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You are the best. Artix Kreiger (talk) 00:34, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Suffragists and suffragettes[edit]

Re your deletion of the Suffragists category:

  • 23:21, 1 March 2018 Jcb (talk | contribs) deleted page Category:Suffragists ((incorrectly named) duplicate, content moved to Category:Suffragettes)

There is a huge difference between suffragists and suffragettes and the two terms are not synonymous. Suffragists were those who campaigned for the vote for women through constitutional means (lobbying politicians, marching, etc); suffragettes were the militant individuals and organisations who in today's eyes would be referred to as domestic terrorism. They campaigned by the use of arson, violence and breaking the law. As Commons now completely re-writes history to lump all campaigners for women's suffrage as being law breakers, could you reverse your deletion? - SchroCat (talk) 16:19, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

@Pmau: requested deletion, I just deleted an empty cat. Pmay, SchroCat, could you discuss this with eachother? Of course a category can be undeleted or recreated if that's the outcome. Jcb (talk) 17:37, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
It was only empty because Pmau had gone through and re-categorised the images that were there. Pmau, on what basis did you move the files and request deletion? As you can see from my comment above, these are two different classifications of people (although there is some overlap) and the suffragists pre-date the suffragettes by anything up to 150 years (depending on which thread of the movement you look at). - SchroCat (talk) 11:08, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Hello @SchroCat:, I went to the category as it was uncategorized. I thought it's content was identical to the Suffragettes so I merged the two. Of course, your arguments are perfectly ok to recreate the initial category. In that case, please add some parent categories to it. Pmau (talk) 11:12, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
I have restored the category, so that this can be fixed. Jcb (talk) 12:04, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Many thanks to you both. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 14:40, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Please restore[edit]

Category:BSicon/stations and stops, as it is not empty. -- Tuválkin 19:48, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done - Jcb (talk) 12:01, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

Can I add 1400, 1500, 1600, 1700, and 1800 to the mix? Evrik (talk) 17:49, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

@Evrik: ✓ Done - Jcb (talk) 22:02, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

What about 1492? Evrik (talk) 15:56, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

✓ Done - Jcb (talk) 16:09, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Library of Congress images[edit]

Hi, a few minutes ago you deleted a series of pre-1923 public domain images loaded from the Library of Congress. All had LCCNs in their filenames. Could you undelete these please? I received no notification about any problem with these files, I do not even have a list of them. Obviously the fact that someone tagged them as no license was never something I was going to be able to fix. Thanks -- (talk) 13:36, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

There is something weird with these uploads, the first edit seems to be oversighted?!? I will undelete the files within the next few minutes. About 30 files seem to be involved. Jcb (talk) 13:56, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
I am going to undelete some more files from different uploaders and I posted a message at Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard#Weird_bug_in_uploads. Jcb (talk) 14:06, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
I will reply there, now I can see a file. -- (talk) 14:09, 3 March 2018 (UTC)


What a strange idea to propose this photo for deletion. I made this photo years ago, and as all photos i make, i give them to wikipedia. We should be careful with proposals for deletion, and prevent from integrism and applying with excessive zeal the rules.— Flamenc (talk) 16:59, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Are you Lucyin Mahin or Franco Pernoli or neither of the two? Your statements are contradicting. Jcb (talk) 17:20, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Sorting out with the involved users[edit]

Did you try it—with respect to —with Tm (talk · contribs) before blocking him? You make some good job on this site, but just an advice from an old experienced person… don’t strive for prominence nowadays for every pretext possible, if you hold your position in esteem. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 18:03, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

I did try and you know. Jcb (talk) 18:04, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Don’t care much about your disputes in 2017. But remember well how you accused me of vandalism—an unambiguous personal attack given all the circumstances and context—and leaving an unspecified “mess” (some irritating red links in daily logs, perhaps?) without ever trying to discuss it. Whereas you react angrily to the verb “to bark”. You are one of the worst candidates to a position of etiquette professor here due to obvious, striking double standard. Proceed with deletion of copyvio further and leave etiquette for people minimally qualified in it. I expect you to ignore my advices and then be upset due to perceived indignities from hands and boots of the Commons community after some months, a year, or two… but these eventual problems are yours, not mine. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 07:41, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
The closure of your abusive topic at AN/U was an admin action, not some etiquette thing. Please be aware that such behaviour will no longer be tolerated. Jcb (talk) 16:46, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

OTRS permission[edit]

Hi! What happened with Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:OTRS received as of 4 March 2018? You deleted the files without checking the ticket (and the "received" OTRS tag can be added by no-OTRS users).

Can you please restore them all (I'll confirm the permission afterwards). Thanks --Ruthven (msg) 15:53, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

I will restore them, but no, {OTRS received} can not be used by an non OTRS agent. Only a {OTRS pending} tag can be used by anybody. Also most of the files where reuploads of recently deleted files, which is not allowed either. Jcb (talk) 16:49, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes, but if they were deleted, and obtained OTRS permission, the re-upload can be understood. I'll change the boilerplate for asking the users to add the {OTRS pending}, it's common practice in certain queues to ask the uploader to add them because it makes the work easier. In any case, thank you; I'm confirming the OTRS permission right away. --Ruthven (msg) 17:20, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Ok, as far as I can see all files have been restored. Jcb (talk) 17:25, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

restore image to Trevor McDougall[edit]

Hi, on the 30th January you removed the image Trevor-McDougall.jpg from the page for Trevor McDougall. I am the owner of this image and I filled in the copyright form which allows the use of the image.

This is a copy of the email I sent to OTRS

I hereby affirm that I, Paul Barker, am the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of the media work

I agree to publish the above-mentioned work under the Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal. I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work, even in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws.

I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites. I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project.

Paul Barker 2018-01-31

[generated using relgen] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul.m.barker (talk • contribs) 04:03, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Please patiently wait until an OTRS agent processes the ticket. Jcb (talk) 15:59, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Deleted photo[edit]

Dear Jcb,

Thank you for helping out on the page of the artists the Tinker Brothers. However, the photo you deleted (File:Tinker Brothers, March 2018.jpg) based on copyright violation is incorrect.

The photo comes from the artists website and Flickr page (the same page where the previous photo was published on) and they licensed it with Attribution 2.0 Generic (CC BY 2.0). The fact the image was used for interviews on their galleries websites such as Singulart and Addicted Art Gallery doesn't make it the galleries intellectual property.

Cheers, Michael — Preceding unsigned comment added by M.Smith73 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Please ask the photographer to contact OTRS. Jcb (talk) 22:04, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Mix upp[edit]

You deleted File:Antwerpen Centraal kunst 1996 2.jpg but this not an uploader request to delete. Someone put a speedy delete template on file:Antwerpen Centraal kunst 1996 1.jpg. I did not agree and replaced the template to a normal delete template for discussion. (only removing the fast delete template is not done) I also added the template to the similar File:Antwerpen Centraal kunst 1996 2.jpg. The delete discussion concluded with the status kept. Can you undelete the file? And please always if there are similar files.Smiley.toerist (talk) 21:12, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

I see. I have restored the file. Jcb (talk) 21:31, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

rafax pictures[edit]

Oh, I was just doing that by hand, (adding "own work" that was missing in my pics) to happily find out that you have just done it before myself. Thank you very much indeed. ̴̴̴̴ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rafax (talk • contribs) 17:36, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

You are welcome! Jcb (talk) 17:37, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Deleted Photo - Persimmon Blackbridge[edit]

Permission from copyright holder was send to OTRS on 3 March, 2018. No response yet. Possible to revert deletion until May 2018? OTRS backlog is 35 days. See this thread. Seazzy (talk) 21:19, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

No. The file will be undeleted by an OTRS agent if the permission is valid. Jcb (talk) 22:36, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Undelete categories[edit]

I notice you closed Commons:Deletion requests/File:Beatrice (Routenburn, Svithoid) under sail.jpg, after having commented that "it won't be safely out of copyright in the US until 1925+95+restofyear=1 January 2021." I trust you in that, but it means the image should be restored in three years. I now added the DR to Category:Undelete in 2021, but there is no guarantee anybody knowledgeable is around – except the administrator. Thus closing administrators should take care of adding the undelete category.

Have I misunderstood something? Are these categories not known by administrators?

--LPfi (talk) 10:33, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Another image of the safe ship was deleted as "no permission since": File:Bow Of Beatrice (Routenburn, Svithoid) Taken At Sea From Jib Boom End.tif. Should that file also be restored? --LPfi (talk) 10:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
The comment in the DR was from another user. And no, it's not the responsibily of closing admins to add undeletion categories. Jcb (talk) 16:22, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

File:Загорська Людмила Михайлівна.jpg[edit]

На фото Загорська Людмила Михайлівна.jpg зображена саме Загорська Людмила Михайлівна і саме для статті у Вікіпедії про Загорську Людмилу Михайлівну То, в чому проблема? Думаю, що першочерговий власник фото, це людина, яка на фото зображена. Чи не так? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omeland47 (talk • contribs) 14:05, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Normally the photographer is the copyright holder, not the depicted person. The photographer can contact OTRS to provide evidence of permission. Jcb (talk) 16:24, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Restore A banda da Loba photo, please![edit]

Hi Jcb! You've deleted "A_Banda_Da_Loba.JPEG.jpg" last saturday morning. It´s my fault. I'm so sorry because I uploaded that photo before her owner, Xiana Lastra Pernas, sent the authorisation by mail to She's done it saturday evening, so could you restore the photo, please? Thank you. --Moniquiña (talk) 16:59, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Please wait patiently until an OTRS agent handles the ticket. Jcb (talk) 17:03, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

The PD photos[edit]

Thanks for considering deletion with the files. I uploaded them myself and was ignorant about the issues with PD images on flickr. I sadly don't speak the same language as the uploader so I can't obtain permission. 18:03, 12 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100cellsman (talk • contribs) 18:03, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Ok. 'Public Domain Mark' at Flickr most of the time means that the Flickr uploader has no clue at all about copyright regulations, unfortunately. Jcb (talk) 22:43, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

18:14, 12 March 2018‎ Filedelinkerbot (talk | contribs)‎ . . (4,964 bytes) (-74)‎ . . (Bot: Removing Commons:File:Ossowski.jpg (en). It was deleted on Commons by Jcb (Copyright violation; see Commons:Commons:Licensing).)[edit]


Stanislaw Ossowski was my uncle and I'm pretty sure nobody in Poland could have something against, to put Stanislaw picture to his Wikipedia page. Could be possible you recover deleted picture?

thank you

netizentech — Preceding unsigned comment added by Netizentech (talk • contribs) 18:30, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Permission from the photographer will be needed. Jcb (talk) 22:45, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Custom license tag[edit]

I'm highly interested in reading the rule you're referring to. Thanks. --Code (talk) 19:05, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Explaned at your user talk page. Jcb (talk) 22:46, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Re: Copyvio taggings[edit]

I have a doubt. The author of the drawings has been dead for more than 70 years but his work has not been published until 1997. So, all the drawings contained in the book are in the public domain even when the book itself is protected by copyright? Thanks. Durero (talk) 20:29, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

The official position taken by the Wikimedia Foundation is that "faithful reproductions of two-dimensional public domain works of art are public domain". If you want to know more background information on this subject, this is an interesting page: Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag. Jcb (talk) 21:31, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Why has my stuff been deleted for no reason?[edit]

@Jcb: Pictures taken of the Madsen M50, LVF flag and CIRA mural where pictures i had personally taken myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ulsternorthman (talk • contribs) 23:14, 12 March 2018 (UTC) ~Ulsternorthman

You own the copyright of the photographs you took. You do not own the copyright of the original murals, so as derivative works, they cannot be hosted on Commons. Rodhullandemu (talk) 23:26, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, but that is wrong. There is freedom of panorama in the UK, so photos of murals from Northern Ireland don't need any additional permission. Apart from that, FOP issues always require a full deletion discussion and are not eligible for speedy deletion. That said, why was the image of the Madsen gun deleted? I can't find any identical photo online. De728631 (talk) 01:06, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
PS: Actually "graphic works" such as "any painting, drawing, ..." etc. are not covered by FOP in the UK but this should still have been subject of a deletion discussion. De728631 (talk) 01:16, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
FOP in the UK applies only to 3D works, so photos of non-free murals are automatically copyright violations speediable without discussion, and indeed on sight. Happens all the time with, e.g. tourist site information boards. Rodhullandemu (talk) 01:39, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Well, let me cite Jcb himself: "Also FOP issues are not a valid reason for speedy deletion." [1] "FOP issues always need a regular DR. I consider you informed of that from now." [2] De728631 (talk) 02:12, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
That's only when FOP is a moot issue. 2D copyrighted images don't benefit from FOP in the UK. Therefore, they are copyright violations and deletable on sight. End of. Rodhullandemu (talk) 02:25, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Then please update and extend Commons:Criteria for speedy deletion#File No. 3 where it says "This does not include freedom of panorama cases." De728631 (talk) 02:38, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

The user uploaded some copyvios and one file the was not necessarily a copyvio. In such cases we normally flush everything as a precaution. After that, uploader reuploaded 3 of the files, which leaded to a warning. Jcb (talk) 15:28, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


Dear Jcb, I would like to ask you a question. You proposed this photograph for deletion. After discussion, the file was kept. After that decision you added a short sentence to the metadata: unknown copyright situation, do not reuse! That is very unusual. I would like to ask you to remove this sentence. If you really think this photograph from about 1900 should be deleted, please file a new request for deletion. Vysotsky (talk) 15:59, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, the best option is that an admin deletes a file is the copyright situation is unclear. Unfortunately sometimes that cannot be reached. Then the second best is to at least take care of our reusers, by warning them about the unknown copyright situation. Jcb (talk) 16:12, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Virtuality Gaming Edit-Please restore[edit]

Hello, In February you deleted images from for Copyright Violations. I represent Johnathan Walden the owner of Virtuality and owner of the images and we would like our images restored.

Can you please let me know what we need to do or what info you require to undo these edits and restore our images. Would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

HMansfield — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmansfield (talk • contribs) 18:31, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

The best thing to do is to contact OTRS. If an OTRS agent concludes that there is a valid permission, the agent will take care of undeletion. Please be aware that OTRS has a backlog. Jcb (talk) 21:13, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

File:Shoulder joint-ar/es.svg[edit]

Accidentally on add {{inkscape}} I deleted the license. Solved. Thanks. --Jmarchn (talk) 19:11, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for fixing. Jcb (talk) 21:13, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Soraya Peerbave[edit]

Hello. Please restore File:Soraya Peerbave - 2016 (DanH-7681) (cropped).jpg because it is a cropped version of File:Soraya_Peerbave_-_2016_(DanH-7681).jpg which has the proper OTRS permission.

Thanks! // sikander { talk } 15:32, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Done. In the future please don't tag such crops with {OTRS pending}, because this tag will lead to deletion if nothing happens. Jcb (talk) 15:38, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

File:Logo Bayerischer Wald-Verein.JPG[edit]

Hi Jcb, not sure why this was a copyvio. It was a photograph of the logo used by the subject of the article - the Bavarian Forest Club. I thought that was always permitted because it is directly relevant to the article. See Coca Cola for example. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:50, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

"always permitted because it is directly relevant to the article" - this sounds like a Fair Use rationale. At Wikimedia Commons we don't allow Fair Use, but some versions of Wikipedia, including English Wikipedia, allow local uploads of Fair Use. Regarding the Coca Cola logo, this is considered to be below the threshold of originality, so that it can be accepted with {{PD-textlogo}}. Jcb (talk) 21:45, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Restore Picture to Wikimedia Commons[edit]


The photographer who owns this photo added it to wikipedia commons. why was it deleted? and what does he need to do to restore it?

what does he need to do to keep it in commons. he is the owner of the photograph.

Eurodanceguy (talk) 20:10, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Please ask them to contact OTRS. Jcb (talk) 10:37, 17 March 2018 (UTC)


You deleted the subject page without stating a reason. Please restore it, replace it with User:Bruxellensis~commonswiki, or make {{Léon van Dievoet}} for the user.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 13:08, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

No. They applied an OTRS tag without being an OTRS agent. Another OTRS agent removed this tag, but the user placed it again. Jcb (talk) 23:04, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Read-Only Memory[edit]

Would you please restore the following image sets deleted on 1 March 2018, 22:17 that begin with the following:

  • File:The Bitmap Brothers Universe ...
  • File:Sensible Software ...
  • File:Sega Mega Drive Genesis ...
  • File:Britsoft ...

In each case, the OTRS permissions were already secured in the ticket and linked from each file. I was between uploading the last of the batch and notifying the agent to close. czar 21:44, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Please contact processing OTRS agent for this. In principle processing OTRS agent takes care of undeletion. Jcb (talk) 23:09, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
And if they don't have admin privileges, make them go through the process of asking someone else anyway? Seems silly to put more onus on an already understaffed volunteer base czar 17:54, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
I would have to do a lot of digging, you even did not provide full file names. An OTRS agent who handles the ticket but does not have admin rights, will simply post a request at COM:UDR. The fact that you ask my attention for the second time now for this case is in fact the kind of things that puts an unnecessary workload on the indeed understaffed admin team. Jcb (talk) 21:57, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
There are dozens of files, hence why I provided the intro and the time when they were deleted. It's a complicated ticket and the files were appropriately tagged with the open ticket number. Would have been nice had they not been nuked so soon (wasn't even 30 days...) czar 02:40, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
You uploaded the files on 3 February with a 29 January timestamp in the OTRS tag, so the "wasn't even 30 days" is your own fault. Processing OTRS agent asked you to write back after upload of the files, which you never did. On top of this user talk page you can read in bold: "For any questions about OTRS permissions, please visit the OTRS/Noticeboard". After your first message I asked you to contact processing OTRS agent. Instead of doing so, you decided to bother me again, with some hypothetical argument about OTRS agents without admin privileges, although in this case processing OTRS agent does have admin privileges. I told you that it's unhelpful to contact me a second time about this case and yet you decided to bother me a third time. Don't be surprised then if people are losing their patience. Jcb (talk) 15:37, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Processing OTRS agent asked you to write back after upload of the files, which you never did. I said, I didn't finish uploading—it's quite obviously a large ticket and I especially didn't expect the files to be deleted so soon, undoing hours of work. And didn't realize I was bothering you by asking for help, so sorry. (not watching, {{ping}} if needed) czar 01:05, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Alleged copyright infringement regarding some logos of Italian political parties[edit]

Hi, I saw that you proceeded to delete my two following files for alleged copyright infringement: File:Forza Italia simbolo politiche 2018.svg and File:Lega simbolo politiche 2018.svg. Well, since in the following category (Category:Logos of political parties in Italy) there are many other similar examples, I ask that these files be deleted as well. Otherwise I would like to know the differences between my case and other similar cases. Thank you Vajotwo (post) 19:22, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

If you think a file should be deleted, nominate it for deletion using the 'nominate for deletion' link from the left menu. I am not going through 45 million files to look for comparable cases every time I delete a file. Jcb (talk) 22:00, 18 March 2018 (UTC)