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Landscape at Kobern you've put in the German article - pure phantasy if you ask me (livin' at Winningen). Regards --172.181.243.143 23:01, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Das ist a) Kunst und hat was mit Phantasie zu tun und b) obendrein ist's 200 Jahre her. Lebtest du da auch schon in Winningen? Schöne Grüße --Luestling 18:49, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Image:Isaac-newton 1.jpg and Image:James-clerk-maxwell 1.jpg[edit]

Please provide more information about these images. At least web page address. Info about original printed publication will be plus. Thank you. --EugeneZelenko 02:12, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Please consider to use Google if you already don't. Both files are definitely in the Public Domain, and in either cases widely used among many sites. The special colors of the Newton portrait are a result of the GIF format. --Luestling 18:22, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for reminder but it's uploader’s job to provide information about image source. Please read Special:Upload carefully. --EugeneZelenko 13:12, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Image:Michel-eyquem-de-montaigne 1.jpg[edit]

Hi. Please indicate exacte source and author for Image:Michel-eyquem-de-montaigne 1.jpg. "Web" is not enough. Please read the instructions in Special:Upload carefully before providing data for an image. For all you know, this reproduction of the original work of art may very well be copyrighted, thus preventing its use at the Commons. Taragüí @ 08:42, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Taragui!

This file can be by no means copyrighted because it is just to small to be a professional work of its own that is eligible for copyright. It can't be printed in high resolution, and there is absolutely nothing special in this reproduction of a two-dimensional piece of art. It is more or less a photocopy of minor quality.

Of course, you are right, anyway: the web ain't enough. -- OR IS IT? Google says YEAH.

Please be considerate of my shortage of time and please help yourself by reading the things closely you want to make aware to others. --Luestling 16:02, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Answers are to be provided at the user page of the other user, not your own, or the authomated answering method provided by the software does not work.
It is not in you to assert whether the image can be copyrighted or not, unless you can provide a legal basis for the non-copyrightability of images beneath a certain resolution. If you're short in time, which you may well be, please refrain from wasting other people's time in revising your work. Unless you have an explicit, verifiable source for the image (i.e., author and date), it cannot remain in the Commons. The fact that other sites are less strict in respecting authors' rights does not make this less of a possible copyright breach. Taragüí @ 09:29, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, Taragüí, as I've already stated: this file can be by no means copyrighted. 1. It is the simple reproduction of a painting that is several hundred years old 2. There is no additional achievement recognizable that would render the file eligible for copyright.

I downloaded it two years ago or so to complete my personal collection, so I can't tell the exact source anymore. Anyway: go on and delete it if you are able to provide irrefutable evidence that it actually is a breach of copyrights. To accomplish this, you presumably will have to disprove the following:

Material in the public domain
The commons accept material that is in the public domain, that is, documents that are not elegible to copyright or for which the copyright has expired. A work is generally considered to be in the public domain after the creator of the work has been dead for more than 70 (in the US: 95) years. That is, if the author died before 1935, the work can safely be assumed to be in the public domain in almost any juristiction. If the work is anonymous, it is in the public domain 70 years after the date of publication according to the Bern convention.
A work may also be in the public domain (worldwide or in some jurisdictions), if one of the country-specific expections discussed below are applicable. Note however that the details of copyright law are very complicated, especially when international laws and treaties have to be taken into account. In general, if something was created and first published in one country, that country's laws probably apply.

See also:

Please note: the file in discussion here has been stored by a German on a server that is situated in the United States of America. Spanish law will NOT apply.

--Luestling 09:59, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Public domain[edit]

Your argument is based on two untenable assumptions. First, that the creator of the work of art has been dead for more than 70 years; you provide no data as to his identity, so you have no proof of the fact. It can be a modern painting in Renaissance style. Second, that no additional achievement has been performed to render it eligible for copyright. Lacking information about the original, you have no ground for that. I asked you to provide both, and you failed to do it.

The onus of the proof, according to Wikipedia guidelines, is on the uploader. I would very much like to see the image stay (I discovered it accidentally when I was looking for an image for es:Montaigne), but there are rules that must be followed. See Commons:Licensing#License Information.

Your remark on Spanish law is not only irrelevant but presumptuous and offensive. You have no clue as to my nationality, and in any case no argument was ever raised touching on the nature of the Spanish code of property rights. I am trying to make you follow Wikipedia guidelines. You're a welcome contributor as long as you accept them. Taragüí @ 10:40, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for being mistaken: I didn't intend to offend your patriotic feelings or whatever. However, this will not impair the simple fact that Spanish law does not apply. (Maybe it's more strict than others - I can't judge this...) I can only bring forward one excuse: "Presumption is our natural and original malady", as Montaigne enlightened us.

Now, let me ask you a question: Why aren't you consistent to tag the following files for rapid deletion as well (I'm making it easy for you - I could cite a few thousands of similar images in the Commons):

By the way: of course if tried to find out the author of Montaigne's portrait but I found no information on that so far. Maybe he's unknown. In this case, I'd like to recommend to delete all images within the Commons of unknown origine and/or unknown authors just to remain consequential.

For example, this one:

Der heilige Baum von Heliopolis mit Thot und Seschet

Are you sure that it definitely isn't the copyrighted drawing of a contemporary?

"Untenable assumptions"[edit]

First, that the creator of the work of art has been dead for more than 70 years; you provide no data as to his identity, so you have no proof of the fact.

See the supplemented description. By the way: the lack of a Spanish explanation is not meant as a subtle form of apartheid. I simply don't speak Spanish. But -- maybe you could provide something more constructive than just deletion requests and translate the whole thing into this beautiful and charming language we're all so fond of?

It can be a modern painting in Renaissance style.

Yeah! It could be anything except what it actually is.

Second, that no additional achievement has been performed to render it eligible for copyright. Lacking information about the original, you have no ground for that.

This is plain NONSENSE: it is all too OBVIOUS that it is a simple photograph of an old painting just as thousands of other files in the Commons. WHY DON'T YOU GO ON AND DELETE THESE AS WELL?! Be consistent! (Most files are by far better mastered in a technical sense than the low-resolution file you are mistrusting; see above.)

The onus of the proof, according to Wikipedia guidelines, is on the uploader.

That's right. Except when you claim a picture to be copyrighted that is -- at first glance -- simply and obviously NOT eligible for copyright. If you were a jurist you'd understand what I mean. You dare to accuse me committing copyright breaches and I should be obliged to prove the contrary? You are incredibly RIDICULOUS, man! Taking your arguments seriously would mean no less than the very END of the Wikimedia Commons. At least, you should bear in mind what you are talking about.

Your deplorable and distressing behavior is reason enough for me to stop any uploads to the Commons immediately. Why should I waste my precious time and my talents (it was me who improved the image technically in order to meet certain standards) to convince the ungrateful inconvincables and busybodies?

MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING.

--Luestling 11:10, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Screaming won't make you right, you know. My "deplorable and distressing" behaviour is simply the result of your lack of concern with the local conventions. The burden of proving that the picture is in fact licensed in terms amenable to the Wikipedia guidelines is, as I remaerked earlier, on you. And the Commons has been working for quite some time under these rules, thank you very much.
Instead of acting in a presumptuous, childish and shrill manner, you could have begun by stating the authorship of the painting. It sheds at least some light on the date of execution. I suppose it might be considered sufficente ground for keeping, although this is now a public affair and should follow the standard procedure for images for deletion.
No one is asking you to waste your "precious" time. You can go elsewhere if you don't like the place. Just like personal essays or opinion articles are out of place in Wikipedia, images of obscure origin are out of place in the Commons. I'm not a chaser of incorrigibles. As I explained above, I stumbled upon this picture by accident, and did what I always do, inform the uploader. Most people understand their obligations under the Wikimedia guidelines; unfortunately, you seem to be slow in doing so. These include, when you know the painting is dated before 1617, explicity stating so.
Now go do whatever you do with your precious time. And the next time, state the facts if you don't want people asking about them. Taragüí @ 13:37, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Image:Venezia-map_1-1220x900.png[edit]

What is the source of this map?

Wow, what a beautiful and useful map! Did you make this? If so, please make more! 67.189.44.80 05:24, 25 August 2005 (UTC)


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Image Tagging Image:Venezia-map 1-1220x900.png[edit]

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Sorry, I forgot my password, so I couldn't log in. I created the map myself following several samples downloaded from the internet. Because all the maps I've revised showed the same proportions I guess it's hardly a copyright infringement. Thanks for your concerns, babes. - Luestling

File:Amadeo-modigliani le-grand-nu 1.jpg[edit]

Hello Luestling, could you please, give same indications about that image ? If for exemple, you've modified the colors, or where exactly you've find it, if it has been scanned, or else. Thanks very much for your answer. Yours sincerely. -- Perky 11:13, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


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Image:1596 Caravaggio, The Lute Player The Hermitage, St. Petersburg.jpg[edit]

Just a friendly note to say that I've uploaded a new version of the above image - it was the same resolution as the one you uploaded but with better clarity and colour. I'm currently transferring images from the English Wikipedia that should be on Wikimedia Commons and came across this image. If this is not okay you can revert my edit and I will upload my version separately - although it seems silly to have the same painting on twice! Madmedea 13:15, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


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Image Tagging Image:John_Vanderbank,_Isaac_Newton_(800x674).jpg[edit]

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Deprecated language templates[edit]

Hi,
I just wanted to let you know that {{english}}, {{deutsch}}, {{polski}}, {{français}} and so on are now deprecated and should not be used any more.
You can use {{en|Your English text}}, {{de|your Deutsch text}}, {{pl|your Polish text}}, {{fr|your French text}}, etc. instead :)
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Image Tagging Image:Lorenzo-de-medici_2.jpg[edit]

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Image Tagging Image:Arnold_Böcklin_(1827_-_1901),_Selbstportrait_(1873).jpg[edit]

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File source is not properly indicated: File:Leopold-mozart 1.jpg[edit]

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Venezia-map 1-1220x900.png[edit]

Hi. In this map you have labelled one of the rios the "E. dei Barcaroli". I think it should be "R. dei Barcaroli". Could you take a look? There is a discussion here. pablohablo. 19:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Please help replace this outdated license[edit]

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File:Acadianflag 205x120.png[edit]

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File:Johann Wilhelm Schirmer, Meeresbrandung mit fernen Schiffen, 1836.jpg[edit]

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