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The important point is that the images should be placed in the general structure somewhere. There is a large number of completely unsorted images on the commons right now. If you would like to help to place some of those images where they can be found, please do! Thank you. P.S. Maybe this category will be interesting for you.
--Panther 14:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up and the introduction Panther! I've been messing around with categories a little now. I think I'm getting the hang of it. -- Himasaram 12:49, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

New Jersey state seal

Hi Himasaram, thanks for your efforts. Image:New Jersey state seal.png is not duplicate of Image:Seal of New Jersey.png. I removed the dup tag. --Tarawneh 17:34, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

You're right, they aren't duplicates anymore. Good catch! -- Himasaram 22:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Duplicates

Different filetypes are different even if the content is identical - see Commons:Deletion guidelines#General procedure. Note that Image:Senegal coa.gif is 18K and Image:Coat of arms of Senegal.png is 15K, proof of the difference. Such superseded images have to go through COM:DEL under the current rules. No admin should speedily delete such images, so they should not be in Category:Duplicate (where they clutter it up). Thanks.--Nilfanion 12:56, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

The three Kb difference could consist of redundant data for all we know, but I understand the procedure that has to be followed now. If images inappropriately marked with {{duplicate}} is an annoyance for admins, the template info should be clarified! The wording is IMHO quite fuzzy in its current version. -- Himasaram 13:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for highlighting that Quebec one. I suspect I'm too strict on the rules for dupes at the moment, the reason is I'm trying to deal with the insane backlog there. Once its under control, any which I am not comfy with speedily deleting I'll send to COM:DEL myself. Still it helps to bear in mind the correct procedure, then you know when to ignore it ;)--Nilfanion 18:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Vector version

Hi! Why do you always vote for keeping an image even though vector version is available? You state the reason “for reference”. Can you describe that more in detail? I do not think that keeping an obsolete image is necessary. Thank you! --slady 08:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:Flag of South Jeolla.svg,Image:Flag of North Jeolla.svg

이들 그림은 등록상표(TRADE MARK) 때문에 PD에서는 제공할 수 없습니다.[1]--hyolee2(H.L.LEE) 06:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

내가 만든 이미지파일만 PD이다. 등록상표는 이 license랑 상관이 없어. Template:Insignia를 보새요. --Himasaram 14:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Those symbol marks are registered and copyrighted, so I submitted the request for deletion. Thanks. LERK (Talk / Contributions) 23:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


Im sorry

But FOTW cannot claim copyright on Image:Us-ca-sf.png, or any flag image for that matter, unless it actually owns the image. Furthermore, as this image was significantly modified (as was indicated in the page detail), FOTW has no claims whatsoever on the image.

Do not mark ANY image derived from FOTW as speedy, unless FOTW actually has copyright on the flag design. Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 00:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not getting myself into this whole FOTW vs. Wikipedia debate, but needless to say, their presence on Wikipedia/Commons is controversial so I wholeheartedly believe we're better out without them. Nevertheless, I only mark FOTW images with speedy after I have secured a good replacement image. --Himasaram 02:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

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Yes, you can peice together pieces of various versions of a public domain image and call it public domain.
We actually have good relation with FOTW editors--two of them are Commons admins, in fact. FOTW's copyright claims on public domain images are spurious, and the only reason we regard them is because we have a relationship with editors there. Using the FOTW template tag causes these images to be incorrectly labeled as copyvios.
I see no indication that you have replaced any of these images with acceptable quality.
If your edits are incorrect, and contrary to the objectives of this project, I will revert them, wholesale. Cary "Bastiqe" Bass demandez 14:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Korea flag

Why Korea flag is a copyright violation? Because you want it? Is a flag as many others here. Machocarioca 06:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)machocarioca

This particular image was from a website that does not allow us to use their images on Wikipedia! --Himasaram 13:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: "The author of xrmap"

I'm sorry, but this person wishes to remain anonymous. -- Denelson83 08:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

SVG instead of PNG

I notice that you're transferring a lot of files from GIF to PNG.. have you considered SVG instead? SVG is superseding PNG much in the way PNG superseded GIF. A freeware program called Inkscape is available for creating SVGs. Thanks! Drumguy8800 07:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Image:Bandeira poa.PNG

Ooooops. Sorry for the inconvenience. Regards. --Dodo 06:39, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Jang Yeongsil photo

Hey, Himarasan, your photo is amazing! I did some editing using Microsoft Office Picture Manager so that the image is brighter & clearer. Is that okay with you? I did it without your permission & forgot about asking you. If you don't like it, or you can edit better, feel free to change it. (Wikimachine 18:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC))

Image:Education - Grad Hat.svg

No problem. You can use it on GNU GPL too. Krzysiu Jarzyna 14:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! --Himasaram 01:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

GPL request

Image:USA.NM.VeryLargeArray.02.jpg -- as a Civ fan from way back, pleased to oblige.

Thank you! --Himasaram 01:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: Request: Dual license Image:Steel wire rope.png

Hi Volty! I'm a member of the Freeciv community. I'd like to use your Image:Steel wire rope.png to represent the Steel technology in the game. The Freeciv project is licensed under the GPL. Would you mind giving us permission to dual-license your image? Best, 59.6.201.181 14:56, 10. Dez. 2006 (CET) Whoops, I forgot I don't have a de.wikipedia account. -- Himasaram

Hi Himasaram! As you are not on the de.wikipedia, I have moved your original inquiry here. I feel honored and will be pleased to dual-license the picture. Do I have to re-tag the picture Image:Steel wire rope.png in a special way to indicate this? ---volty 23:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
No, your written permission is all we need! Thank you very much, Himasaram 01:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Great, glad I could be of help! ---volty 02:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

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Tonyjeff 13:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC) .

tatar nationalist flag

Hi, Himasaram! Could you vectorize this image:

--Untifler 15:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. Enjoy! Tatar Nationalist Flag.svg --Himasaram 11:37, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks!!!! However, no image is seen :( --Untifler 16:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Not it's okay. Thanks! --Untifler 19:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Bad svg experience

Hi! Could you say what is a problem? In Inkscape I see all text, but after the uploading I see none... Thanks!--Untifler 22:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


After changing text to path, Text dissapeared (or may be it had fallen to the lowest layer). You can see that I have a problem not only with text, but with some another objects too.. The first is a river at the south, and another (a square in the center) is I dont know what object... Thanks for your help :), --Untifler 14:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I did it!!!
Astrakhan Khanate map.svg

Another request

Hi! Now I'm requesting for another flag again, as you do it perfect! It is a flag of Abazinia, Flag of Abazinia.jpg. Thanks, --Untifler 14:04, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Here it is: Flag of Abazinia.svg. --Himasaram 00:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Great! Thank you!

SVG Metadata

Dear J.C.

In case you were not aware you are leaving metadata in your SVG files (at least the one I have looked at; Image:Flag of South Moluccas.svg to replace with a new version) which includes your full name, in case you did not want that to be associated with this account. :) be seeing you. -Indolences 03:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern. However, I'm not author of that file, simply the one who uploaded it to Commons from en.wikipedia. So needless to say, that is not my name. ;) Cheers, Himasaram 15:27, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me about the "w" link for wikimedia commons

I'm busy right now correcting the colours shown for the Russian flag, but I'll try to do the corrections soon to the "list of political flags" page. User:R-41

Sexual identity flags

How about "Flags and emblems of sexual identity or orientation" as a new name? Kind of clunky, but at least it pretty much covers all possiblities! SFriendly.gif AnonMoos 17:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Or even simpler: "Sexual identity symbols"... --Himasaram 02:24, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, I kind of have it in semi-reasonable shape now (I've probably done most of the editing on it that I will be doing anytime soon). AnonMoos

PNG flags collection

Hi Aliasd, I just created an entry for PNG here: en:Flags_of_country_subdivisions#Papua_New_Guinea. I thought you might be interested since you have contributed a lot of PNG flags. Enjoy! --Himasaram 12:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Brilliant stuff! I actually reconstructed all of the flags there :) I think that particular article is great although I haven't seen it before. It should be a great place for Vexillologists to discover important but missing flags on Wikipedia/Commons! Thankyou for adding the Papua New Guinea entry! aliasd·U·T 12:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Question

Why you replace the flag of the kingdom of france by a white flag that doesn't make sense the real flag have Iris so pleas delete what you have doing. This flag was just used by some naval fleet and not for the flag of the kingdom of France. Comeau

I beg to differ. Read for example fr:Drapeau du royaume de France. In any case, this is not the right place to have this discussion. Please use the talk page for the article where you believe something is wrong. --Himasaram 09:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

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Arjeplog City Arms.svg

Hej, Jag undrar om du har något emot om jag modifierar Image:Arjeplog_City_Arms.svg lite så att den ser lite mer ut som de andra svenska kommunvapnena. Dvs. ändrar sköldform och färgnyanser. /Lokal_Profil 12:08, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Absolut inte. Kör hårt! =) --Himasaram 04:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Gjort. /Lokal_Profil 10:34, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


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Idel-Ural flag

Your variant based on FOTW data is wrong. Please look at this to see correct Idel-Ural flag and replace your svg-image. Thank you. Nickpo 02:47, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

A New Userbox that helps to define your contribution

Hi Himasaram!
i've looked on what u (and other like u) have contributed to wikicommos, and i've created a userbox for that matter, u are welcome to use it and plz tell me what do u think about it.

Chequered flag.png This user contributes to wikicommons in the subject of Flags.

{{User Flags}}





Oren neu dag 23:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


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French Flag of the 16th Century

I live in Niles, Michigan (The City of Four Flags) and we were under French Rule during this time period. The local Historiacal Society may be able to help you confirm/deny that this flag is indeed correct.

Ed


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hey, where did you get the flag of Chittagong Hill Tracts. tanveer.nonstop @ bn.wiki and en.wiki 05:25, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


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Pakistani Punjab Provincial Flag

Please help me find a way to utilize the Punjabi flag on EN:WP via the flag template, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Country_data_Punjab. I tried to assert the appropriate licence on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:100px-Pk-punj.PNG but failed. I noticed your name on other Pakistani provincial flag images and hoped you could help. :)--Thecurran (talk) 22:26, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


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Also Image:Flag_of_Atlanta,_Georgia.png, Image:Flag_of_Philadelphia,_Pennsylvania.png, Image:Flag_of_Montgomery,_Alabama.png, Image:Flag_of_Houston,_Texas.png and Image:Flag_of_Dallas,_Texas.png. /Lokal_Profil 02:58, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
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Coat_of_arms_of_Belize

Hello Himasaram I need Coat_of_arms_of_Belize in a vectorial document to do a litle animation ¿Is posible? ¿Corel 9? Thanks & Regards Daniel Canales


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