User talk:Lar/Archive 2

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This is an archive of threads started in User talk:Lar from about 1 November 2006 through about 1 March 2007. Please do not comment here, use my current talk page for that, thanks. It is (the first) part of a series of archives, see the box at left for the list and to navigate to others.
My archived talk        [+/−]
Archive 1 — start through about 1 Nov 2006
Archive 2 — about 1 Nov 2006 through about 1 Mar 2007
Archive 3 — about 1 Mar 2007 through about 1 Aug 2007
Archive 4 — about 1 Aug 2007 through about 1 Jan 2008
Archive 5 — about 1 Jan 2008 through about 1 Sep 2008
Archive 6 — about 1 Sep 2008 through about 1 Nov 2008
Archive 7 — about 1 Nov 2008 through about 1 Jan 2009
Archive 8 — about 1 Jan 2009 through about 1 Mar 2009
Archive 9 — about 1 Mar 2009 through about 1 Jun 2009
Archive 10 — about 1 Jun 2009 through about 1 Sep 2009
Archive 11 — about 1 Sep 2009 through about 1 Jan 2010
Archive 12 — about 1 Jan 2010 through about 1 May 2010
Archive 13 — about 1 May 2010 through about 1 September 2010

Translation efforts[edit]

Hiya Lar!

Just figured I'd drop you a little link. In between tv shows, I've been doing a little translating of the message templates, and was getting...annoyed...trying to recall which one needed what, so I whipped up User:Kylu/templates real quick to keep track of my efforts. Anyway, if you and anyone else feel like joining me in translating various messages, please feel free.

Oh, I was going to do Arabic also, but it's such a pain to try to wikilink to English links in Arabic script, I'm just going to let someone smarter than me do that. :(

Ja mata! ~Kylu (u|t) 02:49, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

HIYA Kylu! Nice work on that matrix, is that just for you to track or? if it's for others maybe put it on the talk page of messages Commons_talk:Message_templates ? Thanks for tracking this and happy translating! ++Lar: t/c 04:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
It's just for me to keep track of things, since I'm only putting down the languages I feel okay translating to. I cheat somewhat, since I use automated translation heavily and just tweak the results, though once I'm dealing with wikilinks it gets a bit more difficult, and that's where it takes a bit more knowledge of the language. c.c
Anyway, if you want to put a link to it on the talkpage there, that's fine, or if you don't, that's fine too. If you wouldn't mind, poke Bastique and Shanel too, I bet they'd both be willing to help. I'd say Hoopydink, but I think she mostly knows Gaelic languages, and ... well, to be honest, there's very little use for warning templates in Gaelic on commons, since it's mostly just for people to be able to get an idea across, not actual language-specific content. Take care! ~Kylu (u|t) 05:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I would rather see you link it, as it's your thing... don't hide under bushel baskets etc. ++Lar: t/c 12:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Is that anything like climbing the Reichstagg dressed as spiderman? 15:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
No, it's more like you (Kylu) did the great work, you should get the credit. ++Lar: t/c 15:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia logo mosaic[edit]

Hi. What is this last picture in every row for? I mean the one in unnamed? I looks like a "comment", but I'm not sure. Nux (talk/dyskusja) 22:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not quite 100% sure what you mean. (but I think I do) This mosaic is highly templatised, there may be some bug in how it was generated or the templates implemented. (I have already found more than one in the spreadsheet) Are you referring, to stuff like this for example (at the end of row 3): 29=Cumulus clounds.jpg| 30=Zwijndrecht3.jpg| =Zellengewölbe Albrechtsburg.JPG| rownum=3}} ?? I confess I don't know... but in looking at recent versions of the generating spreadsheet, they are introducing that for no reason I can see (I hvae one too many columns in the cells)... that needs to go away. It does not harm anything but it doesn't help either. If I get inspired I'll throw an inuse up and edit them all out. ++Lar: t/c 23:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


Commons:Deletion requests/Image:Lego Roboforce two minifigures.jpg may be of interest --pfctdayelise (说什么?) 13:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. On it. Appreciate the heads up. It's rather old of a request isn't it... ++Lar: t/c 14:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Privacy and U.S. law[edit]

Please note that there is no such U.S. (or state) law that protects private people from having their images published for editorial (or social commentary) purposes. Rklawton 03:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I believe you're incorrect. The image was not taken in a public place, the person is a minor, and you previously stated you had consent. Also I'm not sure that editorial or social commentary apply. ++Lar: t/c 11:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Do you usually go around suggesting we delete stuff because you're not sure about something? McDonalds is a public place in that it is open to the public. The minority of the subject is irrelevant except for their inability to form a contract themselves. Given the image's use "editorial" applies as it is within an article. And it's indisputable that childhood obesity is a matter of significant social concern. Rklawton 13:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Do you usually get this defensive? I AM pretty sure about this, actually. But if I wasn't, given precedent here at commons, I'd err on the side of caution anyway, not risk taking. McDonalds is NOT a public place, unless you have written permission from them to photograph, you're on shaky legal ground to even be TAKING pics there. But no matter, I've referred this to Brad for his counsel and whatever he says, you and I will have to abide by. Again, I find it terrifically interesting that you asserted you had permission, then changed tack. I hate to burst your bubble but your fair use arguments (editorial, etc) don't apply. We need a free license. Which you haven't supplied. ++Lar: t/c 14:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't like it when people get their facts wrong and don't do their research. It's sloppy and counterproductive to any wiki. You are wrong about McDonalds. See Krages Chapter 2. The place is open to the public, and if they wanted to restrict its use, they'd have to provide fair notice. The image is provided under ShareAlike 2.5, so you are mistaken about that as well. As for your other claims, I'd need to see references to respond to them specifically. Rklawton 15:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not really thrilled with your tone at this point, but let's take this back to the main discussion. ++Lar: t/c 19:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


We, from the portuguese Wikipedia, are pleased to contribute to the Wikimedia Commons, i'm now helping User:Lijealso with those translations. More will be coming soon. Thanks!-GAD talk ð contributions 15:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi! There are still some things to do, like GAD said... Specially now that the upload of files in the portuguese Wikipedia has been disabled, we will be helping out here (translating to pt, helping pt users, tagging images with lack of info, etc). :) Lusitana 16:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
EXCELLENT! I'd encourage upstanding .pt admins to stand for admin here at commons as soon as practical as well so that you can also do the adminish things needed. ++Lar: t/c 17:21, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandal edits[edit]

Thanks for your help. I must confess I don't feel confortable with this, but I believe it is incorrect, and sometimes unfair (like in the present case), to delete entries from a discussion, even if they are our own. Best regards, Alvesgaspar 00:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not a discussion deleter myself.. there is a balance somewhere that we need to find, if someone wants to remove their own words, in some cases we should allow it... in this particular case we seem to have ended up at a good place though? ++Lar: t/c 00:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Commons:Administrators/Requests and votes/Kylu[edit]

Hiya Lar!

Sorry to disappoint, but while perhaps I disagree with Tarawneh's characterizations (She doesn't mention that I do a lot of "sandbox" work in my userspace instead of dumping things into the "live" wiki, same as I do on enwiki) she still has a point that I don't meet the minimum requirements for adminship on Commons. While I'm quite flattered that you nominated me and I got so much community support so quickly, I really feel that I should do the Right Thing and not accept the nomination. If I were an admin, I'd expect others to follow our policies here, so I can't very well be exempt to them myself. Perhaps later I'll be more useful to the community in this role?

Thank you for your vote of confidence, however!

~Kylu (u|t) 02:25, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


Hi Lar! Could you please insert this PT translation Commons:Aviso geral in the {{lang-GD}} template? Thanks! Lusitana 12:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I have already inserted the link ;) --Matt314 15:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Tool2 editcounter use[edit]

The localized versions of Tool2 (both on here and enwiki) rely on being loaded into the user monobook.js of the user performing the editcounts and they have to use the loaded version of the tool.

In English: Let's say that both you and I converted Tool2 for frwiki use, I load my version and you load yours. I click on my tool2 link on my page (pointing at Utilisateur:Kylu/tool2.js) and it'll work fine, since I'm using my loaded version. If I went to your page to view your counts, I'd still need to go to my Tool2 page (not yours), since your version isn't loaded into my monobook...

An IP user, sadly, can't use Tool2 at all, since it relies on it being resident in the user js. That's why I provide both T2 and external editcount links when possible. ~Kylu (u|t) 05:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Hm... I wonder if something (on some small wiki that wasn't key to everything) could be tried with having it loaded in the default monobook.js rather than a particular user? Just musing out loud, have not thought about how this would work. ++Lar: t/c 12:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
It's doable, if it's put into MediaWiki:Common.js (blank on commons, btw) it'll load for every user on startup. Catch is, having Tool2 loaded that way on a large community site like enwiki is going to be nigh impossible, I think. If you want to do it on ETI, wordforge, or other smaller site that I'm admin/crat/whatever on, though, let me know. Most of those are just about monolithic dictatorships anyway. ~Kylu (u|t) 09:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I think it may be an interesting exercise to see if a minimal set of "neat functions" (popups, a few counters, I dunno, what else might be nifty?) can be easily packaged up and brought to a non MW hosted wiki and gotten to work. I had tried it a long time ago on BrickWiki but failed. Would that be an interesting thing to work on together? let me know. (It would also be interesting to bring this func to Meta if it isn't there already) ++Lar: t/c 11:26, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
The problem with that is the most "neat" scripts (I'm glaring at you, popups!) is that they're absolutely bloody huge. Go check the size of user:kylu/popups.js and user:kylu/navpop.css for instance. Basically, the more useful the link, the larger it'll be. Though, now that you've gotten me to do so, I think I can come up with something... ~Kylu (u|t) 16:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, took a minute to do: User:Kylu/editcount.js
Okay, so load that into either your monobook or into the site common.js, and it'll link to Interiot's editcounter tool. Obviously it won't work on English Wikipedia (since its database is held elsewhere), but I've included a short howto on porting the tool to Enwiki if anyone cares. Just tried it, works fine. ~Kylu (u|t) 16:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Well I duno about the counting stuff but I am happy to say I got popups to work for me on meta using your version here on commons... thanks for that! (basically I copied my entire monobook.js from here to meta and tweaked a couple of things. ++Lar: t/c 22:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Be civil final/de[edit]

Image deletion warning Template:Be civil final/de has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this image, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. If the file is up for deletion because it has been superseded by a superior derivative of your work, consider the notion that although the file may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new file.
In all cases, please do not take the deletion request personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

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Enricopedia 01:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome message! I will take care of the translation and remove the DR. Greetings! --Enricopedia 14:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

My RFA: Thanks[edit]

Thank you for your support on my RFA. Now that I have been promoted, I promise to be as hardworking and fair with the admin tools as I have been with the other areas here on Commons. See you around and happy editing. Zzyzx11 15:50, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Re: what is it[edit]

moved to User talk:Pfctdayelise per my policy on keeping discussion threaded. ++Lar: t/c 15:48, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Stephen Harper Copyright[edit]

Hi, I noticed your comments on the image:OfficialPhoto.jpg. I'm new to these copyright disputes and I would appreciate your feedback. I would like to state upfront that the mess over this image has resulted from two users trying to revert the flagging of the image as a possible copyright violation. I was not the initial person who identified this problem, but a late comer who wanted to see a formal resolution. At this time my dispute is based on the fact that there exists 3 copyright notices for this image, Herman Chung, House of Commons and now the Prime Minister's Office was just discovered today. In a case like this, how do we know who to contact and how do we know we have received a sufficient release from the proper holder? If we subsequently find that the person who released the copyright is still posting the image with a non-free license, do we assume the e-mail permission is false? Your guidance on this issue is greatly appreciated. 05:28, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

OK, with the provisos that 1) this probably would better be discussed on the copyright/license discussion page, 2) I am no copyright expert and not a lawyer, and 3) I am new to Commons adminiship and may not be completely versed in how things are done....
It is my view that in the general case of conflicting assertions of copyright, the safe thing to do (and what I think we do) is to assume the more restrictive (and thus safer) course, assume temporarily that the material isn't licensed, and seek a stronger confirmation of the true state. That holds where both assertions are approximately equal. If we can't get such in a reasonable time, remove the image to be on the safe side (we need to be able to show reasonable care and prudence if we need to legally defend our actions... again IANAL, that's just my thinking). In this particular case, though, the conflicting assertions are not from reasonably equivalent sources. A private party is asserting one thing, and a government is asserting another. (remember, the copyright state that is asserted for the image by the government is present on the page where the image is, as well as in emails that have been sent)... so there is no need for playing it safe. Any reasonable person (again, IANAL) would agree that we acted reasonably in assuming that the government is competent to assert rights and has done so. If we let a private party's assertion stand in the way of a government assertion in as clear a case as this, we could be hamstrung by anyone asserting "I own the satellite that NASA said produced the image they released" no matter how crazy that assertion is. So I see no reason to pursue this further, the rights are clear enough, regardless of any assertions by private parties. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 11:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
The Herman Chung copyright notices is on two separate pages of the Government of Canada. Every publically displayed version of this image has a copyright notice, yet ViriiK is asserting that the Prime Minister's Office has released the image into the public domain under a free license. I would like to know what free license they released it under and have the e-mail sent to a commons verification e-mail address vs being posted by some user hell bent on keeping the image. In the mean time, I think the image should be deleted. Keep in mind, due dilligence is not accepting the word of an anonymous user, as we are all anonymous on here. If after some conjolling we are able to resolve the status, it could be re-uploaded at that time. There is a substitution in place for this image and I don't see the compelling benefit of keeping it. 20:04, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, I'll have to take a closer look, my understanding and yours don't quite gibe so I need to read more closely. 21:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate it. Hopefully we can all put this to rest soon. 02:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Disneyland wallpaper[edit]

Thanks for catching that! I was trying to sort out Category:Wallpaper and Category:Computer wallpaper and managed to confuse myself. It was the distinctive wallpaper on the wall I was trying to categorize. Man vyi 06:49, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Your categories[edit]

FYI, Your categories are being discussed on the VP. -- Bryan (talk to me) 12:35, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the heads up on that. Much appreciated. ++Lar: t/c 02:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the RFA vote[edit]

Smiley in Bow Tie.jpg Thanks for the vote --Tarawneh 00:35, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

own license tag {{vsh60lic}}[edit]

Refactored to User_talk:Vishwin60#own_license_tag_.7B.7Btl.7Cvsh60lic.7D.7D

Thanks for the vote[edit]

Thank you for voting in my rfa and your kind words. Your vote was one of the 16 that caused my promotion. I will do the same stuff that made you think I already was an admin -- Bryan (talk to me) 19:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

File extensions[edit]

Colossal octopus by Pierre Denys de Montfort.jpg

For using capitalised extensions, your boat gets attacked by an octopus; game over. --Benn Newman 02:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

That boat doesn't look like it is sinking to me. Rather the sailors look about ready to enjoy some tasty seafood. Thanks for the image, it's really quite remarkable. ++Lar: t/c 14:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Image:Thornapple TIGER Irving dam area map3c.PNG[edit]

refactor to User_talk:Amada44#Image:Thornapple_TIGER_Irving_dam_area_map3c.PNG, let's keep discussion there, I watch. ++Lar: t/c 15:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I did an SVG. look here: User_talk:Amada44#Image:Thornapple_TIGER_Irving_dam_area_map3c.PNG --Amada44 22:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi! yep, the description page looks allot better :) and the text correction is also fine. I had a look at this image: Image:US Army Transport museum context map.png. problematic is the small map in the map as I can hardly recognize the details there and,... it is quite a lot of work *smile* Lets see if I get round to doing that. I am really happy, that you like the other map!! --Amada44 08:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Category talk:Kurdistan[edit]

I nominate you for the job. --Cat out 16:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Um, I already have one mediation that I am 3 months behind on resolving, I am not a good choice! ++Lar: t/c 19:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
As you wish, can you nominate someone else who is in the field of mediation. You may know people better than I do. --Cat out 19:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

New QI guidelines[edit]

Hi Lar, you stated that we could need some better image awarding guidelines. I started a proposal at Quality images and would need your help here. Do you know other people thinking the same way? --Ikiwaner 00:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Clearyourcache warning[edit]

Interesting. Got any examples of it happening on en.wp? Alphax (talk) 02:29, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes. There was a spate of this vandalism a few days back, I don't off hand recall the users doing it (the stuff has all been deleted now) but it got propagated to a large number of new user pages... ask me on IRC sometime maybe, or ask on en-admins. en-admins found it in the first place. ++Lar: t/c 03:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Template talk:Location dec US[edit]

You said, that something is wrong with that template on 23 June 2006. What is the status of the template? Can it be used? Can you give more information about it? Thank You. --Torbenhenke 13:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

that was a while ago and I had to refresh my memory... I think it works fine, I did some hacking on it and I use it in a lot of my descriptions, for example Image:Irving Dam Thornapple River DSCN0164.JPG. So I'd say keep using it. IIRC the problem I was having was a math conversion problem but as it turns out if you give DMS as (decimal value for degrees) M(0) S(0) it has the same effect as if you gave D(whole number value for degrees) M(M equivalent to decimal part of degrees) S(S equivalent to decimal part of degrees after taking M out) I think I fixed it that way... Gosh I hope that makes sense. ++Lar: t/c 14:17, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Language boxes on userpage...[edit]

...appear broken on Firefox 20:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. In what way? they look a little funky to me in FF 1.5, in thta they have lines from the bullets about a box long, to where they are... same way? ++Lar: t/c 21:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that's probably what the user meant, as I see it too in 2.0. But I could be wrong. RoscoHead 22:30, 20 February 2007 (UTC)