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I am

I am sure there is some users enjoy deleting.--Sonia Sevilla (talk) 19:28, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure there's some who enjoy uploading copyvios too. INeverCry 20:17, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
a Pessimistic view is so far from reality, 99% of my uploading is exactly mine pictures in public domain. u dont see them?but u can see 1% that was just a mistake in uploadin(drivers and files in every pc can be Chaotic and confusing)--Sonia Sevilla (talk) 21:22, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
AND,im not an Iranian in my nationality,so i dont know which pictures is a subject of cp righ.--Sonia Sevilla (talk) 21:23, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
then, return to me not a trol im not unkown user and im not a BAD user. i have just some mistakes and any user in whole the world can make mistakes,any human.--Sonia Sevilla (talk) 21:25, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
there is no greater insult than describing a user who don't KNOW as a UNTRUST user. i will talk about u with anoter administrator.--Sonia Sevilla (talk) 21:41, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
I removed autopatrol from your account because of the volume of copyvios you've uploaded since early February, when I originally gave it to you. COM:FOP#Iran has to be respected by uploaders and enforced by administrators. INeverCry 22:22, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
when you give to me again?--Sonia Sevilla (talk) 12:32, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
You'll have to go a while without having any of your uploads deleted. INeverCry 17:07, 8 March 2014 (UTC)


I don't think any photos in the category are original work uploaded by the artist/director. This one File:Dog IDS Nick Mugshot.jpg is sold here. All of the photos were uploaded by the same user and look like they were "internet grabs". Thanks for help, We hope (talk) 20:58, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Nuked. INeverCry 21:08, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! :-) We hope (talk) 21:22, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Postage stamps

Regarding postage stamps and currency is there a one-page explanation of which ones are and which ones aren't? I saw this one and confused myself trying to find a simple answer. Thanks Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:37, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

See Commons:Currency and Commons:Stamps/Public domain. INeverCry 21:17, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:56, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Wide variety of styles

Hi again, this gallery seems to have too many styles, dates, types of images and such to me. What do you think? Ellin Beltz (talk) 02:01, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm. A lot of those look like they come from a Polish/Israeli organization of some kind. Most or all the titles and names are in Polish. It might be better to have a Polish-speaking admin/OTRS member like @Jarekt: or @Odder: take a look at these. INeverCry 03:20, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
@Ellin Beltz: They definitely look a bit fishy. Have you tried searching for some of the files in Google Images or TinyEye to see if they are available somewhere else than on Commons? Pinging @Masur who is also a native speaker of Polish and who's already had some experience with the user in question (per User talk:Bialysnieg). odder (talk) 08:30, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

The Chace has begun..

I have an odd feeling this may be your favourite blue sock..--Stemoc (talk) 14:53, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

We can keep an eye on the account, but I'm not seeing a direct obvious connection as yet. The focus on {{PD-US-no notice}} images isn't something I've seen before, especially with a long-lived sock like MyCanon. INeverCry 17:09, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Deleted Photos

I received a notification that several of my photos were deleted from commons after another editor tagged them as not being my own work. I assure you that they are and can even provide the high(er) resolution originals. They were taken over a period of several years with two different cameras. This is why the resolutions might not have matched-up. Is there anything I can do to have them restored? Constablequackers (talk) 12:11, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

You should post an undeletion request. INeverCry 15:53, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Will do. Thanks for the info. Constablequackers (talk) 10:06, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

File:Canada 1d 2010 Rev.png and File:Canada 1d 2010 Obv.png

Hi INeverCry, I noticed these files were deleted after the redlinks were removed from the Loonie article on EN. Could you tell me if there was enough information included here that they could be restored/copied to EN/re-deleted (and I'll add a FUR), or should I just look to find/upload new files locally at EN? Thanks! Resolute (talk) 00:02, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

He didn't give any source info, just "own work", which looks to be false, as these are professionally done. Have a look at this and this. INeverCry 01:19, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Ok, thank you. These would be under crown copyright even if one took their own photos, so I'll look to upload a new set locally. Cheers! Resolute (talk) 13:26, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Few recent copyvio deletions

Hi! You recently deleted few images listed below with your deletion summary as "Copyright violation, see Commons:Licensing". I, now, can't see what the deletion reason was actually presented. But seeing that all requests were placed by User:Boseritwik am guess the reason was "license clearly states ...with the explicit exception of images from non-Indian events, film sets, screenshots..." He has been on mass-copyvio-tagging-spree with this reason that clearly is not a valid one for "speedy deletion". The phrase "film sets" was added in the license through this edit on 19 October by User:SpacemanSpiff. If am not mistaken, he doesn't have OTRS access and such modification to license might not fully be based on what the OTRS actually says. Boseritwik has tagged plenty more images with same reason and i have contested the copyvio and given the reason on respective talk pages. Please suggest what needs to be done with below mentioned already deleted images.

§§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 03:43, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

I would suggest you post an undeletion request and/or bring this to the attention of an OTRS member. INeverCry 04:21, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
User:Sreejithk2000 agrees that we can't upload under said license Boseritwik (talk) 04:28, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I will take it to UDEL in a while. Have to stalk many more edits before that i guess. Thanks INeverCry. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 04:48, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Request opened at Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#Bollywood_Hungama_.22film_sets.22_images. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 09:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Looks like a product shoot

This gallery looks like a product shoot for a shoe advertisement. I can't see that any of the photos are in use. How odd? Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:21, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Meant as a promo no doubt, but many of these are high quality and good as stock images, illustrating flip-flops, couples, women, etc. Many but not all. Atleast they don't have watermarks. Some category work is needed, and probably a few need to be sent to DR, but most of these have value. I'll likely take another look thru these soon. It's almost bedtime right now. INeverCry 06:33, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


Could you delete 3 revisions made by Petr Reischig? Thanks! —Blurred Lines 16:55, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

✓  Done INeverCry 16:59, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


Can you please block IP Someone on that server is removing no permission tags. Thank you! —Blurred Lines 17:56, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

✓  Done INeverCry 18:45, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Block evasion

The IP,, has continued editing under —Blurred Lines 16:52, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

✓  Done I've put a couple blocks in place, and did a mass rollback of the IP. INeverCry 17:54, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hello, I would like to thanks for your trust. You gave me the autopatrol right and it's a real pleasure! Cordially • Frantogian You talkin' to me? • 18:26, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Face-smile.svg INeverCry 18:47, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Another one maybe?

Uploader of this image seems to fit the profile. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 06:55, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Have you seen who this is on Wikipedia? This would be the most decorated sock ever! In any event, the account hasn't edited here in over a year, so all we can really do is tag anything that's a copyvio and wonder about the rest. Face-wink.svg INeverCry 18:24, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
I poked them all and they trace back to various flickr accounts, moves from Wiki and etc. One had lost its original posting on Flickr, but the move from Wikipedia said it had been checked by an admin and found to be ok on that day. The only two I found that were marked "all rights reserved" had OTRS #s, so I'm going to assume it's all ok. I'm just not as certain what constitutes "flickrwashing" as some others, so I keep asking. Face-wink.svg Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:59, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Flickrwashing mostly involves new Flickr accounts, usually with a small number of uploads and/or the uploads are either blatant copyvios, or the Flickr account isn't reasonably likely to be the source/author of the images. These Flickrwashing accounts are usually pretty easy to spot, so you shouldn't have to dig too deep to find them. Now and then you get someone who knows what they're doing. As for Chace Watson, you're dealing with a long-term abuse sockmaster (5+ years) who has previously obtained licence-reviewer status here, so he's a relatively challenging guy to deal with. Here and especially on, many intelligent, long-time editors have ended up banned/blocked: I would figure a good number of these people are still highly active under sock accounts, often with advanced user rights, and, dare I say it, a few of them are even likely to be admins. Face-tongue.svg INeverCry 19:38, 13 March 2014 (UTC)


This is a routine placeholder image, but unlike most placeholders (e.g. File:Front.jpg or File:Logo.jpg) it's not a redirect to File:Name.jpg. I recently requested at COM:AN/B that it be redirected there (after a housekeeping deletion of the image) and then protected against reuploading, but it got protected without any changes to the image. Could you please delete the image, restore current protection, and then redirect it? Nyttend (talk) 04:39, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

From looking at the deleted revisions, it looks like Magog the Ogre already did that on March 5, but that the image was then deleted by Fastily in a move of some sort, and then a few days later, protected, etc, as it now is, by Denniss. It's a bit confusing. INeverCry 04:59, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
I turned down the deletion, but I decided not to make a scene after Fastily deleted it. I ask (again) that Fastily slow review his admin actions before completing them. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 23:53, 13 March 2014 (UTC)


I added some photos for this request, but clownaman Arnurfo is neither deleted nor kept. Please decide something about him. Taivo (talk) 18:18, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

✓  Done INeverCry 19:28, 14 March 2014 (UTC)



Merci pour les droits et pour m'avoir prévenue. Au plaisir de vous recroiser, Calame (talk) 22:49, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. INeverCry 20:56, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Found, under the couch...

FYI, Per Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Shahzaib Jamal, Shahzaib Jamal & Shahzab Jamal uploaded pictures of same person, saying "me" in both cases. Discussion says user previously blocked or stopped from uploading? Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:44, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I've blocked both accounts. The block logs don't show any previous blocks. If you see any other socks of this user, feel free to block them and nuke their uploads. INeverCry 21:02, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for Autopatrol rights

Thanks for granting me this right. I'm grateful for some recognition in Commons where I contribute whenever I can but where I'm not a primary resident (I'm based in en:WP). 05:45, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. INeverCry 16:26, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


I haven't done a speedy yet, but I think this page might qualify File:Scroll-decree announcing the appointment Sangye Gyatso.jpeg. I nominated it here and the uploader has a pile of other images culled from (c) websites. He seems very unclear on the concept. This image he has now credited both with a (c) to the photographer and also with a PD-art tag. I would really like to just hit DEL since it's obviously now a copyvio, but I don't know the rules and limits by which to do that to an image I nominated. Thanks for all your help as always! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:58, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

I've deleted it. In cases like this, you can tag it for CSD, but I wouldn't advise you to ever close your own DR. If/when you see obvious copyvios you can either tag them for CSD or, in blatant cases, just delete them (you can notify the uploader afterward, to atleast leave a record of their copyvio upload/s, in case they continue to upload copyvios and a block becomes needed). I do a lot of speedy tagging, but when I see a Britney Spears CD cover, or a pic sourced to google, I often just zap them. As a new admin, you may be better off just tagging images for CSD until you're comfortable with the the deletion process. Images that are very likely copyvios or blatant copyvios should be tagged for speedy deletion rather than DR. INeverCry 19:25, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


I think it may fall below TOO, and it was used in a Wikipedia article. It was marked as "no permission" so I started a DR for discussion of whether it could be kept even without permission. Rybec (talk) 03:17, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

I restored Commons:Deletion requests/File:LUDO-ZOUZOUS.gif so that the DR can run its course. I also put in my 2 cents. INeverCry 03:30, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. Rybec (talk) 08:41, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


Thank you for autopatrolled flag! :-) --Phyrexian ɸ 13:45, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Face-smile.svg INeverCry 16:29, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


This username may be labeled as a company, or a certain website. —Blurred Lines 15:20, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Tenerife is a Spanish island. The website is here. INeverCry 16:31, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

TENERIFEWEEK 16:38, 17 March 2014 (UTC) All these pictures are made by us, Digital Magazine are our work for the digital magazine paper and made it in Tenerife ... photo frames have painters permission because they did a feature promotional exposure in our publication ... we own all rights to these images that we share here....greetings We want to share our photographic work with all the world .. enjoy it

Our magazine is free for everyone, both on the web and in the paper version, it costs nothing

I may also fear that this account is being used by a group per this edit summary [1]. —Blurred Lines 16:50, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
It looks to represent the magazine, but I don't see any direct promotion of the magazine itself, which is something that could bring about a block. We'll have to see what results from the mass DR you filed. INeverCry 17:06, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Removing empty categories

Is this something that we can just do, or is there a process to it. Example would be this category which is now empty. Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 21:03, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

I usually just delete empty cats on sight. You can look at Commons:Deletion_policy#Categories for the policy, but admins tagging empty cats for speedy is a waste of time. I've deleted this one. INeverCry 21:15, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

File:Westboro Baptist Church Picket Group Photo Topeka KS.jpg

you deleted this file even though the website clearly states it is PD and I mentioned that? Mdupont (talk) 05:24, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I think the issue here was that the statement "You may use any of our material free of charge for any reason" isn't a clear enough statement of exactly what free license this would place material under, i.e. it doesn't explicitly allow derivative works and commercial use (see COM:L). If you disagree or just want a second opinion, you can post an undeletion request at COM:UDEL. INeverCry 16:02, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


Hi, a while ago you gave me autopatrol rights. Now is my question: if I wanna mark contributions, I also need special rights I think? Because I wanna do more on Wikimedia Commons, can you tell me how the procedure is? Or is it only for moderators? Grtz. - Richardkw (talk) 13:52, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

FYI, Jurgen already gave him patroller and rollback rights. Jianhui67 talkcontribs 15:45, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Thnx. That's right indeed! Grtz. --Richardkw (talk) 18:58, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

More from the PD-US tagger

I'd hoped the user would do better with sourcing and dating when uploading again. Thanks, We hope (talk) 18:03, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

✓  Done I've deleted these, and blocked the uploader. Playing dumb about copyright and licensing only goes so far. INeverCry 18:13, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
As always, Thanks!! :) We hope (talk) 20:14, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Fw: Autopatrol given

Thank you very much for your words, INeverCry. Regards. :-) — Ketamino (talk) 01:24, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. INeverCry 03:34, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Deletion Appeal for File:FComite_-_Headshot.jpg and File:Doctor Florence Comite (Office).jpg

Can you please let me know when these files can be restored? The required permissions have been sent via email and are also posted here: Commons:UR#File:FComite_-_Headshot.jpg_File:Doctor_Florence_Comite_.28Office.29.jpg Thank you Juda S. Engelmayer (talk)

The link to the permission shows me a statement that still limits/restricts commercial use. Images can't have restricted licenses regarding commercial usage. INeverCry 23:37, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
If we’re talking about the “Print Rights“ document, it also implies the licence it grants to be conditional on a purchase from the issuer, requires written permission for use outside a fairly narrow scope, claims copyright over derivative works, and states that any use of the images constitutes acceptance of its terms. The only part that can appear in a “free licence” as understood here is the insistence on attribution, as in the CC-BY-SA 3.0.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 02:53, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Good afternoon,
The photographer sent the full permissions to OTRS. I do not think reloading the pictures would be appropriate, but would the Wikimedia admins undelete once the conversation is closed?
copy is below:
Thank you... Juda S. Engelmayer (talk)
Hi Juda. Once the OTRS email is processed, an OTRS member/administrator can restore the images and add the OTRS info. If you want to check on the progress, or ask any other questions related to the OTRS email, you can ask at the OTRS noticeboard. OTRS is usually a bit backlogged, so it could take a little while. INeverCry 20:00, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

A favor, please

I just did some work on re-licensing this file File:Hindenburg disaster, 1937.jpg , as it turns out to be an AP photo. Would you mind taking a look at the re-work of it to see if it makes sense to you? Thanks, We hope (talk) 20:21, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

It looks ok to me, but to be honest, you know more about these licenses than I do. I actually specialize in sock and spambot IPs and useragents, and perhaps unused personal images. Face-wink.svg INeverCry 20:30, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Needing to work on the original and the re-issue made for a bit of a tangle. This seems to be the "iconic" Hindenburg photo, so was trying to find a way for us to keep it. Sometimes another eye or ear is just what's needed because you're a little too "close" to what you're trying to do or what's going on. As I tell my friends, I might not be able to solve the problem, but I can listen. Thanks for doing that! :) We hope (talk) 20:56, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


Thank you for your trust INeverCry:) Alteaven (talk) 03:00, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. INeverCry 16:28, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Python shedding?

A couple of things from tonight...

  • this has to be one of the oddest galleries I've ever seen. I nominated the whole pile as out of scope. Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:22, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
  • I hope I didn't screw up, but I hit delete on this one: this here without filing for nomination. Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:33, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
  • The images in this gallery are attached to a page of dubious notability over on enWiki. What is the best way to proceed? Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:44, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Dozens of some kind of cutouts on this user's upload gallery are confusing. None that I poked were in use. Is there a point to these? Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:47, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
The test account is a bit strange, since it states it's "wmf QA" on the userpage. I've asked User:Mdennis (WMF) about it. The Bieber image was an attack image, demeaning it's subject, so the deletion was definitely the right thing to do. I've also blocked the uploader indef as a vandalism only account. I would suggest you block any attack-image uploaders the same way in future. As for the other stuff, see Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Mark.f.reyes, and Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Haziq man. INeverCry 15:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Here is the cutest possible kitten for you

Kitty wants you to have ...

Thank you for mentoring me! The Ossum Mentor of New and Confused Admins Barnstar
This barnstar is for INeverCry in honor of his continuing patience with a new kitteh and a large ball of grey tangled WikiCommons brand yarn. Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:16, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
The big cat has to show the kitten the way, and especially how to use her claws. Face-wink.svg INeverCry 18:35, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Here's another one which confuses me this gallery has a series of "nature photos" but solarized and etc. plus a series of what looks like personal art, categorized into a ceramics category. Meow? Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:41, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by C-perspect-bur4. Some of these are in even stranger categories, like File:Debutant.jpg, and especially File:Vredenburger filmpie.JPG. INeverCry 18:50, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

One more... two deletions requests, the images are iPhone apparently rephotographed. Anonymous responder claims two people to be the creators of photo, not clear if either of them is the uploader. Uploader's name implies connection with the project. It's a tangled ball of very fuzzy yarn, please help...Commons:Deletion_requests/File:ProtagonistasJBM_WIKI.jpg & Commons:Deletion_requests/File:BosqueSeco_WIKI.jpg. Ellin Beltz (talk) 02:43, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I would direct them to OTRS. INeverCry 03:34, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

One track mind gallery. Ellin Beltz (talk) 06:32, 22 March 2014 (UTC) A perhaps useful tool for finding More of Same. Ellin Beltz (talk) 06:36, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I was about to have breakfast! Now I'll have to wait a bit. INeverCry 16:25, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about your breakfast... I found another set of interlinking uploads of celebrities: See here and here. All uploads by another one were zapped. Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:39, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


This User:Aroncarpenter might be the next sock. --Túrelio (talk) 21:26, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Symbol unlikely.svg Unlikely This acct doesn't quite fit the MO. Renuvarma uploads hardcore porn, usually with filenames that are explicit and disgusting, referring to sisters and mothers, etc. INeverCry 21:53, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:Faisalabad ClockTower.jpg

Hi INeverCry! Could you please recheck Commons:Deletion requests/File:Faisalabad ClockTower.jpg. The file was deleted by you but the DR was not archived. Please note that in this DR I nominated additionally File:Islamiacollegepesh.jpeg... could you please also check this file? Thx for your work. Gunnex (talk) 08:11, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

✓  Done by Fastily. Gunnex (talk) 08:28, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

re Deletion of file = 1980 EPLAX - Vero Catalogue.jpg

20:24, 29 November 2013 INeverCry (talk | contribs) deleted page File:EPLAX - Vero Catalogue.jpg (not own work) (global usage; delinker log)

This deletion does not seem to show in your current Deletion log - the new aim is to upload the same file as Own Work with

Source = Extracted from EPLAX website

Permission = CC By SA 3.0

Author = self

Other information = Intellectual property owned by EPLAX GmbH, Bremen with permission to reproduce granted by email 2013-11-27

Could you please advise on recreating this file ?

Thanks Tfitzp (talk) 21:25, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

That permission email you refer to would have to be sent to COM:OTRS and confirmed before the image can be hosted on Commons. The email should be from, seeing that this file is from INeverCry 23:04, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Is there an Arabic editor?

I found a gallery [2] of paintings by a living painter (nominated). Also in that gallery are photos which go to this wiki page and which appear to be news, promotional or professional photos dating from around the 1970s. But with no descriptions on the files, and I don't read arabic well enough to make out the captions, I do not wish to proceed on those photos. One for sure is from 1975, but again, was it published? Who knows without descriptions. The files are in use. Thanks for all your help! Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC) PS: the uploader's name is same as a page to which they added images, so promotional... here. Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:14, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

That's actually Sorani Kurdish language. I don't know of anyone really active here who's fluent. INeverCry 19:03, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Category:User ckb might be helpful. Revicomplaint? 03:55, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
The only 2 "active" editors there are User:Paraw who has 48 edits, and is en-2, and User:Calak who has 75 edits and doesn't indicate any English understanding, though he may have some understanding. INeverCry 04:09, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
@Ellin Beltz, INeverCry: Date of these pictures according to its descriptions:
File:Kurdish- poet-qani.jpg: less than 1965
File:Safwat Jarah سەفوەت جەراح.jpg: 1982
File:هونەرمەند سەفوەت جەراح لە فیلمی فارس بن حمدان.jpg: 1974
File:سەفوەت جەراح لە زنجیرەی ناسکە لەگەڵ دەرهێنەر سەعدون یونس.jpg: 1987
File:Safwat Jarah سەفوەت جەراح.jpg: 1982
File:لە راستەوە سەفوەت جەراح، دووهەم و سێهەم نەناسراو، چوارەم مصطفی العقاد پێنجەم ئەنتۆنی کویین و خێزانەکەی لە بەغدا لە سالی حەفتاکان.jpg: 1975
--Calak (talk) 13:38, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

@Calak Thank you very much. Ellin Beltz (talk) 21:29, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

@Ellin Beltz: you are welcome.--Calak (talk) 22:13, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

File:Royal Standard of Sweden (1844–1905).svg

Can you explain why you deleted this? I see no complaint or proper motivation anywhere.

Peter Isotalo 22:04, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

It was tagged as using copyvio Katepanomegas lions. INeverCry 22:08, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
Here's the 3 images deleted after being tagged for using Katepanomegas lions. The tagger was an IP:
   (change visibility) 13:32, March 25, 2014 (diff | deletion log | view) . . File:Royal Standard of Sweden and Norway (1815-1844).svg
   (change visibility) 13:32, March 25, 2014 (diff | deletion log | view) . . File:Royal Standard of Sweden (1844–1905).svg
   (change visibility) 13:20, March 25, 2014 (diff | deletion log | view) . . File:Coat of arms of Sweden and Norway (1844–1905).svg

I know we've had a sockmaster focusing on Katepanomegas in the past, so let me know if you don't think these deletions were right. INeverCry 22:12, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Hard for me to tell without the images, but I'll take your word on it. Thanks for the clarification.
Peter Isotalo 23:18, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Hamish McHamish

Hi. I've just re-added the photo you deleted. As declared previously, I took it and it belongs to me (although not anymore because I'm trying to donate it to Commons!). I've reiterated that this time in the extra notes, as well as just with the boilerplate. It's not a copyright violation in any way. But thanks for your diligence. Cardinal Wurzel (talk) 09:23, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

I've responded on your talk. INeverCry 17:29, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

That web page had no right to use the picture (although I don't mind). I had previously allowed its author to use it for a free magazine she runs. But fine, I've emailed the address you suggested. Cardinal Wurzel (talk) 18:20, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Hopefully that'll get things cleared up quickly. If you need to check on progress, you can post a question at COM:OTRS/N. INeverCry 18:24, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Help with this gallery

Hi INC: Here's another one for your suggestions, this user's gallery, seems to be one blurry sideways photo, perhaps a selfie, the others are screenshots of wiki project pages. Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:07, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by JesúsD. INeverCry 18:23, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


You happen to know any edit filter managers here? —Blurred Lines 18:11, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

You can see some active users here. INeverCry 18:26, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Retirement / removal of rights

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Face-crying.svg Trijnsteltalk 22:38, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Don't do it :( There are just to many pictures that need to be deleted and there are to many socks who need to be blocked. We need you. Natuur12 (talk) 22:40, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
+1 Face-crying.svg /St1995 12:54, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
I'm sad to see you leave, could you please reconsider? Savhñ 15:59, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
You may want to just cut back on your volunteer load and take a break from using some rights and feeling responsible for some backlogs? You've taken on a lot and you do it impressively well. There is no shame in picking out out the jobs you enjoy most from the backlog, and leaving the others to languish or taking a break for a while to focus on content. At the end of the day you are not getting paid to do it, it should not become a chore or a burdensome duty. It helps if the wider Commons Community appreciates where we have difficult backlogs, and if some reach critical mass or even failure, it may help discussion and fresh ideas on how to resolve it or refocus it. It is about time we pushed an innovative programme to attract active admins, get quiet admins back out of the closet or even to hand off some jobs to non-admins using more narrow rights, or bots for basic tasks. We have fewer cultural issues than some other Wikimedia projects, so it may be a big project but it is not a lost cause. :-) -- (talk) 16:34, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Picture of the Year 2013 Results Announcement

Picture of the Year 2013 Results

The 2013 Picture of the Year. View all results »

Dear INeverCry,

The 2013 Picture of the Year competition has ended and we are pleased to announce the results: We shattered participation records this year — more people voted in Picture of the Year 2013 than ever before. In both rounds, 4070 different people voted for their favorite images. Additionally, there were more image candidates (featured pictures) in the contest than ever before (962 images total).

  • In the first round, 2852 people voted for all 962 files
  • In the second round, 2919 people voted for the 50 finalists (the top 30 overall and top 2 in each category)

We congratulate the winners of the contest and thank them for creating these beautiful images and sharing them as freely licensed content:

  1. 157 people voted for the winner, an image of a lightbulb with the tungsten filament smoking and burning.
  2. In second place, 155 people voted for an image of "Sviati Hory" (Holy Mountains) National Park in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine.
  3. In third place, 131 people voted for an image of a swallow flying and drinking.

Click here to view the top images »

We also sincerely thank to all 4070 voters for participating and we hope you will return for next year's contest in early 2015. We invite you to continue to participate in the Commons community by sharing your work.

the Picture of the Year committee

You are receiving this message because you voted in the 2013 Picture of the Year contest.

Delivered by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Administrator Barnstar Hires.png The Admin's Barnstar
Because you're always here and able to take care of problems that go "bump" day or night. If you're spinning your wheels, then there are a lot of us who are doing the same thing.

I hope you'll be able to see how many of us depend on you as the "go to guy" for just about everything on the project and stay. Take some time off, if need be, but this project and the people who work with it really do need you! We hope (talk) 23:01, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

당신을 위한 반스타!

Barnstar of Diligence Hires.png 성실 반스타
For your work... Hope you come back soon! Revicomplaint? 13:47, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


Ciao INeverCry,

Deletion of the Village Pump because of a false argument 'roof too complex'. There is no roof on the image. Please place it back.
TIA, greetings and salutations  Klaas|Z4␟V:  14:05, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Прошу відновити файли

Прошу відновити безпідставно видалені файли, що є моєю власною роботою:

  • File:Пам'ятник М. Гоголю, Шишаки, 1963 рік.jpg
  • File:Студенти Писарівщинського ветзоотехнікуму на дозвіллі, 1957.jpg
  • File:Самогонний апарат у тайзі..jpg
  • File:Річка Ворскла біля села Писарівщина.jpg
  • File:Річка Стрий біля села Підгородці. Сколівський район, Львівська область, Україна.jpg
  • File:Створ Ровин, 1973.jpg
  • File:Сопіт (водоспад).jpg
  • File:Свято пісні, Шишаки, 1962.jpg
  • File:Різдвяно-Богородицька церква, Великі Будища.jpg
  • File:Річка Стеха, Ковалівка, 1959.jpg
  • File:SYD005.jpg
  • File:SE005.jpg

--Ejensyd (talk) 20:49, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Don't bother. He just resingned as an administrator. You can better make this request at com:UNDEL Natuur12 (talk) 22:06, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


To read about your bad health. Take care, — Racconish Tk 22:35, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

+1. Take care. Jee 03:16, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Me too. Revicomplaint? 03:52, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I will miss you. Ellin Beltz (talk) 05:34, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

+1, Thanks for all you've done. Hope you'll be feeling better soon and be active here again as an editor. We hope (talk) 12:33, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your work. Take care. JurgenNL (talk) 08:19, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

+1, thank you for your outstanding help! --Krd 08:34, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
+1, thanks for everything you've contributed and take care! Regards, AFBorchert (talk) 10:59, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
Barnstar Admin.png Thank you for everything!
Taivo (talk) 15:31, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
+1 and get better soon :) Thanks for all your tireless and hard work here! Jianhui67 talkcontribs 15:55, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Come back soon

Hi INeverCry, I was sad to see that you have left, hopefully just for the time being. I hope to see you back soon. You have been doing a great job here as an admin, and your help to the project has been valuable. --(✉→Arctic Kangaroo←✎) 03:51, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree. Hope you come back soon. --Pimbrils (talk) 18:25, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for all you've done.

Iron barnstar.jpg Thanks for all you've done.
Thanks for all your tireless and hard work here! -- Steinsplitter (talk) 23:03, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Udaya Gammanpila's Photograph [Deleted]

Good Day to You !!!

Today I saw that Hon Udaya's Photograph has deleted by you as an action to the Obi2canibe's request, But I am regretful to say that your conclusion is wrong,As far as I Know Mr Anuradha never does Copyright Violations intentionally and also to mention he is a former politician in Sri Lanka,and comes from a quite powerful political family, This background itself is enough to have a Photograph of a Sri Lankan politician like Udaya with him,or get permission to upload to the Wiki,Even I have uploaded an Official Photographic Portrait of a Sri Lankan Minister with his consent ->
Below Links will Give an estimate about the Uploader. (Mr Anuradha's Wiki Page) (Mr Anuradha's Wiki User Page) (Mr Anuradha's alternative account used to upload Photos such as the Deleted Photo) (Deleted Photo)

NB:Even the Exif Data was available in the Deleted File.
Please Reconsider about this Photograph,Thank You in Advance Face-smile.svg --MediaJet talk 15:50, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
MediaJet: INeverCry is not active now; so try COM:UNDEL. Jee 16:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks,Sad to hear that he is Inactive again Face-sad.svg--MediaJet talk 06:14, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

По поводу файла File:Игорь Александрович Бурганов.jpg

17 января 2014 года Вами был удалён File:Игорь Александрович Бурганов.jpg. 7 апреля 2014 года пришло разрешение в OTRS от автора фотографии на публикацию под лицензиями CC-BY-SA 3.0 и GFDL. Просьба восстановить файл. Заранее спасибо! С уважением, --Dogad75 (talk) 17:45, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) INeverCry is no longer an administrator, so you will probably have to ask someone else.
(Google-Russian) INeverCry не является администратором больше, так что вы, вероятно, придется попросить кого-нибудь.—Odysseus1479 (talk) 00:46, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Kitten (06) by Ron.jpg

Please cheer up and get well soon.

Michaeldsuarez (talk) 11:27, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


Hi, I noticed you have set up User:MiszaBot to archive your talk page. Unfortunately, the bot has stopped working, and given how its operator is inactive, it is unclear when/if this will fixed. For the time being, I have volunteered to operate a MiszaBot clone (running the exact same code). With that said, your input would be appreciated at Commons:Bots/Requests/ArchiveBot 1. Regards, FASTILY 07:41, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Unblock of Special:Contributions/JohnHirth

Hi. This user have send me an e-mail because he has been blocked (spambot). User wants to upload media and since user never edited on Commons I could find no evidence of spam on Commons. Unless you have some good arguments I think we could give user a chance to contribute to Commons. --MGA73 (talk) 19:43, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Seems you are not active so I'll unblock and keep an eye out for the users edits. --MGA73 (talk) 17:16, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Abuse from IPhonehurricane95

Please indef block his newest sockpuppet on Wikimedia Commons, User:IPhonehurricane93. After he got rangeblocked on Wikipedia for a month, he decided to come here and attack me on my talk page. Can you please also run a sleeper check for any possible hidden accounts on Commons as well? Thanks. BlueHypercane761 (talk) 01:15, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

INC isn't active right now; please post this at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems. We hope (talk) 01:20, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Rahul Gandhi

Hi! As you were the acting admin at this DR Commons:Deletion requests/File:Rahul Gandhi.JPG, can you please check if the image deleted is same as File:Rahul Gandhi.jpg? I can't remember it with surety, but i guess its a crop of the one deleted. We might have to get this one deleted too. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 07:40, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I checked. It is not the same image. File:Rahul Gandhi.jpg is a crop of a file from en-wiki. I added some info. --MGA73 (talk) 10:40, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks User:MGA73. I transferred it to Commons at File:Rahul Gandhi (full).jpg now. And that was stupid of me to even post this. The image deleted in DR can be seen at the two external links i had posted at the DR! Clin §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:19, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Can you please delete one image

Hallo INeverCry, can you please delete this image. It is a auction painting. I have seen too late that the auction only on 12 May 2014 takes place. I will then re-upload the image after mid-May. thanks and greetings --Trzęsacz (talk) 20:50, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

INC isn't active right now. If you make the request at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard, I'm sure someone will be able to help you out. We hope (talk) 20:59, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
thanks for information. I have make the request at... --Trzęsacz (talk) 21:32, 2 May 2014 (UTC)


Hello how are you? I have a complaint relating to the user:Ich Pilot and his Sock puppetry (user:B88, user:Khny ,user:Zwanzig 20) he mad many of new uploads, which are not based on sources or in which the selection of sources, I asked him (user:Ich Pilot) to debate before doing any change, and I brought a variety of sources in order to debate, but he refuses to debate and even attack me. here is example for one of his personal attacks: by user:B88 attack my personal page and puting pictures calling me fascists and anther picture as: If jesus came kill him again!. Thank you and have a nice day.--Jobas (talk) 12:41, 13 May 2014 (UTC)


Hi INeverCry, I saw you left a message on another user page grantin the autropatrolled status. So, I wanted to ask you, how can one request to be an autopatrolled user? Best!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 3BRBS (talk • contribs)
✓  Done Rodhullandemu (talk) 22:36, 18 May 2014 (UTC)


Good to see you back! JurgenNL (talk) 16:14, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Good to see you too. INeverCry 16:18, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Hope fine and good in health. Jee 16:46, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Still not in very good health, but seeing doctors & getting better soon hopefully. I just figured I'd do a few things here however often I can. INeverCry 16:53, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Our prayers and encouragements, far away from Kerala, India. Jee 17:05, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I appreciate it. Face-smile.svg INeverCry 17:09, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Welcome back! Jcb (talk) 19:51, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Yay!! You're back!! So glad to see you! Ellin Beltz (talk) 20:19, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Johan & Ellin!

Ellin, allow me to commiserate with you on the dental issues, as I myself have some dentistry to look forward to in the very near future. My last two pulls resulted in dry sockets... I also need a procedure to re-open the tearduct of my right eye, one or more to deal with a deviated septum, etc. What drunken gods thought to confine these highflying minds of ours in these crumbling, drooping prisons of flesh and bone? I'm sure they had a good laugh. INeverCry 00:03, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Mine's not as bad as yours, but it sure hurts and keeps my brains all fuzzy! Ellin Beltz (talk) 15:24, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

You're back?! Face-surprise.svg Happy to see your name again, but please also take care of yourself. Ow, and have fun here of course! Trijnsteltalk 20:08, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Trijnstel! I hope my unexpected disappearance didn't give you too much extra work. I'm kinda back, but I got health insurance in April, and lots of treatment since and going forward. In just an hour from now I'll be getting a CT scan for future sinus surgery and an eye procedure. I've got many other doctors visits and tests on the calendar... I'll be around here and there though. INeverCry 21:12, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Good to see you back. Take care. Cheers, — Racconish ✉ 21:30, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. INeverCry 21:12, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi INC, great to see that you are back! All the best with the health issues and hope they will be over soon. cheers, --Graphium 09:32, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm almost 40, so I guess "soon" can be allowed to stretch out a bit at my age... Face-tongue.svg INeverCry 21:12, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

Choco-Nut Bake with Meringue Top cropped.jpg Not health food but "happy food" to say it's good to see you here again! We hope (talk) 17:56, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! I'm happy to hear from you! I missed the place...though not the spambots/socks and admin hassles. I'm just going to do my own thing and relax. Face-wink.svg INeverCry 18:05, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
We missed you, welcome back :-). --Steinsplitter (talk) 20:25, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I missed you too...and a few other people here... Face-tongue.svg INeverCry 00:06, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Cute grey kitten.jpg

Yay! You're back! Woo-hoo! Have a cute kitten to cuddle and hug while you relax :-)

odder (talk) 12:25, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Tomasz! I've never been able to stay away, so I just take "breaks" when needed. As long as I can stay away from those extra pain in the ass buttons, I'll be ok. If it was up to me we'd have a deletion bot that closed as delete all uncontested DRs, deleted the cat:unknown images, and the CSDs (I bet that would go over real well with everyone!). Anyways, I'm dealing with doctors, call-backs, referrals, and insurance authorizations at the moment, so the kitten should come in handy. Face-wink.svg INeverCry 16:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm with you on the autobot. Sounds like heaven. I vote for "No source since 6 months ago (and earlier)" Whammo. "No categories since 6 months ago (and earlier)" Whammo. 24 hours after upload if a field is empty Whammo. 24 hours after DR nom. overdue Whammo. I dunno what a CSD is but as long as it's got nothing to do with real live Cats (Felix felix), I'm sure I would agree, too! My new cat sends you waves and wiggles as I wait for two more weeks of misery to happen. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 14:25, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
I really do think a lot of deletions should be handled by bots. I would also end all IP editing and encourage a few other things that most people would scream about, like more aggressive and extensive rangeblocking. CSD is speedy deletion btw. Good to hear about the new cat, but not the 2 weeks. You've got pain meds no? I like cats, but I'm not much of a pet owner. I haven't had one in many years, unless you count my 500+ books, which I kinda treat like pets. Face-wink.svg INeverCry 21:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

A small cup of coffee.JPG Hi, This Coffee Will Bring A Smile To Your Day :) ~ Nahid Talk 12:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Nahid, and congrats on becoming an admin! INeverCry 16:49, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

Gaufre biscuit.jpg Since it will get sticky pretty fast here! WELCOME BACK! Hedwig in Washington (mail?) 13:17, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Hedwig! Glad to see you're still around! INeverCry 00:23, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Civility Barnstar Hires.png The Civility Barnstar
Stay safe; you've a generous heart. Jee 02:51, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Please stay

High_Contast, Magnolia677, and I aren't worth retiring over. Please stay. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 03:18, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg I now realized you were on! Get well soon... :D Revicomplaint? 13:26, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Come back…

…when you feel like. I hope it is really soon (days, not weeks). -- Tuválkin 19:06, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't know you much, but I've seen your help many times. I hope you will come back soon.--Rapsar (talk) 08:04, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Please try again

Not sure if you check back here at all, but hope you're feeling better and might be in the mood to think about coming back to Commons-you should have never left. Know that you're missed and that it's hoped you'll come back. You did a lot of good for this project; we can't afford to lose people like you. We hope (talk) 22:30, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey old friend. I guess I'll stick around a bit longer. I've missed the drama anyways... Face-tongue.svg INeverCry 21:35, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Really nice to hear again from you. --Didym (talk) 21:54, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
It's so good to see you're back!! Maybe it's the secret recipe we have for Popcornmaker.jpg when the drama starts! :)

We hope (talk) 22:47, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Hiya INC

Glad to see you back again. I'd love your opinion on how I'm doing at 6 months so far admin; since you're the one who nominated me. HUGS! Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:11, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ellin. 1st let me return the hugs. ;) As for your admin performance, an average of 1100 log actions per month is higher than most, and It looks like you've gotten a very low level of complaints. Just imagine what a nutcase I was when I was averaging 15000 log actions per month here and 5000 on at the same time! You've got to try some blocking though: you're missing out! Another thing I always enjoyed doing was finding experienced people to make autopatrolled. Odder beat me to 1000 there though... ;) INeverCry 02:08, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Blocks?? I have some with different letters on each side, that's about as fancy as I know how. HUGS! Ellin Beltz (talk) 00:17, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Welcome back! I wasn't active as I was because of my school things, but I'll be active again. Revicomplaint? 07:02, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. It's good to hear from you. School is very important of course, but that never stopped me from hating every painfully slow and boring moment of it... Face-wink.svg

Abuse of CU

Heya INC, how you doing mate, hope all is well. I tried to email you but you seem to have shut those emails down, that's cool. Just elaborate on your comment at the RfC about never having seen abuse, this (and the resultant thread) might be some interesting reading for you :( russavia (talk) 22:33, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey old friend. I've got email connected as of late last night, for the first time since going on temporary retirement a month or so ago.

I never saw abuse personally or heard of your case, but I'm not surprised, seeing that it's the evil mastermind Russavia. That kind of shit would've been kept to private emails, maybe CU-IRC, which I never used, and never had access to, etc.

I looked into old logs a bit when I was a new CU to see how Herby handled spambots, spammy ranges, etc, and to see how things were done in general. I never saw any log entries of checks run on your account. Don't quote me, and I may just not have ran into your entries, but I would figure that WMF staff, OC, and likely stewards can hide/remove CU log entries, just like oversighters do with regular log entries like user creations...

As for me, I've always done my own thing, and tried my best to keep from becoming a member of the Вики-КПСС... INeverCry 02:41, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for deleting

Thank you for deleting category[3]. However, didn't you close wrong debate[4]?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 本日晴天 (talk • contribs) 07:42, 8 August 2014‎ (UTC)
Thanks. I must have missed the other one. Both are deleted and closed now. INeverCry 08:43, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you!--本日晴天 (talk) 11:33, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome, and thanks for bringing that problem to my attention so I could fix it. INeverCry 15:55, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you beforehand for undeleting

See mistakenly deleted (by you) Lorea's collective logo

Used, prior to deletion, here : [[5]]

Reason: Did anybody reclaim it? Lorea's logo is owned by Lorea's collective. I'm part of that collective. It will only make the bureaucratic process longer... I think but if you want me to, i can put you in touch with the individual author (a Lorea's member too). But again, we feel like a collective, as long as the whole is always greater than the sum of the individual parts. Thanks for you comprehension

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Llopis73 (talk • contribs) 07:14, August 8, 2014‎ (UTC)
Hi. I actually didn't delete that particular logo, another admin did. I simply tagged it to be deleted because it's a complex logo lacking evidence of permission for release under a free license by the copyright holder. The copyright holder will have to follow the process detailed at COM:OTRS and send a permission email. An email from a email account would be preferable. INeverCry 15:54, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Undelete request

Hi there. Can you undelete File:Ivana Spanovic by Augustas Didzgalvis.jpg? We have confirmation that the uploading user (User talk:BigHead) is the content owner so there are no copyright issues. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 14:58, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

What confirmation? INeverCry 22:43, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) It appears to be this page on the photographer’s website. (In case it gets taken down, it might still be advisable to obtain an OTRS ticket.)—Odysseus1479 (talk) 02:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
✓  Done Restored, link added, and categorized. INeverCry 03:03, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Cherry and Spoon

Why do you bother asking, when you're going to delete it anyway? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:03, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I didn't invent FoP, and I don't really like doing FoP deletions a whole lot, but the Cherry and Spoon's a modern US sculpture, so what can I do? It had to go... INeverCry 05:21, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Have you looked for and deleted all other photos of it? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:35, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
This, for example. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 09:38, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
See Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Claes Oldenburg. INeverCry 18:09, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


comes too late. Please remove. --4028mdk09 (talk) 18:37, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

What? INeverCry 18:45, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
That user, Gerardus, died in 2011, thus the notice is "too late." Эlcobbola talk 18:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I've reverted it. I wish there were some way of stopping VisualFileChange from leaving notices on pages of deceased editors tagged with {{Nobots}} when doing mass DRs. @Rillke: INeverCry 19:08, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
INC, glad to see you are back. This is a feature that I consider for "curator" that will be ready at unknown time. I am sorry, that there is no quick fix to that issue. Also I am not sure whether it is the right way because there might be some people interested in the user's works who are watching that talk page. -- Rillke(q?) 20:33, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi Rillke, it's good to see you. You make a great point that others may be interested in such DRs in order to comment, etc. INeverCry 00:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

File:Terminator's head.jpg

Hi, see here, regards Gniewko, syn rybaka (talk) 10:31, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of File:Klaus-johannis-560x778.jpg

Hi. Please help me understand why this file was deleted and please tell me how to upload it again.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by ArchGabriel33 (talk • contribs) 00:30, August 13, 2014‎ (UTC)
It was deleted because it comes from which has an All Rights Reserved copyright notice. OTRS permission from the copyright holder is needed. INeverCry 03:10, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of Category:Music

There must be an error, I can't find any discussion in your recent contributions to legitimate such a deletion, with 54 subcategories and 4,972 files to move from it. It's exceptional to see that into Special:WantedCategories. JackPotte (talk) 15:25, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

And could you please also restore Category:Trance which is a well-known kind of music, so in the scope? JackPotte (talk) 15:33, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of restoring this for now as it seems to have a rich substructure; perhaps some discussion as to whether we need it should begin? Also moved Category:Trance to Category:Trance music for clarity and to match at least some of its Wikidata items. Cheers. Rodhullandemu (talk) 15:38, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
@Rodhullandemu: I see what happened. Have a look at this. I didn't intend to delete those categories at all. I used DeleteLinks to delete what I thought were 4 out of scope talkpages created by a socking self-promoter; I must not have seen that the DeleteLinks were actually attached to those 3 categories the sock added and to the one talkpage he created, rather than 4 talkpages (I used DLs from his contribs). Thanks for fixing that ridiculous and embarrasing mistake so quickly Rod, and thanks @JackPotte: for catching it. I hope the sockmaster doesn't speak English very well, otherwise he may be having a good laugh at my expense... INeverCry 16:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
INeverCry you nitwit, you were supposed to move it to Category:Moosik. :) russavia (talk) 17:50, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
✓  Done Face-tongue.svg INeverCry 20:54, 16 August 2014 (UTC)


I just finished blocking 15 new socks of this prolific sockmaster, and deleting 50+ new thumb copyvios, as usual of subway cars, interiors, tunnels, stations, etc. Here's a list of the new socks in Category:Sockpuppets of Milanopablojavier24 I blocked and tagged today:

Now that's what I was able to find. There may be more that I missed. @Trijnstel: @Krd: @Jameslwoodward: @Magog the Ogre: @Tiptoety: @Martin H.: @Elcobbola: If someone has time, alot of these are new and checks might turn up a few I missed, or some possible rangeblocks. It's been a while since I checked the first 50+ socks of this guy, so I don't remember if any rangeblocks were possible at the time. I added a page to on this sockmaster too, but I may have put "trams" or "trains" rather than subway cars, etc, which is more accurate, unless trams are a Euro version of subway cars. My thanks to any CU who has time to spare on this. INeverCry 00:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I found these as well:
Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 05:13, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Question about File:Bas Jan Ader I'm too sad to tell you.jpg

I'm failing to see permissions on this file; what do you think? Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:11, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I think it's a copyvio. See Commons:Deletion requests/File:Bas Jan Ader I'm too sad to tell you.jpg. INeverCry 16:46, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. I was unsure. Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:44, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
No problem. Your questions are always welcome Ellin. I hope you're having a decent day. INeverCry 19:49, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

FYI: User reuploaded it to Wikipedia with a "fair use" argument. Ellin Beltz (talk) 06:32, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, he asked me about it earlier today. I gave what ammounts to a copy and paste FFD rationale for why the file fails NFCC#8 on my talk page there. I don't feel like taking the time, but if you want to, it should be a relatively easy FFD. INeverCry 07:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I've not done one of those on Wikipedia, so far. Ellin Beltz (talk) 01:16, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

You would use Twinkle and choose XFD, then type in your rationale and submit it. I've gone ahead and done this one. As an admin on, I deleted 1000s of FFDs. They're not much different than our DR system; you just have to get used to the rationales/NFCC. Now that I'm an admin again here, I won't have much time for I like working with images more anyways: it's much more straight-forward and relaxed for me. INeverCry 05:30, 19 August 2014 (UTC)


Yay thank you! Deryck Chan (talk) 21:54, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. INeverCry 22:14, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, --Pietro (talk) 22:46, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. INeverCry 22:47, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/File:PisidiumObtusaleDanmarksFauna.jpg

With all respect, did you not read my comment? En-Wiki accepts things that are out of copyright in America, but not their source country, byut CommonsDelinker deletes all usages on en-wiki if you delete before copying it over. Kindly fix it, and recover all usages you caused to be lost. I don't think there were that many, but CommonsDelinker does not make it at all easy to check now that it's run.

I don't mean to be rude, but I was the only vote in the deletion discussion, and said this would be a problem beforehand. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:25, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

I've moved it to en: w:File:PisidiumObtusaleDanmarksFauna.jpg. I only found one removal by en:User:Filedelinkerbot, which I reverted. I uploaded it under {{PD-US-1923-abroad}}, but since it was published in Denmark in 1949, and the author would've been 13 in 1923, how does this file qualify as PD under that rationale? INeverCry 19:18, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
Hmm. It would appear I was mistaken. I presumed the PD-US-1923 was accurate as far as it went. I apologize. Adam Cuerden (talk) 22:59, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
No need to apologize Adam. I think we can both hang our heads together in embarrassment on this one... Face-blush.svg I've speedied the file on en. INeverCry 23:20, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
It's so easy to presume people aren't complete idiots when it comes to licenses. Heh. Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:15, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Advice, please

This is sort of a tangled mess! :) Had been doing some uploads at en:WP connected with Cecil Hepworth. The photos are all PD-US-1923-abroad because they were first taken in the UK, where Hepworth operated. File:Alma Taylor Life 1.jpg This one is the problem. The Life link is dead--a wayback machine one describes the photo but there's no picture. Description says this was taken in the UK in 1915; given her age and that she worked for Hepworth there, it's credible.

Have tried to find the photo in Life magazine through Google Books, but nothing comes up. Life wasn't published until the 1930s and has regularly renewed their issue copyrights. The photo seems to have been taken originally by Hepworth. Went to tin eye and found Getty has it "for sale" via Life. I don't believe that Getty has any right to this as they appear not to have taken the photo; the problem is, without considering Getty, it's PD-US-1923-abroad, and not eligible for Commons. I can get another photo for en:WP with a clear "abroad" license, but not sure there's one available for Commons for it:WP, who also is using this photo. I think this has to go for DR. Thanks! We hope (talk) 18:40, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Here's a copy of the photo in a 1921 French magazine-credits Hepworth. We hope (talk) 18:44, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
If you can't find a source for 1923 or earlier publication in the US, you might want to ask an admin here who is also an admin on to restore the deleted version there and speedy delete the one here. Magog the Ogre does a lot of transfer work, if I remember right, so he might be able to help with it. As for Getty, and Corbis too for that matter, I've seen them claim copyright where they really had none quite often. I guess they figure if someone will pay, why not... INeverCry 19:02, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Have left a message at Magog's Commons talk page and will speedy the file as soon as he lets me know about moving/restoring it to en:WP. We hope (talk) 19:23, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


I noticed you deleted File:Ubuntu1404.png. Just out of random interest, could you explain why you did this? --Bradshaws1 (talk) 00:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Mistake due to vandalism from IP. Restored. INeverCry 00:43, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
In what way was it vandalised? --Bradshaws1 (talk) 00:52, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
It was tagged with a copyvio tag, but perhaps the IP thought it was a proper tagging. I should've looked more closely and declined it, but I mistakenly deleted it. Luckily the delinker didn't have the chance to remove it from any articles. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. INeverCry 00:58, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of test page in user space

Link Was it absolutely necessary to do that? It is an important and interesting idea, it is doing no harm, and it could do much good. Peter Damian (talk) 15:22, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

INeverCry, I think User:Peter Damian is due for an indefinite block. He is not here to build the media repository and if you look at this you'll see exactly what he finds so important and interesting. I would block him myself right now, but I have blocked him in the past. So I think it is time we tell Mr Damian that he can take his important and interesting ideas and leave, permanently. russavia (talk) 15:36, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I am sorry if I put the wrong thing in the wrong place. Perhaps you could let me have markup text and I can test it out on meta. I honestly didn't realise the rules on user space were quite so strict, really. Apologies. Peter Damian (talk) 16:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

@Peter Damian: I have placed the text you are needing here. russavia (talk) 17:56, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
I've blocked him indefinitely for making personal attacks, and basically editing Wikipedia by proxy rather than actually making real and constructive contributions to Commons. INeverCry 19:08, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for dealing with that INeverCry. Would never have seen it if it weren't for your talk page being one of only a few I keep watchlisted and his name popping up on the watchlist. russavia (talk) 10:12, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi, See Commons:Administrators' noticeboard#Peter_Damian_block. Regards --Steinsplitter (talk) 19:54, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Undeletion request

Please restore all the photos in my account which I took myself in the 70’s when I was a young photographer. These pictures are more than 40 years old and therefore do not possess any copyright protection. I don’t know why the Polish editors think I should be dead by now, I am not, for I am not Zdzislaw Ciesiolkiewicz who died in 2005.,_Warzszawa,_1971.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1,_Warszawa_1971.jpg&action=edit&redlink=1 Zdzislaw (talk) 16:52, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

I have no objection to these being undeleted. But let's ask the admin who nominated then, @Jameslwoodward:. If he's ok with it, he can restore them or I can do it. INeverCry 18:22, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Anthem of Bosnia and Herzegovina

Hello, can I ask you why you deleted file File:Anthem of Bosnia and Herzegovina.ogg? There was a proper license information; Copyright to the anthem is property of Bosnia and Herzegovina and it was recorded by copyright free Navy Band of the United States. Or not? --ThecentreCZ (talk) 23:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Per Commons:Deletion requests/File:Anthem of Bosnia and Herzegovina.ogg. The concerns of RP88 have to be addressed. I would suggest you post a request at COM:UDEL. INeverCry 23:22, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
ThecentreCZ, I saw your note and INeverCry's reply. I'll try to provide a more in-depth explanation of the issue.

First, most national anthems are in the public domain either due to (a) the expiration of the associated copyrights, or (b) an explicit release by the copyright owner, or (c) a specific provision in the county's national copyright law. Unfortunately, none of these apply to the anthem of Bosnia and Herzegovina. The copyright status of this anthem was actually disputed at one point, and the Office of the High Representative ruled that the anthem is indeed copyrighted and the copyright is now the property of Bosnia and Herzegovina (see Article 4 of Decision imposing the Law on the National Anthem of BiH). In Bosnia and Herzegovina a copyright expires 70 years after the death of the author. The author of the anthem's composition is Dušan Šestić, who is still alive, so it will be at least 70 years until the anthem's copyright expires. Because the anthem is copyrighted, in order to host the file Commons needs Bosnia and Herzegovina to issue a statement that releases the anthem into the public domain, or, alternatively, a Commons-compatible "free" license to the anthem.

Second, you inquired if the U.S. Navy Band performance of the anthem is PD. Music recordings are composed of multiple elements which each may be entitled to separate and distinguishable copyrights. For example, a recording might have one copyright originating from the musicians for their original contributions to a particular specific performance, a separate copyright originating from the composer of the music, and possibly even a further separate copyright originating from the author of the lyrics. In the case of the U.S. Navy Band recording of the anthem of Bosnia and Herzegovina we don't have to worry about copyrighted lyrics (as there are no lyrics), and we don't have to worry about a copyrighted performance (as all works of U.S. government employees are automatically in the public domain), but, unfortunately the composition itself is copyrighted (and the copyright is owned by Bosnia and Herzegovina). If you check the U.S. Navy band website you will notice that they don't claim the anthems they distribute are PD and they very carefully note that they are "intended for official use by Department of Defense and U.S. government offices only". You might ask how the U.S. Navy Band website can legally distribute copyrighted music. This is possible because U.S. copyright law permits copyrighted works to be distributed without permission under certain circumstances; the U.S. calls this fair use. In the U.S. it would certainly be "fair use" to distribute a recording of a copyrighted national anthem for the limited purpose of honoring visiting dignitaries at official government diplomatic events. Unfortunately, Commons does not accept "fair use" media files, because fair use laws vary from country to country. —RP88 (talk) 05:15, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

James Foley video

Hi INeverCry, thanks for deleting the James Foley video image. Two more from the same video and uploader. File:Steven-Joel-Sotloff-01.jpg and File:Steve Sotloff -ISIS.jpg -- Green Cardamom (talk) 00:29, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

✓  Done Deleted. INeverCry 00:49, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Green Cardamom (talk) 01:22, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. INeverCry 01:25, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Files uploaded by Pinyaev

Просьба восстановить файлы:

* File:Bas-Armagnac Chаteau d'Esperance 10 ans.jpg
*  File:Bas-Armagnac Chаteau d'Esperance Les Tresors de d'Artagnan 1968.jpg
*  File:Ба Арманьяк Лабердолив 1904.jpg
*  File:Ба-Арманьяк Домен Жоанда.jpg

разрешение на использование файла получено тикет #2014082210006395

  • File:Арманьяк-карта.png

просьба восстановить файл, я являюсь автором данного изображения и создавал его специально для статьи в Википедии. Спасибо.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinyaev (talk • contribs) 07:10, August 26, 2014‎ (UTC)
I'm not an OTRS member, so I can't restore these because I can't confirm the ticket. You have to wait for an OTRS member to request restoration or you can ask about the ticket at the OTRS notice board. INeverCry 17:33, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Files uploaded by me from the Facebook

Dear INeverCry, I don't know why the files of the painter Hades that were uploaded by me were deleted. The owner of these files gave permission to use freely her images with no-commercial purposes. I saw this permission in her Facebook, in her post entry from 1st August 2014. I didn't violate her copyright... Please reply me! This is the text of the artist permission Tianminglaura 18:15, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

She prohibits commercial use of the images in her statement. Commons only accepts free licenses that explicitly allow commercial use. See COM:L. INeverCry 17:28, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

INeverCry, I've noticed there at least four licences accepted by Commons, some type of licenses prohibits commercial use of the images... In this way Commons accepts not onlY free licenses. Am I right?Tianminglaura 08:15, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

You're partly right. You can use more than one license, but atleast one of them must allow commercial use. Read COM:L, especially Commons:Licensing#Acceptable_licenses and Commons:Licensing#Multi-licensing. INeverCry 04:41, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Duck Tolling Retriever image deletion

Why are you deleting all of the images? They have been on Commons for years and suddenly it's important to delete them without informing the projects that they're up for deletion? Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:14, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

What files are you referring to? You need to provide links. As for informing other projects, there's no policy here on Commons requiring such notifications. Thousands of images are nominated for deletion or speedy deletion and deleted every day; notifying other projects about all of these images, or even a significant portion of them, is a logistical impossibility. INeverCry 04:53, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Memocs image

Sorry, I saw you removed the image I uploaded.

I sent the required email (I paste it below). I also asked in Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard, but I had no answer and the file was removed all the same. Could you please help me? Having sent the required email and declared that I am the sole owner of the copyright, what else could I have done? And what can I do now? --TullioGabrio


I hereby affirm that I, Francesco dell'Isola am the sole owner of the exclusive copyright of the attached image.

I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International.

I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.

I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites.

I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me.

I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.

Francesco dell'Isola

Co-chair of the editorial board of MEMOCS



You would have to ask again at the OTRS notice board, or ask an OTRS member directly. They always have a backlog though, so it often takes a while to process the OTRS email and restore the image. INeverCry 16:05, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Can I expect that the image will be automatically restored or I will need to upload it again? --TullioGabrio

An OTRS member will either restore the image themselves if they're also an administrator, or they'll request an administrator to restore it. INeverCry 17:45, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Recent deletions of works at Wikisource

Hi INC. Recently you deleted (djvu/pdf) works where they had connections to pages at English Wikisource. djvu/pdf works have a complex connection into the WS world, and straight deleting them causes problems at the WSes, so the communities would appreciate it, if they are contacted prior to deletion processes here at Commons. This way we can remedy such components prior to deletion. For enWS a note to s:en:WS:AN should be sufficient.

As a more general note, enWS just utilises {{PD-1923}} as its measure for retention, rather than US and home country, so such books can be transferred to enWS prior to deletion. Any of the en c:/s: co-admins would be able to move the files over easily using the MediaWiki:ExCommons.js tool. Thanks.  — billinghurst sDrewth 03:15, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok. INeverCry 04:07, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Could you please explain...

You recently deleted Category:TTC Streetcar loops. Can I ask why? Isn't it generally recognized that the deletion of older categories, that once held useful content, is damaging to the projects integrity and utility? Isn't it generally recognized that among the factors that make this practice disruptive is that it unnecessarily leaves dangling red-links on all third party sites that included the old categories explicit URL?

IMO, if the contributor who moved the category to a new name didn't leave a category redirect, and instead called for speedy deletion, they made a mistake, and I suggest that you should have declined the speedy request. Geo Swan (talk) 21:03, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

You're right. I'll do my best to avoid repeating this mistake in future. Thanks for bring it to my attention. INeverCry 23:33, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

About Corey Taylor at Allstate Arena 2009

It was very disrespectful that you deleted that image regardless of my comment: "This is only a piece of smooth latex and without drawings. Where's the copyright?". Progenie (talk) 21:33, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

This was a decision based on policy, and nothing at all personal or disrespectful. I took your comment into consideration, but found Jim's deletion rationale convincing. I deleted the image because the mask is a creative work and was designed by someone specifically for Slipknot/Corey Taylor, making the image a copyvio derivative. INeverCry 23:22, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Request, could you please comment on Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Eduemoni?

Hello there, I've uploaded two SVG files which I edited based upon w:Dogecoin official logo, Dogecoin is a cryptcurrency open-source project released under MIT license[6], its cofounder ummjackson released the original files under Creative Commons Attribution license[7][8], however a user nominated them claiming copyright violation. Could you please comment on this deletion request? Eduemoni (talk) 02:07, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

I would only echo what Fry has already said; unless the original dog photo used in the meme can be shown to have been released under a free license, these derivatives will likely be deleted. INeverCry 02:35, 29 August 2014 (UTC)