User talk:Finnrind/2009-1

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To bad[edit]

Hi Finnrind,

I just saw your request on Meta for removal of your access, I'm sorry to see you leave you have done great work on Commons and I really hope you will return as administrator on Commons when you have more time.

All the best, Huib talk 12:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

My account[edit]

Hi, can you please flag my account as OK or whatever it is you do as I have to keep typing in silly codes and it is very off putting...Perry Rimmer (talk) 12:52, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Left a request here and replied to PR on his talk. Finn Rindahl (talk) 13:19, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

OK thanks for your help.Perry Rimmer (talk) 13:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC) You could do me a favour actually, can you fix the correct source pictire links for Category:Boverton I've done the first one but I have to keep typing in the codes again! I just found them easier to upload with a copy and paste.Perry Rimmer (talk) 13:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

That is a very impractical way to do it, means I have to search geograph to identify every one of those images (I'll look into it though for those you have uploaded). If you're uploading more before someone gets around to "confirm" your account, just add the proper links like (without the http and the brackets), and I'll trace your steps and activate the links. Finn Rindahl (talk) 13:44, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry I'll sort it now, just please get them to stio me having to type in silly childish codes...~~

That should be fixed now. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 14:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Links for the first six as sorted in the category are fixed btw, leaving the rest up to you then. Finn Rindahl (talk) 14:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

OK thanks. Once that;'s done I have 3 images of en:Aberthin I want to upload.Perry Rimmer (talk) 14:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


Hei kan du opplyse meg om hvorfor dette bilde ble slettet, hvordan noen ble oppmerksom på det osv. ? --Peter Kaino Jensen (talk) 21:08, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Vel, det ble slettet som følge av Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Henning_Olsen_-_Krone-is_-_P1.jpg. Hvordan Pieter Kuiper oppdaget dette bildet må du nesten spørre ham om (han snakker svensk). Finn Rindahl (talk) 21:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Se "File:Henning_Olsen_-_Krone-is_-_P2.jpg" så sjønner du hva jeg skulle fram til. Tenkte det kunne ha noe med at jeg hadde en åpnet is fremfor innpakningen på "File:Henning_Olsen_-_Krone-is_-_P1.jpg" noe som skapet kontrast mellom hva pakkningen innholdt og hva pakken sier pakker inneholder... --Peter Kaino Jensen (talk) 21:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

+Blir blidene som slettes lagt et sted utenfor offentligheten, til fremtiden, tenker på at bilder jeg laster opp på commons ikke altid har en backup... --Peter Kaino Jensen (talk) 21:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Slettes ikke sikker på at jeg skjønner hva du spør om, men bilder som blir slettet på Commons er tilgjengelige for administratorer og kan gjenopprettes når som helst. Finn Rindahl (talk) 01:29, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Vis du ser på forskjellen på bildene over og leser det jeg skrev en gang til... --Peter Kaino Jensen (talk) 18:27, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Ok, nå skjønner jeg - begge bildene skulle vært slettet (og nå har det andre også blitt det), ren forglemmelse av administratoren slettet det første. Finn Rindahl (talk) 18:57, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Italian copyrigh laws[edit]

I added this statement: *Symbol keep vote.svg Keep The Italian law hinted at only refers to works of art by sculptors, painters and architects who are living or who have not been dead for at least 70 years. This is not the case of a 3,000 years old obelisk! The fact that "there is no freedom of panorama" only refers to the fact that some countries, such as Germany or the UK, allow representation of such works in case they are "permanently" on public display, e.g. along a road or in the middle of a square. International copyright laws allow national laws to grant such an exception on a country by country base. Italy chose not to grant it. However, when the work of art in public display was created by someone who died more than 70 years ago, then it is in the public domain and can be freely reproduced. Our concern here should rather go to the "Legge Urbani sui Beni culturali", which gives the State (better, the "Sovraintendenze ai Beni culturali") monopoly over reproduction of works of art in the Public Domain which are owned by the State (actually, this is but a favour Prime minister and tycoon Silvio Berlusconi made his own publishing house, Electa, which by chance publishes now all the catalogues of museums, but this is another matter). It is very doubtuful that such a national law can really overcame international copyright laws, but since this law is valid and enforceable in the Italian territory it is still dangerous for an Italian wikipedian to break it, since the Italian state might, under this law, sue HIM/HER directly. But this is a completely different kind of problem. Best wishes. --User:G.dallorto (talk) 10:08, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Happy Holidays![edit]

Thank you, Finnrind, for your comment It was really kind of you.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes - me too :). Happy holidays and all good wishes for 2010 --Herby talk thyme 10:19, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Better -

Must have been a cold night.jpg

regards --Herby talk thyme 13:52, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Dferg is wishing you Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Should the new year bring you lots of good things and healht. Best regars, — Dferg (disputatio) 14:11, 22 December 2009 (UTC)


Trenger vi denne artikkelen Ishavskatedralen jeg anser den som unødvendig når vi har Category:Ishavskatedralen --Peter Kaino Jensen (talk) 16:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Tja, vi trenger den strengt tatt ikke, men det er heller ikke noe problematisk i å beholde den. Noen liker å bruke gallerier til å systematisere på en annen måte en vi kan i kategorier, selv bruker jeg bare kategorier normalt. Finn Rindahl (talk) 10:45, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Bilder fra Ruter[edit]

Hei, du slettet Image:T2000_maj.jpg med referanse til Hadde de samme betingelser da som nå på Se også God jul! ZorroIII (talk) 21:59, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Om referansen var den samme husker jeg ikke, men "fri bruk" forstås normalt ikke som like omfattende som cc-by. Kommenterte ellers på nowiki. God Jul selv :) Finn Rindahl (talk) 10:34, 29 December 2009 (UTC)


Hei dette er dette bilde lovlig? --Peter Kaino Jensen (talk) 18:32, 29 January 2010 (UTC) File:Crème fraîche.jpg

Det er jeg ikke sikker på (kommer an på hvor sentral en vurderer logo etc er i bildet), det er uansett ikke et så graverende brudd at jeg tar meg bryet med å slettenominere det. Beklager veldig sein respons... Finn Rindahl (talk) 15:41, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


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Bkell (talk) 02:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Peter Kuiper[edit]

Yeah, it's one of those situations where, out of context, it wouldn't be an issue, but he's on his final warning already, has shown himself ready to jump around users - ShakataGaNai warns him, and suddenly he's attacking her stuff, and making deletion comments about how horrible it was her stuff was kept.

I think this is pretty obviously him trying to go a bit more subtle. See COM:AN/UP for more. He has about four screens full of issues related to him there. Adam Cuerden (talk) 20:52, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

his. attacking his stuff. Just sayin... --ShakataGaNai ^_^ 21:06, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Nice bike SNG... Good luck with sorting this out, I'm glad I'm not an admin around here right now. It might be a good idea if those of you who are admins communicate a bit with each other before unblocking and reblocking though. Just sayin... Finn Rindahl (talk) 21:44, 6 April 2010 (UTC)


Think that's a bit more structured. Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:42, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough... Finn Rindahl (talk) 08:57, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for trying[edit]


I'm happy that you spend a lot of time to try to follow the "dispute" and for trying to find a solution.

As you noticed it is really hard to make everyone happy here. I have failed and finally I used "unfair" arguments desperately trying to make others see that not all "looking for bad edits" is wrong. Perhaps it worked and perhaps other just thought like you that it was kind of stupid. Anyway hopefully it seems that it did not turn into a big issue since debate already turned in another direction.

Just like you "I rest my case" (or at least I will try). If someone says "MGA73 what do you think?" I will ofcourse answer. I doubt I can add anything that I have not said allready. Only one thing remains left: We have at least one admin that hunt down a lot of copyvios and sometimes get some angry notes from the users that uploaded it. I would like that admin to give an opinion but I would hate to drag someone into this dispute unless they do it on their own.

Anyway tnx again and I hope you are not to disappointed :-) --MGA73 (talk) 09:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for those kind words Michael. I felt I had to try something, since Pieter in all fairness (Like Herby, I'm not really a member of his "fanclub") does a lot of very good work here, and I had the feeling that this had been viewed mostly from one side. But as long as PK doesn't seem to acknowledge even the slightest part of the blame for this situation, I can't find anything to "work with" in order to fins a compromise allowing him to edit here again. If this pattern reappears after the one month block expires, I'm afraid indef. will be the next step - and that would really be a shame. Regarding what has been pointed out about Cirts old uploads, I do hope Cirt will look carefully through them, and also that someone who is not party in this will help them to check.
Anyway, I didn't really dig deep into this (haven't read those DR's or the links to enwiki), not am I going to. I'm of to do some really useful stuff, like writing articles about 12th century Irish bishops. All the best, Finn Rindahl (talk) 10:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Blocked or unblocked :-D Thank you for this edit [1]. --MGA73 (talk) 20:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

File:IsleOfMan SheadingsAndParishes-fr.svg[edit]

Most useful map, now also in Norwegian as you have noticed. Thanks for making it. There seem to be something wrong with the original however, most notably the word Collectivités that doesn't render properly (overlapping letters in my browser, at all thumbsizes), but also the word "Sheading" exceeds the labelframe here. I can't see any of these problems with the translated versions. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 13:13, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

✓ Done. Thanks for the help to improve this map. Sémhur (talk) 12:19, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
I noticed you seemed to fix the problem by changing fonts; are there any particular fonts thta render better than other within mediawiki, and if so: are there any overview of what should be used (and what not)? I'm not very experienced with svg, and I notice quite often that text-elements don't render the way I expected them to at different thumb-sizes. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 10:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
MediaWiki run now on Linux, so the old Microsoft fonts, like Arial or Times New Roman are not recognized anymore. You can read en:Wikipedia:SVG_Help#Font_issues and meta:SVG_fonts, but I recommend that to you :
  • Arial => Nimbus Sans L or DejaVu Sans Condensed
  • Times New Roman => DejaVu Serif Condensed
Sémhur (talk) 11:37, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Since Arial and TNR is the fonts I've mainly been using, that explains a lot. Thanks for your help. Finn Rindahl (talk) 12:08, 15 April 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for your message. Indeed I make a typing error. I corrected it. Thanks again. --TwoWings * to talk or not to talk... 11:22, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


I think you can guess from the heading what my issue is. -mattbuck (Talk) 20:16, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Humm, maybe I should check and see if Wikiversity has a tutorial on him. -mattbuck (Talk) 20:16, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Be careful if you do, I've heard even Jimbo have been thought some rather tough lessons over there recently...Finn Rindahl (talk) 20:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

To add, since you've clearly stated you don't want that discussion on your talk prolonged, I'm not even going to add anymore of Rockets awesome templates Roche.svg... Finn Rindahl (talk) 20:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh that one was awesome, from only a few weeks after I became an admin. Ahh memories. Well, I'd prefer it not prolonged, I want to make him do something public with the issue. It's easy to scream at someone and ignore what they say in private, but in public people call you out. -mattbuck (Talk) 20:36, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Humm, so they're working together now. Why does that not surprise me? Blocked for 24h btw. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Double humm, they? Thanks anyway, Finn Rindahl (talk) 22:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Command your dog and bark yourself[edit]

If you can't even tell why I may not mention sources outside, like you better shut up. Erik Warmelink (talk) 22:02, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I haven't mentioned sources outside at all, I have simply told you not to add comments like this. The link was the least problem with your edit. Finn Rindahl (talk) 22:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
But if it isn't about, what is the problem? Erik Warmelink (talk) 13:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
The problem is that your comment is pure&simple trolling - making an unfounded allegation against Tiptoety and also those of us who expressed our opinion that he should retain his OS rights for socking. Note that Tiptoety has asked you to redact that statement. Finn Rindahl (talk) 13:44, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Stating that the emperor has no clothes, isn't trolling. Tiptoety used oversight to hide controversial deletions from view. Durova and the other members of the mailing list shouldn't whine, Durova never retracted her allegation against all those users who have watched the edits of others before making their first contribution, who give an edit summary for their contributions, who preview their edits. Erik Warmelink (talk) 12:26, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Templated message[edit]

Don't talk to me like I'm an idiot.[2] A user with a long block log, including a recent indefinite block for disruption has been harassing me and stirring up needless trouble and bureaucratic process. Please don't enable that. I've been on Wikipedia for five years with 25,000+ edits. I know very well what civility means. The way he and you have treated me definitely is not civil. Don't expect flowers in return when you shovel manure on somebody. Jehochman (talk) 13:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I talked you like you were a new user (67 edits to Commons when I posted) who had left uncivil edit summaries while removing attempts from other users at engaging in discussion and standard notifications about deletion requests. I see now that you're a sysop at Wikipedia in English with close to 30 K edits. That makes me rather more disappointed in your behaviour - but it if it continues and have to issue a level 2 warning I will do so without using a template. Best regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 13:33, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I think you are ignoring the very nasty thing that was done to provoke me, which you are further enabling. Do not post to my talk page again. I do not want to hear from you ever again. Got it? That's a simple request that you can easily comply with. Jehochman (talk) 13:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
(ec) Let's consider that two of us. I agree completely with Finn. Interactions leave quite a bit to be desired. Posting here as I see you removed my comment on your talk page Jehochman. --Herby talk thyme 13:35, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
The both of you are making the mistake that civil words can make uncivil actions acceptable. They cannot. What exactly is civil about filing a retaliatory deletion request such as Commons:Deletion requests/File:Gamma ray burst.jpg? That's the lede image on a featured article. The nominator is mad at me because I nominated a few out of scope porn images for deletion. Do you condone that sort of retaliatory deletion request against a piece of content that has been viewed millions of times? Jehochman (talk) 13:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I am not condoning any actions by people other than Finn who is a very experienced cross wiki worker who I trust completely. You have issues with others here - fine. Kindly do not take out your anger on people trying to do their jobs. I too would have expected better from someone of your experience. --Herby talk thyme 13:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
My upset stems from the fact that people seem to be concerned about the choice of my wording in an edit summary, but are oblivious to the greater problems. When somebody is upset, templating them rarely helps. It is better practice to say something like, "I notice that you are getting upset. Why is that?" This will often lead to rational dialog and facts that you can use to help resolve the problem, rather than escalating and enlarging the dispute. Jehochman (talk) 13:48, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
(ec)Uncivil actions are not acceptable, and if there has been a retaliatory DR from PK (who has been accused of just that previously) that is something that IMO should be reported to COM:AN/U. But as you are no doubt aware, uncivil actions does not make uncivil words acceptable. Finn Rindahl (talk) 13:52, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
For sure. There are best practices for dealing with incivility. I am not inclined to get PK blocked over this. I'd rather that he come to an understanding and refrain from this sort of thing hereafter. Jehochman (talk) 14:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Jehochman, you do not seem to be very cognisant of the issues we face at commons. We will usually not delete a properly licenced image which is used on another project, but we will not keep an improperly licenced image just because it is used elsewhere. We honestly don't care if the image is used in 10,000 featured articles - if it appears to be a copyright violation, we will delete it. That's our job - to provide a repository of images which are free for everyone to use. We don't accept images which are not free, and if someone suspects that an image might not be free then it is perfectly acceptable to start a deletion request. Please stop making a mountain out of a molehill. -mattbuck (Talk) 14:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
But it was not a copyright violation at all, by any reasonable measure. The NSF webmaster wrote back to us that all images credited to NSF are freely available for use. Having the wrong copyright template does not equate to ZOMG Copyright Violation!!!!11! Jehochman (talk) 14:39, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Unless PK had access to that email before the DR was made, it's a perfectly legitimate issue. -mattbuck (Talk) 14:44, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
He did have access. All he needed to do was express his concern to me, and I would have forwarded a copy to him. There is such a thing as assuming good faith, rather than accusing somebody of violating intellectual property rights (something I am very sensitive about). Jehochman (talk) 18:30, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

@ Jehochman: A couple of points about Commons, not meaning to sound patronising but some stuff are rather different here than at enwiki (and other one-laguage-content-projects).

  • Templates: Commons is probably the only Wikimedia projects where it could have made sense to have {{Don't template the regulars}} as more than a a joke. Since templates have embedded autotranstations, that's the most efficient form for user with different native tongues to give messages to important messages to each other without being misunderstood. That said, had I recognised your username as belonging to a sysop at enwiki I woudln't have "templated" you.
  • violating intellectual property rights - in my experience, most of the files that are deleted (through regular DRs anyway) at Commons as Copyright violations are uploaded in good faith, by users who was not aware that the file they uploaded was copyrighted. Even experienced users make mistakes in this, and it's not rare that even long time admins here gets some of their uploads nominated for deletion. I see that Herby and AFBorchert has looked into this particular DR of your upload, and also had a word with Pieter Kuiper about it. I hope that matter is settled satisfyingly for all.

As I'm non-grata on your talk page I'm leaving the message here. Regards, Finn Rindahl (talk) 18:54, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

    • You're welcome at my talk page. The matter has been cleared up to my satisfaction. Jehochman (talk) 03:26, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I did see it but[edit]

Some folk mind what is around and some don't. Not worth blocking as the IPs are temporary. I'm off for a bit now so try and behave...:) --Herby talk thyme 18:14, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't mid either, personally - and the message was nice enough. I just think we need to stick by a decision once it is made, thus I'll keep reverting edits from banned user. If there's something that user needs to tell me, he could always use a talk page at a project where he isn't banned. Behave?? Me?!? Not very likely, thought you knew me better than that... Finn Rindahl (talk) 18:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Ottava Rima[edit]

Hi. You have participated in the long debate about Ottava Rima. You may want to vote in the final poll about his block. I might have summarized your expressed opinion already, if so please check that it is correct! Only one vote (Symbol support vote.svg Support, Symbol oppose vote.svg Oppose or Symbol neutral vote.svg Neutral), with a block length in case of support. Nothing more in this subsection! Thanks. --Eusebius (talk) 11:57, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Hm, have I really ;)? Will take a look later. Finn Rindahl (talk) 12:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
You don't need to if you don't want to. I didn't make any assumption about your vote, you're not listed yet. --Eusebius (talk) 12:06, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
No problem - I also remembered what edit I had made (just now) under that heading. I will try to make up my mind about how to !vote (haven't yet) and do so later... Finn Rindahl (talk) 12:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)