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Thanks of manually replacing hundreds of images across all the Wikiprojects (so I didn't have to), and for your tireless contribution to the field of heraldry and vexillology on Commons. Thank you! Sodacan (talk) 05:26, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
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For obvious reasons. INeverCry 20:48, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for making a vector version of this flag on such short notice! Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 15:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks a bunch for taking the time to make SVG flags of all these U.S. federal agencies! Illegitimate Barrister (talk) 13:29, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Choco chip cookie.png Thanks for keeping the image category up to par. Enjoy! - FOX 52 (talk) 18:13, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
Erdbeerteller01.jpg The strawberry fruit (which is not actually a berry) is widely appreciated for its characteristic aroma, bright red color, juicy texture, and sweetness.

For all the .svg (and flags) work you do here. Your edits are appreciated. :) -- Steinsplitter (talk) 17:45, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for creating SVG files of Wikimedia projects. Also, thank you for contributing countless SVG road sign diagrams. TagaSanPedroAko(Let's talk/Usap tayo) 13:56, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
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Just wanted to take a moment to say THANK you for all the tireless, awesome work you have done with all the road sign svg files in the community. You've made my model railroading ideas a lot easier to accomplish, and my quality of realism more than would've ever been possible without all the work you have done. Thank you! Fgossage (talk) 15:25, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
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A quick note of appreciation for excellent artistry on coats of arms, which images much enhance the attraction of Wikipedia, as well as helping provide visual explanation of important families. Un grand merci! L'honorable (talk) 19:38, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you so much for all the work with road sings in Colombia! Keep up the great work! Aardila (talk) 19:11, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
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Thanks for helping to mark the traffic sign of the Kingdom of Thailand.I have to do a variety of vehicles such as cars, buses, trailers, tuk tuk, as svg file. If done all the way in Diagrams of Symbols road signs of Thailand มองโกเลีย๔๔ (talk) 05:26,18 January 2018 (UTC)
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Thank you for more +200.000 contribs. Keep it that way. Web Source Self-Management System (talk) 19:31, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
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the barnstar for you,yes Tim commons (talk) 08:19, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Brownie transparent.png Good job Tim commons (talk) 07:25, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Peace Barnstar Hires.png The Barnstar of Diplomacy
Good job Tim commons (talk) 07:26, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
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Good job Tim commons (talk) 07:26, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
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Great heraldic work! Ctjj.stevenson (talk) 12:10, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
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thanks :) Tito zz (talk) 15:09, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
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Your work is amazing. Can you update country-eu flagmaps with less precise borders like Bulgaria to match the others(Specially like Austria). They are inconsistent, please make them the same for OCD collectors, thanks 🎗️(ribbon is yellow) Kamran.nef (talk) 12:28, 12 November 2019 (UTC)


ALoha! I just read your comment that you just remove DR notifications. Anyway, that got me thinking (imagine!): Do you know about the OneClickArchiver? -> w:en:User:Technical 13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver Works like a charm. One click and gone. Cheers, C(_) --Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 04:07, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

No, I had not heard of that before, but I will definitely take a look. Thanks! Fry1989 eh? 21:33, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Fry1989![edit]

Request opinion[edit]

Hi! Could you take a look at this gallery? Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 17:32, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I will. Thank you. Fry1989 eh? 17:55, 9 February 2017 (UTC)


I assume you know about User:Squiresy92's uploads of national coats of arms? I'm not sure I have a strong objection, but some people might... AnonMoos (talk) 06:41, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I am aware. For the most part, I find their edits to be an improvement. There are one or two that I have a little niggle with, but I'm not upset. I would understand if others were, however, yes. Fry1989 eh? 15:30, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Flag proposals for the new French regions[edit]

I was wonder if you can match the symbol on the proposed flag of Occitanie with this symbol and this proposal of another region with that

P.S. Rename the proposed flags to their official names of the regions. Thanks. 2607:FEA8:4F20:59F:D5DD:1F44:478:D2E 00:40, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Colombia road signs review[edit]

Hi there, I've had a chance to go through the signs you so generously created. I noted my comments in my user_talk for your review. I didn't want to start editing a bunch of your images without first checking with you, so I only edited minor things which I thought made sense. If you're OK with the changes, let me know in that page if and which comments specifically and I'll be happy to save you the trouble of editing the images (except for the renames, as I don't have that privilege here). Once again, thanks for your work on this! It is highly appreciated! Have a great weekend! --Aardila (talk) 16:05, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, just wanted to ask the source for the changes to the old information signs (like this one, for example)? I'm looking at the official 2004 manual available at and the previous versions were correct. The metadata was also overwritten with different sign names which are not those in the official manual. --Aardila (talk) 13:49, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
Hi @Aardila:. I apologise for my slow response, but my computer died and I've been without a new computer for the last 4 days. I have a new one now, so I should be back in business. Regarding the old information signs, I have the old version of the Manual and it has different measurements for those signs. So I was updating them to those specifications. Fry1989 eh? 19:37, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Sorry to hear about your computer. I'm not sure what version of the document you have, but when I look at Chapter 2 on the page I linked above, I see the old versions of the info signs are now different from what you're uploading (starting on page 68 in the document). I had also recently gone through them and updated the names and translation as per the 2004 manual (linked), but that info also seems to have been overwritten, so I was wondering which version of the manual you were using exactly for both the graphics and name updates? Can you post the link? Thanks in advance. --Aardila (talk) 22:22, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
@Aardila:, I can't seemto find the document online, but I could email it to you. Fry1989 eh? 23:58, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Also, I have found manuals for Bolivia and Peru. They are not high quality, so I'm not sure how well I can recreate the images, but I will make an attempt in the future. Fry1989 eh? 00:33, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
Can't you upload it to a file sharing platform and publish the public link to the document here? I guess what I'm not understanding is how this source is more authoritative that the government site for the Ministry of Transport that I linked above that would warrant overwriting all files and metadata? Awesome job on getting sources for Bolivia & Peru! :) --Aardila (talk) 18:09, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
@Aardila:, I did not think of that. Great idea! I have uploaded it to Dropbox, you can view and download it here. There are two versions of the 2004 Manual. One version has all the signs together on the same document, which is the version that you have. The other is in three separate chapters for Preventivas, Reglamentarias, and Informativas. That version has construction sheets. Fry1989 eh? 18:47, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
@Aardila:, have you had a chance to look at the document? What are your thoughts? 19:50, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

Symbol Types of cars Used with road signs of Thailand[edit]

Hi ! Thanks for helping to mark the traffic of the Kingdom of Thailand.I have to do a variety of vehicles such as cars, buses, trailers, tuk tuk, as svg file. If done all the way in Diagrams of Symbols road signs of Thailand --มองโกเลีย๔๔ (talk) 01:17, 21 November 2017 (UTC)มองโกเลีย๔๔

Hi @มองโกเลีย๔๔:! Thank you, I enjoy working on the images. Some are a bit difficult, but it is worth it. Those SVG files would help a lot. Fry1989 eh? 01:37, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Book which may be of interest[edit]

I found at a very, very cheap price in a used bookstore near where I live "Canadian City Flags: 100 Flags from Abbotsford to Yellowknife". (With older flag versions, alternative flags, and flags of former municipalities merged into other municipalities, there are actually a lot more than 100 flag illustrations in the book.) I guess this is more up your alley than mine, so if there's any info in the book which could be helpful, feel free to ask me... AnonMoos (talk) 12:11, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

That definitely perks my interest. If you're up for doing some scans, that would be great. Fry1989 eh? 17:25, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm not really set up to do scans now. Maybe I'll just send the book to you sometime after the holidays (i.e. earlyish 2018) -- though the last time I mailed books to Canada, I had to fill out a customs declaration, and the person receiving them had to pay some kind of tax on the declared value. My favorite flag so far is Inuvik, Northwest Territories, while my least favorite is that of Lethbridge, Alberta (a.k.a. "Fort Whoop-Up"), which is "reflective of what an inebriated person might draw while attempting to draw the Stars and Stripes"... SFriendly.gif -- AnonMoos (talk) 07:17, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
That is a very kind offer, though you don't have to if you don't want to. I ship a care package to the US for a dear friend some times and I've had to fill out the customs thing, but he's never had to pay anything on the receiving end. I've also never had to pay on the receiving end for shipping for my banknote collection from various countries including the US, and that's actual money so those have real monetary value...sounds weird to me. Poor Self Care (Know the Signs).png Fry1989 eh? 19:48, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Anyway, it's apparently on-line at -- AnonMoos (talk) 10:23, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

File:Flag of North Yemen.svg[edit]

Hi Could you change the color of the green star, like to File:Flag of Syria.svg ? --Panam2014 (talk) 14:06, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Done. Fry1989 eh? 18:42, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. And for File:Coat of arms of Yemen Arab Republic (1974–1990).svg, could you also change the color and also add the detail like to File:Coat of arms of Yemen.svg?--Panam2014 (talk) 22:28, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Official working drawings for Irish road signs[edit]

Hi Fry! Of all the Wikimedia users that have dealt with road signs, I would confidently say that you are the single biggest contributor, in terms of diversity and quantity (in a good way). I understand that you are a busy guy with your own priorities and all that, but I have found something that might interest you: Official working drawings for Irish road signs. The link is an official website where you can browse the traffic signs and view most of their working drawings in a PDF format (very few in chapter 4, although pretty consistently for chapters 5 & 6). This might just make Ireland worth re-visiting some time in the future.

Cheers! - VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 22:14, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

@VulpesVulpes42:, well hello!! What a lovely surprise. First let me thank you for the kind compliments. Secondly let me say this just tickles me pink because I've wanted to do Ireland properly for years but the 2010 manuals from DTTAS are all raster and don't have construction sheets, so I was limited in what I could do. A repository like this is exactly what I need. It is true I have a lot of work to do, I've got a dozen or more countries to work on (and I still have to finish SADC which is exhausting), but Ireland is going back up on the list for sure. Thank you so so much! If you ever come across any other repositories, don't forget to send them my way. :D Fry1989 eh? 00:16, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Will try to keep that in mind :)
Also (and pretty ironically), full-colour vector images are included in each and every working drawing, but they seem to be pretty low-quality, so I would try to ignore them and just stick to the actual diagram for reference. - VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 07:07, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Oh, and in order to save you the hassle of hand-tracing letters and all that I should let you know that the fonts that are used on Irish traffic signs can be downloaded here:
VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 17:17, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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☆Good job, you finished Thailand!☆

VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 21:48, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Re: Flag of Royal Military College of Canada[edit]

I originally posted the following on PneumaticEditor's user page:

I updated the .svg image for this flag as you suggested, however, user Fry1989 revised my change on the file itself. He says that "It is unclear if the proportions have been deliberately changed or the flags were improperly made." In any case, the .svg version should be used, but should it be the tricolour version or the pale? This is unclear. It appears that in historical contexts, and when RMC flags are sold commercially on the internet, they are 2:3 tricolours, but in contemporary RMC use they are 1:2 pales. That being said, I cannot find any official justification for the change from tricolour to pale.

Here, if you look at the image on the bottom right, the original heraldric artwork for the flag of RMC St. Jean is shown, and it is a tricolour in 1:2. Perhaps this should form the basis for the flag.

Regarding the motto, I believe it should be only in English, as the motto is recorded only in English in the original blazon, which is the authoritative description on how each element of that coat of arms is to be depicted.

What do you think? The CSOTK (talk) 05:10, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

Request for some simple flags.[edit]

Hey I'm just wondering if you could do a simple request, it's File:De Zavala Flag.svg, could you realign the letters so they're actually centered between the points? And maybe change the font to News Gothic?

Beyond that could you also make a variant of it where the S is at the bottom? Since that was actually the format used on the back of Texas Dollars.

Also can you make a red variant since that was mentioned in contemporaneous newspaper reports at the time? Thank you. --Thegunkid (talk) 08:35, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

@Thegunkid:, sure I can take a swing at it. Fry1989 eh? 18:56, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
@Thegunkid:, is that better? I didn't have the font you mentioned, but I used RutaCL which is rather simple. Fry1989 eh? 18:20, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Yes that's great, just be sure to make the variant with the S at the bottom since like I said, that's the format used by the Republic of Texas, and currently used by the State DPS for their seal. --Thegunkid (talk) 23:40, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
To add I think the one with the S at the bottom should be the main one, with the current one being a variant. --Thegunkid (talk) 23:43, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Before you continue with: UK ~ Singapore ~ Quebec[edit]

I noticed that all these countries were on your todo list. I'd figure that I should give you some information before you undertake these endeavours.
First off: UK. I would be willing to guess that you are familiar with the official illustration repository. However, I do not know if you are aware of the official construction sheet/working drawing repository. If not, let me know and I'll give you the link.
Next up, Singapore. So, we have official government documents. However, the vector illustrations included within are of poor quality. But since many of Singapore's road sign designs are of British origin, it would feel justified to just use the British vector drawings, where applicable and appropriate.
Lastly, Quebec. I know for a fact that you are acquainted with the Quebec repository. I would also guess that you are aware of the construction sheets. But just to be sure, I might as well ask. If you are unsure on how to access the construction sheets, let me know.
VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 17:49, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

@VulpesVulpes42:, hi there. Always happy to hear from you :)
So firstly I'll address Singapore. Some of the diagrams do look quite inferior. I've been spending my spare time the last few weeks using Google Streetview and Flickr and some other repositories to try and collect as many photos of real life signs as I can. Some really are "that bad". Take [1] and [2] for the quayside sign, and [3] and [4] for the no overtaking sign, as examples. So I intend to try and make the signs be faithful recreations, even though you and I both think the symbols are pretty shoddy looking. Also a side note, it appears that prior to the late 1990s, Singaporean road signs did not use the backing board and were cut out based on their shape like in most countries. I have collected several photos of signs such as [5], the stop sign, give way sign, and others. I intend to recreate these as well.
Regarding the UK. When you say official repository, I presume you mean the TSRGD website? I did have a free subscription to it quite some time ago, but then they switched it to a pay service and the price is far too high for me to afford. Which is a shame since the EPS files were of really good quality. I do not know of any construction sheets, so I would be happy to see what you have.
With Quebec, I also did not know of any construction sheets. I would also appreciate the link to that. Fry1989 eh? 18:33, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
I didn't actually know that TSRGD was a thing before you brought it up. For free, you can find both EPS images and working drawings on the good old (you'll need to scroll down the page till you get to "Traffic signs images and drawings", and then click on any of the "schedules"). As for Quebec, here's how to access any working drawing. You know this website where you can browse image galleries and download image files? You need to click on any sign in the gallery. When you are on that road sign's individual page, you should see a button "Afficher le devis technique (PDF)", or "View the specifications (PDF)" if you are browsing the site in English. Depending on how your browser deals with PDF files, the PDF construction sheet should either begin downloading, or open up in a new tab. I also believe that they give you the option to include a PDF construction sheet when you download road sign image files. - VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 19:25, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
I see. They made a web app for the TSRGD. It was very useful. I knew that the signs were still available on the website, but they were of lesser quality the last time I checked them out. But that is great to see they have been improved since then.
With Quebec, I never noticed that. It appears not all the signs have that option, or at least not the most recently added ones. But that is still very helpful. Fry1989 eh? 19:58, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
As I see it, the British EPS drawings could be useful starting foundations, then fine-tuned according to the working drawings/construction sheets. Very happy that I could help! - VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 20:06, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Alberta road signs[edit]

I am starting to work on Alberta road sign diagrams, as well as completing Philippine road sign diagrams (and creating diagrams for old ones), and here is a source for vector road sign drawings in Alberta: . I have created some, but I'm not sure of the copyright status (the road signs are under Crown copyright), so if we want to upload them, contacting Alberta Transportation is a good idea. We have route signs already (which are obviously too simple), but for other road signs, that gives us the question. -TagaSanPedroAkoTalk -> 03:52, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

@TagaSanPedroAko:, hi. I am currently working on Singapore. I still need to finish the Vienna Convention (it is 90% done anyway) but got kinda bored so I needed to work on something different for a while. I have downloaded all of the Alberta and Ontario working drawings, and do plan to do them in the future as well. Most of them are textual or basic shapes and won't pass copyright, there are some that are more questionable though, like some of the animal signs. I will know better when I start to work on them, but that is some time away. Fry1989 eh? 15:28, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
@Fry1989: We may upload most signs because they are too simple in design, but we will take note that we cannot upload a few signs here, especially route markers. Route markers copyrighted by the Alberta government (e.g. Yellowhead Highway marker, Crowsnest Highway marker, etc.) are uploaded already in Wikipedia under fair use. We have route number signs already in Category:Alberta Highway shields, including versions from the 1970s, and Trans-Canada Highway markers for Highways 1 and 16 (white maple leaf on green background, with "Trans-Canada" and province name in caps, also green. Already in the public domain).--TagaSanPedroAkoTalk -> 04:38, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
I agree, there will be a few that can not be uploaded. But most are safe for Commons. Fry1989 eh? 17:29, 9 August 2018 (UTC)


Hello, it's-a me again! Just want you to know that you are doing tremendous work with Singapore. Keep it up! But more importantly, take your time. I do not want be that kind of guy who loads your desk with a bunch of paperwork and then leaves, but I found a few government links which might make Chile worth re-visiting whenever you feel like it. I noticed that the current Chile road signs are shoddy vectors extracted from PDFs. I found the PDFs, and while the vectors contained therein are still as bad as ever, if you scroll past them you'll see mathematical construction sheets: [6]
The manual is split up into different chapters. In the provided link, you'll want to scroll to a chapter and click on a "road sign" with the text "Descargar capítulo" to download that chapter's PDF. The documents are in Spanish, but that shouldn't be too much of a problem as the mathematical construction sheets are the most relevant piece of information.
Also, Chile ditched the FHWA font a while back ago in favour of Ruta CL. I found another government link where you can download that font, which should be helpful. Let's just hope that the font is competently vectorized... VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 20:17, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

I have those already Twemoji 1f60b.svg But I greatly appreciate your effort to help. Thank you. Fry1989 eh? 20:25, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Well that's good. I still think that we (at some future date) should work away at those awful vectors. My SVG skills are ever so slightly better than what they used to be, so I think that I could do a few of them myself actually. —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 20:32, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Yes, Chile does need to be re-done. But as you can see, my list is so very long it is difficult to prioritize which countries should come first. If you want to take a try at it, you are more than welcome to. Fry1989 eh? 20:39, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Border change of sign: Philippines road sign G1-1.svg[edit]

@Fry1989: I was contacting User:TagaSanPedroAko but he/she is not replying about the border change of this sign. Can you review it? Thanks! hueman1 (talk) 23:29, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

I see the change. Both seem acceptable to me, but I will try using Google Streetview and see which version is more common. Thank you. Fry1989 eh? 00:06, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
The older one is more common, and uses Arial Bold sometimes Clearview... I just don't get why are they using multiple typefaces. hueman1 (talk) 12:56, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Doing some Google Streetviewing, the previous version with rounded corners does seem to be more common than with square corners. I do not know about the typefaces, so I will accept your input about that. Fry1989 eh? 17:57, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
In what region do you street view? hueman1 (talk) 00:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
I was looking at the capital Manila. Fry1989 eh? 17:59, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
We have a problem about that. Road signs in Metro Manila may differ from the ones in other places, this is because Metropolitan Manila Development Authority have road signs of their own. This slightly contradicts from the ones (Department of Public Works and Highways) we are recreating, which is by the way the original and the one with standards. --hueman1 (talk) 11:08, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
This causes some variation in Philippine road signs in Metro Manila, while in provinces the road signs are old and sometimes unmaintained. I feel bad about these signs, some are covered with moss, some are rusted and some are severely damaged. And some are just painted with paint (Some kind of household paint). --hueman1 (talk) 11:12, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
@HueMan1: I'm sorry if I haven't replied to you in my talk page (I only came back to upload other national road number signs). I agree to have the font harmonized in all Philippine road signs and use Clearview. For sign borders, I remain undecided, as signs with square corners, somehow like those used in the US guide signs, are in use in newer guide signs (white on green/blue/brown). --TagaSanPedroAkoTalk -> 04:27, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
@TagaSanPedroAko: Since you've started making old road signs of the Philippines, why don't we just make all versions then? Someone get my point? Thanks by the way. I'm always here to help. --hueman1 (talk) 09:02, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Favour request for someone with excellent command of Her Majesty's English[edit]

Sorry to bother you at this tumultuous time, but I would be quite grateful if you could take a quick look at the closer provisions of road sign A19 on my personal sandbox. While I am mostly happy with the translation, the expression "communicate instructions regarding" feels really wonky. I was just wondering if that is A: even grammatically correct, and B: appropriate in context. Thank you for your tremendous help not only towards me, but towards the entire project! —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 17:28, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

I will certainly take a look. Thanks. Fry1989 eh? 17:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you! Now, I am afraid of coming out as a jerk who asks for help, but then is like "nah nevermind", so let me make one thing clear: You replacing "communicate" with "provide" was immensely helpful and something that I would not have been able to figure out myself. Will keep that for sure. With that said, I have reasons behind the choice of wording when it comes to everything else. When translating Swedish legal texts into English, my number 1 priority is to get the idea across as precisely as possible. My second priority however is to translate everything as literally as possible (within the realm of English grammar and vocabulary, of course). This is why I wrote "especial risk" instead of "high risk", since "särskild" means something in the style of "especial" or "non-ordinary". If you do not have any strong objections against it, I may use "especial" instead. But if you do have objections against that wording, due to it for instance being ungrammatical or not getting the idea across, I would happily settle for something in between, like "especially high", or even just "high", if my arguments were unconvincing.
Then, I also saw that you replaced "may" with "shall". In the original Swedish version, the idea communicated was more similar to "the transport agency has the right to provide instructions". Maybe it's just me, but the idea that I get from your translation is that the agency is expected to and will announce new symbols as necessary, while in reality I *believe* that (while the agency has the right to issue new standardized symbols) one is supposed to ask the Swedish Transport Agency for permission if one wishes to put up a sign with a non-standard symbol. Unless you have any objections, I will probably replace "shall" with "has the right to". Once again, thank you for being so helpful and for being an excellent co-user! —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 18:29, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi. Don't worry, you don't come off as a jerk. I like helping people. I can understand the desire to make the translations be as similar as possible in both wording and the thought being conveyed. My choice to change "especial" was that it is a uncommon word and sounds archaic (to me). The word "especially" is much more common, but if we use that it would require some additional word such as "especially high" or "especially frequent" which you may dislike. I think the synonym "exceptional" might fit well here. But I will leave it up to you. Regarding the second part, I have no objection to changing "shall" to "may". I understand the less strict interpretation that is attempting to be conveyed. Fry1989 eh? 22:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
First off, your help has been invaluable. I got what I came for. You think that "especial" sounds archaic, which I find interesting. You see, Wiktionary categorizes less fashionable words using three words, which are (from weakest to strongest): "dated", "archaic", and "obsolete". "Especial" isn't actually assigned any of these words, so with all things considered, that is probably the word I'll end up using. I just see it as a word where the adverb form for some reason has become a lot more common than the plain adjective form. What's archaic in one language is formal and even common everyday use in another.
We are essentially done here, so once again, thank you for your help. Cheers! —VulpesVulpes42 (talk) 07:52, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Naval cadets ensign[edit]

Hello, great collection of flags. Could you create a Royal Navy Cadets Ensign. It looked exactly like the Sea Sailing Cadets Blue ensign, but it’s defaced blue Ensign, has the words Royal Naval Section instead of Sea Sailing Cadets, in its bage. C. D. S. 19:04, 28 September 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SouthcottC (talk • contribs) 19:04, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Revised proposal “Naval Section Combined Cadet Force”. Instead and with a star at the bottom Thank you very much C. D. S. 19:18, 28 September 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SouthcottC (talk • contribs) 19:18, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Are you there. Thanks C. D. S. 05:53, 22 October 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SouthcottC (talk • contribs) 05:53, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

@SouthcottC:, I am sorry, I did not see your request. Do you have any images of this ensign? Fry1989 eh? 16:18, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Terribly sorry Fry, you’ve been beaten to it. Thank you much for inquiring of me. Sorry again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SouthcottC (talk • contribs) 17:09, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Another thing[edit]

Hello again Fry1989, can you make also a shield only version of Dominica's coat of arms and also remove the gradients of Dominica's coat of arms in the presidential standart and governor of dominica flag of (1965–1978) as you did with the flag of dominica of (1965–1978). - 20:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Move Flag of a Governor-General of Canada.svg[edit]

Hi. When I made Flag of a Governor-General of Canada.svg, I wasn't aware that it also applies to Lieutenant-Governors. There's probably a much more suitable name for it, but vexillology isn't my area of expertise. Maybe "Flag of a Canadian Governor.svg" is sufficient? Maybe "Blank vice-regal flag of Canada (1870–19??).svg"? What's your opinion? TilmannR (talk) 19:39, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Since that model is no longer used (except Nova Scotia in modified form), I'm not really sure what to call it. Fry1989 eh? 20:30, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Flag SVG request #1[edit]

Yo, Fry! Can you do an SVG versions of the flags. The flags I had uploaded: including thisRainbowSilver2ndBackup (talk) 18:49, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

@RainbowSilver2ndBackup:, I will work on the ones that I can do. Fry1989 eh? 19:53, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Val d'Aran[edit]

Hello Fry, I'm quite surprised by the name change of Flag-Val d'Aran. There has never been any space, neither in Catalan, nor in Aranese spelling, between the d' and Aran. So why? Best regards, --Jfblanc (talk) 10:34, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Greetings. Are you referring to this file? I do not know why it was named that way, but I can re-name it if you wish. Fry1989 eh? 17:20, 27 December 2018 (UTC)


Ciao, it's possible blocked this user-vandal: "Tio dari"? See for example "File history" of File:Flag of Bolivia (state).svg and File:Coat of arms of Bolivia.svg. This user (Tio dari) revert old and obsolete versions of various flags and coats of arms from 22 January 2019 to present day: see user's contribs (verify please).

I apologize but I don't know system administrators.

Thank you and ciao!!


I need your help[edit]

I created fictional Houthi flags but they are marked by a deletion request. I do not intend to make propaganda as these are fictional flags. Therefore I put the fictional flag template on these files. Again I do not offend anyone as they are made for satirical purposes. RainbowSilver2ndBackup (talk) 18:50, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

I will take a look. Fry1989 eh? 19:31, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Question about creating road signs SVGs[edit]

I want to create some SVGs for older Ohio road signs out of the 1950s and 1970s Ohio MUTCD, however I'm having an issue determining the size of the letters.
So I'll get a "Letter size & Series: 4 1/2" D". Now, I get that the 'D' means a 'D series' font. But I don't know how to measure the letter size. The documents don't provide any guidance. How do you you do it?--The Navigators (talk) 12:03, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

@The Navigators:, there are a few options for road signs that I use. The first and most ideal is some form of construction sheet, like this (which I extracted from an ODOT PDF) or this from an online government repository. Both contain exact dimensions for all the elements of the sign. The other option is that many PDF files contain SVG versions of the sign within them, so even if it is missing the dimensions, you can extract it into Inkscape and still upload the sign. Depending on how old these signs are though, that may not be possible. If the document you are relying on only has raster images and lacks the dimensions, really all you can do is give it your best guess. And when signs use a special font, such as FHWA, it becomes nearly impossible. There are many US road signs I want to upload but I have not been able to get my hands on a true copy of that font so I have had to put them off. If you can show me what sort of documents you are using for these older signs, and whether or not you have the FHWA fonts, I may be able to give you better instructions. Fry1989 eh? 18:50, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Here's a page out of the 1967 edition for parking signs, document lacks working drawings, which is amazing given that cities more frequently made their own signs back then. Guess it's going to be trial and error. Good-ish news is most of the signs I want to make aren't overly complex, mostly rectangles with text.
Regarding fonts, someone over at the graphics workshop told me about a webtool for identifying fonts, maybe you've herd of it, maybe not: What The Font. Even if there isn't a digital copy of one of those older fonts you're in search of, it might suggest something that is basically indistinguishable or could be reworked to make signs.

(I'll also leave this link here, it's an copy of a 1966 edition of Standard Alphabets for Highway Signs Not sure if it's of use to you, but you never know. Also, has a few documents from Montana's highway department if you're ever in need of older sign documents from that state, along with some other stuff.).--The Navigators (talk) 00:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Although I don’t have the means to reverse-engineer a proper font from them, I should be able to extract vector images of individual FHWA characters from the current (2000 series) Alphabets PDF, if that would be any help to either of you.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 00:50, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
@The Navigators:, so in that document the signs are in raster format, so you can't simply extract them into Inkscape. In that case the only thing I really can suggest is you go based off of the dimensions for the signs in some of the more modern PDFs. But that example leaves me somewhat curious. They appear to have the federal MUTCD designations, most of the states add some sort of personal symbol to their signs, like Texas adds a T to the end (File:Texas W11-25T.svg) an Delaware adds DE to the end (File:Delaware D12-6-DE.svg). So you will want to make sure to differentiate between federal and state signs. That Standard Alphabet PDF is nice, but not really helpful since the letters are all raster. I would love to look at some of the older Montana documents, btw.
@Odysseus1479:, that would absolutely be helpful and appreciated. Fry1989 eh? 18:36, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Odysseus1479 (talk) 20:05, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
BTW the letter images in the recent Alphabets PDF are not raster, but are generated ‘on the fly’ from embedded subsets of the fonts. So the derived paths will be constructed identically to the original glyphs, unlike a vectorization that’s created by tracing raster images.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 21:47, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Here's a link to a search at that brings back the Montana documents (They're mixed with some irrelevant documents, but the sign ones stand out). As for the sign file naming I'll trail the numbers with "OH" (Ohio) or "PA" (I have a few documents with Pennsylvania road signs from more recently, but also raster.) and the year if there's multiple versions, unless you have a better strategy or standard.--The Navigators (talk) 20:52, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
@The Navigators:, thank you for that link. As for how we name the files, there is a new standard I have set up and intend to eventually rename all my files to. Because all the federal signs are named "MUTCD..." with the sign number, I named all my California files "MUTCD-CA...". I think it would be good to name the state signs that way with the state abbreviation. Fry1989 eh? 20:32, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

PR Macedonia Flag (1944-1946) GlobalReplace[edit]


You renamed File:Flag of Macedonia (1944–1946).svg to File:Flag of North Macedonia (1944–1946).svg and replaced it using GlobalReplace, but this flag is not a flag of the state North Macedonia but the Yugoslav entity, the People's Republic of Macedonia, therefore it cannot be called as such. Please back such changes. Идеологист (talk) 18:40, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

I am aware that it is the flag of the Yugoslav entity and that North Macedonia did not become independent until 1991, but for the purposes of Commons it is best to maintain file name uniformity. Fry1989 eh? 18:54, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi, you renamed the flag of Socialist Republic of Macedonia as flag of North Macedonia? Why? The historical full name of Macedonia beteween 1944 and 1946 was "Socialist Republic of Macedonia". It's plausible only "Macedonia" but why "North"? --Skyfall (talk) 19:38, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
So, in order "maintain file name uniformity " this file: Roman Empire has to be renamed "Flag of Italy"? --Skyfall (talk) 19:42, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
That is utter nonsense. The Roman Empire and the current country of Italy were never the same entity. The entity and territorial integrity of what is now called "North Macedonia" and until this month just "Macedonia" has always been the same since 1944. Secondly, Macedonia/North Macedonia has since 1991 been the same country. Look at Germany, there was the 3rd Reich, what was West Germany from 1950s-1989, and now the united Germany. That is not reflected in the file names. We have simply File:Flag of Germany.svg and File:Flag of Germany (1935–1945).svg, and there are other examples. Accusing me of vandalism because you do not agree, when it is very clear that my intention is not to vandalize, is actually quite offensive to me. Fry1989 eh? 20:55, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Or look at your example of Italy. File:Flag of Italy (1861–1946).svg and File:Flag of Italy.svg, not "Flag of the Kingdom of Italy" and "Flag of the Republic of Italy". Fry1989 eh? 21:08, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
@Идеологист, Skyfall: I agree that the rename undertaken was ill-advised, so it would be worthwhile if you could suggest a name that reflects the political reality of the time. Happy for that discussion to take place on either file talk pages of the respective images, or Com:VP. Please feel ping me on such a discussion.  — billinghurst sDrewth 22:02, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
What about the flag of the Kigndom of France before the revolution? Or the flag of Congo and the flag of Zaire? It's exactly the same country. --Skyfall (talk) 23:51, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Look below. I have given more examples. Fry1989 eh? 23:58, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
@Идеологист, Skyfall: This probably should be a community discussion at Com:VP where the naming issues for flags can be discussed holistically. There are templates at the wikis that rely on a standard naming process, though these examples highlight issues with those who believe that naming patterns override accuracy is problematic. IMO this discussion should have taken place prior to the first renames.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:43, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Addendum, this template naming mattered quite significantly in the early days, however, now having LUA and with Wikidata now being the repository for flag data, and the ability to set criteria, that reliance on templating should be discarded, and allow for more accurate naming without restriction.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:47, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Reverted to File:Flag of the Republic of Macedonia (1992–1995).svg[edit]

There was no North Macedonia in the years 1992-1995, so it is inaccurate to move the flag to that name. I believe consideration should be given to reviewing these renames for similar reasons, though

  • File:Flag of Macedonia (1944–1946).svg → File:Flag of North Macedonia (1944–1946).svg)
  • File:Flag of Macedonia (1946–1992).svg → File:Flag of North Macedonia (1946–1992).svg)

It is also problematic when you suggest and do a rename, then reject other requests to move it back. Generally it would be a consensus for such moves rather than a unilateral action.  — billinghurst sDrewth 21:58, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

@Billinghurst:, I have to strongly disagree about your statement "there was no North Macedonia 1992-1995". Yes there was, the Republic of Macedonia and the Republic of North Macedonia are the exact same country, the only difference is they changed the name of the country. They didn't change their constitutional structure, or their territory, and I've provided multiple examples above where countries have undergone more drastic changes than simply their name. Now, I renamed "Flag of the Republic of Macedonia (1992–1995).svg" to "Flag of North Macedonia (1992–1995).svg" prior to having read your response on my page, and for that I apologize. It was my presumption another unaware file mover had moved it by request of either Идеологист or Skyfall while I was momentarily away this evening, and I hope you will forgive me for that. But, I must reiterate my strongest disagreement, and I intend to provide more examples that my rename is a valid one. Fry1989 eh? 23:38, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
See these broad examples,
  • Afghanistan went from a kingdom to a republic to a democratic republic to an islamic state to an islamic republic. You will notice however all of its 20+ flags are named "Flag of Afghanistan (date–date)"
  • Albania went from a principality to a Kingdom to a Socialist Republic to now a Republic. You will notice the same with its many flags.
  • Egypt went from a Kingdom to a Republic to an Arab Republic. Its many flags start with the Kingdom follow this practice.
  • Greece went from a Kingdom to a Republic to Kingdom to a dictatorship then to Republic again. Its previous flags follow this practice.
  • Mozambique went from a communist state to republic, and its previous flags follow this practice.
Along with Italy and Germany which I previously mentioned, all of these countries have gone through both renames and wide constitutional changes in their history as well. But they follow a common thread. The Republic of Macedonia (1991-2019) and the Republic of North Macedonia (2019-present) are one and the same, all that happened was a simple addition of one word to the country's name. My rename followed this practice. It wasn't something I pulled out of thin air. Fry1989 eh? 23:58, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
I reverted a change that had taken place without consultation, and you overrode it without consultation, nor checking who had done it. I read that as you tried to enforce your PoV. That is not a good practice, whether an admin or a filemover undertook the action. That you undertook such moves not just once, but more than once, without discussion with the community or consideration for that discussion, especially around ethno-political matters which are known to be troublesome is problematic. Where something is known to be troublesome, one should always take it to the community for discussion rather than enforce one's opinion. There is simply no hurry for any of that action.

One of the criteria for renaming is accuracy, and for 1992 to 1995 there was no Republic of North Macedonia, there was no North Macedonia at all, that is a construct of 2019, whether there is any physical change of any border. To note that your examples seem to ignore that the "Republic of ..." component in this example was acting as a disambiguator so its presence is particular and required to separate these other ethno-political matters. Ultimately renames are community's decisions, not yours, the rename guidance is there, and your move would seem to be outside of that in a blackletter sense. That you think that you can dismiss the community's concerns are equally troublesome. I will reserve my thinking on this matter for the moment, the pages displaying these images don't need another edit episode without a more consensual decision-making process.  — billinghurst sDrewth 00:39, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

The difference is entirely splitting hairs. It's like saying "There was no Bolivarian Venezuela until 1999". Whilst true in the most strictest interpretation, it is a differentiation that is not made between File:Flag of Venezuela.svg and historical versions such as File:Flag of Venezuela (1930–1954).svg. The majority of countries' flags follow this practice. I am entirely following set precedent on the matter. As for the "Republic..." qualifier, the current flag was renamed (not by me) to "Flag of North Macedonia", which follows near universal practice to exclude such qualifiers such as "Kingdom/Republic/State of....". I am not stepping outside of anything that isn't already common practice. Fry1989 eh? 01:00, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
The question isn't to exclude qualifiers such as "Kingdom/Republic/State of", but "North" in historical flags of a country with a different name, without the mentioned "North". --Skyfall (talk) 17:01, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Nothing of consequence changed. Their constitutional structure did not change, their territorial boundaries did not change, they didn't have a revolution, Macedonia (1991-2019) and Macedonia (2019-) is the same country! There are many other series of flags on Commons which follow this practice which I did not impose. My rename is an established practice and has been for a very long time. Fry1989 eh? 17:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

It is also the file:Flag of Yugoslavia (1918–1941).svg (and the article en:Flag of Yugoslavia), although 1918-1929 there was officially no Kingdom of Yugoslavia, but the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. However, no one has called for a new file by name "Flag of the Kingdom of the Serbs, Croats and Slovenians"? --Icon flag (talk) 02:21, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

I disagree with you. The current title is an anachronism. This flag have never been North Macedonia flag. This flag is not Burkina Faso flag. --Panam2014 (talk) 02:27, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
It should be remembered that Upper Volta changed its name and flag in the same year, even on the same day on 4 August 1984. This was not the case with the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes/Yugoslavia. In addition, the file:Flag of Upper Volta.svg is included in the article en:Flag of Burkina Faso, there is no article "Flag of Upper Volta". --Icon flag (talk) 13:56, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
@Icon flag: It is not a reason to do an anachronism. The previous Macedonia flags have never been North Macedonia flags. --Panam2014 (talk) 14:26, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Add superseded regulatory signs to bottom section of /Gallery/Road Signs/United States[edit]

Pre-1971 MUTCD R3-1.png
Pre-1971 MUTCD R3-4.png
Pre-1971 MUTCD R5-1.png

Hey there! First of all, I just want to say that you are doing amazing work categorizing and recreating these road signs. There are actually a few superseded signs you seem to have missed.

R3-2 is the same as R3-1 but "RIGHT" is replaced with "LEFT"

Of course, however, we would need proper, full-quality renders of the signs before such a thing happens. I've heard that you're good at that.

Oh, and as an aside, you're missing the metric version of W12-2, but you still included the construction metric version :P

I appreciate what you do and I hope this helps you out!

Dangeredwolf (talk) 04:54, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@Dangeredwolf:, thank you, you're very kind. I do want to upload the older versions of these signs, but I do not have a proper copy of the MUTCD font or construction sheets for these signs. Similar signs were also used in Canada from about the 1950s to the 1980s. They are also on my list, but again I have no construction sheets so they are kind of a guess at best. The images you have uploaded have measurements for the sign itself, but not for the text. As for W12-2, you said I am missing the metric version. Did you mean File:MUTCD W12-2 METRIC.svg? Fry1989 eh? 20:14, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
@Fry1989: Yes, that is the sign I was referring to, sorry for the delayed reply, I never received any notifications from Wikipedia that you replied for some reason. Dangeredwolf (talk) 20:04, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Did you get my email with a PDF of one of the alphabets attached? I’ve been awaiting confirmation that you can use it before processing the others the same way.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 22:01, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes I received it, thank you. I should have sent back a confirmation. Fry1989 eh? 23:33, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
No problem, and no rush–I’m just prone to forget about things completely once they’ve been out of my face for a few days. I’ll proceed with extracting the rest of the alphabets; feel free to give me a nudge if you don’t hear back within a week or so.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 00:20, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

George V flags[edit]

Hi, the flags are the coronation standards of South Africa, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. RainbowSilver2ndBackup (talk) 18:04, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi, yes thank you, I do have that source. I've just kept putting off making them. We do have Australia and New Zealand done though. Fry1989 eh? 18:55, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Road signs of Namibia[edit]


You did a lot of work and excellently painted the SADC traffic sign. Would it be possible for you to draw more specifically for Namibia?

I could upload sketches or photos to each one of them. --Lidhe (talk) 13:24, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Hallo Lidhe! I have a PDF of the Namibian Government Gazette from 1997. Most of their traffic signs are identical to SADC. I have uploaded some variations, such as File:SADC road sign IN16-NAM.svg. If you would like to show me what signs for Namibia that are missing, I would be happy to draw them as well. You can email them to me, or upload them and show me here on Commons. Fry1989 eh? 18:48, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello! That's really great.

Here is a link to a pdf. There it is special about the imformation signs. On page 8 and 9 are still one of the characters of the IN series, which are still missing.

Link: Lidhe (talk) 20:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

That is great, thank you. I will work on them very soon. Fry1989 eh? 20:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi! You were really hardworking. I found a link where the resolution is a lot better. --Lidhe
Thanks. I am trying my best. Thank you for the link. I am a bit of a perfectionist which is why I am a bit slow. Fry1989 eh? 20:07, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
I see you have already done a lot. Last week, I tried to create svg files. Now I understand what work is behind it. Thanks for that! Here is another link to a file. In this file on page 327 to page 376 is specifically about the tourist traffic signs. I am particularly concerned with the signs of Namibia, which differ in the caption. Unfortunately, the server is currently offline, which contains a pdf file with colored traffic signs. Especially for Namibia (perhaps as -NAM create), there are the characters: GF1, GF2, GF3, GF7, GF8, GF10, GF17, GF18. Can you continue with them? (Please omit the traffic sign GF9, I'm still looking for an example.) --Lidhe (talk) 11:46, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Here is a LINK with the symbol of the National Park in Namibia and a LINK with colored tourist signs. --Lidhe (talk) 06:18, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi. I was away on a little trip the other day and that is why I was not active. I do intend to upload the tourist symbols as well. Fry1989 eh? 19:57, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Great, you almost made the tourist signs. I have already started to create the service signs. Do you continue with the symbols from B1 on?
Here are two characters R530 and R531 which are still missing. Both signs are available in blue-white and white-red. I uploaded a sample for you. The font should be the default road sign font, I have used a different font for the pattern.
The character R326 (so to say R326-NAM) is used in Nambia as a simplified version. Here a link: Bus-Stop in Namibia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lidhe (talk • contribs) 07:27, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Hallo :). I do intend to keep uploading all the symbols for tourism and services, and then go back to IN11. I will also upload R530 and R531 some time as well. Fry1989 eh? 15:51, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi! That's great. I saw that you drew the symbol GFS B1-7. There is another symbol for this. The Namibian road sign catalog looks very different (page 382). I found a photo on the internet. --Lidhe (talk) 07:22, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I noticed that as well in the Namibian Gazette PDF, but the image was too low quality for me to use. I am trying to find an SVG version of the SRIN logo, but it is difficult. They do not appear to have a website. Fry1989 eh? 15:52, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Here is an link, with a picture (bmp) with the logo. But it is an very bad quality. --Lidhe (talk) 16:10, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. I will make a Graphic Lab request for the logo, I do not think I can make it by myself. Fry1989 eh? 17:27, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
This picture is a little bit better. --Lidhe (talk) 18:19, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Can you change a little thing in between? THIS SYMBOL does not exist according to the catalog. More appropriate is THIS VARIANT because there is no symbol. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lidhe (talk • contribs) 13:28, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
I am not prepared to deal with the route number signs yet. They are confusing because there are inconsistencies in shape and colour in the SADC-RTSM and in real life. Fry1989 eh? 18:10, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Can you please draw the D1-17 for Namibia as a green character with yellow B1? Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lidhe (talk • contribs) 20:01, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Do you still remember the following symbols: D1-13, D1-14, D1-15 and D1-16? Many thanks!!
Do you already know what you are doing after the GDLS series? Then I could already prepare something for the page. --Lidhe (talk) 09:29, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi. I will create GFS D1-13 – D1-16 soon. I have a construction sheet for the arrows, but I am not good at math so I have put it off for a little bit. After the GDLS section I intend to do the GDS symbols section, since most of them are similar and it will be fast. After that, I should go back to IN11.XXX :) Fry1989 eh? 16:14, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Perfect :)
Could you draw the character GL3 in between? For Namibia the village "TSUMEB" is used as pattern in the catalog. The character is to be used for a template, in which currently a fantasy town sign of Windhoek is involved.--Lidhe (talk) 18:20, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
I will work on those signs as well at some point, but they may be difficult. They require a special version of the DIN 1451 typeface called BMOD with bold characters, which I do not have. Fry1989 eh? 18:45, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Look on THIS side, maybe that helps with the creation.--Lidhe (talk) 19:07, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Did the link help you?--Lidhe (talk) 14:02, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
I do have a copy of DIN 1451, but I do not think a digital version of BMOD exists. It was created by South Africa, instead of the Deutsches Institut für Normung. I may have to make the signs using the normal DIN 1451 Engschrift typeface, but they will not look as accurate. Fry1989 eh? 19:04, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
@Fry1989:Here is a LINK to the page of the "sartsma" for chapter 4 and 5 of the RTSM. There you can see on page 47 the constuction of the signposts, arrows of signposts are on page 56 and a typeface of the font BMOD on page 69. Does this help you?
In Namibia, e.g. only the DIN are used because BMOD has no umlauts. In Nambia, there are towns that contain an ä, ö or ü (such as Lüderitz) and there are only in the DIN 1451. I have already made several patterns of SIGNPOSTS. The font was definitely DIN1451, the letters of the DIN were congruent with the original that I had tested before creating. --Lidhe (talk) 17:26, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
I will see what I can do. Fry1989 eh? 19:24, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

I do not like disturbing you all the time, but the SRIN icon has a misspelling. There is "Nstitute" and not "Institute" (SADC road sign GFS B1-7-NAM). --Lidhe (talk) 12:23, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Can you please do me a favor? I need the pictured "Fluss/River" as dashed symbol, for a dry river „Trockenfluss/Rivier“. Did you store it then please AB-Trockenfluss.svg Thank you!
Fluss/River-Symbol: Fluss --Lidhe (talk) 20:17, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Sure, I will try and make that later today. I also will get back to the SADC signs, I've just been taking a short break. :) Fry1989 eh? 20:30, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
It is not the best, I will try to improve it in the future. File:AB-Trockenfluss.svg. Fry1989 eh? 23:39, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Summary of open SADC traffic signs[edit]

Hi! I once created a small summary of the still open traffic signs.

Simple traffic signs:

Combined traffic signs:

Change request: -

@Fry1989: Status of the list: 19-10-17 --Lidhe (talk) 12:25, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

By now you are really advanced with the IN. Excellent! --Lidhe (talk) 18:40, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Yes, they are still on my list. Regarding SADC road sign R325-NAM, that is not an official sign. The Namibian Gazette shows the same design as used in South Africa. But I will try to make the sign and upload it as an unofficial variation. There are still so many signs to make, however, so I will be taking breaks and working on other countries' road signs and other images to avoid fatigue. Thanks :) Fry1989 eh? 19:22, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Yes, R352-NAM is not an official traffic sign. The User:Chtrede lives in Namibia and has repeatedly pointed out to me (with pictures) that the official traffic sign is not used. There is only a simplified version. --Lidhe (talk) 12:26, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
If it is ok for you, I keep the list up to date. I have now inserted the IN11. —-Lidhe (talk) 17:01, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Danke, I appreciate that very much. I am taking a bit of a break and am going to work on other countries now, but I will return to SADC. However, I will try to do the ones in your list first. Fry1989 eh? 17:36, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Perfekt, vielen Dank! I'm just doing a few little things because at the moment I do not have that much time. That's why it suits you to do something else. —Lidhe (talk) 19:10, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
I hope that it will not be a problem for you if I enter small "change requests". I also make a pattern in a png-file of what I mean exactly. When you change it does not matter. As you have time and desire. Vielen Dank für die ganze Arbeit :-) --Lidhe (talk) 10:21, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
For your most recent set of changes, I am unsure if we should procede. Photos show that the backing board can be grey, the same colour as the signs on it, or be optional. The files currently show this variation. Fry1989 eh? 20:04, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, you're absolutely right. It's exactly the same in chapter 2 as you wrote. This has done the change.
I still have a change request to the sign for bus stops. Without a concrete example such as B13, it is incomprehensible. I'm smarter now, B means bus and 13 is the stop number. So all stops in Namibia are numbered in the city. Danke :) --Lidhe (talk) 18:08, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

RSN flag[edit]

Hello, if you look at photos of RSN flags, you can see that the horizontal portion of the upper left red doesn't have as much space beside the crescent and moon as shown in your version.

I am aware that the 1967 specifies it at a 1x2 ratio, but the flags are actually at a 2x3 ratio, as seen from the the link below. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find a citation for the correct standard as no SAF or RSN website provides it. I have emailed them about the matter and await their reply, until then, I agree with your stand to revert my edit.

Though the photo is slightly distorted due to the angle, it's very obviously not a 1:2 flag. Seloloving (talk) 00:52, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

I thank you for that source. But previous sources also show the flag in 1:2, including [7], [8], [9], [10], and this one which also shows the blue ensign in 1:2. However, this photo shows it in the same 2:3 ratio as the national flag. This suggests to me that the ratio may be optional, or depends on where/when the flag is being used. Further research may be helpful. Fry1989 eh? 17:09, 23 November 2019 (UTC)
Hello. Thanks for linking your sources. I did some amateur measurements and actually, most of the RSN flags were actually 2:3, with the exception of the memorial photo. I suspect it may actually be stretched to allow the placement of the text, but I cannot be definite. Here's a link to my measurements on Inkscape. Seloloving (talk) 02:58, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the digital measurements. I also have a historical photo of the air force ensign in 1:2 from when it was first introduced, but since then it appears to always be in 2:3 like the national flag. So it may also be that 1:2 was the original dimensions but at some time since then it was changed to 2:3. I am not opposed to you changing the file, but would suggest changing the blue ensign as well to keep them consistent. I will do some more research in the future when I can. Fry1989 eh? 19:11, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
@Fry1989 Hello, I know this is a belated reply, my apologies for that. I emailed the Singapore Ministry of Defence nearly 5 months ago and have yet to hear from them. While I am aware that legally, the flags are mandated to be of a 1:2 ratio, I suspect that's a remnant of regulations for flags when Singapore was part of Malaysia, as the latter nation does use the 1:2 ratio for their national flag and ensigns. That said, it's also clear the flags in use today across the Singapore airforce and navy are of the 2:3 ratio, following the national flag of Singapore. Even the civil ensign is depicted as 2:3 here.
However, I am not exactly sure of the Wikipedia convention for flags in situations where the de jure regulation is not followed. As you are the creator of the SVG file (along with countless other imagery), I think you would be more well versed to advise in this unique circumstance. Seloloving (talk) 13:21, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

File:Royal Standard of England (1553–1558).svg[edit]

Ciao, Fry

please can you rename this file File:Royal Standard of England (1553–1558).svg, recently uploaded by me. Reason: year wrong

>>>> ERRATA: 1553; CORRIGE: 1554.

New correct name: "File:Royal Standard of England (1554–1558).svg". See for references: File:Royal Arms of England (1554-1558).svg and date of Mary I Tudor marriage (25 July 1554).

I apologize for my error.

Thank you, ciao, (FDRMRZUSA, talk) 18:41, 11 December 2019 (UTC+1).

Limited height warning and regulatory road signs[edit]

Some of the categories for the signs you're moving related to limited height warnings for trucks combine warning and regulatory messages. That's why I had both types of categories on those images. ----DanTD (talk) 04:08, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

If you list some of the images you are refering to, I will review my edits. Fry1989 eh? 16:56, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Fair enough. Here's a partial list in random order;
Also, though I wonder why there is supposed to be a distinction between "Limited height" and "Overheight" warning signs, I like the "Limited height indication road signs" category you created. ----DanTD (talk) 17:43, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. In the case of "ALL TRUCKS RIGHT LANE", I believe that has more to do with restricting goods vehicles from using the overtaking lane than about height and that the two messages were simply combined on one panel, but I could be mistaken. As for overheight signs, they are a feedback sign to tell dumb drivers when their vehicle is too high as a last resort, whereas the height warning signs list the actual height itself and are based on the presumption that a driver already knows the height of their vehicle and will act accordingly. But if you think they should be in the same category, I will not object. Thank you for the indication category comment. Fry1989 eh? 20:29, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

About Argentine road signs[edit]

Hello Fry1989. Thanks for having properly categorized the images of Argentine road signs that I have recently uploaded. I have only a couple of question.

Firstly I have seen that you removed the "license review" template and added the "public domain - Argentine road sign": are you sure of this ? According to the template the files that are in public domain are only the ones that are published on the Official Bulletin but the files I have uploaded comes from the Manual de Señalamiento Vertical which it is not a law published on the Official Bulletin but only a publication of Vialidad Nacional and so I am not sure that the template will apply to this signs. Luckily the Manual of Vertical Signs (but not the Manual of Horizontal Signs!) is published under CC-BY 4.0 and so it is ok for Commons.

Secondly I have seen that you have tagged the other Argentine road signs already on Commons as "deprecated". In my opinion it is not totally correct since effectively that files depict the ones that are in the Anexo L which are graphically different from the ones from the Manual (the first one are from 1994-1995 while the second are from 2016-2017 if I am not wrong). It wouldn't be better if we keep them as older version of actual signs ?

Greetings, --Civitas13 (talk) 22:09, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Greetings. I am always happy to see another contributor in the field of traffic signs. I am also very happy that you are working on Argentina because that is one that I could not do. I have the 2017 MSV and have had it for a year or two, but the images are all raster and the more complex images lack detailed construction sheets. I do not know how to convert complex images into SVG, so the only signs that I would be able to accurately create would be simple ones such as File:Argentina MSV 2017 road sign R-25.svg or File:Argentina MSV 2017 road sign R-2.svg.
Regarding licensing, I was uneasy about the license review tag. My fear was that some users/admins that work in licensing and have a more narrow interpretation of copyright would question it. But having seen the source for the Creative Commons license, that is no longer a concern. I added the PD-AR-Signs license for good measure. I would expect the new signs to have been published in a national gazette or bulletin, though it is true we do not know for certain. If you believe we should remove that license, I accept that.
In regards to the previous drawings that I have marked as depricated, I did so because I considered them low quality and rudimentary, rather than accurate drawings. But we can also remove the deprication tag if you wish.
One other thing, I have similar documents for Venezuela that I would be happy to send to you, if you would like to work on that after Argentina. They also have raster images without construction sheets, so sadly I can not do that country either. Fry1989 eh? 23:27, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for replying; I think that I will add again the license review template, with not hurry, to be sure 100% not having copyright problems in the future. Just a couple of infos about the drawing of the signs. As you said the image of 2017 MSV are only raster image so the only way (at least for my not so great skills with vector images) to convert in vector file is to make screenshot of 2017 MSV images and retrace patiently them on Inkscape; the great difficult is to reproduce the text and as you can see I haven't uploaded many signs with text since it is very difficult for me to reproduce them. As you can seen I haven't already finished all danger and mandatory signs of Argentina; I think I will do all them in the future but now I have only a few time for drawing images (so for the moment I can't help also with Venezuelan ones, sorry). Regards, --Civitas13 (talk) 08:54, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
That is understandable, and I appreciate your assistance and contribution. I have put the Venezuela PDF booklets in my dropbox. You can keep them for the future, whether you create the signs some day or not. I am happy to share. Fry1989 eh? 19:36, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

House of Plantagenet: new Coats of Arms[edit]

Ciao, Fry

yesterday I uploaded 2 new coats of arms, this:

However, as result of fatigue, I made an orthographic mistake, this:

  • ERRATA: "Castile )" >>> no blank between Castile and bracket.

PLEASE can you rename 2 files listed above? >>> CORRIGE: "Castile)"

New correct name:

  • "File:Coat of Arms of John of Gaunt, First Duke of Lancaster (as claimant King of Castile) type 2.svg";
  • "File:Coat of Arms of John of Gaunt, First Duke of Lancaster (as claimant King of Castile) type 3.svg".

I apologize for my error.

Thank you, ciao, (FDRMRZUSA, talk) 16:39, 28 January 2020 (UTC+1).

Ontario Road Signs Wiki gallery page.[edit]

Hi Fry: How are you? Though it took me a heck of a time to get the hang of this whole WikiMedia, but you bet I am very SUPER-GRATEFUL of your Ontario Road Signs gallery, yet I live in Toronto. I too am awfully loyal, since my high school years, to MTO traffic personnel, and have done lots of research of certain publications, from map panels to manuals.

If ever possible, I really want to help contribute, to help you further add to your galleries with AI/PDF copies of MTO MSL files. I could E-mail attach files for you, that you'd be here-and-there surprised how seriously I've made some in-depth dents, not to mention the changes through DHO-thru-MTO era times. Thanks ahead, yet we'll see from there... :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamieMalecki (talk • contribs) 17:18, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Fix for File:Coat of arms of Tuvalu.svg[edit]

Hi, can you fix File:Coat of arms of Tuvalu.svg? The ribbon looks sightly larger while comparing to the official rendition available at File:Tuvalu Coat of Arms ("Crest").jpg, and you can also see it in this photo. Thanks. -- Great Brightstar (talk) 17:56, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

If you can fix that I hope you can apply the change to File:Flag of Tuvalu (state).svg as well. -- Great Brightstar (talk) 18:00, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

@Great Brightstar:, I will play around with it a little, but I am not sure I can do it satisfactorily. The bottom of the shield also appears to be more conical, and I can't fix that. Fry1989 eh? 16:54, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

New York State Flag[edit]

Hi I was wondering if you would be able to update the New York State Flag. The state senate just voted to add the words "e pluribus unum" underneath "Excelsior", a change that legally goes into effect on November 30th 2020 ( The file that needs updating is the vector file:

There is currently a png file on the "Coat of arms of New York" page that is what the new flag looks like: Thanks Worldwidewebb77 (talk) 20:00, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

I am sorry but that is beyond my abilities. Fry1989 eh? 22:01, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok thank you for the quick responseWorldwidewebb77 (talk) 18:31, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Australian speed signs[edit]

Would it be possible you uploaded the 5 and 8 kmh speed signs for Australia? They are both non-standard units, but are commonly used in parking lots --SlitherioFan2016 (talk) 02:52, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

@SlitherioFan2016:, I will upload them shortly. Fry1989 eh? 16:00, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


Hy can you please nominate this File:Flag map of Pakistan.svg for deletion because it is a copy of you're File:Flag map of Pakistan.svg I believe it should be deleted. Ytpks896 (talk) 10:01, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

They appear to be the same file. Fry1989 eh? 15:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)