User talk:Evian Pepper

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Really? That suprises me, i uploaded the new version because i was embarrassed about how poor the original looked. I think the new version is much better quality. Personal preference i suppose, both files still exist so there is nothing to stop people who prefer the old cartoony version using it. --Greatestrowerever (talk) 15:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


Hey Evian, I sorry, but I'm not too thrilled about that enhancing colors bussiness of yours. Autocolors does not necessarily enhance the colors, in particular it does not do a better job than a good photographer. Realistic color reproduction should be the top goal. Also recompressing JPG images does not help the quality. --Dschwen (talk) 03:24, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Most of the time it does a better job. When it doesn't do a better job or there's very little improvement I won't bother uploading the "enhanced" version. It's just that a lot of them are washed out. EvP (talk) 19:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Listen, I'm just doing damage control here. Some of your automated adjustments are detrimental to the images. And I won't hesitate to revert these. That goes especially for pictures I contributed. You were not there when I took them, you have no idea how the colors are supposed to look. Our goal here is not to make pictures look sexy, but to make them look realistic. After all we are illustrating an encyclopedia here. I go great lengths, getting professional equipment, carefully setting the right white balance, to ensure accurate color reproduction. Autocolors is a primitive tool, which has no knowledge of the actual lighting and color situation. It can not magically enhance pictures, as far as I consider enhancement. Don't take this personal please. But you should not mess with images that already went through COM:QI review. I cannot stop you from uploading edits, but do not upload over existing pictures. That should only be done by original uploaders. --Dschwen (talk) 01:04, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I try to make them look as they would look if you were there. Some of them have a distinctave greyishness about them. I don't try to make them look sexy — just to make them look realistic. You can't seriously be telling me that those black and white photos should have a sepia tone, because it makes them look more realistic? EvP (talk) 12:34, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Did you see me complaining about the sepia removal? That is not the issue here. The issue is precisely that you do not know how to make them look as they would look if you were there because you were not there. Autocolors does not make them look realistic. --Dschwen (talk) 18:20, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I have to agree with Dschwen from the few images I have seen that you have "enhanced". Take, for example, the John McCain image you "enhanced". You made the background oversaturated and made his hair have a green tint, and made his skin tone look sickly. I'm concerned that you don't have a properly calibrated monitor. Additionally, on other images, you seem to boost the saturation level to unnatural degrees. Using an automated process could account for this. The goal of the commons is to create encyclopedic, free images. We aren't trying look like a magazine or advertisement. Many images in the popular media have been "enhanced" and overly saturated. However, doing this to our images is not necessary. It's a form of trick photography, like smart blurring the blemishes on a model's face, or making a model look bustier. Those techniques have their place in popular media, but, generally speaking, not here at the commons. If you need help learning about color calibration, monitor calibration, or using photoshop, I can try to help, or direct you to resources. Hope this helps. Again, I appreciate that you want to help out, and I'm just trying to direct you towards more productive ways to contribute (for the most part, the enhancement of colors have actually lowered the quality of many of those images). Thanks.-Andrew c (talk) 22:02, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


Well it was a wet day (for you too I guess) & I was browsing some regional categories & found some "familiar" things! Just thought I'd say "hi". --Herby talk thyme 14:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh hai. I took those pictures on 29 April. I was in Plymouth all morning during the heaviest rain, but it stopped in the afternoon. That Category:Buildings in Plymouth was a good idea; wish I'd though of that. EvP (talk) 15:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Only did what I usually do - cheat :). I was working on Bristol the other day so just copied the ideas. Not sure about Plymouth Docks tho - after I created it I wondered if it should have been Millbay Docks? Could always have one as a redirect I guess.
I do find that folk tend to dump stuff in the higher level cats (city, county, country etc) rather than finding a better cat. Just makes the higher level cat too full to be very useful IMO. Cheers --Herby talk thyme 16:11, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking about asking you over the "Plymouth Docks" thing. I think that was the name of Millbay Docks back in the days when it was thriving there. There's not many images of Millbay Docks, so I think it would be better to have images of all the different docks across Plymouth and change the category to "Docks in Plymouth". If you are in agreement, I'll change the category name. EvP (talk) 16:15, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Meh - not sure. Bristol & Liverpool are both just Docks not docks of. Now that may just be that they are both wrong....? I do hate the naming convention stuff tho I understand it makes it much easier for folk to find/understand.--Herby talk thyme 16:21, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
In 1824 Plymouth Dock was renamed Devonport. It would also be easier to find the category with the Plymouth category, as its first letter would be "D" for "Docks". EvP (talk) 16:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
H'ok. Hows about a cat Category:Devonport as a sub of Plymouth anyway which would seem sensible & then take Docks off that? (btw - can always change the alpha sort on a cat via |) --Herby talk thyme 16:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Devonport is the name of an area (once a town) in Plymouth, so it would have to be Category:HMNB Devonport. I'd support that idea. I don't know what you mean when you say to take Docks off that. EvP (talk) 16:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok - what I was wondering was having Devonport as a category under Plymouth (a number of other UK cities have places that once were towns in their own right as sub categories). Then you can have Category:HMNB Devonport as a sub of Devonport. Kinda think that the Docks should be quite a high category within Plymouth tho. Maybe look at Bristol or Liverpool for examples? --Herby talk thyme 16:43, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I think that the town and the naval base are of equal importance, so have Category:HMNB Devonport and Category:Devonport as subs of Plymouth. Although HMNB Devonport would be the only sub-category of Devonport, so I'd rather have a link within the category's decription than have it as a sub-category and vice versa for the category of HMNB Devonport. EvP (talk) 16:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't think I can argue with the logic there. Let me know if there is anything to delete. BTW some cities are not well organised - I was just looking at Newcastle, some "interesting" dupe cats/interlinking there! Cheers --Herby talk thyme 17:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm gonna take a break for now. I will do the categorisation later today. Thanks. EvP (talk) 17:09, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
✓ Done, see Category:HMNB Devonport and Category:Devonport. EvP (talk) 18:50, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Nice work to me. BTW - not too much of the newbie bit - it is me that you are talking too :) In passing I'm not that keen on this one but I'm not sure what to do with it. Cheers --Herby talk thyme 19:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Looks like anon wanted everybody to see, so used Commons for it. As it's not got much to do with Plymouth, I'm hoping I will find a sub category of Plymouth to put it in. As it happens, I've just started work on religion in Plymouth, which will have Category:Churches in Plymouth and probably "other religious places" as sub categories. That would be a good place to dump the category(s) of anon's pictures. Not sure why it's then divided into two categories though. EvP (talk) 19:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Religion stuff - fine. Protest stuff - well - being creative (& a little bit devious:))... The UK has Category:Events in the United Kingdom and Devon is now part of Category:South West England so maybe there should be an "Events in South West England" which those cats should be in rather than Plymouth? There certainly should only be 1 cat as far as I can see. Cheers --Herby talk thyme 13:03, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Any chance of changing it to the United Kingdom? There aren't any categories for Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland. In terms of politics, which is how many protests are done, England doesn't have its own government. I've just spotted Category:Edinburgh, Scotland "Anonymous" anti-Scientology protests. EvP (talk) 13:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
The odd thing is I still don't see why the hell there are actually three categories - all media could easily be in Category:Plymouth, England "Anonymous" anti-Scientology protests rather than the sub cats.
Agreeing with the England doesn't have its own government or should that be "any" government! Most things in the main UK cat are split to sub cats & then xxx in England, Wales, Scotland. Some of the most idiotic time wasting (IMO) goes on with "regional", in the broadest sense, arguments. I approach it from a geography background/leaning and don't worry too much about it. I know where Devon is & what it's attached too :) --Herby talk thyme 13:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Would you support "renaming" the category to United Kingdom? As there's Category:Demonstrations by country, which England isn't and there's Category:Events in the United Kingdom in which all the other sub categories are United Kingdom. EvP (talk) 13:41, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Nope - told you - geographically they are in England & I do not care beyond that nor do I get into those arguments. If you find folk who want to - fine - but it doesn't bother me enough I'm afraid. There is plenty to do that does not require any arguments! Cheers --Herby talk thyme 13:47, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

With some regrets[edit]

In practice I have no real need to tell you why you are blocked, you know. I am sad however as I did hope that you would settle down and remain solely a positive contributor to the project. You are more than capable of being that, however equally you have a tendency to go off the rails.

For others reading this, this is a puppet account of the indef blocked user Bsrboy, who also socked here as user:Slave and user:Tainted Sausage. He has caused considerable cross project disruption imitating Grawp. He has been highly disruptive on en wp with multiple blocks (some background is here). Yesterday he & his friends were highly disruptive on en wp - my note here gives some ideas. Those of a suspicious nature will look at the timing of these reverts with more than a little wonder. While these may not have been this user directly there is little doubt in some off wiki discussion that this user was involved in some way (this user is a prime target on en wp). Whatever else he has used this account (& the others) to evade an indefinite block here. --Herby talk thyme 14:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

They're not my friends, nor are they zombie proxies, so temporary blocks are appropriate. You can do a WHOIS report and that should be sufficient proof. Do you mean to tell me that you knew or had some suspitions that I was bsrboy from the begining? EvP (talk) 15:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Please credit me with some sense, I have been a cross wiki CU for quite a long time now, your range is known & checked. I watched Tainted Sausage (project CUs were notified) closely then saw this account. I hoped you would get the hint when I blocked Tainted Sausage but sadly not. --Herby talk thyme 15:55, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
No, you're right, I have been stupid. Why the hell did I create this account when I had an unblocked account. I guess I forgot about that account. By the way... How often do you check user this IP range? EvP (talk) 16:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
The odd thing about this is I actually like you & think that you are capable & bright! Hence leaving the account open until now.
I got caught doing something I shouldn't have some years ago because I always did it the same way - I've never been predictable since. --Herby talk thyme 16:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
For the record, I didn't use this account perfectly. I vandalised this image and you might want to revert the edit "Minor modifications", as I am unable to. EvP (talk) 16:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

OK - quick glance I can't see the issue with that image?

I kinda understand gaming the system & en is a weird place but Commons (I like to think) is a good place to be. What gives with trying to f**k it up? You are bright, you are capable of good work. Seems a pity to me. Answer not needed & I'm not "social services":) --Herby talk thyme 16:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Which question doesn't need to be answered — the first or second? EvP (talk) 17:04, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Well the first (what is wrong with the image) would be good. The second - "piss off" is valid! --Herby talk thyme 17:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I "photoshopped" some of the people in it. EvP (talk) 17:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Lol, they can't stop me from initiating bots. EvP (talk) 00:38, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

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