User talk:Hesperian/Archive 1

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Re: cladogram deletion[edit]

No worries, done --pfctdayelise (translate?) 06:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)



As I noticed that you added template:wikipedia to an article, it seemed fair that I let you know that I have questioned the relevance of this template in the Village pump#Template:wikipedia.

TeunSpaans 18:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

re: engravings[edit]

Done. pfctdayelise (说什么?) 13:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

banksia category deletions[edit]

I know its normally customary to advise people that work they have done is nominated for deletion but since you haven't been informed you need to see this Commons:Deletion requests/Category:Banksia ericifolia Gnangarra 09:09, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I just cant see the point of having the technology and ignoring it, why not utilised what it can do well. Anyhow I'll continue uploading to cats and if someone wants to go around creating and populating articles they'll be enjoying themselves I got another 400 odd native flower picts from around Perth still to upload. There are 300+ native species in kings park alone I intend trying to add every one of them in the coming months. My biggest problem is getting good id's but I just added another paper resource to my collection "Australian Native Plants" by Geoff Bryant. Gnangarra 04:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Watch this space has some interesting methods for sorting and revieing latest changes to categories. I'm going to start trying to use some these on the banksia cats. Gnangarra 05:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm addicted to this wonder where the nearest WA chapter is. Gnangarra 05:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

category organisation[edit]

Hey, I know you will keep cool on this topic, and I hope you will keep taking part in these discussions. cheers, pfctdayelise (说什么?) 12:57, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


{{wikibreak|Snottygobble|Wednesday}} I'm back. Snottygobble 03:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


Thx for your gender fix!

TeunSpaans 06:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

ToL Newsletter issue 1[edit]

The inaugural newsletter of the Tree of Life project has been published. You are welcome to read the newsletter, comment on its contents, frequency and form, or unsubscribe by putting your name on my talk page.

Teun Spaans 21:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Thx for you editing! Teun Spaans 11:13, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


Yo. Category:Western Australia has accumulated a reasonable number of images of flora. Would it be appropriate to move these to Category:Flora of Western Australia? Moondyne 05:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Haha. I just came here do this and you beat me by about 10mins. Thanks Moondyne 05:30, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Image:Eremophila oldfieldii.jpg[edit]

Good spot. Other than the fact Pink died in 1975, iI suppose it would fall under type C (artistic works). I don't know what my rationale was at the time to be honest. I'll tag it for speedying. Moondyne 05:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Also speedying Image:Op exhib poster.jpg Moondyne 05:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


Hey Hesp, Twenty Years here (this one's a brian molko song). Just a quick one: When i upload an image to here can i just use the same PD-Australia template like on wikipedia? Cheers Five Years 09:29, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Yet another[edit]

10 images, superior in quality, were found here. Note that they differ from Tas. Library images already uploaded. Cygnis insignis 18:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Nearly done with this. This is one looks much better Image:Johnsonia lupulina. Can I get a second opinion of the two remaining images for switching? Keeping both is probably justified, so I uploaded them to Banksia coccinea and Brunonia sericea. These were mounted when scanned, producing a differing scan. Let me know if you think I should switch them. Cygnis insignis 18:47, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Gallery and stray bits[edit]

Yeah I seem to have stray bits and pieces around - and wondering whether you could possibly help the tidy up? SatuSuro 12:07, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that - appreciate the help - somehow my lefthandedness becomes multiple left thumbs in commons :( SatuSuro 13:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again- must get training wheels on properly SatuSuro 01:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:A Sketch of the Vegetation of the Swan River Colony - Figure 1.jpg[edit]

Image deletion warning Image:A Sketch of the Vegetation of the Swan River Colony - Figure 1.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this image, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. If the file is up for deletion because it has been superseded by a superior derivative of your work, consider the notion that although the file may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new file.
In all cases, please do not take the deletion request personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

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license of SR map[edit]

Yeah I'm fine with that. Gnangarra 13:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

time telling[edit]

-- carol 10:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

SVG validation[edit]

<!DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD SVG 1.0//EN"

The validator wants a DOCTYPE -- inkscape strips the doctype each new save. I have put the doctype into comment thingies on the svg maps that I use often, like this:

<!-- <!DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD SVG 1.0//EN"
        ""> -->

although, to be honest, for the most part, I still paste it from other SVG.

The validator doesn't want any of inkscape or sodipodi's xml in it. When I loaded your map into inkscape, it put sodipodi's 125% line spacing back into the xml. That was a new one for me, but very few of the svg I use have text on them.

You labeled some of your groups -- that is a great thing to do. If you label the id for g with the xml editor (on the right in the toolboxen it has little brackets on it) then you won't have to paste it from the inkscape layer name into the g id attribute later. Don't allow any spaces in the label names. Underscores or hyphens or good OldFashionedWikiWords work.

Using a text editor to strip the svg is a challenge, even if you know about closing tags and all of that. When I first cleaned the inkscape/sodipodi out of your svg, I accidentally removed an opening <g and when that happens the svg will not display in anything. I was able to put the tag back together again by looking at the source of the original with the browser 'view source', your map is very big in the browser window but did not crash it! I built my inkscape and when I did, I also got an inkview which does nothing but display the svg. I have occasionally made an svg valid but it would not display any longer and I discovered that with inkview before uploading.

Earlier in this bunch of hours, I got to see xlink: in action! I have read about this thing and I have pasted it occasionally but always with no clue about what it does. Image:Camara_de_fotos.svg I didn't make this SVG, it sure is beautiful though. I did reduce the file size by 2/3rds though -- inkscape and sodipodi have no clue how to clean up after themselves. The xlink -- the gradients were defined and given an id, xlink makes it like a self referencing web page so the gradients find the definition within the <svg/> tag. It was just one of those 'oh that is what it does' moments for me and I thought I would share it.

Your first svg is much much better than mine, btw. My first svg looks like I was using finger paints with my elbows and doesn't do the things that svg is supposed to do. It was an imported png -- I can do that better now but it doesn't feel like I am actually making svg. I might feel differently about that if I ever make maps with altitude though.

If I were you, I would call your fans off from me. I am not you though. I need a break from not living my life, but that is not going to happen as I am thousands of miles from where my life would be lived.

Your fans are not as funny as you are. -- carol 17:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much for that. A few changes have been suggested, so I suppose I'll have to learn how to do what you've just done myself. I learned a lot from looking over Image:india-locator-map-blank.svg, a featured picture. It has no doctype and plenty of inkscape and sodipodi in it, so I guess it mustn't validate. One thing I especially liked about that image was the way it embeds licensing information in rdf in svg. I wonder if that would validate.
I just pulled up the new version in Inkscape, and my layers are gone. That is disappointing, although I must concede that validation trumps convenience.
I'm not going to import the other matter to Commons. I'll correspond with you on Wikipedia once you're able to reply there, if you still wish it.
Hesperian 23:21, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I think that groups are basically layers -- I haven't used inkscapes layers though to say that with any knowledge. I am needing to start over with my map project and make better use of the groups that are there -- that xml editor has a lot of problems, but I think that is mostly because of xml itself. It is disappointing to me that the validator doesn't simply check the licensing information to see if it is valid xml and then skip it -- perhaps that group doesn't want to be responsible for another groups dtd. Embedded licenses -- svg is the first actual opportunity to do that, and might be a good reason to forgo the validation stamp of approval (paste it back in once the rest of it works). Not all browsers care about the validator either -- I would not have been offended if you had reverted the changes (there is some ownership and it is good that way). The {{ValidSVG}} is just a template that makes it easy to check. I think that the file size reduction and the dependency on one dtd for image rendering is good -- you could put a dtd online site and use that. Or rely on the inkscape stuff that was in there. The validator wouldn't like it. The Inkscape xml doesn't render in firefox without the web site information in it (if I remember that correctly) which is all very weird because the svg render on computers which are not online. These issues start to have a stink to them as I list them here....
Until 2003, everyone in my real life and online who appeared strong actually was. Strong willed, strong of character and strong of purpose. 41 years of a world like that is difficult to exorcise especially when it worked and could do more than this new one of the last 5 years that doesn't work in which 100% of the people I know have a very long list of things they can't do when compared to the list of things they can do. The United States media has been controlled by California and New York for several years now. They paint themselves with it to be much more than they are perhaps.
Have you become the encyclopedia now? -- carol 03:49, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

I wrote something here earlier, but must have forgotten to save. Anyhow, here is what I learned today, in far fewer words than last time:

  1. You don't need to manually strip out the inkscape and sodopodi stuff. Just load it up in Inkscape, "Save as...", and select "Plain SVG" instead of "Inkscape SVG".
  2. SVG renderers are supposed to ignore unknown namespaces, but current validators fail to do so. They therefore fail to validate perfectly valid files that contain namespaces such as "inkscape:" and "sodipodi:"
  3. You don't need a DOCTYPE. If you omit the DOCTYPE, the validator throws not an error, but a warning, the substance of which is "this document doesn't contain a DOCTYPE. DOCTYPEs are optional in SVG v1.0, so I'll proceed with validation under the assumption that this is a SVG v1.0 document.
  4. My conclusion is that both versions are valid SVG. I prefer the Inkscape SVG version because it is a great deal more user friendly to prospective editors. If you still think Plain SVG is better, feel free to upload over the top.

Hesperian 05:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


Image:Panulirus cygnus juv 01 gnangarra (cropped).jpg nice crop and brightness adjustment. Gnangarra 16:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks mate; nice of you to share the credit around; really the credit should be all yours. Hesperian 05:01, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

RE: Image:Banksia grandis cone.jpg[edit]

Unfortunately, I don't know what to tell you. As far as I know, there is no way to retroactively approve a photo whose licensing has changed. But, I don't think the photo will be deleted because of this. It just has an unconfirmed licensing status. Also, I should add that generally it is deemed unacceptable for an uploader to review his/her own flickr uploads as the whole point is to get a third party to examine the flickr licensing. It is a pity that this image was reviewed so long after it was uploaded. Apparently there is a bot that is tagging for review images that were uploaded (presumably) before the flickr review system was fully worked out. -Seidenstud 17:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)