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Category:Prototyp UR-50[edit]

Hi, I send you this message to ask if you could change the name of the Category:Prototyp UR-50. When I've created that category I've made a mistake while writing. The correct name is Prototyp UR-P50 (I've skipped a letter :D :D :D). Thank you very much.

Greetings! --Luc106 (talk) 21:41, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

No problem. I renamed the category and moved the images into the new name. Ed (Edgar181) 15:40, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Back to the old cocaine analog list[edit]

I found a cocaine analog proper (not PT) which I overlooked from back when we went through those exhaustively: top left of page 56 compound 217 (talked about on the third paragraph of the first column of page #57(978) "Cocaine methiodide"). I made room for its image on the table already. ;-j Nagelfar (talk) 22:28, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

(while you're at it, I can't bring myself to use the same image in the table right below the style of how I have them laid out in the table for the images that don't have R-substitution images, and for consistency, I was hoping you could make a file name "alt" variant of 4-iodo-2-hydroxy with the O2 of the benzoyloxy spun up like this old bag JPG and the same for your two 1 naphthyl and 2 naphthyl as is shown at this 'bad' JPG and my other bad JPG; so it demonstrates how at a glance, alternate 2D renderings of those can make the 1-nph look like the 2-nph and vice versa.) Hope I'm not dumping *too* much on ya before you get around to what is already on your plate. ;-j thanks Ed. Nagelfar (talk) 22:36, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
#203 on pg.51 is a cocaethylene intermediate that would be nice to have also. As well as pg. 91-93 with the hapten intermediates 400, 407 & 410 Nagelfar (talk) 22:13, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
(My apologies for glutting your talk page with requests; I've been doing a lot of work overhauling three or so list pages) I just noticed that "Cocaine analog 238a" of the benzylidene derivatives of 6-alkyl-3-benzyltropanes #984 (60th page) (moved to below) was overlooked. Need that one too. Nagelfar (talk) 22:40, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
(when you get time, might as well make an R-image for 229, 230, 231, 232, (a-f; just the R image for each one) and we also forgot 241 somehow.) Nagelfar (talk) 22:53, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
219b looks like a methoxy but the table (and the orig. ref.) says it's an acetyl. Is this correct? (such a 2D rendering still technically an Ac?) Nagelfar (talk) 00:00, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

(BTW still expecting you to, before all this malarchy, start with the Tamiz additions from above (*ahem* I mean Carrol, thanks Ed!), at your own pace, of course) hehe. ;-j Nagelfar (talk) 20:04, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

(which I'm hoping you will get to, at least, before the 10th, because I most likely am headed into a facility for at least a month with a high chance of not having internet access there. I have an OTC medication dependence that my out patient counselor has made stipulations about me getting off of for my state subsidized housing to continued to be funded. It's a rather unprecedented addiction (loperamide, 200mg a day for over a year) of which they've never had a case of before. Wish me luck.) Nagelfar (talk) 03:46, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

I just want to let you know that I'm not ignoring you. I'm reading your messages and I should have time to get started on them soon beginning with the Tamiz compounds (I know I said that before ....) Ed (Edgar181) 16:28, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

I figured as much, knowing what a forthcoming sort you are and have been with my requests. My only apology was getting too ahead of your ability to get through what I have posited to you from earlier. Anyhow, my disappearance on the 10th is an actual fact of the matter, and this, my largest healthy outlet, being taken from me may well be the greatest hardship for me in that case. ;-p Nagelfar (talk) 21:54, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
I'll fix FlexedRingD-Threo-Methylphenidate.png and Methyl_2-morpholin-3-yl-2-phenylacetate.jpg tomorrow and probably get a bunch more too. And thanks for catching my spelling error. Ed (Edgar181) 02:20, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Of course, no worries, I'm as OCD spectrum as any of the most thorough Wikipedians are. ;-j Nagelfar (talk) 05:03, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, yes, past the tenth and not in treatment; won't take you in without a dirty UA, can you believe it? My out-patient is probably going to get on my case, but what the hey, eh? I wikified one above that I forgot, to make it noticeable. i.e. ""Cocaine analog 238a" of the benzylidene derivatives of 6-alkyl-3-benzyltropanes #984 (60th page)" (P.S. the naphthyls & iodo-hydroxyl weren't exactly what I meant, but I made a .png of each to replace my jpg; I wanted the ester on the 3 position flipped, so the naphthyl'd have a different orientation, but no worries; that wasn't a major issue to begin with ;-j ) Nagelfar (talk) 21:32, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Hey Ed, noticed an interesting analog variant: methyl (1S,2R,3S,5R)-3-(benzoyloxy)-6-methyl-6-azabicyclo[3.2.1]octane-2-carboxylate (near the bottom) with similar here & here, if you could help out with a single image like those of the methylated nitrogen at the six position and the bridged-eight-position nitrogen & methyl removed as per those images. Nagelfar (talk) 20:08, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Since I consider the cocaine analogues page my magnum opus I'd like to convey my hope that you heed my requests concerning it as taking precedent (the PTs are just an, albeit important, offshoot IMHO FWIW) esp. since at this point in the game these are more subtle & minute in scope to deal with and easier to tackle for you in the meantime. ;-j So perhaps, since my pngs turned out ugly, you could make updated images of those naphthyl alternates you recented did for the cocaine 188 & 187 with the benzoate ester turned around instead of the carbmethoxy ester so turned? (compare those in the table with those above it (just click here to get the gist): remake ones as depicted below in my pngs (in your wonderfully clear style as above, of course) or both esters turned would be better for the sake of contrast). Also I noticed File:Cocaine_analog_222.svg is rendered wrong: you made it p-iodo when in-fact it is not aryl substituted so-ever, and while you're in the swing of it could you give me an R image for the non-planar compound 199a & b: just a wavy line off of the isoxazole with an "R" where the carbethoxy is would be wonderful just like figure 31. Warmest appreciation and thanks for all you've done, as always Ed. Nagelfar (talk) 13:51, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the compound #222 fix Ed. Nagelfar (talk) 14:16, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Big list of (*extremely humbly*) requested phenyltropane SVGs[edit]

C'mon Ed! ;-)))) (Once I get Singh's PTs done, I'll be mostly sated.)
Phenyltropanes:

Cocaine Analogs and structural-analogous-non-phenyl:

interesting cocaine functional analog sigmaergics

      • (253 ultimate total remaining) (Keep it up Ed, I promise you'll make headway despite my additions!!!!!! =-D)

Benztropines & GBRs

Well here's my (maybe) "by next Christmas" list. Probably a few RTIs on my page that Singh didn't have (I'll worry over that sometime further down the yellow Wik-road), and of course if you see what can be taken care of with R-substitutions images in the interim I'll also find those useful. ;-j Nagelfar (talk) 00:27, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

(cf. the edit history for omitted conversation; cleaned up for practical work purposes regarding easy reference ;-j)

Hey Ed. Added your new opioids Thienorphine.svg & Methyldihydromorphine.svg to the Opioid#Tables of opioids for you. If you need/require/would-like any additions into pages of any images you do, I'm your go-to guy. (still eagerly awaiting next PT installment with bells on. ;-P ) Nagelfar (talk) 22:33, 25 May 2016 (UTC) (talk) 20:53, 26 May 2016 (UTC) Biotin side-chains 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 . . . I uploaded versions myself, still, they don't have your svg magic touch ;-p I was hoping if these ever get to the priority list you could do a box multi-image like the thiophenes you did for me consisting of a single svg of the following: File:Biotin_sidechain_bi-cyclopentane_N-methyl_phenyltropane.png, File:Biotin_sidechain_bi-cyclopentane_phenyltropane.png, File:Biotin_sidechain_carbethoxy_N-methyl_phenyltropane.png, File:Biotin_sidechain_long_fourteen_methylene_unit_phenyltropane.png, File:Biotin_sidechain_long_ten_methylene_unit_phenyltropane.png, File:Biotin_sidechain_long_twelve_methylene_unit_phenyltropane.png, File:Biotin_sidechain_N-acyl_di-N-methyl_phenyltropane.png, File:Biotin_sidechain_parachloro_N-methyl_phenyltropane.png, File:Biotin_sidechain_parachloro_phenyltropane.png, File:Biotin_sidechain_paramethyl_N-methyl_phenyltropane.png, File:Biotin_sidechain_paramethyl_phenyltropane.png, File:Biotin_sidechain_phenylethyl_bi-cyclopentane_phenyltropane.png, File:Biotin_sidechain_phenylethyl_parachloro_phenyltropane.png, File:Biotin_sidechain_phenylethyl_phenyltropane.png

These were in a patent with phenyltropanes, some kinda piperazine homologue with a distal nitrogen? C2 penta bi-benzene, C2 proximal bi-benzene, C2 quadra benzene 1, C2 quadra benzene 2, Strange sulfur in cyclohexane conformation? Nagelfar (talk) 23:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

An R-substitution image for UMB38 and chloro-substituted analogues in regard to their closeness to this and the GBR analogs would be appreciated too. Nagelfar (talk) 22:06, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

@Nagelfar: I've done a few more. I'll try to get to even more this evening. If you want "prioritize" any set, please feel free to just move them up the list and I'll just continue to work down from the top. Ed (Edgar181) 21:45, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Awesome. I'll leave them as is for now, the Tamagnan ones pique my interest, but I really want the Singh images to get seen to completion. ;-j thanks as always Ed. Nagelfar (talk) 02:46, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Eh, those Tamagnan are sticking out too much like a sore thumb, gotta get 'em outta the way or they'll drive me crazy. ;-P Nagelfar (talk) 19:44, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Wrong formula for Sedaxane[edit]

Dear Edgar, your formula for Sedaxane is wrong https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sedaxane.svg The substitution pattern on the phenyl ring is ortho, not meta. Kind regards —Preceding unsigned comment was added by 2A02:168:5C59:0:C96:9DA2:DE84:7D42 (talk) 21:34, 08 February 2016 (UTC)

It looks like User:Kopiersperre has already fixed it. Thanks for catching the error and reporting it. Ed (Edgar181) 17:38, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Hey you two, I noticed that entry was only in the German language WP; did my best to start the English WP page for it. Regards, Nagelfar (talk) 10:39, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Looks good. Thanks for creating it. Ed (Edgar181) 23:59, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
Wouldn't the chembox be more appropriate than the drugbox? --Leyo 17:41, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I think so. I have now changed it. Ed (Edgar181) 18:20, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Not-corrected image[edit]

You closed Commons:Deletion requests/File:Benzofuran.jpg noting that "creator has uploaded a corrected version at File:Benzofuran.png". PNG is better than JPG (and better than an SVG container around a JPG), but the chemical mistake is actually still present under the last reaction arrow. DMacks (talk) 15:24, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

I'd recommend placing {{Disputed chem}}. The user is likely to upload a corrected version. He has corrected the error at other locations and has probably just missed this one. --Leyo 17:32, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
DMacks, you're right I didn't notice there was one that wasn't fixed. If the uploader doesn't fix it soon, as Leyo suggests, I will. Ed (Edgar181) 18:20, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Hey Ed, question on where to pose this request where it is likely to get acknowledged...[edit]

Wikipedia:Template talk:Collapsible list#Collapsing multiple objects simultaneously that are in different places of the page/article.

I wrote: "Is it possible to have a "show" button that will un-collapse, for instance, bundled images that are in different places on an article (in a table, specifically)? My specific issue is that my structure images in my tables spread out the table quite a bit, and if there were a single point at which they could all get bundled, so the table's values could be referenced more easily, it'd be a wonder. (EDIT: let me know if I am explaining myself clearly on what it is I suggest, and whether or not it can be utilized with the extant template wiki-codes in current use or if the idea is viable in a new template of some kind)" see what I am trying to get implemented? Nagelfar (talk) 16:31, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

I understand what you are asking, but I don't know of any way to do that. I would suggest asking either at w:en:Wikipedia:Help desk where general questions about editing Wikipedia can be posed, or at w:en:Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) where editors with more techinical experience are most likely to see it. Ed (Edgar181) 14:28, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

File:Beta-cyclodextrin3D.png[edit]

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Cjp24 (talk) 04:50, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Interesting opioid Compounds[edit]

PTI-609, the talk section has a link to the full article. Can you find the structure of it Ed? apparently it binds to a novel opioid domain that doesn't accrue opioid tolerance. Nagelfar (talk) 01:30, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Indeed it looks like an interesting compound, but as far as I can tell, the chemical structure of PTI-609 has not yet been publicly disclosed. It is still very early in the clinical study process. Ed (Edgar181) 15:15, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I was thinking as much myself. Nagelfar (talk) 21:16, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Check this one Ed: FAUC50, covalent binding monoamine template. Dopamine given as example; irreversible dopamine agonist. Nagelfar (talk) 22:41, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Ojanatirtho (talk · contribs)[edit]

Hi, Edgar. Do you think, that uploads of Ojanatirtho are useful? Probably Commons has them all in .svg. Taivo (talk) 16:05, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

No I don't think any of them are useful. There are existing higher quality equivalents for each of them. I marked most with {{low quality chem}}, renamed some that had meaningless names, and nominated one for deletion. They could probably all be deleted. Ed (Edgar181) 14:55, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Need help with some senseless reverts.[edit]

Hey Ed, user DMacks has reverted two separate, considerate, edits on my part at metaphit, the second time threatening to "block" after only putting a 'see also' to Fourphit, which is simply the para variant of metaphit, both are isothiocyanates of PCP, can you vouch for me here that a "see also" in such an instance is *not* "original research" based on molecular structural grounds, not to mention the shared domain of research had for both compounds? Thanks Nagelfar (talk) 22:34, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Even found this to prove my meager 'see also' is not OR: "Metaphit (an isomer of Fourphit containing the isothiocyanate moiety at the meta position of the aromatic ring)" Nagelfar (talk) 23:05, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
I have interacted on Wikipedia with DMacks many times and have always found him to be completely reasonable (as well as a very knowledgeable chemist). In this case, I don't see any problems with linking the two articles to each other as you have done. I'll leave him a note on his talk page. Ed (Edgar181) 12:00, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Many thanks on the arbitration in this Ed, I figured you'd have had interaction with him as he's well established and it was likely you had a good rapport. Somewhere (I can't remember when) I must have run afoul of him (he said "want to get banned *Again*"; never noticed I was blocked from any page if I was; obviously I wasn't so worried about controlling the content that I went back to see) perhaps a mistaken identity case? I admit there was one time that I wasn't acclimated to all the WP rules (back in the first few years of WP) but those 'learning' edits weren't ever chemistry related. Anyhow, I explained myself on his page for the original edit that he may have found off putting and perhaps lent to his not assuming good (or apt) faith in the matter of rightly editing the page. My first edit was a bit unconventional, but my second wasn't a blatant defiance of his revert but an honest attempt at compromise. Glad to know I can come to you with trivial matters too. ;-j Nagelfar (talk) 19:21, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
As indicated in the edit summary for this edit, I think he mistakenly confused you with someone else. Ed (Edgar181) 17:49, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Well that's good to know. Nagelfar (talk) 16:47, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Give a man a fish... VS. Teach a man to fish...[edit]

Ed, if you ever discover an online (needn't be downloaded 'cause there's no downloads @ public library; a prog. a la [1]) *.svg image program that (easily < automatically) adheres to MoS rules for molecular images please pass it along to me (or any sufficient online way, what steps I need to take, to get it to adhere and have it optimally rendered in SVG; a screen capture program in SVG or an online utility that cleanly & optimally converts from *.png to *.svg if it doesn't save as). Not asking for a search but if one gets noticed from your end, I'd make *a lot* of use of it. ;-j Nagelfar (talk) 20:23, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't know of any online resources that can do that. I use Marvin Sketch to draw chemical structures and save them .svg format. It's not perfect - there are times when it misplaces text labels when saved, for example. If I ever come across something like what you're looking for, I'll definitely let you know. Ed (Edgar181) 17:47, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Strange the online 'Marvin Beans' can't seem to have its settings made to emulate Marvin Sketch better: it draws the tropane fundamentally different. Nagelfar (talk) 19:37, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Novel alkaloids by the boatload[edit]

New Caledonia: A ' Hot Spot' for Valuable Chemodiversity: DOI: 10.1002/cbdv.201400389

^I notice you seem to focus on images of novel compounds yet elucidated upon, and this above paper seems to have them in droves! Enjoy! Nagelfar (talk) 16:19, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

That's a nice review. Lots of interesting compounds discussed. Ed (Edgar181) 21:48, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Oreobeiline is closer to morphine than the morphinan skeleton. Interesting. Nagelfar (talk) 20:00, 16 July 2016 (UTC)