nagelfar (talk) 00:27, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Wrong formula for Sedaxane[edit]

Dear Edgar, your formula for Sedaxane is wrong https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sedaxane.svg The substitution pattern on the phenyl ring is ortho, not meta. Kind regards —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 2A02:168:5C59:0:C96:9DA2:DE84:7D42 (talk) 21:34, 08 February 2016 (UTC)