User talk:Ithinkicahn

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I don't want them getting you banned, best you should directly consult an admin with the following points. Apart from the one sided edits that have been made I can point out some points. Accusations to my user of "Permabanned" and "pov pusher" are not arguments used in decent discussions but only irrelevant Ad hominem. Not to mention of canvassing.

  • First please see the initial version of the article, read the sources and accounts of Toynbee. The initial was about the mass executions on 24 June. The problematic edits later made were simply distorting the article into different events, increasing the time span (to nearly 2 years) and the area (to a very large region in northwest Anatolia) just to include "more Greek casualties" and then simply comparing this with a single event of Turkish casualties on the day of 24 in the town of Izmit. Later they removed everything related to 24 June or Toynbee and later removing the mention of the mass execution altogether. This should be pointed out to an admin, it is mass distortion. Yet another example why this user should not be allowed to edit Turkey related articles.
  • The original article was about the events accompanying the Greek retreat and the plundering, burning of the town and the mass execution of Turkish civilians which took place on 24 June 1921. These were all reliable source by academic authors and the previous version was reviewed by the Wikipedia community. So only the opinions of one user who has a himself an endless record of non neutrality should not be enough to distort this article.
  • The preceding mutual atrocities between Turks and Greeks occurred in a much larger area during a longer span of time. The report of Turks being "more considerable" was written on 1 June 1921. This was one month before the Greek retreat in which they burned and plundered towns and villages along their way. This means the conclusion of this report should be placed in its right context.
  • Toynbee is depicted by the author Shenk as neglecting the Greek side, this is the authors personal opinion. It is incorrect to assume this because Toynbee started as pro-Greek before coming to Turkey and after witnessing the Greek atrocities upon Turks he wrote about them. Furthermore he came to Izmit one month later then the 1 June report was written. He witnessed the events shortly after they occurred. When the 1 June report was written, the atrocities accompanying the Greek retreat had not yet occurred. Shenk is distorting different events into wrong conclusions.
  • About the 12.000 casualties, this was claimed by the Greeks who also submitted a list of 35 villages destroyed. However the commission is careful to note that the numbers were exaggerated but fundamentally true, this means atrocities took place but the numbers are exaggerated. The events depicted took place in an are 4-5 times larger area then the Izmit peninsula, it covers much of ancient Bithynia. The present title is not correct for the content. There was no Izmit massacre in which 12.000 people died, however there was a mass execution of Turkish civilians in the town on 24 June 1921. This was done by the Greeks and before they fled from the town.
  • Furthermore if the present article was intented to be about the mutual massacres then the title should be changed. Much more information regarding the Turkish side should be added. This is the job for neutral users. For example the Greek army killed and burned and plundered Muslim villages in the Asiatic side of Istanbul, the Izmit and Adapazari districts. In every area they occupied these atrocities occurred. Detailed documents about the atrocities are available in Ottoman archives and mentions of them are in these academic works: (Sorrowful Shores, Ryan Gingeras - 2009), (Ataturk, Andrew Mango "Bands of Greek irregulars known as Mavri Mira, 'Black Fate' murdered Turkish villagers, as they fought with Turkish irregulars.")- (Among the Ottomans: Diaries from Turkey in World War I, Ian Lyster, "British officer witnessed Greek atrocities during their departure and mentions the Greek boats overloaded with plunder"). Also the report of 1 June lists some of the atrocities by Greeks. BlondhairGirl (talk) 08:56, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi, if you read this, I would say go to an admin or dispute resolution for the points I made. Edits to the article were a mass distortion and will continue by using vilification of all who disagree as an excuse. BlondhairGirl (talk) 08:56, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

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