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Hi!
You deleted the Pacific Islands Forum Logo. As a substitute I created a much more authentic picture that can now be found under Image:PIF Logo.png.
Henning Blatt 18:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Do you own the copyrights to the image? Do you own the forum? If not how can you caim a PD-self? --Cat out 18:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Of course I do not own the Forum. Silly question, isn't it? But I think I understand what you mean. In fact, this is a huge problem, since ALL flags and logos used in any Wikipedia project are created by users without being formally affiliated with the respective institution.
Take these:
Flag of the United Nations.svg
Flag of Turkey.svg
Madden does not own the United Nations, and David Benbennick is not the owner of Turkey. But both users uploaded the flag and released it into the public domain.
I agree with you that in legal terms this is highly problematic. And I pointed to that problem here and here on Commons and here, e.g., on the German Wikipedia. But the majority of users obviously wants to ignore that. So I decided not to push the issue any further.
Thanks! Henning Blatt 19:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, various international treaties such as the Geneva convention forbids any kind of restriction for combatant identification. Copyrighting national flags (restricting their usage) is a breach of these international treaties and is technically a war crime.
Same does not apply to forum logos and flags. Therefore unless you can provide any kind of documentation from a reliable source establishing its copyright status with a free license, I am inclined to delete it.
--Cat out 21:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I did some checking operantly this forum is not some random internet website. I wish you had specified this. I'd still prefer some sort of citation establishing it as PD. --Cat out 22:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, this time I actually do not understand what you mean... What do you want me to provide? A citation establishing it as PD? I created the picture, so I am the owner of the copyright. And in fact I already stated that I released it into the PD. What is a "random internet website"? If you want to delete the picture, please tell me first why you do not want to delete the UN-Flag and the Flag of Turkey, too. Henning Blatt 09:07, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
I am not going to debate the UN flag or Turkish flag. They are irrelevant to this debate.
It doesn't matter if you drew the image yourself. What you have created is a derivative work of the official forum logo. You need to provide info that the logo itself is copyrighted with a free license (or is released into the pd).
--Cat out 12:25, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Why is the UN flag irrelevant to this debate? Where is the difference? The UN and the Forum are both International Organizations. Please tell me where the difference is! Henning Blatt 13:38, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

For starters, United Nations has a military role which means as per Geneva and other similar treaties, combatant identification is required. Furthermore thats the flag NOT the logo.
If you cannot provide me any data establishing this images pd status it will end up getting deleted. If I do not, someone else will eventually. I am really uninterested in discussing the fine points of copyrights and international law. All I need from you is any info establishing that the image in question is either pd, or is copyrighted with a free license
--Cat out 16:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Cool Cat,
This is ridiculous. Please don't treat me as a baby. I am not new to the Wikipedia.
And I am quite familiar with International Law and the Geneva conventions. Please let me assure you that a possible copyright violation is not a war crime, as you said. The protection of the UN flag has nothing to do with combatant identification. The UN has never contributed own troops to any conflict. The blue helmets are technically not UN forces. You can find this information in any text book on the United Nations or on peacekeeping.
Despite that I really like to know why that matters in copyright issues... There is a template for logos and flags that show how they are treated in the Wikipedia: {{insignia}}
But, okay, take the UN flag as it is. Just forget it. Here is a list of various International Organizations logos and flags and their uploaders:
I think this is enough. All these pictures have been drawn by users. And none of the respective organizations is owned by any of these users. So, please again, tell me why you want to pick out the Forum logo and delete it, leaving all the other logos untouched? I would consider that highly arbitrarily and a misuse of admin rights.
To make this clear: there is absolutely no legal difference between a flag and a logo. But just in case you insist on a difference, I'd like to point out that there are enough logos in the list, and most of the flags in fact are logos, but they simply are not labelled correctly.
Please don't feel offended just because I uploaded a new Forum pic only a couple of hours after you deleted the old one. The deletion was okay, since the old pic was not in the PD, but my picture is, just like all the other flags and logos of countries, organizations, enterprises, etc., that have been released into the PD by their uploaders.
Henning Blatt 11:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I am debating the image you have uploaded. Just because other people violate copyrights do not mean you get to violate copyrights as well. I can and will delete all the linked images should I find them to be copyright violations. Thank you for bringing them to my attention, I will be nominating them for deletion soon so as to clear the matter.
{{insignia}} only means that additional restrictions apply to the image independent and regardless of copyrights.
All you need to do is provide evidence that this forum logo is indeed available with a free license or has been released to the PD. Your work is a derivative work so you cant release someone else's work to the pd.
I am holding back a deletion because I trust that the image can be available with a free license, I however need evidence supporting it. We wouldn't be even talking if I hadn't believe this.
--Cat out 12:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

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Cat out 13:03, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

File:PIF Logo.png[edit]

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