User talk:Magog the Ogre/Archive 20

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File:Athletics, Rio 2016.png

The said image is already used at English Wikipedia. How come it is not a violation over there? I want to use the same image at Marathi Wikipedia. Kindly help regarding the same.
Nitin.kunjir (talk) 11:38, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Nitin.kunjir: The Wikimedia Foundation's licensing policy requires that any project allowing "Fair Use" uploads implement an "Exemption Doctrine Policy", please see meta:Non-free content. You can see English Wikipedia's at Non-free content criteria. I do not believe Marathi Wikipedia has one, and until they do you will not be able to do so. Here at Commons, we do not allow Non-free content at all - please see COM:Fair use. Storkk (talk) 11:57, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
@Storkk: thank you for the explanation

Nitin.kunjir (talk) 13:36, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

@: @Abhijitsathe: ‎@Abhijitsathe: @अभय नातू: याविषयी आपण प्रबंधक म्हणून काय करु शकता?

Nitin.kunjir (talk) 13:36, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

It appears that we (w:mr) need to review w:en policy referenced above, discuss it as a community and adopt a suitable (but still within the boundaries of original policy) version of it. It sounds like it is something we should have in the long run anyway. @Storkk:, can you please confirm my reading of this issue?
If that's the case, we can get started on these steps.
To echo Abhijit's note above, thank you for your help and guidance in this matter.
अभय नातू (talk) 16:22, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
@अभय नातू: I think you will need to pass it locally as a community on mrwiki, but I don't know what the next step would be... possibly best to ask a Steward. Magog's talk page is probably not the best venue to continue the discussion, though. Cheers, Storkk (talk) 16:43, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Export hell seidel steiner.png Thank you for your tireless clean-up work on those locator maps transferred by me! :) XXN, 19:45, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

The City Of London.JPG

I have uploaded it using "For the Commons Good.exe" (the random option takes ONLY.. candidates to be uploaded to commons)

The 1st author gazkinz has his pictures without any Copyright uploaded to Flickr :see

Cheers--Mcapdevila (talk) 10:07, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Proximate source: Flickr source: , likely copyvio. Please check the license before transferring to Commons. Storkk (talk) 10:34, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
@Mcapdevila: Storkk is right. When we use the automatic tool, it notifies you, since you are the Commons uploader. In this case, the license at Skyscraper City in no way reflects the license on the description page. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:45, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
I just know that I don't know.. enough..".. I like learning.. and I will.. could you correct my bad transfer if feasible? if not.. erase it of course..--Mcapdevila (talk) 05:25, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
@Mcapdevila: it is possible that the original uploader will get permission, so I think we can leave it up for a bit just in case. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:32, 7 October 2016 (UTC)


n the English Wikipedia was standing stencil candidate for switching to storage. I wanted to switch over that CommonsHelper, but we have reported an API error. Zoranzoki21 (talk) 13:29, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

User:Vietnam Football League

Hi Magog the Ogre. I see you have tagged File:VLeague1 Logo.png with a {{npd}} template. Just for reference, this file seems to have been uploaded by User:Vietnam Football League a couple of times before as File:2016V.League1.png, File:2016V.League1.png and File:Logo Toyota V.League 2016.png, and it has been deleted each time. This editor has uploaded quite of number of files as "own work" that have been subsequently deleted as copyvios and for lacking proper permission, but simply reuploads them at a later date without addressing any of the licensing issues. I am not sure if English is an issue here because the editor never responds to anything posted on their user talk page, but the editor might be under the impression that images which can be downloaded for "free" from various websites means that the editor now owns the image and its copyright. I don't know how else to explain why the editor keeps uploading the same files or similiar files and claim them as "own work". The user name might also be an issue as well per COM:IU since it appears to represent a group/organization and is promotional. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:24, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

This user has had enough multilingual warnings. If s/he actually represents the organization, s/he can follow the process details on that page. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 02:13, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for checking on this. While it's unfortunate when an editor gets any blocked, I agree that this particular editor has been warned about such uploads enough times in the past. They have either decided to ignore these warnings or they simply do not have the competence required to be uploading files to Commons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:13, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Logo TSG 1899 Hoffenheim

Hallo. The Logo of the Football Club "TSG 1899 Hoffenheim" is old. I have the right and current Logo. How can I change the Logo on the TSG 1899 Hoffenheim Wikipedia page?????? Or can you change the Logo??

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Janein123 (talk • contribs) 09:32, 05 October 2016 (UTC)
@Janein123: which file are you talking about? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:46, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
@Magog the Ogre: I talk about the Logo of the football Club "TSG 1899 Hoffenheim" When you watch the wikipedia page of TSG 1899 Hoffenheim, you can see the Logo of the Club on the right side of the page. You loaded up this Logo but this Logo is not the current one. So I want to change the Logo because I have the correct one. How can I do this? Can you change the Logo when I send you the correct one??
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Janein123 (talk • contribs) 09:34, October 6, 2016‎ (UTC)
@Janein123: OK, so I assume you mean File:Logo TSG Hoffenheim.svg or w:File:TSG 1899 Hoffenheim logo.svg. What does the current logo look like? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:36, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
@Magog the Ogre:This FIle ist the current one: File:TSG Logo-Standard 4c.png --> I loaded it up last week, but I don´t know how to put it on the Wikipedia page of TSG 1899 Hoffenheim. Can you do this? That would be great!
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Janein123 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
I mean, you just change the file name; there's nothing else to it. Like this. I don't know what else you're looking for. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:54, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Luise Kaish image "Sphere" at Dartmouth College's Hood Museum

Hello Magog--Thank you for your message. I have permission from the Hood Museum to use the image, which either I or they can forward by e-mail. I just wasn't sure who to contact, or how to relay that information. Navigating these image permissions is new to me, and I want to do the right thing! I just wasn't sure of the best way to demonstrate that I have the needed permissions. Any help or guidance you could offer would be much appreciated. Thank you for your time. Sarahcmccollum (talk)

@Sarahcmccollum: Hi Sarah. It is no problem. Please see the instructions here: Commons:Email templates. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 04:21, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Magog! I appreciate it. Sarahcmccollum (talk)

A barnstar for you!

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
My congratulations on your work AbelNsamba2014 (talk) 23:55, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

user uploading hundreds of snapshots

Hi Magog- How do we deal with a user like this? He seems to be using Commons as a personal photo album--of images of unexceptional quality, with timestamps--and placing them in galleries on multiple wikis. He's uploaded hundreds of snaps of some convention, all with meaningless filenames. Thanks in advance for any tips. --Eric my en.wp talk page 19:07, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

@EricM: he seems to be uploading a lot of useful content, many of it with useful filenames. I'm not really seeing where the problem is. Can you be more specific? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 15:30, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
Well, if you don't see a problem in his contribution list, that tells me there might not be one. I'm not familiar enough with Commons policy to cite any rule; it just looks to me like he's making a mess here. I managed to get a link to an IRC thread from yesterday that might help answer your question (My handle there is MrPique). I got the impression from a couple people there, who might be admins, that they agreed with me that much of his content was out of scope. Hope the link works, and thanks for your time! --Eric my en.wp talk page 23:28, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
@EricM: with regards to just inserting images: we don't worry about that. We leave such decisions up to the host wiki. As for timestamps, you can mark such images with {{watermark}}. We don't usually delete images for that reason. We also don't always have to use all images someone uploads. In fact, most images are not in use. As long as they could be realistically usable at some point, they are in scope. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:34, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the info. So, just to be sure I understand, the 281 machine-named snapshots of unknown people watching game theory conference PowerPoint slides are acceptable by our standards? --Eric my en.wp talk page 13:42, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
And if I haven't pestered you enough, I'm adding a link to another question as I try to better familiarize myself with our criteria: User_talk:INeverCry#Thanks_and_question. --Eric my en.wp talk page 22:50, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
@EricM: if you think they aren't useful, you are welcome to nominate them for deletion. You might find a friendly audience. But you might also upset a regular (and notable) user with a lot of useful contributions. Personally, I don't think it's worth it. Other than that, I can't give you a rigid guideline, because none exists. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 02:10, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Now that I see he's in my dad's age category of computer user, I realize that he likely has no idea that he might not want to upload every snap he takes at a convention. --Eric my en.wp talk page 02:28, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

إليك وساما!

Barnstar of Diligence Hires.png وسام الاجتهاد
Hello I'm hamza from Morocco I study at university I am 22 years old my hobby boxing and swimming and music how are you I want to ask ? what is the problem 630 10:31, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by HAMZACLAY (talk • contribs) 10:31, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
Maybe User:Jameslwoodward can answer this, as he nominated the files for deletion. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:10, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Magog.
In both cases, if you disagree, you may comment under my words on either DR. If you make comments in other places, such as Commons talk:Deletion requests/File:HAMZA CLAY BACK.jpg , they will not likely be seen by anyone. If you have questions about Commons, you may ask Magog here, or me at my talk page. You may also ask questions in English at Commons:Village pump or in Arabic at Commons:الميدان. .     Jim . . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 10:16, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Courtesy ping to User:HAMZACLAY. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 11:00, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

File:RUC PSNI Dungiven.JPG

Just curious: how did you find out the name of the original uploader? Kind regards, Tekstman (talk) 20:15, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

@Tekstman: I deleted it on English Wikipedia.[1]. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:31, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

New user creating an OgreBot page

Hi Magog. This looked a bit strange: [2]. lNeverCry 02:03, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

@INeverCry: yeah, a bit odd. Face-smile.svg Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 02:46, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Date cleanup

Hi Magog, could you use your bot to clean up dates contained in the taken parameter of the {{Flickr}} template. Example: File:Igrexa de Santiago de Gustei.jpg. Search: [3]. Thanks, --Arnd (talk) 17:18, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

@Aschroet: yeah I'll get to that. It might be a while. I'm trying my luck at OAuth right now so I don't have to rely on TUSC. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 04:22, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Cool, thank you a lot. Good luck. --Arnd (talk) 04:27, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
@Aschroet: ✓ Done [4]. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:40, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Checkuser request

Asking you because you've edited more recently than any of the other four CUs.

Would you please visit the "Checkuser's opinion needed." section of COM:AN? I'm not clear if there's a CU-specific board somewhere (my cursory check of COM:CU didn't find any mention of one), so I didn't know if you CUs tend to check AN for CU-related business, but at worst I figured it couldn't hurt to ask you. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 21:30, 30 October 2016 (UTC)


Thanks sir this is my first upload so I didn't know about copyright let me know how I can correct it Sunila.k (talk) 17:00, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

@Sunila.k: are you saying you don't own the copyright? If so, I can delete it. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 22:46, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Talk back

Please see the question I have raised on my talk page. --Regards, KCVelaga ☚╣✉╠☛ 13:30, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Image review discussion on enwiki

Please follow up the image review discussion on WikiProject Military history A-class review of List of National Defence Academy alumni. Please help out of this, so that the list can pass A-class review and eventually a FL. --Regards, KCVelaga ☚╣✉╠☛ 03:43, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

@Krishna Chaitanya Velaga: sure, give me a few days. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 04:06, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG أحتاج إلى المساعدة🙇🙇🙇😁😁😁😁😁😝😘😘😘😘😘😘🎂🍨🍧🍬🍬🍭🍰🚒🚗🚧 Lsjvqdt (talk) 19:42, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
???? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 05:04, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Giorgi Balakhadze

Hi, I am writing to you about User:Giorgi Balakhadze. I am very new to this website and do not know how to report problems with users, but I looked at the blocks that this user had and you were the one that blocked him. You were also the one who unblocked him not too long ago. The user started changing maps based on his biased opinion. First I saw that he removed all Armenian majority areas from File:Europe religion map en.png, he fixed it after I left a message on his page, but if I hadn't he would've never corrected it to the right information. He also changed File:Georgia (orthographic projection with inset).svg in the way it shows the unrecognized regions. I reverted because there was no reason for that and he changed back to his version because he claims "when it is shown in 250px in articles Abkhazia all disappears, this pattern better saves contours" but that is not true. He also left a message on my page about not reverting with discussion, but he made all of his edits without any discussion and reverted back to them, so what he is basically saying is that if he changes maps it is okay but if someone else changes it back it is not okay. He also changed all EU maps by removing all other disputed regions like Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, Northern Cyprus and others. He only left Kosovo with disputed borders. That shows him not being neutral and making biased changes. I looked at his other contributions on here and on Wikipedia and also I looked at his blocks on both websites and it is very clear that he has a very biased opinion on Georgia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia as he is Georgian. I noted that when I left a message on his page, but he told me that that "means nothing in Wikipedia" except that I am sure that making biased changes based on your personal opinion is not allowed here. I thought that if I leave a message for him that he would at least start thinking over making biased changes or at least discuss with someone like he told me to do on my page, but he didn't. He continued to make those changes to all other European maps. I would not have reported him if he stopped doing that, but now I see that he is doing that even after I tried to talk to him about it so it is clear that he disregarded this issue. --Gyumrilak (talk) 22:33, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Update, the user continues to make biased changes even on maps like File:Blank map of Europe.svg. He changed the map by removing all disputed areas citing com:overwite as the reason. The original file was uploaded in 2007 before many of them even existed in its current form. That map was uploaded so long ago that Serbia and Montenegro were still one country. It is obvious that that map was changing as the borders changed. it is also very neutral by showing diputed areas with disputed borders. By his logic, should we still show Serbia and Montenegro as one country because that was the original version. Please help stop the vandalism that this user is doing on here by changed so many maps to his biased opinion. --Gyumrilak (talk) 22:47, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
I've explained my edits for every file and also answered to your questions here. About Armenians it was huge mistake with borders and simply reverted to previous condition of that area (as in original) because even now it is only our imaginations about the religion there, map does not provide any source to prove that those areas there are exactly like you want to show, today after your message I've immediately started editing that map as an act of good faith (it is png file not svg and it took a lot time) and I gave somehow normal view to the map, what you wanted to leave was a big mistake I am telling this as a human geographer.--g. balaxaZe 22:48, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
I am sure you knew that Armenians are the majority in the region because of your knowledge of Georgia, but you still removed it. Right after my message you did not take away the fact that your changes were biased and not neutral and you continued to make those changes on other maps, that is not "good faith". I hope that Magog the Ogre sees how much you are vandalizing maps by changing them to your own biased opinion. --Gyumrilak (talk) 22:56, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
In File:Blank map of Europe.svg disputed regions were added in 2015 but map was created without disputes in 2007. To show with disputed areas we should make another map and provide in a title Blank map of Europe (with disputed regions).svg and that is all it not a vandalism it is just the way what policy tells you.--g. balaxaZe 22:57, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
The borders were different in 2007. Some of the disputed regions, specifically Kosovo and Northern Cyprus were added back in 2011, so now you are just not telling the truth. The other disputed regions were just added on later. You removed them because of your clear biased opinion on the unrecognize states in Georgia. --Gyumrilak (talk) 23:02, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
Okay, it is better because all day I am explaining to you but you do not want to listen, to make NPOV map personal knowledge is not enough one should provide reliable source as well.--g. balaxaZe 23:08, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
Oh, please understand that overwintering is not an option, I am not against (can't be) to create separate maps with disputed ares.--g. balaxaZe 23:08, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
You are not even consistent with what you claim to be doing because many of the maps that you changed do not even match the original upload. What you mainly did was remove or change disputed regions because of your biased opinion withuot any discussion. I am not going to continue arguing with you about this, I think everything is very clear especially looking at the reasons you were blocked for before and all your other contributions. I will now wait for Magog the Ogre's answer. --Gyumrilak (talk) 23:12, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
So wait and do not blame other user, originally I've intended to revert willful edits and policy violation of blocked User:WhyHellWhy sockpuppet User:Leftcry's edits. And when you say "not consistent with what you claim" provide facts and links.--g. balaxaZe 23:17, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
Not all of the maps you changed were even edited by those two users. I already said which files those are, they are now all maps of european countries and some other maps that I have provided links for in the original message. --Gyumrilak (talk) 23:24, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
Ooh, yes as I said it was intended to revert willful edits of that blocked user but you see for every file explanation that there was also text and per COM:OVERWRITE some file from the same topic had overwrites and I reverted them. And please let's wait Magog because if you wanted to listen my explanations you could do it easy on my talk page. Also I see it very suspicious that you appeared after 7 days from my edit in File:Europe religion map en.png and just after of my reverts of that sockpuppet's edits. --g. balaxaZe 23:39, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
I made a spceific list of some of the maps that you changed and how it showed your biased opinion and does not show you trying to follow com:overwrite. I changed File:Europe religion map en.png as soon as I saw it, after looking at your other changes I saw all the other maps because they are the most recent. I am sure if look even farther back I can find more files that you changed because of your biased opinion. --Gyumrilak (talk) 00:38, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Some of the maps changed by Giorgi Balakhadze

In the following maps Girogi Balakhadze cited in the description "+ some lakes" or “fix”. These maps were never edited by the users Why Hell Why and Leftcry that Giorgi Balakhadze mentioned when he claimed that his purpose was to revert their edits. What he did was way more than just adding some lakes, the new map he uploaded look completely different than from the consensus version uploaded by NuclearVacuum. That consensus version also includes the disputed ares of Kosovo, Abkhazia, South Ossetia and some others. Girogi Balakahdze changed the map to only include Kosovo showing his biased opinion that he is editing with about Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

File:EU-Romania.svg, File:EU-Slovakia.svg, File:EU-Portugal.svg, File:EU-Lithuania.svg, File:EU-Czech Republic.svg

In the following maps Giorgi Balakhadze cited “Rv of sockpuppet and per COM:OVERWRITE” but these maps were again never edited by Why Hell Why or Leftcry. Giorgi Balakhadze again removed Abkhazia and South Ossetia despite the fact that the original uploader included them in the consensus version that he uploaded, while still leaving Kosovo. This also shows his biased opinion towards Abkhazia and South Ossetia.


These maps were similar where Giorgi Balakhadze cited “per COM:OVERWRITE” but his new version did not look like the original. The version uploaded by the original user also had Abkhazia and South Ossetia which Giorgi Balakahdze removed. This shows his inconsistency with citing com:overwrite and his biased opinion on Abkhazia and South Ossetia.


In the following maps Giorgi Balakhadze cited in the description “Rv of sockpuppet and per COM:OVERWRITE” but the version of the maps with disputed regions were not changed by Why Hell Why or Leftcry. In some of them Leftcry did edit the maps a few times, but the user was still not the one who changed the map to look that way, so Giorgi did not revert his version of the map. Nevertheless, he still removed Abkhazia and South Ossetia, which were there even in the original user’s version, again showing his biased opinion.

File:EU-United Kingdom.svg, File:EU-Greece.svg, File:EU-Ireland.svg, File:EU-Croatia.svg, File:EU-Cyprus.svg, File:EU-Sweden.svg, File:EU-Spain.svg

These maps were a similar case where Giorgi Balakhadze only cited “fix” but he changed the maps by removing Abkhazia and South Ossetia despite them being there in the upload of the original user.

File:EU-France.svg, File:EU-Poland.svg

In the following maps, user Leftcry did in fact change the map, but the version before Lefrcy’s edits still included Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Giorgi Balakhadze changed that by removing them showing his biased opinion. This shows how he is again inconsistent in com:overwrite because his edits do not reflect the original user’s uploads.

File:EU-Finland.svg, File:EU-Netherlands.svg, File:EU-Italy.svg, File:EU-Hungary.svg, File:EU-Denmark.svg, File:EU-Austria.svg, File:EU-Belgium.svg, File:EU-Bulgaria.svg, File:EU-Slovenia.svg

Those are all only some of the maps that Giorgi Balakhadze changed based on his biased opinion. There are many more, two of which I cited earlier, and many more that I have not cited but you can find them in the contributions list of Giorgi Balakhadze. Giorgi Balakhadze claims that he is doing this because of policies but his edits do not reflect com:overwrite because the original user’s most recent version of the maps does have disputed borders for Abkhazia and South Ossetia which he removed. His biased opinion is very clear. --Gyumrilak (talk) 00:38, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Cutting through all the rhetoric, you have a very good point. Giorgi has used misleading edit summaries to change national borders to support his POV. I have a lot else to say which I will get to when everyone is done talking on here. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:46, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Speaking for myself I think I have said everything. I provided direct files and explained how Giorgi changed them based on his biased opinion. --Gyumrilak (talk) 04:28, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Here is some content I had typed up earlier before it edit conflicted. It might be a bit out of date, but it still applies.

For each issue:

  • First I saw that he removed all Armenian majority areas from File:Europe religion map en.png
    Yep, that is definitely shady. But Giorgi's admitted fault, and we're not mind-readers to know if it was accidentally on purpose, so let's take him as his word.
  • He also changed File:Georgia (orthographic projection with inset).svg in the way it shows the unrecognized regions.
    He changed the coloring. That is a stylistic change. You do not help your cause by lumping in the problematic with the non-problematic.
  • I reverted because there was no reason for that and he changed back to his version.
    The recommended course of action is to use dispute resolution first. This means discussing it civilly, assuming good faith, with the person you disagree with. It looks like your first action was to revert and insinuate he cannot be neutral because of his ethnicity. This is not going to help the situation at all.
  • he made all of his edits without any discussion and reverted back to them,
    He's not required to discuss something before there is a dispute. He is required not to POV push on existing images, though.
  • so what he is basically saying is that if he changes maps it is okay but if someone else changes it back it is not okay.
    On the other side of the coin, you're saying it's OK to revert him and it's not OK for him to revert you. So now we're back to square one: let's discuss the issue.
  • He also changed all EU maps by removing all other disputed regions like Nagorno-Karabakh, Abkhazia, Northern Cyprus and others. He only left Kosovo with disputed borders. That shows him not being neutral and making biased changes.
    I agree if what you just described is true. Please provide examples, which you should be able to do easily, since this is a wiki.
  • I looked at his other contributions on here and on Wikipedia and also I looked at his blocks on both websites and it is very clear that he has a very biased opinion on Georgia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia as he is Georgian.
    True, but he's already done time for his previous errors, and his ethnicity is as irrelevant as yours is. Let's stick with present issues.
  • I thought that if I leave a message for him that he would at least start thinking over making biased changes or at least discuss with someone like he told me to do on my page, but he didn't.
    That's because your approach was all wrong. You reverted him and flamed him on his talk page. This is a great way to bring up the w:WP:MASTADON response, but a horrendous way to convince someone to change something; wikt:you attract more flies with honey than vinegar. You have some valid points, so I recommend trying again without the accusations.

From Giorgi:

  • Also I see it very suspicious that you appeared after 7 days from my edit in File:Europe religion map en.png and just after of my reverts of that sockpuppet's edits.
    It is perhaps suspicious, but let's assume good faith for the other editor, just as I asked him to do for you. It's quite probable this is not a sockpuppet. You're editing several high profile images. If you have good evidence to accuse someone of sockpuppetry, please open a request. Otherwise, please avoid these accusations, as they just derail the conversation.

Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 04:42, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

I would like to take fault for all the points you brought up. As I said before, I am new to this website and do not know all of the detail very well. I saw an issue and I targeted it. I would like to point that I only reverted once for two maps. I started to talk to him after that, instead of continuing to revert all of the maps that he changed, of which there are plenty. I do think however that his ethnicity is at part relevant to the issue. His biased opinion comes based on his ethnic heritage. I just noticed that he even has a section on his opinion about the territorial integrity of Georgia on his user page. I brought up the ethnicity because his bias was coming from there. Having said that, would you agree that the changes made by Giorgi should be adjusted to a version without his personal biased opinion on borders? --Gyumrilak (talk) 05:02, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

For any file that he changed the borders for, yes. If he was restoring a long-term consensus that was disrupted by a sock from the past year or so, without any other additions, then probably not. But that should only be a starting point before we have a larger discussion to come up with criteria on which borders get shown and when. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 05:28, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
All of the maps that I cited in the list had borders changed by him. Disputed borders for Abkhazia and South Ossetia, as well as Northern Cyprus, were present before Giorgi's changes or the changes of any sock. I can find a few other maps that he changed which had disputed borders for Abkhazia and South Ossetia before his changes. --Gyumrilak (talk) 05:38, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
As I saw some maps above I acknowledge that I've putted some descriptions about sockpuppets mistakenly but in those cases anyway 'COM:OVERWRITE was in force I am talking about File:EU-Latvia.svg and File:EU-Estonia.svg since original file of 2009 was without conflict regions (and not only Abkhazia and SO).
It was not a different user who added disputed regions, it was the same user who originally uploaded the file. If you are talking about com:overwrite look at his original file, it looks absolutely nothing like the one you changed to. The latest change of the original user did in fact include disputed borders for not only Kosovo but also Abkhazia and South Ossetia on all of the maps mentioned by me. The original maps were not detsroyed as you said, that is how they were uploaded by the original user, Either way of you are talking about disputed regions, you left Kosovo, but removed Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Not neutral at all. --Gyumrilak (talk) 20:27, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
I also want to add that the original user updated the map to include disputed regions a week after he uploaded it to the website. So, all those maps have been including disputed regions for basically all of its existence except for the first week. I hope you also do notice that the file looked absolutely nothing than it does now in the first week, so I don't see how your version supports com:overwrite at all. The maps have been uploaded in 2009 and after a week of its upload date have been updated to include disputed regions meaning that they have included them for now more than 7 years, basically all of their existance on the website. --Gyumrilak (talk) 20:38, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Origianl uploaders OVERWRITE is still OVERWRITE it is about policy not about persons.--g. balaxaZe 09:41, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
Also, I just searched it up and a version of File:Blank map of Europe.svg without disputed regions already exists as File:Blank map of Europe 2.svg, so for that reason I will revert the original file back to its most used form with the disputed regions. --Gyumrilak (talk) 03:03, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

I strongly doubt that com:overwrite means that files can never be changed. Especially when that change occurred by the original user less than a week after they uploaded the original file. Those maps have existed on Wikipedia articles with disputed regions for basically all of their existence except for the first 6 days. Plus look at the original file, it looks nothing like what you changed it to. If you're talking about overwriting all of those files would it not mean to change the stylistic background to how it was for the first 6 days as well? That would be redundant, as is what you are doing by removing disputed ares as again, they have been there since 2009, a week after their upload, basically all of the file's existence. User:Magog the Ogre, please comment on this issue. I doubt that the point of com:overwrite is to restore versions of files that have been changed by the original user less than a week of their upload and later existed on the website in that form for more than 7 years. Also, you left disputed borders for Kosovo on every single one of those European maps while removing Abkhazia and South Ossetia, which is why again I am pointing out that this is coming out of your personal opinion. As for the Blank map of Europe question, why would you choose to delete it? When you changed the original map by deleting the disputed regions you suggested to upload a new one with them included. In reality, a map that did not include disputed regions already existed, so there were both versions available. What you suggested would end with the same result.--Gyumrilak (talk) 16:55, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

I left Kosovo on EU maps (but dashed) because thought that it might be taken as change of international border(1) (like South Sudan) and because EU as an institution recognizes it(2) and also because of it is recognized by majority of the UN countries(3) and it is a member of International Monetary Fund (IMF), World Bank, International Road and Transport Union (IRU), Regional Cooperation Council, Council of Europe Development Bank, Venice Commission and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development. Also Kosovo has gained full membership in many major sports federations and is a potential candidate for future enlargement of the European Union(4) (take all of this in complex as answer to my decision making not separately, only after collecting this complex information I decided to left it dashed) and also I got tired repeating that there was removed all conflict regions not only Abkhazia and SO but North Cyprus, Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh and Golan Heights! From the very beginning you have no gram of good faith toward me as user and trying to blame me and make provocations and intrigues. Could you explain why you appeared only after my reverts of the sock-puppets "edits" and 7 days after from the change in Europe Religion map? also I see that you are quite aware in navigation in Commons and doing no other single edit only fighting to me. --g. balaxaZe 22:05, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
The fact that Kosovo does have the widest recognition does not change the fact that it is in fact a disputed territory just like any other unrecognised regions. However, Kosovo's status is not the issue here. You said that your goal in changing the maps was for com:overwrite. The original uploaded file, which you cite as overwriting, that continued to exist in that similar form for about 6 days did not include any disputed regions, including Kosovo. You are now picking and choosing what you put in as the information to overwrite and what you do not. That is exactly what I meant when I said that you are inconsistent with your claim for doing this for com:overwrite. For me, it is so clear that the best option would be to leave the version of the file that has been used for more than 7 years and basically all of the file's history and keep the disputed regions in place as the original uploader did. I already said that I am new to this website and I did not know about specific policies, which is why I did not know any of the terms such as good faith, com:overwrite, sock puppet etc., but from your comments and also comments left by Magog the Ogre I did read those policies and now know what they are about. It is very hard to keep assuming good faith, as User:Magog the Ogre advised me to do, after the fact that no matter what comments I leave or points I bring up, as well as have approval for some of my points from Magog the Ogre, you keep retaining your position no matter what. It is very difficult not to get frustrated because it seems so obvious to me that this is in fact coming from your own personal biased opinion, which you do share with a box on your main user page. I already explained to you that I started editing as soon as I saw the change you made to File:Europe religion map en.png. I did not count how many days that was, I reacted as soon as I saw it, sorry for not noticing it earlier, I wish I did. That was the whole reason I created an account, because you removed all of the Armenian majority parts of Georgia and I saw the need to change that. After that is when I looked at your contributions and saw all those maps of Europe that you changed as well. I do not yet know how to even edit files myself, because I just made an account, so I don't understand what other edits you expect for me to make. Maybe in the future, when I become more experienced, I will make more edits, but for now this issue is really bothering me because I do not believe that this is coming from good faith, I do think it is coming from your personal opinion that you want to impose on those maps. I do not know if that is actually okay to say on this website, but I am honestly convinced that that is the case. Sorry User:Magog the Ogre if this is going back on one of your points that you left for me, but Giorgi does not seem to be willing to change his position in any way no matter what I say. I did allow the possibility of my misknowledge of the policies to be the reason for this issue, but I did read all of the policies that were brought up and I do not think that Giorgi's actions are supporting those policies. User:Magog the Ogre, since the debate has not really shifted into any direction for solution, would you please help us settle this issue? --Gyumrilak (talk) 07:37, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
I will be short - I've explained why I decided to leave Kosovo (it is really very different from the other disputed regions and you see it by yourself) if someone is protesting this I'm likely to remove it as well than to hardly violate the policy.--g. balaxaZe 13:08, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
@Giorgi Balakhadze, Gyumrilak: In mediation, neither of you is going to be able to get everything you want. Does that suck? Yes. Is it often unfair? Probably. But this is just a part of life. It is much better to compromise than for me to just hand out a prouncement, because I know less about the conflicts than you. So, I expect that both of you will make an effort to negotiate.
Giorgi: so far, I have not seen a particularly negotiable attitude. You will need to realize you cannot have everything either. You might have a reason for each edit you made, but that doesn't mean we have to keep it.
Gyumrilak: this will also involve some compromise from you. You might see some borders you don't like.
So I say to both you: would you be willing to mediate over this? If so, would you prefer to keep this between just us two, or to bring in other community members? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:30, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
I think it would be useful to bring other community members into this discussion. It will help bring a more neutral solution. --Gyumrilak (talk) 01:36, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
I don't understand, so he wants compromise to violate the policy? I know compromise when rules do not exist and there is only battle of arguments but here on my side is Commons policy, if he wants to overwrite every map with disputed regions first he should try to change the policy (If Kosovo is the case then I'll do compromise and will remove it{!})--g. balaxaZe 16:48, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Issue is not in compromises but in his attitude toward me, from the beginning he tries to make intrigues and to depict my edits as biased and etc.--g. balaxaZe 16:53, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
@Giorgi Balakhadze: plainly, you are showing signs of the megalomaniacal point of view: the idea that your edits are neutral and anyone who disagrees has a vendetta against you. But not everyone agrees that your edits are completely neutral and according to policy. And our discussion is here to decide exactly what the policy is, and apply it neutrally. If necessary, and only if neecessary, we might amend policy.
As for attitude against you, please leave behind all such personal arguments. From my extensive experience of disputes on English Wikipedia, I invariably have found that discussions are harmful. Let's talk about content and not the intentions of the other person. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:56, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
I will follow up on this in the next few days. Also, just to be clear, I wasn't calling Giorgi a megalomaniac. I was just pointing to an essay we have which discusses things in a tongue-in-cheek context of megalomania. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 04:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
@Gyumrilak, Giorgi Balakhadze: so are you willing to discuss this? If so, please start up a discussion with each other. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:31, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

What does....

that means, the file 2e bataillon du 45e rég inf 1793.png is without an license ? It's my own work and the license is given! -- Centenier (talk) 07:24, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

forget it - was an error by myself - licence tag is now present -- Centenier (talk) 07:54, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Copyright Violations

Sorry for my violations, all three of them have been me thinking they were OK, ill stick to public domain for the time being. Iazyges (talk) 00:34, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

@Iazyges: OK. If you have any questions about what is acceptable, feel free to ask here or at COM:HD (for a more prompt response). Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 02:15, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

File:BA-R.A. Baluarte de la Trinidad. 09.jpg

Hola amigo: ¿Qué problemas hay con esta imagen?. Pone bien claro que es "trabajo propio" y, además se trata de una muralla que tiene cuatro siglos de antigüedad. Debe ser un error. Por favor, te ruego que quites la plantilla ya que creo que no procede. Saludos cordiales. Adolfobrigido (talk) 12:34, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Solucionado. Gracias. Adolfobrigido (talk) 12:39, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Newton Faulkner

Hola, Magog. Por favor, traslada esta imagen a Commons, que está alojada en Wikipedia en inglés. Gracias de antemano, C. Jonel [talk] 19:28, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

✓ Hecho Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 04:37, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


You are removing like retard everything mainly images which copyright owner even dont care about any copyrights because they dont even know copyright laws etc. Commons policy should change and be restricted only for registered logos.--ThecentreCZ (talk) 14:25, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

@ThecentreCZ: Commons policy comes directly from the Wikimedia Foundation. It is unlikely to change, but I suppose you could bring it up at COM:VPP. You might have more luck trying to allow fair use at Czech Wikipedia. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 04:03, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Unneeded bot clean-up

Hi. An edit such as this is problematic for djvu and pdf files used at Wikisources. The use of the magic word is done specifically to align internal references to images and files, and xwiki work in case there is a need for a move of files (and then that no further editing is required, and it is idiot proof). Can you please stop this type of image edit. I am not even aware of any problem that requires the bot to make the edits (though I am yet to check the bot requests rationale).  — billinghurst sDrewth 02:52, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

I just gave Commons:Bots/Requests/OgreBot 3 a quick scan, and could not see why {{PAGENAME}} was replaced according to your described actions.  — billinghurst sDrewth 03:06, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
@Billinghurst: I have removed this functionality. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:14, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Cute grey kitten.jpg


ABD EL ADIM EL GOURYANI (talk) 15:16, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Notification about possible deletion

{{Autotranslate|1=|2=Files in Category:Logos of universities and colleges in Azerbaijan|3=plural|base=Idw}}


Yours sincerely, Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 04:25, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Why you want to delete this logo (File:ADNSU-logo.png). It is official logo that used for Azerbaijan State Oil and Industrial University --Fortius-94 (talk) 05:33, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
@Fortius-94: please see the rationale under discussion link provided on your talk page. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 14:04, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Escudos de clubes de fútbol

Hola Magog the Ogre. Teniendo en cuenta esto: {{PD-textlogo}} No podrias restaurar los siguientes escudos? File:Escudo CaacupeFC.png es solo texto, circulos y hexágonos. File:Escudo Club Cristobal Colon.jpg Es solo letras, franjas y una estrella.

Teniendo en cuenta que este escudo LigaEncarnacenaEscudo.jpg y otros ya fueron restauradas, porque quedó claro que consiste solo en formas geométricas simples y texto. Saludos!. Robslpy (talk) 13:03, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

@Robslpy: El primero, no. Todavía me parece demasiado complejo por la umbral de originalidad (las sombras, las cuestas). Si quieres apelar, puedes pedir aquí: COM:UNDEL. El segundo, sí, es principalmente texto y formas simples. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 15:54, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
OK, voy a ver lo de la apelación. Y este escudo File:UFI.png, cuya fuente FutParaguay expresa "Este documento pertenece al Archivo FUTPARAGUAY, y su copia total o parcial es autorizada a toda organización o persona que brinde a sus autores un reconocimiento adecuado" puede ser restaurado teniendo en cuenta eso? Muchas gracias, saludos! Robslpy (talk) 16:13, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
@Robslpy: Tal vez. Necesitaré investigar. ¿De dónde viene el logo en ese sitio? No lo veo en el enlace que proveíste: Tampoco es aquí: Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 18:16, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
De aquí Escudos. Saludos! Robslpy (talk) 18:49, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
@Robslpy: pedí el aporte de la comunidad aquí: COM:VPC#Coat of arms from wiki. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 03:24, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
OK. Gracias. Robslpy (talk) 12:52, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
Hola, estos archivos 20px, 20px no pueden ser restaurados en base a {{PD-textlogo}}. Y quisiera también que me expliques por favor, ¿Cómo? este archivo 20px que no es solo texto, por la palmera y las olas o este 20px que tiene un diseño mucho más complejo, no son borradas?. Desde ya gracias y saludos! Robslpy (talk) 19:23, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
@Robslpy: porque nos faltan los recursos para encontrar cada violación de copyright. Hay menos personas que vigilan las subidas y hay más provocadores en la edad del smartphone. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 23:53, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Perfecto, gracias por la respuesta! Y los dos escudos que mencioné File:Escudo Club Deportivo Caaguazú.png, File:ParanaenseFC.png no cumplen lo de solo texto y formas simples? Saludos! Robslpy (talk) 00:05, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
@Robslpy: restauraré el primero para comenzar una discusión. El segundo, ciertamente no: puedes ver una versión semejante aquí. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:53, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Magnífico, gracias!. Cambié la licencia de 20px como están los demás. Pensé que el escudo de File:ParanaenseFC.png era el que no tenía la corona. Si es solo la parte del escudo cumple con lo {{PD-textlogo}} no? Saludos. Robslpy (talk) 11:48, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
@Robslpy: Sobre el primero: ¿puedes participar en la discusión que comencé? Sobre el segundo: creo que la parte sin las coronas es PD-textlogo en la mayoría de los países. Pero todavía no sabemos los límites exactos del umbral de originalidad en Paraguay, como los sabemos en otros países. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 04:45, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
OK, podrías compartir conmigo un caso de umbral de originalidad de otro país, así veo para buscar que aplica en Paraguay? Gracias, saludos. Robslpy (talk) 18:09, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

@Robslpy: El ensayo en inglés y en espaňol. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 18:16, 10 December 2016 (UTC)