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Tip: Categorizing images[edit]

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Hello, Keith D!

Tip: Add categories to your images

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

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1) If you're using the UploadWizard, you can add categories to each file when you describe it. Just click "more options" for the file and add the categories which make sense:


2) You can also pick the file from your list of uploads, edit the file description page, and manually add the category code at the end of the page.

[[Category:Category name]]

For example, if you are uploading a diagram showing the orbits of comets, you add the following code:

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When picking categories, try to choose a specific category ("Astronomical diagrams") over a generic one ("Illustrations"). Pro-tip: The CommonSense tool can help you find the best category for your image.

Thanks again for your uploads! More information about categorization can be found in Commons:Categories, and don't hesitate to leave a note on the help desk.

BotMultichillT 08:58, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Categories and Geograph[edit]

Hiya, noticed you making editing some of the Devon-related categories and followed it up to see you are working on E Yorkshire. Glad to see another county has someone trying to clear up after the Geograph bombshell :)

In case you weren't already aware you can use Catscan to ID the geograph images needing checking - link for (some of) the ones in the East Riding.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:48, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi, yes I was trying to sort out the mess that the bots appear to have left us with, I am struggling to find out where some of the categories should go as there appears to be no standard structure and spending too long on hopping around trying to work out what the structure should be. Though I am tending to leave the category check in place at the moment as not quite got the hang of farms and fields which appear to be the same thing in most cases and cover most of the images in the East Riding.
I started going through all of the village categories locating images before the bots hit and am working through alphabetically picking up the images for each one and moving those out of the village that the bot got wrong - at least 90% are wrong! Some of the East Riding images have been put in France and some in Australia so looks like it is going to be a long job. As I got to H before disaster struck I will have to return to do A-H again. Keith D (talk) 01:07, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah the bot is pretty awful at locations (I found Devon images in the Luton and Bradford for example). And I don't have a clue either as to when to use Countryside, Fields or Farms - tho I'm removing the check tag just so I can ID which I haven't looked at yet. My inclination on those is "fields" for shots strictly of fields, "farms" for farmland images that include more than just the fields (such as a building) and "countryside" when there is other stuff like woodland in the image. The moaning at Commons:Batch uploading/Geograph should "amuse" you!
One thing I've been doing in Devon is making use of the civil parishes. That allows me to nest the location cats into a logical hierarchy like in Category:Teignbridge and I've been putting rural files into the CP cat rather than the nearest village category (as that's slightly easier to ID). Obviously the East Riding doesn't have districts in the same way but you could use Category:Civil Parishes in the East Riding of Yorkshire. In any case, good luck with clearing up the mess up there (hopefully they won't do the other batch uploads anytime soon) :)--Nilfanion (talk) 01:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the thoughts. The bot created the civil parishes in the same category as the villages so I have left them and adding the places to the entries that are just civil parishes. I will probably nest other locations under entries which are villages and civil parishes at some point. I am trying to allocate all images to a place and avoid any in the civil parish only entry if I can. The only district type area is Kingston upon Hull which I am leaving until last as there are far too many images to sort out there, though several will be extracted and placed into the East Riding locations surrounding it.
I am glad they have stalled on uploading at the moment so I can get some sanity from what is there. I am uploading some images for places with few images to pre-empt the bot loading them somewhere I cannot find them. The descriptions on some of the images is not very helpful so I am adding the location & county at the same time so should be able to do a search in all the East Riding images. Keith D (talk) 02:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


Hi Keith thanks for helping out with the Dormanstown page, could you tell me how to attribute peoples images. I seen that you did it with one of the images I uploaded.

The one I changed was from the Geograph project and there is a template {{Geograph}} for that, which gives the licence and the attribution. If you are uploading Geograph images you can get the information by clicking on the "Find out how to reuse this Image" link under the image on the Geograph site. Scroll down to the section headed "Wikipedia Template for image page.", copy the info from the box below it and then paste it into the image upload form. Job done saves lots of typing. Keith D (talk) 00:38, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Renaming files[edit]

Good morning,

Renaming file on local projects BEFORE the effective rename isn't a best practice, especially as there is a bot, CommonsDelinker, which handle this kind of operations.

There is also a need renaming a file to fix factual errors, to keep all file information in the name, so I renamed to Close to Assembly - - 202932.jpg. --Dereckson (talk) 08:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Locating images[edit]


I'm curious as to how you go about determining the correct location when handling imagery? Obviously this is primarily with Geograph uploads in mind, but also matters to other stuff too. Personally I like to get everything to the correct civil parish (or better), which is extremely tedious at times. Reason for this is if I don't recognise the subject I end up having to check against the 1:25,000 scale OS maps.

I've had a couple thoughts that might be extremely helpful, but I'd like to see how someone else is doing the job first.--Nilfanion (talk) 22:00, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I am going for the place rather than the Civil Parish, I intend to put the places in to the civil parishes at some point, I have done this for Civil Parishes that are not villages so far. I do the location by looking at the streetmap site for the location as that site has the maps that show the Civil Parish boundaries and compare the map shown on Geograph to see where it should go. Though I have found that many of the Geograph images do not have specific co-ords and you get a general co-ordinate of the grid square so you have to judge it by what is shown and the description given. It is useful that one individual has given the exact OS reference in the description for some of those images that are square orientated. If I cannot get any closer I usually add all possible location categories. Keith D (talk) 00:30, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
It is useful to get the Geograph image corrected when you find a problem and I have input several changes there and reflected the change back here on Commons. Keith D (talk) 00:33, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, a basically similar process to me. The checking against Streetmap and Geograph.
I personally prefer to go for parish first as that saves me making judgement calls about if its of the hamlet or merely of surrounding countryside. My long term aim is to ensure the hamlet categories contain images of the hamlet only, and to make CP a distinct category from its namesake village (so you can get to the pics of the village without needing to hunt through the countryside). That said the top-down/bottom-up approaches of our two work models both get to the same place in the end and both work.
Real reason for the message is I've had an idea that makes the CP check a lot simpler. The MaPit service listed on the geohack page makes use of the OS boundary data. For example, see this output for File:Small Rail Crossing - - 113074.jpg. Its not perfect, as the Commons template uses camera location and subject location is what matters for categories, but the quick check on Geograph verifies without the need to mess around on Streetmap most of the time. (It also provides potential for a bot that actually works effectively - but one thing at a time!)
If {{Check categories-Geograph}} is modified to directly link to that, we could do the CP checking in one link. As it also includes the electoral wards, it could also be used as a natural way to sub-divide the cities. Does that sound like it would be helpful?--Nilfanion (talk) 01:00, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
It may be useful to get a civil parish name as it is a pain moving the streetmap image around to get the name which is not always easy. Though the decimal figures for co-ordianates on the template may not be the location for the image but just a conversion of the OS grid square which is not accurate enough when near the boundaries of parishes. Keith D (talk) 01:23, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree there: There's too many things that could go wrong for anything to be entirely trusted. I think it can save time in majority of cases - if the location looks right on Geograph for one. (The coordinates in the template essentially match the location on Geograph). I'll have a play around tomorrow and see how much time and effort it saves per image.--Nilfanion (talk) 02:20, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Only just seen this discussion, but Ordnance Survey Election Maps is really easy for determining the civil parish (you need to turn on the civil parish layer!), and saves rooting out the 1:25,000 paper maps! Skinsmoke (talk) 20:15, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Where is civil parish as an option? Keith D (talk) 20:18, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Click the "Show layers" tag above the "Overview map". Parish is the third one down (blue dots). It isn't 100 per cent accurate for new parishes or parish boundary changes, as these sometimes take a few weeks (months in the case of Darwen!) to filter through. However, it is the best and most up to date available (I picked up the creation of Beckermet in Cumbria from it today, and the parish only came into existence in April 2011!). Skinsmoke (talk) 20:29, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
That does look potentially useful. Another approach I'm drawn to is that provided by - as that allows lookup of lat/long coordinates to identify the containing area - for example [1]. That tool is included in the Geohack list, and could be added to {{Check categories-Geograph}}. That would make checking location a matter of one click per image. Much more importantly to me, it would enable coding of a bot that actually gets it right most of the time! (That is if we can find a competent, helpful bot-op)--Nilfanion (talk) 09:26, 9 July 2011 (UTC)


I've uploaded File:Anlaby with Anlaby Common UK parish locator map.svg, there's instructions at here, making locator maps for the other parishes should be straightforward.

In terms of using the blank map in the list, that's doable. It would need location map coding if you wanted to use it to replace the background of the existing map and keeping the labels, might want to ask on en for advice. As for adding numbers, again that's doable. The problem is the sheer number of parishes (171!) and the small sizes of some, will make label placement extremely complex especially if its going to be legible at lower resolutions.

I could also prep a blank map of Hull, showing the current wards, which won't be hard at all. Incidentally, that is likely to be much more practical to convert to a labelled version.--Nilfanion (talk) 02:07, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Problem there is straightforward enough, you downloaded the thumbnail :) If you right click on the image on the file page then click "save image as" in FF, you are downloading the PNG thumbnail. You need to use "save link as" instead, you will then download the Original SVG. Firefox should be able render SVGs directly (my version can), so left-clicking on the second link should take you to the image?--Nilfanion (talk) 22:03, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Moved the file to correct the minor error there. All looks fine, except the sourcing - it doesn't mention me! :) Its probably worth just using the source/author layout of File:Location map of Drake (ward) within Plymouth.svg - the source of the map you made is the blank, not the OS data itself. I went directly back to source as its silly to source it a derivative I've made of my own work to myself, better to go back to my source...--Nilfanion (talk) 11:44, 9 February 2011 (UTC) Thanks for heads up on the Asselby error (the cause is a typo on my part, given I manually typed 20,000 or so place names I expect there to be a few mistakes). I'll fix it in the blank map shortly. The id tags make no difference to rendering the file, their only purpose is to assist humans - if the paths were labelled 1, 2, 3, 4 etc you'd never find the right one to make derivative maps. Glad to see you making use of the file too :)--Nilfanion (talk) 20:43, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Again, thanks for notice, I'll wait until you finish before updating the blank again (to save fix all of them in on go). Don't envy you the chore either, there's the reason I haven't done the bulk upload myself. One thing I did notice with the ones you have uploaded is File:Edenham Grimsthorpe Elsthorpe & Scottlethorpe UK parish locator map.svg, specifically the hideous name of the parish. Shouldn't it at least have some commas? :) For what its worth, OS and ONS both have it as plain Edenham anyway.--Nilfanion (talk) 01:00, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. I guess my point about the name is a concern for WP, I think it should be at "w:Edenham, Grimsthorpe, Elsthorpe and Scottlethorpe" unless there is a clear preference for the no-comma form (which is not valid grammatically) - the long/short version isn't as important.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:24, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Notice you've reuploaded those locators - I assume you've checked all the names and is just the three (Asselby, Foston and Ottringham) that need corrections? Btw, in case you haven't noticed my bot is putting basic location cats on the recent Geograph uploads. It won't be perfect (eg when the Geograph user made a mistake), but if it does move a file to a location category that category will be correct, unlike the earlier bot categories.--Nilfanion (talk) 18:47, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok, will reupload the base map shortly too with those fixes. As for Geograph, yeah its a "start". There is just too way much stuff for manual sorting to ever really be functional: 161 files of Cambridge for instance, yuck! That said, getting a good location to begin with helps, as in my experience verifying the location is the time consuming bit - once that is done tools such as Cat-a-Lot can be utilised to save a bunch of time.
And IMO, Category:Towns, villages and civil parishes in Selby district isn't ideal as it combines the concepts of "settlements" and "administrative areas", when they should be split; ultimately I'd like to separate the CP from its namesake village and have two different categories for the village and the CP.--Nilfanion (talk) 19:10, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

It downloads/uploads fine for me (see File:Strensall with Towthorpe UK parish locator map.svg). Not sure why you have problems, either the file got corrupted on download somehow or you downloaded the wrong thing (the original is 4.30MB). Best to try again and see?--Nilfanion (talk) 23:25, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Not sure what the issue is then, as I can re-upload I assume the copy on Commons is OK. The N Yorks map is a much larger file than the E Yorks one, so it is more likely to cause issues, but I don't have a clue what that is. Does the svg "look" ok when you are editing it? Might be worth asking the help desk or similar.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:05, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Civil parishes[edit]

I see your point about the interwiki links which I hadn't thought of, and will fix that later on.

As to the case where a civil parish only contains one village - I found it increasingly confusing to be looking for village images amongst (large) numbers of pictures of fields and trees and drains - which is why I started splitting. An alternative would be to have a sub category "XXX (village)" within XXX

Looks like you've gone and reverted every single fucking edit I made, thanks for undoing all that work - I don;t know why I fucking bother - can we meet in person because you seriously need a fucking kicking you fucking arsehole.

Go and fuck yourself.Imgaril (talk) 00:29, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Please be civil - and I was not the only person who has been reverting out the changes that you have made. Keith D (talk) 10:45, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Hull City AFC[edit]

I did it..... [2] Bruno-ban (talk) 11:29, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

East riding[edit]

diff KuH isn't technically in the East Riding of Yorkshire...Imgaril (talk) 12:26, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Technically it is not but it is the way that all the categories are built up we use the Ceremonial Counties and Hull is in the ceremonial county of the East Riding of Yorkshire. Keith D (talk) 12:29, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


Hi, noticed the frustrated complaint at the batch upload page. I don't any real bot-writing skills, but certainly can point to databases. The link that's been added to {{Check categories-Geograph}} ("You can also have a look at this tool from mysociety) provides a direct link to a lookup of the OS datasets, which makes the civil parish check a one click job.

You might want to check out what I've done with my bot's javascript: Its basically a hacked Cat-a-Lot, which takes the grid ref, applies a location cat and drop the grid ref call in the template (as unecessary). Its a primitive localisation solution, but means I can get through several hundred images in an hour and apply a correct location. More detailed categorisation takes a bit longer, but my experience is the localisation is the hard bit.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:17, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks but I am working slowly through locations doing everything at once rather than just adding a single cat at a time. I am fixing up red-links, adding location detail to the description and adding the cats (though this may need moving to a sub-cat at some point). I am even fixing the errors on the original Geograph image information which would otherwise not be picked up. Keith D (talk) 21:28, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
Fair enough, two different approaches :)
I haven't even bothered with sorting out the descriptions at this time, just getting the cats sorted takes forever and a day. I'm adding more to my list of cats to add each time too - my list for Plymouth files is getting quite long now example, and I haven't begun to sub-categorise the buildings category yet(!) The one thing I do do is get the pages off the bot radar ASAP--Nilfanion (talk) 21:35, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

"Reset Geograph info" edits[edit]

Hi Keith,

today I noticed two edits you made: this and that. Could please you explain, why you added the English word "From" to the otherwise language neutral (bare URL) source links, and why you put <br /> line breaks back into the (rather short) descriptions? Both are redundant and/or counterproductive from my point of view. It would be helpful to understand your rationale, I guess.

Please note that I'm not asking about the "Permission (Reusing this file)" line. The ideal placement of licensing tags has already been discussed at great length, and there's no clear majority opinion yet. It's also irritating that some upload bots place these tags directly within the information template, and others place them apart/below. Generally I prefer the first variant, though, but I tend to respect individual photographers' preferences (at least as far as I'm aware of), and I only change the tag placement on occasion when I change other parts of file descriptions (I won't make extra edits just to rearrange license tags). So there's no hassle about this part of your edits here :-)

Regards --:bdk: 18:02, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

This is the way they come across from the Geograph project with and I am trying to keep them all in the same format. It makes checking for updates easier if you can compare the basic info in image and the Geograph base info. Keith D (talk) 22:46, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
I Forgot - having headings allows you to edit the page directly from the various other wiki's that use the image as an [Edit] link is supplied. Saves opening up the image in Commons first to edit the details. Keith D (talk) 14:10, 9 August 2011 (UTC)


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Hull City[edit]

Hi mate, you asked Gustavo to make the Hull City kits, but I made them instead. If there's anything else you need, you can ask me. Spiraal (talk) 00:26, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I ask Gustavo as he did last years. Keith D (talk) 00:29, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

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Copyright tag removal[edit]

I assume this edit was a mistake, with which you removed the Geograph copyright template and copyright tag from the image I found in Category:Media without a license: needs history check today. The tag you removed provided the correct Creative Commons licence instead of your text, which is not adequate. Please be more careful when editing such image details because it could well have been deleted for lack of a licence except that I reviewed the history and found the problem. Thanks Ww2censor (talk) 11:34, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Here is another one. Please preview the edit for errors such as this and be more careful in future. I fixed it. Ww2censor (talk) 20:21, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Last Tango in Halifax ratings[edit]

As the creator of this graph I wonder if you still have the image saved on your computer? It needs a correction. Due to my own woeful inability to pick up the error, for more than a year the article stated 7.034 million to be the viewing figure for series one episode one when it actual fact the correct figure was 7.304 million. As such the graph isn't accurate. Eshlare (talk) 16:01, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi, yes I have still got the file. I have updated it and tried to upload it a few times. Sometimes it shows the original file and sometimes the corrected version - not sure what is going on may be some caching issue. Clicking on the image in the article page gives the correct image but even with a null edit I cannot get the article image to change. Keith D (talk) 18:08, 8 December 2014 (UTC)