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blason du Cambodge 1979/1989

Bonjour, vous avez réalisé un superbe blason de la Republique du Vietnam Coat of arms of Vietnam.svg, pensez vous que vous pourriez dessiner le blason du Cambodge entre 1979 et 1989 s'il vous plait 85px

Merci d'avance bonne soirée --Dunkerqueenflandre (talk) 21:55, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: File:ModTarget.png

I agree with your request of deletion. I'm a new user and I uploaded the file just to add it to my signature, because I didn't know how to resize the SVG file I found in Commons. If you can help me in this, I will be grateful. --RAF roundel.svg QuadropheniaG Talk 10:08, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I have actually already done it for you on the page where you were using the file ModTarget. If you go there, and click "edit", you will see that to resize the SVG file, you add |120px]] in the brackets that show the file. You can use whatever number you want, depending on how big or how small you want it. Fry1989 (talk) 18:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I see. Such an helpful fellow you are. Now my signature is perfect and I learned much about wiki syntax. Thank you very much --RAF roundel.svg QuadropheniaG Talk 16:45, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

It's no problem mate. I've very happy to help you :) Fry1989 (talk) 16:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Gentlemen are not over! --RAF roundel.svg QuadropheniaG Talk 13:32, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Please find a place for these

Dear Fry1989,

Please find a home for these, I made them based on this: The Personal Flags for use in Canada for The Prince of Wales and The Duke of Cambridge All the best! Sodacan (talk) 18:10, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh WOW, thank you so much for creating these. I wasn't aware there were personal flags for other members of the Canadian Royal Family, but they just created these according to the sources. This is awesome :) Fry1989 (talk) 19:53, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Yep, hot off the presses apparently. Hopefully, the others will get theirs when they visit again after this. Sodacan (talk) 20:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Nice. I hope so too, the more the merrier! haha. Fry1989 (talk) 21:14, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
I wish they would have came up with new devices though. I would have replaced the feathers with maple leaves and for William I would have one maple leaf (like the one on the national flag) with his label on it, then crowned with his coronet. Maybe I should make them anyway..... hahahaha, oh well... Sodacan (talk) 21:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
I like those ideas, but I don't mind these. I'm just glad we finally have Canadian standards for the Family when they visit us. Uniquely Canadian labels would be cool. Funny story though, my BF is a Republican, and I'm a Monarchist, so we debate this often lol. Anyhow, I jokingly made a Presidential Standard for him, taking the Queen's Standard, removing the crown, and rotating the E become an M, since his name is Matthew. That was fun, haha. Fry1989 (talk) 22:01, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
True, it is good that they now have a Canadian identity, I just wish it was just more Canadian and more imaginative. Like a beaver or a killer whale- not to have too much of a stereotypical view of your country of course! :P, But I guess that would give me more stuff to do- and I am quite stuffed with requests as it is. Hahaha I wish I could upload all sorts of jokes like this: Beatrice new coat of arms, but even that was completely by mistake! Of all the Realms, Canada seems to be the most loyal, but maybe now there will be a new branch: the Henryites, Long live King Harry of Canada (or Henry V, if you count the French Kings). Sodacan (talk) 22:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Beavers would ROCK! Haha. Yeah, we Canucks are loyal bunch, my BF's an Aussie, so that explains his republicanism hehe. I know you're swamped with requests as you said, but in the future, could you help me out with the labels on the British Royal Standards? I've done as best I can, but they have some issues, the main one being that they're supposed to be perfectly rectangular, but the three bars aren't, and could use a re-doing. Also one of the badges, the Cross of St. George, needs a fix to fit within the bars of the Label on those standards which use it. I really only need to you redesign the 3-point and 5-point label for one standard of each, and I can apply them to all the rest. Fry1989 (talk) 22:52, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I just tested it out, and I can use the 3-point label you created just for for the Canadian Standards on the UK ones. I would still need your help creating a 5-point label. Let me see how I can work it over the next couple days :) Fry1989 (talk) 23:34, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
No problem then, I was just going to say I could do them later :) Sodacan (talk) 23:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Great. I just did the 3-point label, using yours for the new Canadian standards, and I'll upload it on all the ones using 3-point today. If you can make a 5-point for the other ones, based on my version of your 3-point label (mine is rectanguler, rather than pyramid shaped), that would be awesome. Some of the badges I will needs your help too. Unfortunately, I'm moving, so I will be on a wiki-break from Thursday the 30th of June to Monday the 4th of July, so you can wait if you like, or do it in between then, and just notify me here, and I'll see it when I get back. Either way is fine :) Fry1989 (talk) 00:20, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Alrighty. I've uploaded the new 3-point label on all the UK standards that use it, except for File:Royal Standard of Princess Anne.svg and it's Scottish Version. If you would be able to take my new label from File:Royal Standard of Prince William.svg, and apply it to Anne's, and fix the devices that would be great. What I'm trying to go for is the St. George's Cross to fit "exactly" withing the rectangular part of the label. Currently it's shaped weird and unevenly, which you can see when you click on the nodes of the cross. Other than that, if you could just take my new label, and make a 5-point version using it's dimensions, that would be great! You can do it whenever :) Thanks mate Fry1989 (talk) 01:00, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
No worries, at all. I guess the Aussies have their koalas.... Sodacan (talk) 10:15, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi there

Thanks for the advice. I will look requests , but currently I'm working on flags and coats of arms of Bosnia and Herzegovina and Croatia.--Nanin7 (talk) 21:56, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

File:Coat of arms of the Central African Republic (1958-1963).svg

Hello Fry1989, is there an source for your change? -- πϵρήλιο 21:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

I do, but it's hiding from me. In any case, it's a shield of the national flag, the flag doesn't have those borders, neither should the shield. Fry1989 eh? 21:21, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
You know a little about heraldry? A coat of arms is not a flag. Colors mostly do not encounter each other without separation (as you can also see in the current coat of arms). But anyway, I went to the only source, thanks you for your attention. -- πϵρήλιο 21:39, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Here's the source. I forgot the site was in Dutch and French, so Republic comes first, I was looking under C for Central, as the country's name starts in english. [1] Fry1989 eh? 21:41, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
Thats ok, thank you. -- πϵρήλιο 10:55, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

File:Naval Ensign of Ukraine.svg

I received a document specifying the specific Pantone colors of the Ukrainian flag. The blue is supposed to be lighter than what we have used in the past. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 21:25, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

I see. I wish we could recreate the colours seen in File:Flag of Ukraine.jpg, but as I know, translating from a photo to an SVG is rather difficult. Fry1989 eh? 21:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
And that was done in 3D. The document I have is called "ДСТУ 4512:2006 - Державний прапор України. Загальні технічні умови - вперше." and it is from 2006. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 21:42, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Please help

Dear Fry,

Don't know what to do with this: Commons:Deletion requests/File:Coat of Arms of Kate Middleton.svg. If my version resembles too closely the original, I could upload a new one with markable differences, I have no problem with that, but would it really just end there? Sodacan (talk) 22:07, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I have viewed the deletion request, and to be honest, it dumbfounds me. Your file is so different from the BBC News source. It appears that the consensus is for it to be kept, so I wouldn't worry about it. However, if Russavia nominates other files of yours, it may mean he misunderstands the deletion and copyright guidelines, and may need some help learning about it. I myself don't know too much, but I know enough to say that your file should be safe from violation, based on the differences between it and your source. Fry1989 (talk) 22:18, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
The thing is, I usually try not to make files that too closely resembles the source, in order to avoid this type of issue. In this case however I totally forgot in my haste to put a version on Commons. I would be willing to upload an actual derivative with obvious differences of this file, however under the original rationale for deletion this would still not be good enough. Hopefully a compromise could be reached, it would be a shame if Wiki does not have a depiction of the arms for use. Thank you anyways. Sodacan (talk) 22:28, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree it would be a shame. Perhaps if you uploaded over a new version with some other changes, that would satisfy those who fear it's "too close" to the original. Fry1989 (talk) 22:30, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I think that is probably the best solution, the current file is very difficult to defend. If I upload over it and change some source information, it would certainly take some wind out of his arguments. Thanks! (luckily I just got the alternate versions ready just now) ;) Sodacan (talk) 22:43, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Done! Thanks for all the advice, hope this will end it now Sodacan (talk) 23:00, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
No problem mate :) have a good one Fry1989 (talk) 23:22, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Flags of the Texas Navy

I know you're on vacation, but this can certainly wait. I've created svg images of the signal flags used by the Texas Navy including those identifying the Texas Navy ships Austin, Archer, Zavala, Wharton, San Jacinto, San Antonio and San Bernard. I'd like to have a subcategory set up under Historical Flags of Texas to place these, and will try to do that while you're gone. I'd also like to find a spot on the right side of the Wikipedia page under the picture of the ship to place the flags as well, such as for the Austin:

And this brings me to another point. The flag being used to represent the Texas Navy on these pages is incorrect. Image Texas 2nd Naval Ensign.svg is tagged as the second naval ensign of the Republic of Texas used from 1838 to 1846. However, the last two sentences of this article from the official website of the Texas Navy Association states that that version was only created in the past several years and ONLY for ceremonial purposes. It might be necessary to propose re-naming that image. The Wikipedia website correctly identifies the two flags used during the tenure of the Texas Navy, so there are lots of corrections that need to be done. Can you advise as to how to proceed?

Thanks, and I hope you enjoy your time off.--Glasshouse (talk) 14:17, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Hello. I know you're still getting settled in from being away, but I'm wondering what your thoughts are regarding the Texas Navy flags. Thanks! --Glasshouse (talk) 11:12, 26 August 2011 (UTC) 26 August 2011 (UTC)

I will get to it shortly. Fry1989 eh? 20:48, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I see what's going on. I'll have to do a little bit more research, but otherwise, it looks like a rename will be in order and some reorganization of the Texan flags. Fry1989 eh? 01:18, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Great. Thanks again.--Glasshouse (talk) 00:16, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I finally got around to creating the sub-category in "Historical Texas Flags" for the Flags of the Texas Navy. I’m afraid I need your help in renaming a couple, though. I’d like to rename the following:

Flag 2 rename to "2 Flag"

Flag 3 rename to "3 Flag"

Flag 4 rename to "4 Flag"

I think it will be better to use this naming format because the flags actually represent the numbers “2,” “3” and “4” for signaling purposes, and nomenclature such as “Flag 2” sounds like a generic name for any kind of flag in a sequence. The changes would conform to the other signal flag names as well.

Finally, is there a strategy yet for correcting the image of the Texas Navy flag on the Wikipedia pages as mentioned above?

As always, I appreciate your help.--Glasshouse (talk) 01:24, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Crap! I've screwed up another upload. Chief Engineer Lever Beam.svg should be named "Texas Navy Chief Engineer Insignia" to conform with the other items in the Emblems of the Texas Navy. Also, I had trouble with fonts not showing up again, and a couple of the guys from Village Pump tested a couple of uploads that didn't get deleted. Could you delete Texas Navy Sword Guard courier test.svg and Texas Navy Sword Guard Liberation Serif bold 13 test.svg?

Thanks again. I'm sorry to keep bugging you, and if I need to be going to another source, please let me know.--Glasshouse (talk) 00:26, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't have the ability to rename files. I've asked for the right, but I have a stubborn admin who has objected, so I doubt if I will get it this round. Though I guess I will ask for it again in a few months. So until then, you will still have to put a rename tag on your files if you uploaded them with the wrong name. Sorry. Fry1989 eh? 01:01, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

I understand completely, and I'll go through the proper channels to get the changes made. Also, though, when you get a chance, there's still the issue of the incorrect flags being depicted for the Texas Navy. Is there a solution to that?--Glasshouse (talk) 01:43, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Problematic prime-minister's standard

Hi! As far as I know, there is no such Standard of the Prime Minister of Bulgaria. I've never seen such a flag on the facade of the Bulgarian Council of Ministers. Moreover, such a flag can not be found on the website of the Bulgarian government. Would you be able to offer any other relevant source for the existence of this standard of the Bulgarian prime minister? To be precise, the flags on the page can not be found in the official Bulgarian sources. As far as I know in Bulgaria there is no such tradition of specific standards of different state institutions. The national flag is used universally. I understand and appreciate your good will in the creation of Bulgarian symbols, but please note that in certain circumstances the result may be inaccurate and misleading. Best regards, Bulgarian Herald (talk) 18:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

That is my only source, however that doesn't mean it should be automatically discounted. There have been examples where that site has been right, even when there is no official record, an example of this would be the former presidential standard of &Austria. While the flag no longer is used, and when it was: only at military occasions, not civil, I had another user saying it was fictitious, when we later found out that it does in fact exist, or atleast did. This may be the same. It's possible the Prime Minister's flag of Bulgaria is only used within the military as a rank flag. We will have to contact the Bulgarian Government to find out. Fry1989 (talk) 18:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I hope you will agree that it is hardly logical to create images of official state symbols based on foreign unofficial sources, analogies and assumptions. Bulgarian Herald (talk) 18:38, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't believe a site's place of origin is a reason to discount anything, and the site does have many contributers from around the world. As I said, the site has proven itself to be true before. Fry1989 (talk) 18:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I will not have anything against this flag, if someone can prove with official source that it actually exists. Bulgarian Herald (talk) 18:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
That may be difficult, but I assure you, if there is an official source, I will find it. Fry1989 (talk) 18:52, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

This is an excerpt from the Law for the State Seal and National Flag of the Republic of Bulgaria, published on the site of the Bulgarian Parliament:

Art. 16. (1) The national flag of the Republic of Bulgaria shall be constantly hoisted on:
1. the buildings in which the National Assembly, the Presidency, the ministries and the other state establishments, the regional structures of the ministries and the district administrations, the Constitutional court, the judicial power bodies, the National Bank of Bulgaria, the Bulgarian National TV, the Bulgarian National Radio carry out their basic activities, on the buildings of the municipalities, regions and mayoralties, as well as on the state and municipal schools;
2. the entry and exist border and customs check-points;
3. ports, railway stations and airports;
(2) (Amend., SG 69/99) The national flag of the Republic of Bulgaria shall be temporarily hoisted on the buildings where sessions of the National Assembly or sittings of the municipal councils, international conference or sittings, all-national or international sports and other events of national significance are held throughout their duration.
Art. 17. The national flag of the Republic of Bulgaria shall be placed in the front part to the right of the transport vehicles and on the front mast of the navigation vessels when present there are the president of the Republic, the vice-president, the chairman of the National Assembly or the prime minister.

As far as I know, in Bulgaria there are no separate standards for different central institutions. Bulgarian Herald (talk) 19:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. However, as mentioned, it may just be a rank flag in the Bulgarian Military. The again, there is the Presidential Standard of Bulgaria, so that is one example of indeed a separate standard for different institutions. I'm not trying to argue against you that the flag may not exist, but we have to find out, and that will take some time. Contacting both the Bulgarian Government, and the Bulgarian Military, are two ways of doing that. Fry1989 (talk) 19:12, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure that such standard of the Bulgarian President exists. Note that the law prescribes the usage of the national flag also by the Bulgarian Presidential institution. Bulgarian Herald (talk) 19:19, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Well, I will contact the Presidency as well and find out, they have a contact section on the Office's website. Fry1989 (talk) 19:29, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
What the law is getting at where the flag is displayed at the offices of the President; my country has a separate flag for the President but it is not used anywhere except for ceremonial purposes. Some other places like Russia or Belarus do require the presidential flag flown on the building when he is there. Now if you can tell me the Bulgarian word for standard, I can try and see what could be found. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 22:48, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
The word in Bulgarian is "щандарт", but also the word for usual flag "знаме" is possible. You could see some results in Google here, here, here and here. There are no results, connected with the hypothetical existence of the Bulgarian presidential standard. Best regards, Bulgarian Herald (talk) 08:46, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

""I swear I saw a pic long ago of the presidential standard, but I can't find it anymore. I know that doesn't count as a "source", but I'm sure of it. We will have to keep hunting. Fry1989 (talk) 06:56, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Please, don't hunt too long. Bulgarian Herald (talk) 08:46, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Regarding File:Presidential Standard of the Republic of Korea.svg

Hi! Regarding the shades of File:Presidential Standard of the Republic of Korea.svg, I suppose that your "4 sources" refer to those posted on User:Shyoon1's talk page. As you can see from 3 & 4, these two photos of actual flags clearly show the blue of the Presidential Standard to be sky blue, much lighter than the #003478 of the File:Flag of South Korea.svg seen in the same photo. I don't understand why you seem to have a preference for airline markings such as 1 & 2 (curious, these two markings should be from the same airplane shouldn't it?), and earlier ones of Air Koryo which you had used as evidence for the shades of File:Flag of North Korea.svg. These are painted flags, while there are a great deal of photos of actual flags flown in daylight available on the Internet. The official website of the Cheongwadae (see Photo section) for example, has a great deal of photos of the sky blue Presidential Standard indoors, some having the National Flag beside for comparison. Or YouTube, looks almost like the sky blue of the File:Flag of Kazakhstan.svg. --Shibo77 16:15, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I managed to located the law that established the S. Korean Presidential flag and there is a shade of blue mentioned, but cannot seem to get the text copied from the HWP file. I also have the law of the DPRK flag and there is no specific shades of colors either in that one. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 17:41, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Shibo, I'm not using aircraft makings for my references. Those are plaques of the Presidential flag. And that's not the only source. The Presidential seal of the Republic of Korea contains the two pheonixes and hybiscus flower, and that seal is also very clear, a darker blue is used. Fry1989 eh? 19:00, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
The aircraft markings were for his mention on the DPRK flag. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 19:15, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
No, they were for both. He's implying that I take aircraft markings over actual flags, when that's not the case. For the DPRK, I had actual flags as well as Air Koryo markings on my side, and for this, I have actual flags (plaques they may be, but they're not aircraft markings) and the Presidential seal on my side. Fry1989 eh? 19:18, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Where is the source for the presidential seal to which you are referring? I hope you don't mean the derivative work here on commons created by User:NikNaks93, (what is the source for this Presidential Seal anyways, I've only seen the Cheongwadae Seal being used). You have only the one plaque from the Presidential airplane. While it is clear from the numerous photos (possibly all photos available on the Internet) of the actual flag, that the shade is quite light, much lighter than that of the national flag. See these photos from the Cheongwadae website, it is obvious that the Presidential Standard has a shade of sky blue very different from that of the National Flag. Compare those photos with your shade of dark blue for both the Presidential Standard and the National Flag. Is it not obvious? --Shibo77 01:49, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Yes I do mean that seal, and if you want a source, here you go! 1, 2, and there's plenty more of them, and they are all the same dark blue. And actually I have two separate plaques of the flag, look at them again, they're different. Fry1989 eh? 02:03, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
I have "대통령표장에관한건" from the Korean Government but I need a Korean speaker to look at the law and give us a clue. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 02:38, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
In reply to Zscout370, that law doesn't seem to state the shades of the Presidential Standard. In reply to Fry1989, You should put that source on the file page, it is currently stated to be a derivative work, and the derivative works did not cite those two sources you've given. In any case, those sources are for the Presidential Seal, not the Presidential Standard. As for the plaque being different, I really can't tell. (I see the difference now.) Have you seen the photos I've given in the links above? Is it not obvious that the shade of blue of the Presidential Standard is much lighter than that of the National Flag? Therefore, do you not agree that this shade is incorrect, and that the current shade is much truer to the actual flag? --Shibo77 02:59, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
The seal contains the presidential standard as it's design (blue background, two gold phoenixes and a hibiscus), and whether you can tell the different between the two plaques or not isn't my problem. Of course I don't agree with you, or else this conversation wouldn't even be taking place. Clearly there's two shades used, dark blue, and a lighter one for larger flags. That doesn't make one or the other the absolute rule, as you are trying to push. Because the light blue used on the large flags is unclear, I feel we should go with the set darker blue used by all other Korean flags. 03:05, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Sure it does make one better than the other. As I have said, the blue of the Presidential Standard is not the same as that of the National Flag. You yourself have given source #3 which show this to be true. Also, how is it that "the light blue used on the large flags is unclear"? (Okay, this is ridiculous, it is clear as day, can you not access this photo list?) --Shibo77 03:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
I can see the photos perfectly fine! No, that doesn't make one better than the other. Until there is a solid source for what shade that light blue is, going with the shame dark blue as all other Korean flags is not only prudent, it makes sense. You claimed I pick and choose, but that's exactly what you are doing right now, by trying to pretend the sources that disagree with you are somehow wrong. No source, and this is all conjecture. And what is rediculous is that you can't even handle the concept of somebody disagreeing with you on this, even when they have sources that say otherwise. Fry1989 eh? 03:20, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Well I understand that you disagree, but as I have explained to you, the shade of #003478 is incorrect. As you can view the SVG sourcecode for both your version of the Presidential Standard and that of the National Flag, and see for yourself. Your source #1 and #2 are photos of the plaque from the Presidential Airplane. While your source #3 and the photos from the Cheongwadae (Residence of the President) that I have posted, clearly show the light blue shade. Furthermore, your source #3 as well as many photos from the Cheongwadae, show both the National flag and the Presidential Standard, and clearly, the shades of blue are not the same. So I say again, the shade of #003478 "darker blue used by all other Korean flags" that you insist upon, is incorrect. Or, of course, that you consider the current shade of blue of the National Flag to be incorrect? In conclusion, do you not agree that the shade of blue of the Presidential Standard is not the same as that of the National Flag, and that the shade of #003478 that you insist upon is incorrect and should be corrected? Oh and also, YouTube videos from the Cheongwadae. --Shibo77 03:37, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
No, I don't agree with you and I will not until there's an official source, so stop trying to convince me. There are images for both, and what you think about which is right or not is irrelevant. As long as there are contradicting images, we can't trust either until we have an official source, which is what Zscout is looking for. And when that source is translated and figured out, I expect you to respect it if it says dark blue, as you would have me respect it if it says light blue. Fry1989 eh? 03:42, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
The en:Cheongwadae is very much an official source, and also there might not be a law with the Pantone standards. This isn't about selecting which one is better than the other, because your own sources show both the National Flag and the Presidential Standard. The current light blue shade might need tweaking, but I am only saying that the shade is not the same as that of the National Flag, per your source #3 and the Cheongwadae photos, which are very much official. --Shibo77 03:47, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Why have you removed my reply? --Shibo77 03:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Because I told you, there are official pics showing both!!!!! Until Zscout's government document which specifically states what the blue actually is, we can't trust either sources, my dark ones, or your light ones. Pics are pics, but an official document that states what the blue is supposed to be is the source we will follow. Now, leave my page alone, you're not going to convince me with 10 photos or 1000. I want the official source that Zscout is working on. That is what I will respect. I will NEVER agree with you based on pics alone, so STOP trying to convince me! Fry1989 eh? 03:54, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Okay, sorry that I cluttered your talk page! Cheers! --Shibo77 03:58, 28 October 2011 (UTC) is the Law in question, but need a Korean speaker to actually look at it. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 04:57, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the color of the Presidential Standard: there is not any specific color code indicated on the announcement. (BTW, the document linked by Zscout370 is a presidential announcement, not a law.) there is just an indication that the background of the flag is 鴉青色/아청색, which is a shade of blue--literally translated as crow feather blue, and my dictionary says the prussian or navy blue as a proper english translation--and the color for pheonices and hibiscus, 金色/금색, or gold.
I have to say, as a native Korean speaker and a citizen of South Korea, seeing the standard numerous times in the video footages and/or newspaper pictures, the background color of the presidential standard is not as same shade of dark blue as the background of other governmental standards. It is lighter--but not light as you can say it sky blue--it is rather a little bit greenish blue shade similar to cerulean. --Nudimmud (talk) 13:21, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Norwegian Low Visibility Roundel

Fry can you tell me how you elminated the white lines on Norwegian roundel, when you did your Transparent upload Thanx Jetijones (talk) 18:14, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

It's a little tricky, I only just figured out how to do it myself recently. The white lines you had over the gray roundel to split it up were strokes. So you what have to do is click on each stroke, and then click in the top menu: Path->Stroke to Path. Once all your strokes are transformed to paths, you click on the white line, and the gray roundel together, and then click in the menu again Path->Difference, which will cut out from the gray roundel, what the white line is covering over. Fry1989 eh? 19:46, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Why not just use a dashed stroke? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 20:21, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Because the white strokes aren't part of the roundel. Fry1989 eh? 20:30, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
No, I meant the grey concentric circles, there's no need to split them at all. Neither is there a need to outline any paths. KISS in all things :) --Fred the Oyster (talk) 21:49, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
IDK how to do that though. Fry1989 eh? 21:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Right click on the circle path -> fills and strokes -> stroke style, then choose the dash style you want. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 22:05, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Excellent, thanx guys Jetijones (talk) 00:14, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Libya flag DR

I was jogging my memory and seen what countries have discarded a flag, yet went back to it in the future, and the only one I could come up with now is Tuvalu. talks about going back to the same flag and on here at the Commons, we have two versions so I think this could be something that could be applied to the Libya situation. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 23:05, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Tuvalu's situation is rather complicated, but I'm not sure how we could translate that to the Libya situation? Fry1989 eh? 23:10, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
Same flag, but used during two different time periods (same with the Libya flag). User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 06:15, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
And with Libya too, we know the draft constitution has the same specifications as the older flag, but we just do not know yet. Look how long it took us to change the image from the Gaddafi green flag to the NTC flag from the 1950's. Time is something should be our guide for that image. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 02:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
That is acceptable to me. However, I'm sure you could understand my aversion to us having 3 of the same thing. Some others did not. Fry1989 eh? 02:15, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
We only did Libya (2011) so projects could decide if they want to use the Gaddafi flag or not, plus some users took the CIA image which turned out to be very inaccurate. Once we knew Libya went NTC, changed the Flag of Libya.svg image and deleted the 2011 flag and made it a redirect to the main image. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 02:19, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes, but I had to go through a huge fight with alot of people before it was deleted. Too many felt it should stay, without giving any real reasons to keep 3 of the same thing in the same format. Fry1989 eh? 02:21, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Mostly due to so many wikis using it, and the uncertainty of it all. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 06:16, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

State Military Crest of Texas

Each time I look at this image, I get the feeling that the crest of the State Military Crest of Texas is not in proper proportion to the torse upon which it sits. I don't know what guidelines or regulations, if any, pertain to the size of the torses for these state military crests, but I get the feeling that if the torse and crest were no wider than each other, it would look to be more proportionally correct as a whole. I'm not going to go and change anything that anyone else has created, especially if I'm the only one who feels that an adjustment might help, but I am curious to know if it's just me, or do you see it as well?--Glasshouse (talk) 15:31, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Feel free to play around with it, but I'm not sure how to correct it myself unless you can show me an image. Fry1989 eh? 20:41, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I assumed that when I made a chage to this file in Wikimedia that it would carry over to the same image that is in Wikipedia,, because I assumed that Wikipedia linked to Wikimedia for this image. Am I mistaken? Does the Wikipedia image need to be corrected individually? It looks like it's now scrunched from the top to the bottom. I really have no idea what's going on here.--Glasshouse (talk) 01:28, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

No, the file is hosted completely on Commons. However, some times when they are updated here, it acts funny on other projects where it is being used. Usually it doesn't happen, and when it does, it will work itself out. Another way to fix it, is remove the image from the project where it's being used, save the page, and then put it back in. The "scrunch" will go away. I can do that for you if you like. Fry1989 eh? 01:31, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
I have fixed it for you. You can see my edits on history section, to see how it worked. Fry1989 eh? 01:34, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Great! Thank you very much.--Glasshouse (talk) 13:00, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Presidential Flag of Croatia

What is wrong with my file? Just click on any picture (for example: on link provided with my picture (, and compare with my picture. Is it so difficult before reverting?--MaCroatian squares Ljubicic.pngGa 06:42, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Government sites' "examples" are rarely accurate. It's not a good example. Fry1989 eh? 20:40, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
You call the pictures with 3508×4961 pixels "site examples"? Signed by graphic designer? You are kidding, aren't you?--MaCroatian squares Ljubicic.pngGa 05:30, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
No, not at all. Fry1989 eh? 05:31, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I think you are.--MaCroatian squares Ljubicic.pngGa 14:24, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
No, I'm very serious. Fry1989 eh? 21:24, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, learn Croatian language, and go to Parliamen website and read the Decision. I can't convince you that the sky is blue.--MaCroatian squares Ljubicic.pngGa 13:25, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Don't use that attitude with me. I'm tired of people thinking that just because I disagree with them on something, it has to be my fault because I'm not a citizen of their country, or I don't speak their language, or other xenophobic BS. Fry1989 eh? 21:03, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Three of us knows and see that sky is blue, but you are still the Doubting Thomas. Sorry, I can't help you, think whatever you want. Have a nice blue day!--MaCroatian squares Ljubicic.pngGa 21:47, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
This is the official graphic representation of the Croatian flag as of September 2011, approved by the Office of the President and other factions of the Government. I will have to look at my 2009 book by Zeljko Heimer and see what changes were made, but this change is official. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 05:34, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Zscout, thank you very much. I appreciate it! --MaCroatian squares Ljubicic.pngGa 14:24, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I uploaded the first version of Presidential flag (my ex-username is Suradnik13) and I know that the new version is better than older. On the website of the Croatian Parliament, on the link proveded above, it's clearly written: "Predsjedništvo Hrvatskoga sabora je u rujnu 2011. godine donijelo odluku da se izrade i objave grafički standardi za grb i zastavu RH te zastavu Predsjednika RH. Takva odluka je donesena radi potrebe da se objavi jedinstveni model za svako od ovih državnih obilježja kako bi se izbjegla dosadašnja situacija da su u javnoj uporabi njihove brojne inačice sačinjene raznim tehnikama." (Presidency of the Croatian Parliament in September 2011. adopted a decision to developed and published graphic standards for coat of arms and flag of the Republic of Croatia and the flag of the President. Such a decision was made due to the need to publish a unique model for each of these state attributes in order to avoid the current situation that the public use of their numerous variations is made ​​with different techniques.)--Ex13 (talk) 10:41, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Come on Fry, this is the sort of behaviour you promised to discontinue at the recent RfC. Surely there must be a point of compromise? Assume good faith and all that. If the official Government website is saying it should be whatever colour then shouldn't good faith be that there's a good chance the Government is right about what colour their own flag is? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 19:00, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


Dear Fry1989

I have a dilemma. I would like to use your Croatia_EU.svg image for non comercial purposes, but I have found on the net many other photos that are same as yours e.g.

How can I be sure that these authors are not going to sue me if I use your photo? In another words is this Croatia_EU your own work and is it protected enough by this CC licence? And how come these other authors are selling it, where you are giving it for a free use?

Thank You

The file File:Croatia EU.svg is freely licensed for all uses. I don't think you will have to worry about the creators of the other images suing you, because the map is made of free information, as it's a simple map of Croatia, and the European Union flag. However, if anybody did poke at you for using it, all you would have to do is direct them to this file, and tell them it's simple common-property information. The others may wish to sell the files they created, but I never hold such restrictions to any of my work :) Fry1989 eh? 21:52, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Flags of Finland

If you can English, look at an article of the Foreign Ministry of Finland: The Finnish flag (Finland's Permanent Mission, United Nations, New York) and then correct the flags of Finland. please. --WPK (talk) 13:19, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

If my colour matching skills are to be believed (yeah right!)
   Pantone Light Cerulean (379) (#8ad0e7)
seems to be an appropriate colour based on those flags referred to above. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 14:18, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
I mean the shield of the coat of arms on the flag, it does not changed just 1978, but already 1920. --WPK (talk) 17:58, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
The red of the shield is
   #F32638 when sampled directly from the image
. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 18:51, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
It is not the matter of the colours, but the form of the shield of the coat of arms on the flag! So, please read from here: As soon as the seal committee had almost completed its work in early 1920, it faced another ”backlash”. At this point, the Government decided to remove the crown from the head of the lion on the coat of arms. In summer 1918, a crown had seemed to be appropriate, because Finland was meant to be a kingdom but since in a republic, the crown did not appear befitting. This brought about changes also in the official flag of the state, but the removal of the crown was not possible in no time. The place of the coat of arms in the flag had to be raised for reasons of symmetry. Therefore the Ministry for Foreign Affairs was not able to deliver the official models of the Finnish flag to foreign missions until at the turn of 1920-21. --WPK (talk) 19:08, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Everything should stay the way it is. There'snothing wrong with the flags as they are. Fry1989 eh? 21:05, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Looking at that article there are already two shades of blue there none of which match the description of "sea blue", they are all far too dark. Especially when compared to the pictures and descriptions linked to above. The above blue is far closer to the description. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 21:24, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
The blue of the Finnish flag during the regency is an issue, but the changes to the colours of shield must stop. Fry1989 eh? 21:26, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
On the flags article I don't know who came up with the notion that "sea blue" is similar to navy as it most certainly isn't. But this is exactly why I don't like doing flags. Anyway, there are 2 shades of crimson in the shields on the flags article but both are very close to each other. Other than that I'm buggered if I'm going to get involved in this one. Part of my new behaviour plan as practice for getting unblocked on en :) --Fred the Oyster (talk) 21:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Good luck, but as you may have noticed, they enjoy shooting the messenger rather then dealing with the problem. Fry1989 eh? 21:50, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Honourable Fry1989, I suppose You can read and understand:

As soon as the seal committee had almost completed its work in early 1920, it faced another ”backlash”. At this point, the Government decided to remove the crown from the head of the lion on the coat of arms. In summer 1918, a crown had seemed to be appropriate, because Finland was meant to be a kingdom but since in a republic, the crown did not appear befitting. This brought about changes also in the official flag of the state, but the removal of the crown was not possible in no time. The place of the coat of arms in the flag had to be raised for reasons of symmetry. Therefore the Ministry for Foreign Affairs was not able to deliver the official models of the Finnish flag to foreign missions until at the turn of 1920-21.
Source: The Finnish flag (Finland's Permanent Mission, United Nations, New York)

and You can see and think: Red Army Finnish flag Winter War.png (winter 1940, 38 years before 1978)
Sincerely, --WPK (talk) 04:07, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

No need for insults. Fry1989 eh? 20:50, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

File:Flag of South Africa 1928-1994.svg

In your edit summary, you stated "flags in the middle need a proper doing". I recently redrew the flags in the middle according to specifications at [2], but if you would explain more fully what you think needs to be changed, I'll be glad to do it. Alkari (?), 25 November 2011, 23:08 UTC

The flags in the center need to be more like [3] and [4], with a border around them to distinguish the little flags' white from the white centre of the main flag (although I wouldn't personally do the border so thick, maybe half or 3/4). I would do it myself, but I'm still a learner. File:Flag of the United Kingdom (3-5).svg is the ratio of the UK flag you will need so it's symmetric with the File:Flag of Transvaal.svg, and I think File:Flag of the Orange Free State.svg is good the way it is. If you can completely remake it using these 3 files, that would be great. Thanks. Fry1989 eh? 23:18, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
I've added the borders per your examples. The British flag, as far as I can tell, actually needs to be 2:3 and not 3:5 ("The [middle] flags shall be of the same size and their shape shall be proportionally the same as the National Flag" [5]). I used your updated shade for all the blue, including in the middle flags. If there are still problems, let me know and I'll see what I can do. Alkari (?), 26 November 2011, 01:14 UTC
I thank you, but the borders still look a bit too thick. As for the flags, they really should be completely re-done some time, as there are problems with the Union Jack. I'm not sure about the proportions, I just know that the Union Jack and flag of Transvaal should be the same for symmetry reasons, so I'll trust your source about them being proportionate to the main flag. The colours also need some work, but I'm trying to find those myself, and I can set the new colours when I'm sure of them. Fry1989 eh? 01:21, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
OK – I've reduced the width of the border; hopefully the new version is to your liking. As for the Union Jack, I already redid it in October per the construction sheet at [6]. If you think there are still problems, could you elaborate? Alkari (?), 26 November 2011, 21:51 UTC
No, that's great, thank you. Fry1989 eh? 21:52, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Does your day need some ironic humour?

Check out... Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Venezuela passport l (1).jpg#File:Venezuela passport l .281.29.jpg --Fred the Oyster (talk) 11:08, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for that, omg that was almost as good as sex. Fry1989 eh? 20:52, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Flag map of Navarre

I didn't understand your last edit summary. I haven't been asked to do anything by anyone. The reason I reverted you is that your image is technically incorrect. There are several technical errors with the code. It doesn't have valid SVG and if you open it in any other editor than Inkscape it becomes totally uneditable. If you can explain the differences between yours and mine I'll incorporate them into mine and provide a technically correct version. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 23:49, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

No no no, I didn't mean you were asked to. But the file was vandalized many times by User Miguillen, he's under the impression one version of the flag is better than the other, and has been trying to force his prefered version for some time, but has never posted a source. I used File:Flag Of Navarre.svg, but he wont let anyone use it (and has been focing it on all Wikipedia projects), and wants File:Bandera de Navarra.svg. That's the problem. Fry1989 eh? 23:59, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
The only thing the sources and says is that the coat of arms of Navarra is in the center of the flag (and the flag is rectangular). I have not found the exact specs or design of the flag but from what I can tell at is the same red used for the flag is used for the arms. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 04:00, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Zscout, that's not the problem. It is this: I created the file File:Flag map of Navarre.svg, Miguillen then came along and tried changing it, but never did give a source, so I kept rejecting his changes. He later uploaded his version separately as File:Wikiproyecto Navarra.svg. As there are two files, ignoring that Mguillen still has no sources for his claims, we don't need them to be identical. People are supposed to be allowed to choose and play around with what they like (except for the official files, such as File:Flag of Mauritius.svg which has to match the law), and Mguillen is taking away that choice for people, pushing the version he thinks is the most accurate or whatever else. Fry1989 eh? 04:06, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
I won't be able to look at the code or play with the SVG file until later on this week once I get my drawing tools back. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 04:13, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I leave here a picture that sums up my position on this because I suspect that the main problem is I do not understand .. It is true that the tone of the red flag is not specified but there is a worldwide standard tones FIAV and the coat of arms there are two versions use different tones depending on whether the shield is embroidered (example 1) or painted (example2) . the coat is usually red in some cases like the flag or lighter. In the photos it is difficult to assess accurately the tone. But the relief effect using different shades of one color is not permissible to own common sense part that is not correct heraldic format is not present in any flag. Greetings and I hope this clarifies my position.--miguillen (talk) 17:00, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Explicación relieve corona.svg
Seve here's a better representation but also displays a coat of arms embroidery. Try to find a shield painted with the most appropriate for a graphical representation here and whose difference is better shown in a painted edges. Otherwise no effect where you see highlighted in any representation which is held in any way that image. The problem is that the map with the flag of Navarre at the time I created with the sole intention of using it as a Wikiproject logo on wikipedia in Spanish but when used in navigation templates encyclopedia articles appearing in requires a certain rigor as they give less room for artistic endeavor. In no case is any attempt to impose my personal version and also keep in mind that in all versions including that there is 94% want to use what I have outlined though neither I nor atriubuye is something that I care too I was the crown to adjust to that version (see the history of the coat of Arms) and the rest is my version. But this shield has limited use because the version present in the Foral Decree of 1985 uses color (that is perfectly referenced with the relevant Gazette BON).--miguillen (talk) 11:56, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

I think that this comment was very nice and constructive. Perhaps if you tried to clearify source like I did when or if someone disputes the license then discussion would end in 2 minutes instead of going on for many days? You have proven that you know a lot about seals etc so it would be sad if you did not share your knowledge with us.

I would also like to mention this edit as a good one. I think it is a good move to ask before you move + tell why you think it is safe to move. I don't expect you to love Magog or tell him that you do but I would really appreciate it if you accept that he is not here to annoy you or anyone else but to help ensure that all the files we have on Commons are truly free. To tell you the truth I thought Magog was a pain in the ... to begin with but after talking to him and thinking of his edits I think that he is mostly right. And in some cases I made him change his mind with the right arguments.

And I know that these was not the only good edits - I just wanted to let you know that I'm not only here to "look for bad stuff". So thank you. --MGA73 (talk) 15:21, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I noticed you removed a not very nice comment and if you check his contribs on Commons you will notice that he has almost not been active the last few days. --MGA73 (talk) 23:40, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I was impatient. One of my more common failings. Fry1989 eh? 23:41, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Licking his wounds? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 00:02, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Flags and dupes

Please don't tag similar, but not identical, images of flags with {{duplicate}}. Duplicates should only be exact, and with a flag something as subtle as a minor colour difference may be important. Furthermore, if someone has created a flag that you consider to be incorrect and there is another flag image here that is correct; don't upload the "right" image over the "wrong" one - see Commons:Avoid overwriting existing files.

If a flag image is incorrect, then of course it should be deleted. However, that's a matter for a full Commons:Deletion request as discussion is needed to decide if it really is wrong (you could be mistaken, it could be an obsolete but correct version, it could be an acceptable version for an obscure use - etc). And the deletion reason is "the flag is wrong" not "this flag is a copy of that flag".

As for replacing usage of the file on Wikimedia projects, you can request that at User talk:CommonsDelinker/commands (or perhaps note it on the deletion request) - and ideally stating the reason "this flag is wrong, replace it with this one".--Nilfanion (talk) 00:08, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Incidentally with files like File:Flag of Austria (state, variant).svg, your new version may actually be a copyright violation - as its derived from File:Flag of Austria (state).svg without attributing any of its authors. That is likely not an issue with a PD-tagged file, but its still unseemly.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:10, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I am well aware of how the system works. I don't need a tutorial. I have requested requested Commons Delinkers and they're often denied for trivial reasons. There is one ratio for the Austrian flag, and one version of the Arms per the Constitution, that is what I am trying to effect. It's not a copyvio by any standard however, for various reasons not excluding that the flags are PD under Austrian Law, and also released PD here on Commons for all purposes. Fry1989 eh? 00:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
My point is don't request {{duplicate}}s when a full deletion request is the right thing to do, don't drastically change a file just because "its wrong". Rejected delinkers are unfortunate, but mean you probably should make a better case as to why its needed.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:16, 2 December 2011 (UTC) is the information of the Austrian flag. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 00:23, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
As I said, there is one proper ratio. Fry1989 eh? 00:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
More pointing so about the colors, but yes there is only one ratio for the Federal Service flag, which is 2:3 according to (§ 3. 3). The non-state flag, which is also the sea flag, also has a ratio of 2:3 User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 00:45, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
The colours are an issue of contention for many. Fry1989 eh? 00:55, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I have not seen one in the 2 years this color shade was used for; as for the source being down it was moved to which is directly linked from User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 00:59, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Well, it says Pantone O32 C, so I guess we have to respect that. But the ratio is the main issue I have had with the "Variants". Fry1989 eh? 01:01, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I fixed the ratio of that variant since I am not aware of any 3x4 flag for Austria. The only thing I just don't know is the detail of the arms. The law I saw and downloaded shows a very detailed arms for the flag, but Peter Deim is an expert on Austrian symbols and has done a lot of research about the flag and he has a preferred version of the arms to use. I just don't know a lot to make a certain decision on what arms to use. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 01:04, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Zscout, it's 032c, not 032 according to your document. Fry1989 eh? 01:14, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, it is 032 C (I just forgot the C). But for the Pantone colors used for the files, we use since it is not program dependent and can be verified by others. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 01:17, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I know that, because I had the same issue with Singapore long ago, and I got 032c for that flag from the Pantone site as well. You're using 032 (no C). Fry1989 eh? 01:18, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Most of my Singapore books are at home and not in my dorm, but it is Pantone 032 C (some places will just use Pantone 032 or Red 032 Pantone without the C). User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 01:21, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
The proper 032 C is what I set the Singaporean air force roundels to, as well as several of the flags such as File:Civil Ensign of Singapore.svg before you reverted it back to 032 (minus the C), that is how I know you're using the wrong one for the Austrian flags now. I got that colour from the Pantone website. You're using the wrong one, you're using 032. Fry1989 eh? 01:27, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Don't you remember? When the issue of the Singaporean flag's colours came up, we found the law says 032, I asked for 032 C as a subcolour of 032 because it's closer to the flag in observation, and you said no, that it had to be 032 without the C because that's what the Singaporean Government says. That's why you're using the wrong colour, because what you're using right now is the same as we have on the flag of Singapore, which is 032. Fry1989 eh? 05:25, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
But when I opened the source code of the Pantone website for 032 C, it comes out as ED2939 for the hexadecimal colors. I also tried to see if there is an 032 just for Singapore and there is none. But I sometimes feel that, in practice, what Pantone is online is not what we see in actual cloth. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 20:18, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Has it ever occurred to you boys that if you haven't got regularly calibrated monitors then you are both looking at different shades of any colour anyway. Us pros spend a fortune on high-end monitors and colour calibration gear for a reason you know ;) --Fred the Oyster (talk) 20:24, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes Fred, I understand that. However, that wouldn't explain away why on my monitor, the flag of Singapore and Austria are identical right now, if they're supposed to be two different shades. What I did during the Singapore issue was look up 032c on the Pantone website, and directly copy and paste it into my inkscape. That is how I know it is different from 032. Zscout reverted the Singaporean flags back to 032, so they shouldn't be identical to the State Flag of Austria, but they are. That's how I know something isn't right. Fry1989 eh? 21:31, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Are you aware though that there is no Pantone 320. There are 8 variants on 320, 320 C only being one of them (M, EC, HC, U, CP, UP and PC). All the 320 x variants have a letter after their name depending on what shade, what finish etc. Likewise, getting the hex value from the webpage is not an exact match to any pantone colour. Depending on the colour, it will relate to the shade, the finish and to the surface that colour appears on. To get the exact colour you need to use a pantone aware software prog that recognises pantone colours, eg Photoshop, Illustrator etc. You can approximate pantone colours using RGB, LAB, CMYK etc, but you can't match them. This is why you need calibrated monitor as well as a pantone colour sheet to get the right colour. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 22:15, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Fred, that may be, but my point is, if one is 032 and the other is 032c, then the flag of Singapore and State Flag of Austria can not be identical. Fry1989 eh? 22:22, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Whereas my point is that there is no pantone 320 shade, and until we know what shade is actually the one being talked about then who knows what the hell Singapore is, apart from being different of course. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 22:41, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
But we DO know what 032 and 032c are, because I already dealt with the two shades last year with Singapore. 032 is what the Singaporean national flag currently is set to. 032c is what File:Singapore Army Service Flag.svg is currently set to. The army flag is what the Austrian flags should be set to. Fry1989 eh? 22:48, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
To go off Fred's suggestion, I do have Corel Draw X5 and what it came up with for Pantone 032 C is F02137 in hexadecimal. So, at least from what I got, it has a lighter color almost like pure RGB red (f00). As for Singapore itself, I am not sure how they came up with 032 but from what I was able to hear from their office that deals with National Symbols, a Symbols Kit is being revised and I am due a copy of it when released to the public. Plus, as I stated before, all of my books and materials on Singapore are at my home and I can see them again in about 2 weeks (once I get finished with finals). User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 23:02, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Are we sure we are all on the same page here? Pantone Solid Coated numbers (3-figure number fallowed by a letter denoting the substrate) start at 100, I'm not an expert on pantones and I don't keep their numbers in my head so I could be wrong here. But if you got to Pantone's colorfinder search page and search for 032 C it will generate an error. Additionally, there is no Pantone colour that doesn't have an extension. Even more additionally there is very little difference (subjectively) between any single number and its variant regardless of the letter. 320 C and 320 U are, to all intents and purposes the same colour. Their only variation is so that they'll show the same colour when printed on different paper (C = glossy paper, U = matter or uncoated paper). There certainly isn't enough difference for the average person to identify a difference between flags with colours 320 C and 320 U. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 23:29, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Guys, I know what your saying. I also know that right now, when you search of 032c on the Pantone website, it generates an error, but last year it did work, and what it gave me is what is on the Singaporean Army flag right now. Unless you have anything to the contrary, I don't see why we can't adjust the Austrian flags to match what I set the Singapore Army flag to back on June 1st 2010. Fry1989 eh? 23:35, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I sampled the red of the png rendered version ofFile:Singapore Army Service Flag.svg and the closest red it came to was 1795 C (approx #d3222a, albeit a midge's dick shade lighter), the svg uses #ce1126, which is also pantone 1795 C. Whereas the red of the Austrian flag png is Pantone 1788 C (#f12938), and the svg #ed2939 also pantone 1788 C. So it seems to me that neither flag is the same, and neither flag is right. So what's the next stop? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 00:07, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Reason why Pantone's search won't work is what Pantone is calling that colour now. If you look carefully you'll see calls it "Pantone Red 032 C" (emphasis mine). Therefore you need to search for "Red 032" not "032". :)--Nilfanion (talk) 00:10, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Heheheh, I just found that myself independently, so yes I can concur, it's "Pantone Red", which is #f32837. There is definitely no 032 with no suffix though. So, it seems both flags are both not Pantone 032 C. It seems a strange colour to pick for a fabric though, as that colour is supposed to be for glossy paper, I would have though 032 U was the closer colour to what they wanted. I suppose that's the Austrians politicians for you. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 00:21, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, You have to use Red 032 (just like with Yellow, you have to use Yellow 012 in order to get a result). I intend on getting the images fixed, but I am not sure when I can do it. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 00:47, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Ahh, they renamed the colour (rolls eyes). Anyhow, as you can see, it is different from what the Singapore and Austrian flags are currently set to, like I was telling you. It's more red than pink. Fry1989 eh? 00:57, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Red 032 C sir :P. The C is actually important as there is also a CP too, which strangely enough is slightly pinky. CP is a bridge colour, ie it's supposed to show you what 032 C is supposed to look like when printed by a CMYK device. 032 C isn't possible to print out using the basic 4 process colours, it's what's called a spot colour and has to use a specific coloured ink. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 01:03, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Yeah and I understand that. Sometimes I can just never tell why a color was chosen. I know from personal experience, I set the colors for the Arkansas state flag and had it codified into law. I had to sit there and figure out what colors would even work best for the flag, but since it is only red, white and blue I figured just follow the document DDD-F-416F and left it at that. I know a neighboring state Oklahoma completely butchered their Pantone specs but trying to convince them is...not going well. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 01:09, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
You're not the only one Zscout. Sometimes I think countries deliberately pick unflattering and odd colours. Mauritius is an example. The way the colours were suited the design very well, there was nothing wrong with it. Then they had to gum it up and chose new ones. Serbia, Thailand, United States, Ecuador, and others. They really should leave these things to aesthetic experts. Fry1989 eh? 01:22, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Ecuador was asking me to standardize their flag, but more specifically begged me to drum into the heads of many of us in the flag community (and the world at large) that the flag ratio is 2:3 and never was at 1:2 at all. It has been a year or so since I did that and have a treasure trove of documents I wish I can upload. Thailand uses Munsell colors and those always been a PITA to use. The USA was determined by color experts, but each swatch is like 50 Dollars from what I found out (and they refuse to respond to letters or emails). I have no comment about Serbia, but I can tell that Mauritius caused a lot of headdesking once the colors were announced. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 01:34, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) The other thing that has come out of this is that the wikimedia renderer isn't rendering the colours into png properly. I haven't looked up the relevant mediawiki page but I'm guessing the files are being rendered to 8-bit files rather than 24-bit. This also means either that they are poo-pooing the efforts of guys like you who try to get it exactly right or that the renderer is even more broken than we thought.
It also begs another question. Vector graphics best serve people who want to print things out so wouldn't it be more appropriate to use CMYK colour spaces (and proofing in software) rather than RGB as is presently done? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 01:41, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
I tried using CMYK before on flags, I met a lot of opposition and was constantly reverted. It is either RGB or Pantone from what I seen here over the years. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 01:43, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
TBH svg doesn't support pantone, it only supports the RGB equivalent (which isn't that accurate), mind you for that matter it doesn't support CMYK either. It's the software's proofer that does the CMYK and pantone support then has to convert it to RGB for output. Svg is a bit of a bastard specification as it's a vector that is geared up for screen output, not print output, yet computer screens/output (with the exception of printers) don't support native vector output. Weird. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 01:59, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
I personally have no issue with rendering. As for Ecuador, I meant how before, they used the same shades of red blue and yellow as Colombia and Venezuela, but then they changed it. The ratio change was not a concern. Fry1989 eh? 01:45, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
The rendering isn't being done accurately so why bother to go to great pains to get it right if people aren't going to see the result. IME most people click on the different resolutions, not the svg link. Oh and IMHO that Mauritius flag looks abysmal in both variants, talk about putting clashing colours together in one flag then going the whole hog and putting them next to each other. <shudder> I'd get sacked and lose clients if I did that. There are far too many primary colours used in flags. Use more pastels I say! --Fred the Oyster (talk) 01:50, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so we can't all agree ;) But The new colours for Mauritius I think clash alot more than the previous setting. But to answer your semi-rrhetorical question about why we should bother, I'd say that yes, we may not always get it right, and yes it may be an uphill battle sometimes, but atleast we're not like the CIA World Factbook, if you catch what I mean ;) (some of their flags are horrendous O.O) Fry1989 eh? 02:09, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

(Unindent not to interrupt your conversation!) I don't have any issues with this now, and good to see meaningful discussion. Which is exactly why a deletion request would have been better in first place, as you could have said why the 4:3 was wrong - and may have sparked a similar discussion at the DR. If I had just deleted we would have lost this variant with its different CoA (which may or may not be incorrect).

I'd suggest changing Template:PD-AustrianGov/layout to use File:Flag of Austria (state).svg instead - as that's surely the "default" version.--Nilfanion (talk) 01:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Northern Mariana Islands Seal

Thought I'd get this out of the way: File:Seal of the Northern Mariana Islands.svg. Improvements welcome. Connormah (talk | contribs) 06:27, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh wow, Christmas truly has come early Fry1989 eh? 06:32, 10 December 2011 (UTC)


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User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 08:09, 13 December 2011 (UTC)


I see you got your archive started. If you have any questions, you could look at mine -- or ask me -- I'd be delighted to help.

More broadly, if you could just mellow out a bit, I'd be cool -- I was really put off by the four items I cited on AN-UP. I surely know that some of our colleagues can be a real pain, but part of our job -- me as an Admin, you as a very experienced user -- is to put up with the real pains and not get into insulting them.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 23:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Rd232 was right about one thing for sure, I have become a bit jaded. I've been here a long time, and I've put alot of myself into Wikipedia and Commons. It's easy to become detached. Fry1989 eh? 23:10, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
When I get too passionate about one image, I remind myself that we have 11 million images. My guess is that 1% of those, 100,000 or more, shouldn't be here. So I cool down about the one and move on.      Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk to me) 23:20, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
As for an archive, I just let a bot do it. See the top of my talk page and copy the code. Change the parameters if you want, but that makes it simple and you don't have to remember to do it. As for some of the issues you and I have, lets agree NOT to use photographs as sources for updating of colors from this point forward. If you have any question about images, either copyrights, blazons or just anything else, contact me here at the Commons, use email or even outside pages (like Facebook) is an idea. You and I work in the same area and we both have the same goals, but from what that thread I saw, it is just the way you went about it sometimes is not good. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 00:22, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
I see the code on your page for the bot. But I don't know how to configure it for mine so it will set a bunch of archives. Right now I just have one archive page, but eventually it will be too big and I will need a second, like you have 5. Fry1989 eh? 00:28, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Or will it do that automatically by itself? Fry1989 eh? 00:29, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Automatic. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 00:32, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
ah :) Fry1989 eh? 00:36, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Copied it. Can you check to make sure it's right? Fry1989 eh? 00:40, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Wait a week and see if the bot comes on by. Also, contact me on my talk page for the mentoring stuff please. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 00:42, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


Hello, you created a lot of flag-map, I like the SVG flag map. But I do not have SVG. That's why I asked you, could you make SVG flag map of Greater Romania, the Great Italy, Bavaria and Wales? Дмитрий-5-Аверин (talk) 16:11, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I would love to. You can expect it soon. Fry1989 eh? 19:53, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I have done Romania at File:Flag map of Greater Romania.svg. The others will be difficult, but I will get to them when I can. Fry1989 eh? 21:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you Дмитрий-5-Аверин (talk) 07:55, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Bavaria done. Fry1989 eh? 22:36, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello. Sorry, but when you do the following flag-map? Дмитрий-5-Аверин (talk) 12:54, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I am still working on Wales. Greater Italy will be difficult though, idk when I'll be able to get that one done. Fry1989 eh? 20:44, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
ОК Дмитрий-5-Аверин (talk) 07:52, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Wales done. Fry1989 eh? 20:06, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Just though I'll let you know

That the serial socker and copyright violator has uploaded images on en Wiki with your name in the author field. You may wish to request that they be deleted. Bidgee (talk) 03:08, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I've known for some time. He was previously blocked for it, but looks like he's not learned. Fry1989 eh? 20:15, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
I'll do a mass delete. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 20:27, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
A shame, many of them are quite good and could have a place here (assuming they're not copyvios, but with that user I have no clue). Sadly, he also uploaded many fictional signs, usually European-style Vienna Convention signs, under the claim they're used by the United States' MUTCD, which was preposterous. Fry1989 eh? 20:43, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Category talk:LGBT flag maps

I saw your SN as poster of several of the LGBT flag maps (, can we please get a world map?? I don't mind making my own, but how did you make the individual country maps? It might also be interesting to compile each of the individual countries' flag maps into a multi-flag world map, and also continental/regional maps. Xtgyal (talk) 13:17, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I will be happy to create the LGBT flaps you desire, as soon as I get home from vacation :) Fry1989 eh? 04:30, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
I have created the World Map: File:LGBT flag map of the World.svg. I will look at making continental ones in a while. Fry1989 eh? 00:40, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Ilalia regions

Good day! I want to ask you to do the flag-map of the regions of Italy. If you agree, thank you very much! DIano (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll be very happy to make them for you. They will be done within a week. Fry1989 eh? 20:20, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Most of them done, I will work on the others soon, however I will not be able to make ones for Emilia-Romagna, Friuli-Venezia Giulia or Veneto, I am sorry. Fry1989 eh? 03:37, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Good, but could you explain, please, why you can not make them? DIano (talk) 16:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the flags of Emilia-Romagna and Friuli-Venezia are not in SVG format, which I need to be able to make the flag map. I will request those two flags be made into SVG soon, at which point I will be able to make the flag maps. The flag of Veneto is incredibly complex, I am going to try with it, but it will be very difficult, and I don't want to raise your hopes in case I fail. Fry1989 eh? 20:44, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
Hello, you turn to the following: you said that you can not do some flag-map for the lack of SVG flags: Emilia-Romagna (Emilia-Romagna-Bandiera.svg), Piedmont (Piemonte.svg). DIano (talk) 14:43, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Emilia-Romagna and Piedmont done. Fry1989 eh? 20:09, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much! But still, I saw that you have created 6 of 9 land of Austria. And could you please create three remaining lands (Burgenland, Tirol, Wien)? DIano (talk) 16:50, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
Yes, those will be available today. Fry1989 eh? 20:07, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, Burgenland? DIano (talk) 13:40, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Burgenland done, sorry I forgot that one. Fry1989 eh? 07:47, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for everything! DIano (talk) 13:04, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Hope you had a good vacation...

...but now I get to tell you off :P

The new category you created under the Category:SVG Flag maps - LGBT is named wrong. The whole point of the SVG Flag maps family of categories I created was to delineate SVG files from any others, therefore the sub-category you created should have SVG in the title if it's to appear under any of the SVG categories. The title you've chosen should appear under the generic flag map categories. I hope you understand what I mean as I was starting to get confused just typing it!. --Fred the Oyster (talk) 19:49, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I understand, but the problem, atleast with the LGBT maps, is they're all SVG. Also, I'm trying to keep the national ones, and subnational ones in separate categories, it's just easier that way (to both categorize and find the ones you want). I did have a wonderful time though, thank you. Fry1989 eh? 19:53, 10 January 2012 (UTC)



Insignia NATO Army KTM.svg

I wrote you some times, these works made for books (Outer project, not Wiki) . When some pictures jumps from the standard it's very ugly and unuseable. Before the drawing the writers and me made a standard. For example: universal palette, size, outer and inner line sizes... Yesterday I uploaded the 1300th picture and all based on our standard. Please don't modify my images!

Madboy74 (talk) 08:57, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Oh yes, that are all very fine images! Very Congratulation for this amount! -- πϵρήλιο 12:40, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! There are more possible pictures on the Wikimedia.
Madboy74 (talk) 14:05, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
I didn't modify your image in any way other than to make the margins fit to it so it looks better in it's global usage. Loose your attitude, and stop your extreme ownership of your files. Fry1989 eh? 21:16, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


Hello, you removed the discussion in the archives. But you have promised to make flag-map of the Greater Italy? Дмитрий-5-Аверин (talk) 13:47, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm still having trouble finding an SVG map of Greater Italy, but once I have, I will make your map. Fry1989 eh? 20:13, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
There's at least 3 flag maps of Italy in Category:SVG Flag maps - Europe or is that not what is required? --Fred the Oyster (talk) 20:30, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
The problem is finding an SVG map of Greater Italy. IDK about the African territories, but even finding one including Istria and Albania is stumping me. Fry1989 eh? 20:33, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Working on it. NikNaks talk - gallery - wikipedia 21:22, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
File:Map_of_Greater_Italia.svg; File:Map_of_Greater_Italia_(coloured).svg. NikNaks talk - gallery - wikipedia 21:24, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll hop too it :) Fry1989 eh? 21:25, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Done: File:Flag map of Greater Italy.svg Fry1989 eh? 21:54, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
File:Flag map of Italy.svg‎ superseded? Like a dagger to my heart :{ --Fred the Oyster (talk) 22:00, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Oh I'm sorry Fred. Fry1989 eh? 22:01, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so much! Дмитрий-5-Аверин (talk) 15:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

How should I credit you?

I am going to use [a derivative of] one of your flag maps in an physical publication. It's CC BY-SA-3.0, so we're crediting you. However, I'd rather not credit you as "Wikimedia Commons user Fry1989". If you don't feel comfortable with giving your real name here, you can do the send me an email at (without giving me your email address). We are of course also crediting the original author of the map you used. ~ LukeShu (talk) 18:21, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for using one of my works, I'm always happy to hear my stuff is useful. You can credit me as "Dan Switzer". May I ask what one of my flag maps you're using? I'd love to know :) Fry1989 eh? 21:15, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
The Indiana state map, thanks! ~ LukeShu (talk) 23:34, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
I've actually been trying to find a better map for it, I will have a new better state outline soon if you would like to wait about 3 minutes. Fry1989 eh? 23:44, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag-map of Egypt.svg

Hi, Could you please modify the file per Flag of Egypt.svg?--M.Gedawy Talk 16:39, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

What do you want changed? Right now they're the same. Fry1989 eh? 21:10, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
I mean the eagle.--M.Gedawy Talk 21:20, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
How's that? Fry1989 eh? 21:35, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
By making the eagle in this file be like the eagle in this one.--M.Gedawy Talk 21:55, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry but I don't understand, they are exactly the same. Did you want a different version of the eagle, such as the one with the shield coloured like this? Fry1989 eh? 21:59, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
No, I realized you have just fixed it as i demanded. Many thanks. :)--M.Gedawy Talk 22:04, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
No problem, any time :) Fry1989 eh? 22:08, 3 February 2012 (UTC)


Hello, I wrote to you because you make in the SVG flag map. Could you please make the following SVG flag map: Georgia (Flag of Georgia (1990-2004).svg)*, Greater Catalonia*, Bremen*, Hamburg*, Balearic Islands*, the Transcaucasian SFSR*, the Karelo-Finnish SSR*, Adjara*, Inner Mongolia, Michigan*, Minnesota*, First Mexican Empire*, Empire of Brazil*, Russian Empire (1865, Romanov_Flag.svg)*, Russian Empire (1914)*. 16:41, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

I will try and make them all soon :) Fry1989 eh? 19:03, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm glad you agree, thank you. And please, when you finish those flag-maps make these: Austria-Hungary*, British India*, South Africa (Union of South Africa flag)*, St. Petersburg*, Leningrad Oblast*, Krasnoyarsk Krai*, Crimea*. 13:07, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
I will also work on those as soon as I can. Fry1989 eh? 20:04, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm actually going to do all the Russian Subdivisions when i can. Fry1989 eh? 02:57, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Hello, thank you for what you are doing the flag map. But I want to ask you, please, to alter flag-map baleares (example of this: Flag-map of Spain (subdivisions).svg). Just sometimes it seems that this is a flag of Catalonia. 18:19, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
I will try. Fry1989 eh? 22:21, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for this flag map. But I want to tell you: the fact that Austria-Hungary, another flag :) 11:05, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Austria-Hungary never had a national flag for all the territory. But if there is another flag you would prefer I use, please let me know. Fry1989 eh? 20:35, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
Hello, I'm sorry, you're right, I did not know. Could you do one more flag-map Austro-Hungary with this flag Flag of Austria-Hungary (1869-1918).svg? 15:00, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Yes I can, Fry1989 eh? 20:32, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, but when you make the rest of the flag-map? 17:13, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm just taking a short break, but will get back to them very soon. Fry1989 eh? 20:19, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm not going to be able to make Leningrad Obalst, Crimea, or the Russian Empire at this time, sorry. I need to find a good make of the Russian Empire, and Leningrad Oblast's flag is giving me trouble. Fry1989 eh? 23:30, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Dear, I did instead of party Fry1989 the following files:

D5A (talk) 16:16, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Seals of Hawaii

Hi! I just uploaded these seals, please help put them where they are suppose to be :P, Thanks! Sodacan (talk) 20:31, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh wow!!! I was actually going to ask you if you would do the Hawaii seal, but you beat me to it! :D Fry1989 eh? 21:05, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Hah! that is good! I'm in a Hawaiian mood at the moment, should get everything done soon so I can move on to new stuff. Sodacan (talk) 00:57, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Nice Fry1989 eh? 01:03, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Texas Flag Map

Would you mind if File:Texas flag map.svg was used globally on Wikipedia in place of this version? Here in Texas, we use the flag map more than our coat of arms. It's even on our license plates. However, the image we always see is the first one. I've never seen the second rendition used at all.--Glasshouse (talk) 14:38, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

No, I do not mind at all :) Fry1989 eh? 19:52, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. What's the process for the universal change?--Glasshouse (talk) 00:09, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

You can request a command at User:CommonsDelinker/commands, but your reasoning may not be accepted, at which point you will have to replace it youself by hand. Fry1989 eh? 00:21, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


Hello, and yet, when you make the rest of the flag-map, please do the following: I saw that flag-map of India was a black stroke, and then became orange, duck here is: can you make a stroke, such as a flag-map of Italy (stroke - the colors of the flag)? DIano (talk) 09:34, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you are asking for. Fry1989 eh? 20:58, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
I believe he wants you to create a flag map of India where the outline matches the colour of the flag, rather than the current black outline. NikNaks talk - gallery - wikipedia 20:59, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
That was already done with File:India geo stub.svg, but I was going to update it soon anyways to make it green because of the visibility problem with it being orange. As for Italy, that is also done at File:Italy looking like the flag.svg Fry1989 eh? 21:04, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
You see how the green part of the Italy one has a green outline? I think he wants a similar effect with the different bands of colour on the Indian flag instead of it being all orange. I've also added that stripe to the South African flag. NikNaks talk - gallery - wikipedia 07:15, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I see, yeah I can do that. Btw, thanks for the SA flag Fry1989 eh? 07:17, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. And once you realize you can fix all those flag-map:

Jordan*, Nepal*, Bhutan*, Brunei*, Iran, Yemen*, Zimbabwe*, Seychelles, Croatia, Czech Republic*, the Kingdom of Hungary*, South Ossetia*, Palestine, Nagorno Karabakh Republic*, Belize, Cuba, USA, Canary Islands*, Ecuador? DIano (talk) 15:01, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll do what I can. Fry1989 eh? 20:37, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Last, please correct the following flag-map: The Great India*, Czechoslovakia*, Greater Croatia*, Greater Yugoslavia, the Balkan Federation, Bulgaria (1971-1990)*. DIano (talk) 14:04, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
I will not be able to fix Croatia I'm afraid. Probably also wont be able to do Belize. Fry1989 eh? 01:51, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


I'll finish off the Australia banners tonight. What seals are still outstanding? NikNaks talk - gallery - wikipedia 19:17, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah cool! The only seal requests outstanding at the moment are the three open ones in the Commons Graphic Lab, and the Pennsylvania and Mossad requests on Wikipedia English Graphic Lab. It's obviously a lot of seals, I was kinda hopping a few of them would have been done while I was on vacation back in December, but alas. Anyhow, I don't expect you to do them all (atleast, certainly not all right away), but every little bit helps. Thanks. Fry1989 eh? 21:51, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Kazakh flag you might want to see this. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 00:38, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah I figured. Been noticing simple procedures take long times to go through when clicking "save". Fry1989 eh? 00:48, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
There is a new MediaWiki version and I have been having a lot of problems with deletions, batch deletions and trying to fix caching issues. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 01:18, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, it happens about every few months or so, so we shouldn't be too surprised. Fry1989 eh? 01:20, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


Hi! I ran across your username a few times regarding my attempt to trace the Guinea coa. I admit it's a very bad trace; I've never drawn anything in a vector format (except for school practice and the flag of Vieques... which I didn't draw too well) so I thought that's all I could do. I'll definitely try to draw the coa when I have time or find someone who can (it's a very simple design!). I'm sorry it wasn't well thought out or anything. I do want to thank you for leading me to someone who can do elaborate requests though (Sodacan rules). Also your flags are pretty good! :D Okay, bye --Turn685 (talk) 01:28, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your kind comment. I try not to judge people's works when they try their best, because I also am learning and trying my best, but I do believe everything has room for improvement. I've never drawn complex things in SVG either, I'm incredibly basic in what I can do, so I also have to request others help :) Fry1989 eh? 01:33, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Quick Favor

Could you... and I feel kind of embarrassed having to ask this... kindly create 2 flags for the Texas page, that is the Vertical flag like on the United States flag page since Texas state law provides that the Star should always be pointing up, and a flag following the exact (and jumbled) wording of the Texas Statute which mutates the design of the flag as we know it into a some type of 3:2 Banner, since somehow they reversed 'width' and 'length' in law when they readopted the state flag. though the second request is just for giggles. thanks. --Thegunkid (talk) 17:50, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Actually cancel the second flag, since I reviewed the NAVA dictionary on vexillology and it seems my interpretation of the statute was incorrect. --Thegunkid (talk) 19:14, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Done File:Flag of Texas (vertical display).svg Fry1989 eh? 20:28, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. --Thegunkid (talk) 17:49, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

AZ flag

I checked the HTML in the file and I noticed the white was changed to FEF4F6. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 03:39, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I didn't notice it by eye. IDK why that would be done, if the crescent and star are supposed to be white. White is solid, you dilute it with anything else and it because a shade of something else. Fry1989 eh? 03:45, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Probably the same deal as the Italian flag issue that I dealt with six years ago (damn I am getting too old). User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 06:10, 7 March 2012 (UTC)


The tag is bloody wrong there - why do you revert? --Saibo (Δ) 04:51, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Take it to a DR, not my concern. Fry1989 eh? 04:52, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Lol... Please do not revert! --Saibo (Δ) 04:53, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
The file is licensed (not missing a license, there's a difference). if you doubt the licenses you do a DR, you don't backhandly sneak it's possibly speedy deletion with a bot. That's why I reverted. Fry1989 eh? 04:54, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Uploaders will never learn if you do that. All is bullshit and you removed the bullshit tag - not good. Thanks. --Saibo (Δ) 04:59, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
If you doubt the liecenses of a file you do a DR. You only use that tag when a file doesn't have any licenses. If you're not willing to bother to do a DR, leave them alone, but I'm not a fan of pocket deletions. Fry1989 eh? 05:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

STOP your vandalism. --Saibo (Δ) 05:05, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Are you just crazy? If a file has a license, that tag is inappropriate and by adding it you are infact the one vandalizing it. If you doubt the license, you do a DR. You do not add a tag saying the file doesn't have information on it's status when it DOES have a license. Fry1989 eh? 05:06, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
That tag is correct. And I have explained in the tag what is not correct. --Saibo (Δ) 05:09, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
No, the tag is not correct. It is for files that are unlicensed. The file DOES have a license. Fry1989 eh? 05:10, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Read the tag's letters again please.... --Saibo (Δ) 05:12, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
I have, it's for a completely different file. Fry1989 eh? 05:13, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

It isn't - same issue. See the talk page User_talk:Naphiiithaaa#File:GTDManquehue.svg instead of getting mad. --Saibo (Δ) 05:15, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Just because somebody adds the wrong license doesn't mean you undo users who add the right one. Both those logos are PD cause they're too simple, and whether you trust the other user's licensing or not, you shouldn't question an experienced user unless you have some proof that it's not PD under the new license I have added. Fry1989 eh? 05:17, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Did you now see that you had reverted the wrong license tag which is correct? Btw: I am experienced. ;-) --Saibo (Δ) 05:22, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

I didn't say you were unexperienced (I didn't say anything about your experience), I said that I also am. Now, if you had given me a minute to work on the licenses, we wouldn't have had a problem. Fry1989 eh? 05:23, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Also, your problem with the first file and comment you made on his page is rediculous. He doesn't have to be the original designer to claim own work, he simply has to be the user who created the svg version that he uploaded to Commons. Now, the file still may be copyrighted, but that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the uploader created the SVG himself or not. Fry1989 eh? 05:27, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
If he isn't the original designer it isn't his own work. You might have noticed that we do not need three DRs - I was trying to teach the user by telling him what is wrong - apparently you do not want that and support wrong authorship and copyright claims. Good bye, try better next time please. --Saibo (Δ) 05:32, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
If he made the file himself, he is. It would be a derivative of the work of whoever designed the logo in the first place, but if this user made the file he uploaded, it's his own work, a derivative or not. Fry1989 eh? 05:34, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


Je vais procéder par étape pour expliquer mon point de vue. L'héraldique n'est pas statique, le blason sur le site de la principauté est une représentation possible de la description de celui-ci, mais pas la seul, en effet un blason n'est pas un logo, pour preuve voici des représentation différente du blason de Monaco qui sont tout aussi valable que celle présente sur le site de la principauté : (I will proceed in stages to explain my point of view. Heraldry is not static, the coat of arms on the website of the Principality is a possible representation of the description of it, but not alone, because a shield is not a logo, shown here for representation of different coat of arms of Monaco which are just as valid as that found on the website of the Principality.): [7], [8], [9], [10], [11].

Donc rien n'oblige le dessinateur à décalquer le dessin présent sur le site de la principauté. De plus le dessin du site pose plusieurs problème : il a été dessiné par un artiste qui possède donc des droits d'auteurs sur ce graphisme (en revanche la description et libre de droit), on ne peut donc pas simplement vectorisé son oeuvre, de plus la représentation de la couronne est fausse, les perles bleues présentes sur la couronne princière sont une erreur, de plus le collier de l'ordre de Saint-Charles qu'il a dessiné n'a pratiquement rien de commun avec le collier de l'ordre [12]. Pour finir sachez que j'ai pas mal modifier le fichier par rapport à l'origine pour coller le plus possible à la description du blason. Comparons mon dessin et la description :

So there is no requirement the designer to trace the design on the site of the principality. In addition the design of the site poses several problems: it was designed by an artist who thus has copyright on this graphic (though the description and royalty-free), one can not simply vectorised his work, more representation of the crown is false, the blue beads present on the crown prince is an error, over the collar of the order of St. Charles that he drew virtually nothing in common with the collar of the order [13]. Finally know that I have a lot to change the file from the original closely as possible to the description of the shield. Compare my drawing and description:

Version Shield Mantle Monk Motto Crown
Silver shield decorated with red diamonds surrounded by the Order of St. Charles collar It is placed on a red coat lined with ermine Topped by the royal crown Standing at each side of the shield are two monks brandishing raised swords Below them is a banderole with the royal motto Deo Juvante
OK for the shield, but not for the collar OK NOK OK OK
OK for both OK OK OK OK
Style for shield and just mine is the same design betwin draw collar and real collar Style and design A royal crown did not have blue pearl Just the style also, but mine are also standing and brandishing raised sword! Little difference of colors but not significant there both OK

Pour résumer un blason n'est pas un logo, c'est la transcription visuel d'une description.

To summarize a shield is not a logo, it is the visual transcription of an writing description.

SanglierT (talk) 16:34, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

"surrounded by the Order of St. Charles collar", ça veut dire entouré en pas encadré, le dessin de Denelson et du site et en contradiction avec la description qui est la seule base fiable. La couronne est dite royale, celle présente sur le site avec ses perles bleues n'a que la forme de royale, rien de plus. SanglierT (talk) 16:50, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Oui sauf que eux ont le droit d'utiliser ce graphisme là (ils ont du payer un dessinateur), ils ont donc la propriété de cette image et donc le reproduire c'est violer leur droit de propriété, dans un sens je suis d'accord avec vous. Mais on ne peut pas le reproduire tel qu'il est actuellement dans le version de Denelson83, c'est un abus d'usage. SanglierT (talk) 17:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Bandera del Paraguay

Oye no fue necesario que colocaras en proceso de eliminación los escudos y banderas que yo he subido. Por qué al menos no me has dado un previo aviso? Además que el escudo que colocaste tiene un diseño erróneo, a esos viejos diseños los tendrías que haber colocado. --Julián Segovia (talk) 21:06, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, i don't speak Spanish, so I had to use a translator. It was neccessary because you were replacing our SVG versions on projects with inferior PNG versions. If you have problems with our SVGs, you can ask in the Graphic Lab that they be corrected according to your sources. Fry1989 eh? 21:13, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Coats of arms of Winnipeg

Actually the coat of arms from the flag have two error, the bazon don't have the or division betwin the azur and they don't have the crest. (ilustrated on yhe page page 9 of this document.) --Fralambert (talk) 02:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

The PDF actually shows two variants of the same thing. As we can see here, the City uses it just like File:Winnipeg Coat of Arms.svg. In any case, whether we use it the way it is now, or updated to be like it is on page 2 of that PDF, it's still far more accurate than File:Blason ville ca Winnipeg (Manitoba).svg. Fry1989 eh? 03:07, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
I generaly prefer the small arms for a article. By tradition, no other city or country can claim the blazon. But the exterior decoration is generaly more creative., or not Trois-Rivières and Montreal have the same description of the exterior except the moto. Event if you prefer the great arms over the small, I don't understand why you put the {{Superceded}} template on this arms, for me, it is like a POV pushing. On a other point I am prety sure the File:Burnaby BC coat of arms.gif is a copyvio of [14]. It's clealy the style of The Canadian Heraldic Authority. --Fralambert (talk) 03:21, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
I actually would call it POV-pushing to insist on the usage of File:Blason ville ca Winnipeg (Manitoba).svg, when it looks nothing like either versions of the symbol as used by the government of Winnipeg. It takes personal license and creativity, based on the blazon alone, which basically means you can make it look any way you want. Fry1989 eh? 03:35, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Actualy the shield decription on the is Vert a prairie crocus (Anemone patens) slipped proper on a chief Azure fimbriated thirteen mullets Or the crest description is Within a circlet of prairie crocus (Anemone patens) the gate of Old Fort Garry prope and the moto decription is UNUM CUM VIRTUTE MULTORUM. [15]. Generaly the French fr:Projet:Blasons/Demande de blason consider the description as a law, so a copy from the description is not considered under copyright. For some they don't realy like do the exterior of the sheild. For Burnaby, I will ask them to make a shield, since the actual coat of arms seems to be a copyvio. --Fralambert (talk) 04:10, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
I know that the blazon is PD, so anything based on it would also be PD. But that doesn't matter when the Arms are PD anyways. Fry1989 eh? 20:10, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
A Burnaby COA who is not under copyvio.
Like I said, I asked for a coat of arms of Burnaby and SanglierT give me this one. For the Winnipeg COA I can ask for the crest and the motto, a good compromise? --Fralambert (talk) 01:34, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
As long as it looks like the real thing on page 2, I have no objection. Fry1989 eh? 01:54, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


Per request: File:Coat of Arms of the Republic of Uganda.svg. Done. Sodacan (talk) 08:54, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Hurray! :D Fry1989 eh? 19:07, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
The file name: The 'republic' is there in case some of Uganda's older coats of arms is uploaded in future, it is best the name is kept specific just in case. The naming convention in some cases seems unreasonable, especially when applied to countries with lots of different coats of arms over the years. Sodacan (talk) 02:34, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Ah, I'm sorry. I assumed you uploaded it under that name because we previously had an SVG of the Ugandan arms which were deleted, and it wouldn't allow you to upload it under "Coat of arms of Uganda". I know that's happened to me. I can name it back for you, but usually former coats fo arms are uploaded with a time of use in the file name, so I didn't see much need. However, if you wish, I will move it back for you. Fry1989 eh? 02:38, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
It's alright, just leave it as is, no proper reason to move it back again. Just a personal preference really, but at least its a practical one. Thanks anyhow! Sodacan (talk) 02:59, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
And thank you for creating it. Always appreciative of a wonderful addition :) Fry1989 eh? 03:00, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Happy to do it, been a little busy this month, hopefully should have some free time to finish off some of the other national coats of arms (ones without a vector version). Sodacan (talk) 03:23, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Brilliant! I think you will agree with me in saying that it's long overdue for us to have vectors of every national emblem (excluding Singapore and maybe one or two others with weird copyright laws). I look forward to it :) Fry1989 eh? 03:28, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Agreed. Do you think this is legit? en: Sodacan (talk) 03:46, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Well, the Governor-Gerneral's website does mention a list of Canadian Heralds, but it doesn't have any images. If we look up some of the names, we may be able to find their personal arms or badges on the CHA's public register, but idk if they would be compatible with Commons licensing if that's what you mean. Fry1989 eh? 03:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Kazakhstan etc.

It was actually the fault of -- he put <gallery>...<gallery> instead of correct <gallery>...</gallery> in the section above. I don't know that I have any useful knowledge or technical expertise relevant to the Kazakhstan discussion (beyond observing that one file version is cleaner-looking than the other). AnonMoos (talk) 07:15, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Tanzanian Air Force Roundel

Fry you wanna show us the "better source" for Roundel of the Tanzanian Air Force that you found. As far as I can see, you've missed some details, which I added to my uploaded version. Specifically the extended wreath links at the bottom of the torch cone, and the changed rounded, not sharp cone tip. As for the colors I don't see a match based on this Photograph. And as for the Pakistan Roundel, what did you use to "crack" the green color code? Some official Pakistan color gauge? Source? ref? Jetijones (talk) 22:56, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

For the Tanzanian roundel, I used the same photograph, but with less-faded colours. As you can see in the photo, the fin flash and the roundel have both faded significantly (and in the case of the flash, parts have even peeled off), so I based it on the light blue used on the tail of the plane., which is what it probably was intended to be. The green you used wasn't right either. As for the cone of the torch and the leaves, that was an accident that I didn't notice, I must have downloaded the first version instead of yours. I will put back your fixes. As for Pakistan's roundel (and incidentally all their flags and coat of arms too), I've been trying for months to get it right, based upon numerous depictions of the coat of arms on Government Websites, and photographs of the flag, such as 1, 2, 3 and 4, plus the many photos of the roundel at To get it right has been months of playing around with RGBs. Fry1989 eh? 23:13, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag of Saint Lucia.svg

The same problems we had with the Kazakh and Belarusian flags is coming back again with this file. I saved my 325B rendition and it gave me the 3 KB one. I throw my hands up. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 22:53, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I was refering to Raymarcbadz who uploaded the wrong colour. I reverted back to the right one with a file size of 313 b, but then you changed it to 236 b. Not much of a difference, but it wasn't really needed. 23:27, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
I used to use the wrong color before, but I noticed when I reduced the flag size in Wikipedia, there was a lot of problems with the base of the triangle so I was trying to fix that. User:Zscout370 (Return fire) 04:34, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Oh, ok then :) Fry1989 eh? 04:36, 5 May 2012 (UTC)