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Only an evil person would eat baby soup.

(One of my favorite comments seen on Wikimedia.)

You can contact me on my English Wikipedia talk page.

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Rongorongo images[edit]

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TUSC token 1751ee86cc758fb8e992c875c5a05c59[edit]

TUSC

Tai-Kadai Map[edit]

You're certainly welcome to improve the map; after all, that's what SVG diagrams are particularly good for! I also prefer labels in place to a numbered key; that's a definite improvement. However, the "Northern Tai" label is smaller than the others, and isn't legible at the scale used in en:Tai-Kadai languages. Also, I'm confused about some of the changes in identification: the branch of Kadai languages in northern Vietnam have now become Northern Tai, while the former Northern Tai and Central Tai have merged to become only Central Tai. This leaves Northern Tai in between Central Tai and South-western Tai, which is suspicious. It also seems unlikely for Kadai languages to have been re-classified as part of Tai. Is it possible that some of the colors and labels are switched?

There's also something funny about the fonts. When I view the SVG, I see a serif font; but the bitmapped versions generated by Wikimedia come out with sans serif. This doesn't hurt anything, but it may mean the font you're using is not supported by Wikimedia. (?) --Amble (talk) 22:56, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Arabic alphabetc[edit]

Hi Kwamikagami,

There is to kind of green dark green for solo official script and lighter green for the co-official script.

Hausa is not used in somalia but in some of central and west-african countries and Sudan.

Hausa is offical in Nigeria and it's written in:

  1. Boko (Latin)
  2. Ajami (Arabic).Ahmad2099 (talk) 09:31, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

File:World Monarchies.png[edit]

Calling my revert vandalism if false. Your edit summary which was given when you previously reverted a user doing the same thing is wrong. The United Kingdom is a Commonwealth realm! Saying that the United Kingdom would be a monarchy regardless of the Commonwealth is not a relevant edit summary. Even though is would be a monarchy without the Commonwealth, so would Canada, Australia, etc. Besides, Commonwealth realm and Commonwealth are two different terms. Please, if you don't believe me look for proof on Wikipedia. The articles "Monarchy", "Commonwealth realm" and "Monarchy of the United Kingdom" on Wikipedia all say the same thing and this was agreed to by hundreds of editors. To this day it has not been changed and has been the same for as long as that fact was edited into those articles. It is fact that the United Kingdom IS a Commonwealth realm and is just like Australia, Canada, New Zealand, etc. --Kushan I.A.K.J (talk) 19:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't care about that. I object to all the other monarchies you deleted. (However, even the Commonwealth thing is not as clear cut as you seem to believe. The Queen as the direct queen of the UK is a different thing than in Canada, where she is only queen indirectly through the Commonwealth. If Canada were to withdraw from the Commonwealth, it would no longer be a monarchy. However, if the UK were to withdraw from the Commonwealth, it would still be a monarchy. So yeah, I guess I do care about this: the wording could be changed, but the color scheme is best this way.) Kwamikagami (talk) 09:42, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
If Canada were to withdraw from the Commonwealth it WOULD still be a monarchy, Canada and the UK have no difference in status. --Knowzilla (talk) 07:07, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I am really sorry for not responsing since you send your comment.

It's becouse I have not on the all projects of Wiki for a while, and I enter it accidentally today. and I am not even planing to come back in all wikipedias. because I lost the reliance on this uselles project.

Thanks. † Merry Christmas † Rose 02.jpg Ahmad2099 (talk) 22:09, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Why useless? It's still better than most of the stuff out there. (And Merry Christmas.) Kwamikagami (talk) 09:00, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Tip: Categorizing images[edit]

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Hello, Kwamikagami!

Tip: Add categories to your images

Thanks a lot for contributing to the Wikimedia Commons! Here's a tip to make your uploads more useful: Why not add some categories to describe them? This will help more people to find and use them.

Here's how:

1) If you're using the UploadWizard, you can add categories to each file when you describe it. Just click "more options" for the file and add the categories which make sense:

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2) You can also pick the file from your list of uploads, edit the file description page, and manually add the category code at the end of the page.

[[Category:Category name]]

For example, if you are uploading a diagram showing the orbits of comets, you add the following code:

[[Category:Astronomical diagrams]]
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This will make the diagram show up in the categories "Astronomical diagrams" and "Comets".

When picking categories, try to choose a specific category ("Astronomical diagrams") over a generic one ("Illustrations"). Pro-tip: The CommonSense tool can help you find the best category for your image.

Thanks again for your uploads! More information about categorization can be found in Commons:Categories, and don't hesitate to leave a note on the help desk.

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Well, if you made it straightforward to categorize things, as Wikipedia does, I would do it. But I'm not going to spend ten minutes per image searching for appropriate categories. Someone else can do it. If that's not acceptable, I'll just upload them to WP-en and let someone else transfer them here. You just end up deleting half my images anyway, and then I need to hunt them down and re-upload them to WP-en. Kwamikagami (talk) 17:38, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

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Teofilo (talk) 11:57, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

This is Therequiembellishere[edit]

Hey, this is User:Therequiembellishere. Er, I'm still blocked. 71.99.96.174 21:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


File:Megalithic_architecture.png[edit]

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Teofilo (talk) 05:21, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello Kwamikagami[edit]

Your behavior on en.wikipedia and now changing of language maps as you have done here, have lead me to write my opinion in this sight. At first, it will be nice if you wuoldn´t change well sourced maps which are used on much projects without discussing this on the talk page. In case of such edits, there are more wikies affected than just en.wiki, even those where this languages are spoken (bs, hr or sr wiki) or have been spoken. If you don´t agree with the map, you are free to make your own for use on en.wiki and others who accept your pro serbo-croatian view. I would just like to remember you that wikipedia is a multilanguage project and such edits on commons can be seen as POV edits (as they are) without consensus at global level. Please stop this behavior in his first steps and before this result in edit wars. Thank you for your understanding. --WizardOfOz (talk) 18:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I totally agree with this. You should be more careful. mickit 20:34, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I've already accepted that, and uploaded the corrected map on WP-en.

Wizard, you changed other corrections of mine here. The description no longer describes the image. Kwamikagami (talk) 06:29, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes indeed. As i wrote in the summary, it is a file about croatian and his dialects (iso 639-hr) and not about serbo-croatian (iso 639-sh) as you have describe. Even if those languages should be similar, it is a confusing description if the file name is talking about hr. Other user from hr.wiki has also commented on the talk page. The map, as shown, is incorrect. --WizardOfOz (talk) 15:28, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

File:Libyan Uprising.svg[edit]

hey, thanks for editing the map. Please note that the name most commonly used of the town is "Sirte" not not "Sirt", can you please change that on the map? Thank you. Gryffindor (talk) 18:24, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't actually edited the map, only reverted an unsourced change. You might want to ask on the talk page of the map. (Should be Misrata as well.) Kwamikagami (talk) 21:08, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Chibchan got lost ...[edit]

... but I have fixed it adding four more families to the map! Davius (talk) 22:39, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

For well-established families, you can use this (excluding puelche-het and matako-waikurú), and this other (including most of isolates, small families and unclassified languages. All the maps intend to represent linguistic distribution at the time of contact (16th century). By this reason Quechan and Mapuchean that underwent major expansiong during 16th and 18th are excluded due to the indetermination of original territory, Davius (talk) 16:35, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

File:Libyan_Uprising.svg[edit]

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File:571423main_pia14316-full_full_Vesta.jpg[edit]

This file has been deleted - did you happen to make a copy to transfer to En-Wiki as fair use? Rmhermen (talk) 06:33, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

No, sorry. It's not one we were using on WP-en. Kwamikagami (talk) 04:36, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

File:Barthel I reordered.png[edit]

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Anglospeak(800px).png[edit]

Hello Kwamikagami,

Thanks for your good reversions of the .svg version of that map (Guyana etc); could you do this as well for the above mentioned .png map? Would be very kind of you. (I'm not able to do such things)

Furthermore, if it doesn't engross your time too much, it would be nice if you reverted Quebec to the correct light blue as well (not grey!). Thank you for your time 87.182.235.28 10:07, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Could you provide links, please? Kwamikagami (talk) 14:34, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Sure, there you go: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Anglospeak%28800px%29.png Thanks again 141.13.170.175 17:16, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

You changed Trinidad, Guyana, Jamaica, etc. from Blue to light blue? I am pretty sure English is the Majority language spoken in Trinidad. If an accent disqualifies the language as being "true English", should then only England be Blue and Australia, the US, and Canada also be light blue along with the rest of the English speaking Caribbeans?

According to Ethnologue, only 0.2% of Trinidadians speak English as their mother tongue. They say that the principal language is Trinidadian Creole, which is an English-based creole but not actually English. It's not an "accent", but a separate language, with separate roots. However, their figures don't add up, so something is wrong. I'll write and ask. (Our WP article also states that the principal language is creole.) Kwamikagami (talk) 09:23, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

File:Arab Spring map reframed updated.svg[edit]

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There seems to be a problem regarding the description and/or licensing of this particular file. It has been found that you've added in the image's description only a Template that's not a license and although it provides useful information about the image, it's not a valid license. Could you please resolve this problem, adding the license in the image linked above? You can edit the description page and change the text. Uploading a new version of the file does not change the description of the file. This page may give you more hints on which license to choose. Thank you.

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The file is a simple duplicate, but I'll add the license. Kwamikagami (talk) 01:52, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Arab Spring map reframed.svg[edit]

Hi, I don't get why Iran is grey here but not other countries...? Protests in Iran had nothing to do with those of Arab countries. --Z 12:52, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

They had a lot to do with it. The are widely seen as the precursor to the Arab Spring, and they have continued during the Arab Spring. I asked on the talk page what the grey was supposed to mean, and never got an answer. (Greece was grey, for example.) So grey Iran is kinda arbitrary. Mali is related, but more from inflow of arms than a social connection. I think this is s.t. we'd want to discuss on the talk page of the map: What is grey supposed to mean? What qualifies a country as grey?
I just checked to see if you had said anything on the talk page, and see that it has been deleted. I'd ask it to be restored, but I'm so tired of mucking around with Commons that I prefer just to keep things on WP-en and avoid it. Kwamikagami (talk) 21:56, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Countries_with_Female_Heads_of_State_and_Government.svg[edit]

Added further comment at Commons:Graphics village pump... AnonMoos (talk) 06:04, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Kwamikagami (talk) 23:13, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

File:World homosexuality laws.svg[edit]

Not sure why India seems to be covered with a blurry gradient in the latest versions of the map... AnonMoos (talk) 13:06, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello Kwamikagami. I'm very impressed by the cartography that you realize. I would like to be able to collaborate with you, specially in the maps of the laws on homosexuality and the maps that treat political and economic topics. Thank you very much.kike

Religions of Africa[edit]

Please provide a source for your changes. -- 000peter (talk) 16:04, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

The sources at the WP-en article on South Sudan, for one. Kwamikagami (talk) 19:06, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for the late reply. Having looked and seen you were right I'd like to apologise for my reverting and for the hostile tone above. I can see how the wrong shading came about, since South Sudan has not been independent for very long and the Sudan data was being used.
No hard feelings? --000peter (talk) 00:35, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Of course not, not if you can either show me I'm wrong or admit that you are. Sometimes I get annoyed in anticipation of people being idiots, without giving them the chance to demonstrate they're being reasonable. Kwamikagami (talk) 22:25, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

2012-07 malayo-polynesian languages[edit]

Hello,

Could you create a copy of File:Malayo-Polynesian.svg, but without Madagascar? You might call it File:Malayo-Polynesian-Southeast-Asia.svg.

Could you create a copy of File:Borneo-Philippines.svg without Madagascar and only with Philippines languages? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:15, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

AWB and autopatrolled[edit]

I've added you to the list of approved users for AWB, and I've given you the autopatrolled right. INeverCry 05:34, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Kwamikagami (talk) 05:38, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

How the hell is it that it took them five days to approve me, and you got AWB access in 18 minutes!? Vanisaac (talk) 09:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Dunno. Maybe cuz I used to be an admin on WP, they didn't have much to think about. Or maybe there just happened to be someone online at the time I asked to take care of it. Kwamikagami (talk) 21:46, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Reply on your revert[edit]

Hi Kwamikagami, I replied on my talk page. §§VibhasKStalk 14:50, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Comment[edit]

You should add to this map all the Arab League (source) Have a beatiful day!--79.150.84.53 23:02, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. Kwamikagami (talk) 23:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Regarding File:Anglospeak.svg[edit]

Hello! You reverted my removal of Malaysia and Ethiopia from File:Anglospeak.svg, with the comment "de facto official (language of education)". Have you got a source for that? English has not been the official language of Malaysia since the 1960's. English is not the official language of Ethiopia at the federal level, it is Amharic. Since neither countries has English as an official language, why do you place them in the light blue category of "Countries where it is an official but not primary language"? I don't quite understand the term "language of education", that seems to be beyond the scope of this image, and also there would be far more countries in the world where English is the language of education, especially at the tertiary/university level (e.g., Sweden, Taiwan all use English textbooks at this level). --Shibo77 10:15, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I was trying to go by analogy w other countries. English is the language of education in both Malaysia and Ethiopia. Perhaps we should have a third color for de facto use? The point of these maps is to show where a language is spoken, so use in education, govt, etc. is relevant IMO. Kwamikagami (talk) 22:44, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Adding states to maps[edit]

Hi, Kwamikagami! I'm interested in knowing how to add individual states to world maps (such as in the World marriage-equality laws map regarding the Brazilian, American, and Mexican states)? Thevastdarkness (talk) 16:31, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

The Brazilian states are all there, off the left edge of the map. When you edit, just scroll to the left until they come into view, and you can move over whichever one you want. To get them, I copied a map of the states of Brazil and resized and rotated it until it approximately matched the country on our map. However, I didn't do the best job; because it was the center of the projection, and on our map it is not, the individual states need more tweaking than that, and you'll need to resize and rotate them a bit when you move them over.
For Quintana Roo I duplicated the map of Mexico and then deleted all the nodes but the coast of Quintana; adding the nodes for the land borders was easy because they are all straight lines. Kwamikagami (talk) 04:00, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

World homosexuality laws map[edit]

I agree with your "cool colors" remark. See my suggestion: File_talk:World_homosexuality_laws.svg#Green Cavann (talk) 00:55, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Portuguese language map[edit]

Kwamikagami,

Who do you think you are changing any language related item the way you want?! Did you see the talk you're referring to at all (as it is "coincidently" deleted now, my first guess would be you)? The talk gave clear arguments against the very edits you just came up with...no wonder you can no longer see it. It was even written in English so you could get a glance of what adults talked about (but note: only cause you're intellectually incapable of understanding anything else but you're mother tongue, that doesn't mean other sources of information are invalid). 141.13.170.175 13:58, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Do you have a point that's relevant to improving the file? A link to the file you're talking about would also be useful. Rants are not. Kwamikagami (talk) 23:26, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Israel on world state religions[edit]

Hey Kwamikagami, Could you change the status of Israel on the Map of State religions? The source used to designate Israel as a religious Jewish state is misleading. Israel is indeed a Jewish state, but the Zionist definition of Jewish is in fact an ethnic group, not a religion. Indeed, if we were to follow the Judaism as religion formula, the most notable spokesman of Zionism, Theodor Herzl, wouldn't be considered a Jew (he was atheist). Furthermore, the Jewish state never defines religious Judaism as a national religion in any sense (some Israeli Jews are Buddhists, for example). So it really shouldn't be on the map like that. --Yalens (talk) 19:36, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I didn't add Israel, and am not current with the situation. But, for example, last I heard you couldn't get a secular marriage in Israel. That sounds like a state religion to me. Maybe you could take it to the talk page of the file, or of the articles that use the image on WP-en or WP-he? Kwamikagami (talk) 21:24, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Israel lacks both an official state religion and real separation of state and religion. It's true it doesn't have civil marriage for Jews (though if certain bills to pass, this may change soon). It also has various other elements of law that violate secularism- for example the privilege of dodging mandatory military service granted to yeshiva students. It should really be grey (one could make the argument for it being blue in a map that didn't have gray, as it doesn't have an official state religion, but this map is blue), I think... but I can't do it, right now at least.--Yalens (talk) 23:13, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

File:Samesex marriage in USA.svg[edit]

This infographic map needs to be updated for accuracy. According to Reuters, there are three same-sex couples who have been issued licenses and married in Oklahoma despite official prohibition. --emerson7 | Talk 15:28, 3 November 2013 (UTC)


File:World same-sex adoption laws.svg[edit]

In Austria stepchild adoptions are allowed since 1 August 2013. So in map should be Austria coloured in green medium.

--178.3.23.189 17:29, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey Kwamikagami, I saw your comments on my talk page. I just wanted to follow up with you. For Switzerland, if you look at the LGBT rights in Switzerland page, it is sourced as having passed step-child/biological adoption. The only part that goes unsourced is any indication of whether or not this law was challenged in a referendum. Maybe you could also take a closer look at the article from this link: http://dot429.com/articles/2444-switzerland-a-law-will-open-some-adoption-rights-to-homosexuals. From what I have mustered, the law passed and groups in opposition had the opportunity to collect the required signatures within 100 days of passage. From what I understand they didn't, so the law is "safe" from any referendum, the effecitve date however is not until 2016 so perhaps we could shade it, but add a footnote explaining this caveat. Chase1493 (talk) 10:23, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!
On the marriage map, we color in once the law is passed, not when it goes into effect. The UK, for example. I think we should have the same criteria for the two maps, though whether this way of doing it is a good idea is another question. Kwamikagami (talk) 10:33, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Exactly, I know that in the past there has been problems setting precedence and synchronization for the marriage maps alone, so I wasn't sure if we wanted to carry over that into the adoption maps (and open up another huge debate in the process). My personal reservation to shading it is the how far off the effective date is. Three years is quite a long time for legislation to go into effect, which is just ridiculous in my personal opinion. Then agian, I'm not extrememly familiar with the swiss model of democracy other than the fact that it is heavily entrenched in the proportional and consensus styles. Chase1493 (talk) 22:47, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
I've just followed the existing consensus on this. People have suggested a "passed but not yet in effect" color, but we'd need one for each kind of adoption, which starts making the map look rather busy (and the marriage map potentially even more so). Or maybe we could outline the country in such cases: make the border the appropriate color and really thick? Since I'm kind of responsible for both maps right now, I didn't want to remake them in my own image too much, but with this map in particular there seems to be very little interest, so it probably wouldn't matter. Do you have any ideas on good ways to show the legal progress without misinforming our readers, who will understandably think it's legal wherever it's shaded in? Kwamikagami (talk) 10:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure you remember that god forsaken yellow color that used to be used on the map with the idea of the topic being "under consideration" or "proposed." Obviously that was quite a mistake as it was to ambiguous and, in my personal opinion, people would rather see countries yellow rather than red or grey; when the reality was the topic had been dropped and some countries were still shaded months if not years after the fact. I was thinking that we could bring back a sole color to use for laws that will be going into effect in the future. We don't necessarily have to specify which kind of adoption, instead just use an ambiguous phrase like "Legislation expanding adoption rights has yet to go into affect." The only problem I see with this particular option is that if a country already has something like step-child or biological adoption it could incorrectly be interpreted as there being no kind of law previously present. So maybe use a new color to border countries that shows there is an expansion coming, but at the same time retaining the fill that shows the current legal situation? Or perhaps use our existing colors and outline states that will allow adoption based on type. So say Finland or Germany legalize full adoption rights we would keep the light purple as the fill and outline it in dark purple. Or if a country like italy legalizes step-child we outline it in light purple and keep the gray fill. Then all we would have to do is add a footnote explaining what the bordering colors actually mean. Chase1493 (talk) 20:19, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
The last would seem to be the most adaptable. I've done that for the UK with marriage, so see what you think. (We now have it here for Swiss, but that's such a small country that it doesn't show up well.) Kwamikagami (talk) 07:31, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Dutch territory marriage[edit]

With regards to File:World marriage-equality laws.svg, how can a couple be allowed to register as married but have this not recognised? I haven't seen the sources, but is this perhaps a situation where we could use the Federal USA colour? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 11:45, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't know the details, and people don't seem to be sure. From what I gather, the local gov is required to register you, but not to extend any of the rights of marriage. It's to be revised if we can find some good refs. I just would rather not claim a state if we're not sure. Kwamikagami (talk) 23:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


2013: Stepchildadoptions allowed: Switzerland and Portugal are missing in File:Gay Adoption Map Europe.svg[edit]

In File:Gay Adoption Map Europe.svg are missing Switzerland and Portugal which allowed stepchild adoptins in 2013.

Switzerland

--178.3.27.59 18:36, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Portugal

--178.3.27.59 18:39, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Not missing either. Switz is there, just in outline as not yet in effect. Portugal passed but AFAIK not yet signed. Kwamikagami (talk) 05:58, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Oh, sorry. That's on the world map. Yeah, Switz should probably be added to the Euro map. Kwamikagami (talk) 06:22, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Editor @ ar.wiki[edit]

Hello. I would like to inform you that I have granted you editor flag at the Arabic Wikipedia, all your edits there will be automatically marked as patrolled. Best regards.--Avocato (talk) 07:17, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Kwamikagami (talk) 06:12, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

World same-sex adoption laws: Utah[edit]

Hi, Sorry for bothering you but.. I noticed that you reverted "GayTenn"'s edits because they lacked a source. Well, I think I might have found some reliable sources if you'd like to take a look. http://le.utah.gov/~code/TITLE78B/htm/78B06_011700.htm http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/judge-strikes-down-utahs-same-sex-marriage-ban/2013/12/20/f032442e-69bc-11e3-997b-9213b17dac97_story.html (the second ref states that same-sex marriage was legalized in Utah but you probably already knew that.)
Sincerely, --Prcc27 (talk) 08:25, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Number 4 is where it gets a little bit tricky! --Prcc27 (talk) 08:35, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Here's another source: http://www.utahlegalservices.org/public/legal_problem-en-us/family-law/adoption/begin-questions-answers-adoption but.. Idk, I'm not sure. --Prcc27 (talk) 08:57, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Sure, if married couples can adopt, and gays can now marry, you'd think that married gay couples could adopt. But I thought there were laws against it, and I haven't heard anything about those laws being struck down. Kwamikagami (talk) 09:43, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Well, "Section 117 Who may adopt -- Adoption of minor" doesn't seem to prohibit same-sex couples from adopting. Maybe, but I don't think so. There might be other laws about adoption but I highly doubt it. I guess for now it's probably a little unclear... Prcc27 (talk) 01:52, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, it's quite possible the ban is now void, but given the pathetic state of our adoption maps before we started cleaning them up, and how difficult it's been to verify anything, I'd really like to have explicit confirmation before adding anyplace else. I'd hate to get anyone's hopes up only to be proven wrong. Kwamikagami (talk) 19:49, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
What about adding Utah to the "No law either way" column on the Gay Adoption Map North America since it's unclear whether it's allowed or not?--Prcc27 (talk) 04:50, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
We don't know that's the case either. It may be ambiguous, but the law may also be very clear. We need a RS on the status of adoption since SSM was allowed before we can say anything. Kwamikagami (talk) 00:25, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
What about changing "No law either way" to "Unknown/ambiguous"? That's what the Same-sex adoption in the US map uses. Plus, it's more accurate that way. --Prcc27 (talk) 06:55, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Same-sex adoption: Arkansas[edit]

Arkansas might have to be added to the world map as well as the North America and United States map. http://www.hrc.org/files/assets/resources/parenting_joint-adoption_082013.pdf --Prcc27 (talk) 09:01, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen that, but removed AR anyway. The site appears to be unreliable. It would be nice if we could just copy them, but I'm afraid that would just be GIGO. Since they footnote that particular case, it's might be okay, but I'd feel much more comfortable if we had confirmation. After all, AR might allow unmarried couples to adopt, but same-sex couple might not be protected under the law and might still experience obstacles. I don't trust that site to not have just assumed it was legal based on their own reading of a newspaper account of the court case. – Kwamikagami (talk) 21:16, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Your deletion requests[edit]

Hi Kwamikagami, please stop nominating for deletion all files which are not in direct use. Files are often just completing a category, and their removing would cause an incompleteness there. Even redundant files should not always be removed, see there. Regards, sarang사랑 11:41, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

They do not "complete" a category, they clutter it. Removing them would not leave the cat incomplete: that's what "redundant" means. They have no use, and are not part of a complete set of images that ever could have much use. Some of them are inferior img's created to fill gaps in our coverage which have since been corrected. So no, I will not stop nominating them for deletion. Now, if I have misunderstood the use of an img, that's another matter, and I'll rescind the nomination if you show me a reason for keeping it. Kwamikagami (talk) 20:10, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

State recognition of same-sex relationships in North America[edit]

Explain what you mean by "if people don't agree with your changes, then perhaps the problem is with your changes." Nobody said they disagreed with them. --Prcc27 (talk) 23:53, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

If you're arguing for a change, and not getting your way, creating a parallel map to bypass the discussion is not a productive approach. Kwamikagami (talk) 07:03, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah it is. In fact, if it isn't updated by March 20 (when the law goes into effect) then it (svg) outta be removed from all the wikipedia pages. It's inaccurate. The map is inconsistent from all the other maps (world, us, homosexuality, etc.). --Prcc27 (talk) 00:42, 18 March 2014 (UTC)